The Rich Are Preparing for Coronavirus Differently (nytimes.com) 208
The new coronavirus knows no national borders or social boundaries. That doesn't mean that social boundaries don't exist. An anonymous reader shares a report: "En route to Paris," Gwyneth Paltrow wrote on Instagram last week, beneath a shot of herself on an airplane heading to Paris Fashion Week and wearing a black face mask. "I've already been in this movie," she added, referring to her role in the 2011 disease thriller "Contagion." "Stay safe." [...] Business executives are ditching first class for private planes. Jet-setters are redirecting their travel plans to more insular destinations. And wealthy clients are consulting with concierge doctors and other V.I.P. health care services. Why spend $3.79 on a bottle of hand sanitizer from Target when Byredo, a European luxury brand, makes one with floral notes of pear and bergamot for $35 (although that, too, is sold out)?
[...] At a time when every stray cough from three rows back sounds like a ghostly greeting from Typhoid Mary, those who can afford it are paying extra to sidestep crowded security lines and jampacked planes and flying private -- which might be an attractive option for those who wish to flee the teeming cities for, say, a safe house in Telluride, Colo. Some wealthy people say they have been staying in their Hamptons homes and are prepared to jet off to cabins in Idaho if things get worse. And The Guardian reported that executives have chartered jets for "evacuation flights" out of China and other affected areas. For some private jet companies, fear equals opportunity. Southern Jet, a charter jet company in Boca Raton, Fla., recently sent out a limited test marketing email with the tag line: "Avoid coronavirus by flying private ... Request a quote today!"
[...] In certain pockets of Silicon Valley, where tech-elite survivalists drool over abandoned missile silos that were converted into luxury bunkers, coronavirus is precisely the doomsday scenario they've been preparing for. Marvin Liao, a partner at the venture capital firm 500 Startups, has been stocking up on canned food, water, hand sanitizer and toilet paper in anticipation of an outbreak, and has lately been scoping out a high-end air purifier called Molekule Air, which costs $799. "I don't know if you're ever ready for this," Mr. Liao said of coronavirus. "But I think that you're probably better prepared than a lot of people, because at least you've thought about it and at least you've stocked up. Worse comes to worse you'll have a lot more cushion than a lot more people out there."
[...] At a time when every stray cough from three rows back sounds like a ghostly greeting from Typhoid Mary, those who can afford it are paying extra to sidestep crowded security lines and jampacked planes and flying private -- which might be an attractive option for those who wish to flee the teeming cities for, say, a safe house in Telluride, Colo. Some wealthy people say they have been staying in their Hamptons homes and are prepared to jet off to cabins in Idaho if things get worse. And The Guardian reported that executives have chartered jets for "evacuation flights" out of China and other affected areas. For some private jet companies, fear equals opportunity. Southern Jet, a charter jet company in Boca Raton, Fla., recently sent out a limited test marketing email with the tag line: "Avoid coronavirus by flying private ... Request a quote today!"
[...] In certain pockets of Silicon Valley, where tech-elite survivalists drool over abandoned missile silos that were converted into luxury bunkers, coronavirus is precisely the doomsday scenario they've been preparing for. Marvin Liao, a partner at the venture capital firm 500 Startups, has been stocking up on canned food, water, hand sanitizer and toilet paper in anticipation of an outbreak, and has lately been scoping out a high-end air purifier called Molekule Air, which costs $799. "I don't know if you're ever ready for this," Mr. Liao said of coronavirus. "But I think that you're probably better prepared than a lot of people, because at least you've thought about it and at least you've stocked up. Worse comes to worse you'll have a lot more cushion than a lot more people out there."
Sweet! (Score:5, Funny)
Now I know where to go to find some resources in the apocalypse. Just look for that house behind the big gate.
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Now I know where to go to find some resources in the apocalypse. Just look for that house behind the big gate.
They will be so glad to see you. No one has had clean laundry or fresh squeezed juice since all the help died. Now suit up and get to work!
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I mean, that works. Pretend to work for them, then rob them blind. I guess it's better than just shooting them.
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That's what I want them to think. They've become fat and lazy behind their walls, living in comfort. Easy prey really.
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You underestimate me, good
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Or that's what I want you to think.
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My pleasure. I'll cook for you.
I'm just horrible with numbers, you see, I tend to confuse e621 and e605 all the time...
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"Release the hounds"
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Nothing a little peanut butter won't fix
You won't get anywhere near them (Score:2)
So how about a nice ocean cruise? (Score:2)
Now I know where to go to find some resources in the apocalypse. Just look for that house behind the big gate.
Maybe you could join them on their cruise ship?
Oh, wait.
Actually, what I was looking for was some mention of the cruise ships. Not for the ultra-rich, but certainly not for poor folks. Now I see the story is not about "the rich" after all, but more like the richest top 0.1%.
Still I want to say my piece:
Please get everyone off the Grand Princess cruise ship ASAP. A cruise ship is NOT to be confused with a hospital ship and it is NOT suitable for quarantining people, rich or poor. And can you imagine the crew
Re:Sweet! (Score:4, Interesting)
It sounds so sensible when you say that.
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Would that include Bernie?
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Any Joe Schmoe with a college degree can save several million by the time they retire, if they don't overspend. Mere millionaires are barely upper middle class nowadays. The actual rich don't see any difference between a millionaire and a broke-ass poor person, because to a billionaire, there isn't any difference.
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Any Joe Schmoe with a college degree can save several million by the time they retire, if they don't overspend. Mere millionaires are barely upper middle class nowadays
Spot on. I (as an almost-40 year old) will need to have $2M, preferably closer to $3M, saved up by retirement. The "million dollar goal" doesn't apply to my generation, it's not enough to live 20-25 years on.
Re:Sweet! (Score:5, Insightful)
While I don't disagree with your numbers and expectations (I'm of a similar age and have similar goals), I think it's worth noting that if you have 2 million saved up at retirement retirement, assume zero growth, assume nothing from social security (and of course there WILL be interest growth and there WILL be social security payments) that still gives you 100k per year over 20 years. Given how much higher that is than national average salaries, I think it's fair to say that the average person could retire at age 65 with 2 million saved up and live VERY comfortably for the rest of their life.
There''s obviously a ton of wiggle room here (sell the house? paying college tuition? health bills? etc.).
It is a bit sad--one of my grandfathers was a factory worker (with a pension) and my other grandfather was a university professor (with a pension). Both had higher incomes in retirement than they ever had while working.
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Except 20 years later that $100K is just $65K if you assume the last 20 years' worth of CPI goes forward. And that's the best case, one where you give no credence whatsoever to any of the myriad arguments about how CPI underestimates the inflation consumers actually feel. Moreover, if you're one of the >1/3 of women turning 65 today that will live to at least 90, or >1/4 of the men, your 2M becomes $80K per year and just $45K in CPI-adjusted terms by
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Well, if you're retired debt free, and own your own home....that's still quite good enough to live on with retirement.
And, you're gonna get SS too you know...at least till the fund runs out.
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Except 20 years later that $100K is just $65K if you assume the last 20 years' worth of CPI goes forward.
Only if you stuff your cash under a mattress.
You can invest in TIPS Treasury bonds that are inflation-protected. The yield is low because TIPS are risk-free, but at least you'll keep up with inflation. You will likely do even better with a mix of corporate bonds and equities.
If you own your house, its value will likely increase along with inflation.
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My $500,000 yacht is going to take up a sizable chunk of that $2m, and that doesn't even take into account the hookers/blow budget. (I haven't run this plan past the wife yet, therefore subject to change.)
In all seriousness though, your numbers/assumptions are 100% accurate. And looking at what I make now, $100,000 in retirement looks pretty damn good. But $100k in today's money is only about $54k in 2045 money. Which is still around the projected median income, but I don't have "median" retirement goal
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Any Joe Schmoe with a college degree can save several million by the time they retire, if they don't overspend. Mere millionaires are barely upper middle class nowadays
Spot on. I (as an almost-40 year old) will need to have $2M, preferably closer to $3M, saved up by retirement. The "million dollar goal" doesn't apply to my generation, it's not enough to live 20-25 years on.
I'll second that. But a lot of people do not have good impulse control. The amounts they spend on inconsequential stuff is staggering, and their temptations to use credit and pay that easy minimum payment is just too tempting for many.
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Absurd (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Absurd (Score:5, Insightful)
Clickbait.
The media does this with every event.
Like a school shooting. Hype everyone up. Everybody gives their kids bullet proof backpacks but still rides around without seatbelts.
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If it's a headline that's calling attention to some "unfair" difference between the rich and poor on today's internet, then it's Marxist class warfare clickbait nonsense, and we're better off without it. Or at least Slashdot is. The stories about command line options and robot lawyers belong here, the politics is what drove away 99% of the Slashdot audience.
Re:Absurd (Score:5, Funny)
Either Earth is going to become a hellscape that you're not going to want to live in, or you stay home for a few weeks and eat what's in your cupboard.
Dude, I'm not too sure I can see the difference between "a hellscape that you're not going to want to live in" vs. "stay home for a few weeks and eat what's in your cupboard". Both sound like I ran out of beer long ago.
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Not for long!
PSA (Score:2)
Or imbibe pure-grain alcohol if you're particularly concerned about preserving your purity of essence.
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Every beer is pasteurized ... that is how you make beer, facepalm.
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lol, it's like they don't even know why everybody in Europe used to drink beer, at least until they started boiling water for coffee or tea in the early 1700's
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Thanks for the reminder, I'm off to get about 10 cases.. and going with my favorite, a British/Irish amber ale, they're almost as good warm as they are cool.
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In fairness, if I had poor lung health and was over 50 I'd be wiggy about it. Barring that however there's little reason to panic.
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I am over 50 and lost my spleen in an accident when a child
I have accepted an early death, but hopefully not this year
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Especially over a 2% mortality rate.
Yet there's always someone at the roulette wheel at those odds.
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If Gwyneth Paltrow does something, clearly we all should pay attention.
If only I could figure out how to use this yoni egg.
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Speaking of absurdity - nothing like jetsetting off to Paris make a statement about your complete lack of commitment to climate change. First link from google because I don't really care to do more research:
https://variety.com/2015/scene... [variety.com]
Davis earned the EMA Wildlife Conservation Award for her work with elephants in Kenya, an animal that’s on the verge of becoming extinct. Paltrow was presented the EMA Green Parent Award by her mom and “radical environmentalist” mother Danner.
“I r
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Either Earth is going to become a hellscape that you're not going to want to live in, or you stay home for a few weeks and eat what's in your cupboard. Either way, it's nuts that people are panicking like this. I'm not making any extra plans because of this new virus.
I *am* making extra plans, so that I can actually be fed and comfortable if I stay home for a few weeks. Fortunately that really just means gradually buying extra non-perishable food and other essentials (TP, cat food/litter) every time I shop until I have a decent stockpile, and keeping the cars topped up.
The most unpleasant bit of preparation is actually going to be the discussion with my girlfriend (who's a nurse, and will be directly in the line of fire if things get bad) about whether we should avoid c
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The most unpleasant bit of preparation is actually going to be the discussion with my girlfriend (who's a nurse, and will be directly in the line of fire if things get bad) about whether we should avoid contact during that time.
Obligatory Futurama:
"So you have to choose between a life without sex or a gruesome death? Tough call."
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I'm not making any extra plans because of this new virus.
Neither am I making plans though I probably be drinking a little more water, I read drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your oesophagus and into the stomach. Your stomach acid will kill all the virus. Another was Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check every morning: Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stuffiness or tightness, etc, it proves there is no fibrosis in the lungs, basi
Stuff that matters (Score:5, Interesting)
This is the kind of crap I'd expect on some kind of Gawker rag. Has the Times really sunk this low as well? I mean I'm hardly surprised that msmash would post it to Slashdot.
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The NYTimes has been this way for the better part of a decade. Maybe longer honestly, everything is an editorial from some hipster looking to stir shit up. Sad.
What do you want, actual Journalism? (Score:2)
Seriously, does anyone think a story like Watergate could get broke today? Hell, that Flint, MI stuff didn't go anywhere. A little bitty YouTube Channel Called Status Coup has done most of the reporting on it.
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that would require them to run stories that might upset the kind of folks that sign their checks.
Seriously, does anyone think a story like Watergate could get broke today? Hell, that Flint, MI stuff didn't go anywhere. A little bitty YouTube Channel Called Status Coup has done most of the reporting on it.
Sad thing is stories far far worse than Watergate get reported today and ignored by the press because it hurts "their guy"
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Can we flag an article as flamebait? This seems like a new low for Slashdot. I come here to avoid exactly this kind of "journalism".
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Remind me how much you pay to be entertained by interacting with your fellow readers of this amusing article?
not news (Score:5, Insightful)
dumb. not news. not for nerds. rich do everything a bit different. You would too if rich. dumb.
Re:not news (Score:5, Insightful)
Also - Gwyneth Paltrow = terrible person, but this is not news either
Re:not news (Score:5, Informative)
Also - Gwyneth Paltrow = terrible person, but this is not news either
I wont go so far as to say terrible person. Maybe she is. I just think she'd umber than a bag of hammers with enough money behind her to make sure she never faces the consequences of that stupidity.
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I wont go so far as to say terrible person. Maybe she is. I just think she'd umber than a bag of hammers
OK, just what shade of umber is a bag of hammers?
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She literally wrote a guide on how to properly give her anal sex. She can't be all bad.
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You look down on people because of your own obvious character and personality deficiencies. You're not even good at rationalizing it.
A fool and his money (Score:2, Funny)
Re:A fool and his money (Score:4, Interesting)
differently=actually (Score:2)
Good luck (Score:5, Insightful)
Viruses do not descriminate between people of differing socioeconomic status. Rich people get sick and die just like the rest of us.
Re:Good luck (Score:4, Insightful)
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...and never from things that are preventable/treatable.
Except for Steve Jobs.
Re:Good luck (Score:5, Informative)
...and never from things that are preventable/treatable.
Except for Steve Jobs.
Steve was fucking retarded. He refused all treatments that would have saved his life in favor of his wifes dumbass natural remedies. He would be alive today.
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I wouldn't blame his wife, necessarily. Jobs was always a bit of a crazy person--he was an on and off again fruitarian for instance.
No guarantee he would have lived if he had taken the medically advised treatments.
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No guarantee he would have lived if he had taken the medically advised treatments.
But there was a guarantee that he would die without the medically advised treatments.
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Yup, I agree. I wish he had gotten the treatment he needed and had pulled through. Love him or hate him, Apple (and probably the world as a whole) was more interesting with him in it.
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No, he would not be alive. ... any other treatment had given him a year or two ...
He had pancreas cancer
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Cancer is not a viral disease.
Except when it is. HPV comes to mind.
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Most cancers are, idiot!
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Oh no. No, no, no, no, no. The rich do get sick and die, but not like the rest of us.
Increasing Disparities in Mortality by Socioeconomic Status [annualreviews.org]
Mortality and socioeconomic status: the vicious cycle between poverty and ill health [thelancet.com]
Socioeconomic Status Predicts Mortality More Strongly Than Some Globally Recognized Risk Factors [jwatch.org]
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There's a (almost certainly apocryphal) story that the pope at the time of the black death spent a year living between two roaring bonfires to keep the plague away. Try that at the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum!
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It's the poor/middle class people who get exposed to the virus first though. You don't see rich people on a crowded bus or subway or in the line at the grocery store. They don't talk to hundreds of customers face-to-face every day like service workers. Their default state is quarantine.
But on the other hand.. (Score:2)
Some of those, or even many of those like to do quite horrifying things with kids, and kids are fucking great corona virus spreaders, as they don't actually catch it but spread it like a plague.
Floral notes - no thanks (Score:3)
If I'm using a hand sanitizer and I smell anything except the heady sent of alcohol burning alive all viral matter before it, I have to assume it is doing nothing.
So this is news? (Score:2)
"Rich people have more options to deal with crises than poor people"
How is that possibly news to anyone?
Finally! (Score:2)
The millions paid for the stupid yacht are good for something.
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Most cruisers are NOT sailing around on million dollar yachts. Their boats are in the $100K to $400K class, monohull or catamaran. They "keep the lights on" by using solar panels which charge batteries. Some of the cats have up to 5KW of solar panels and can run AC during the day while charging the batteries.
The smarter cruisers also fund their journeys using patreon accounts attached to YouTube channels.
An Australian couple, who now have a one year old "stowaway" boy with them, have over 3,500 pat
So the rich are preparing like everyone else (Score:2)
The rich avoid crowds, seek medical advise, wash their hands, change their travel plans, etc... How is it different from everyone else?
It is the luxury version of everything but there is no fundamental difference. It is like saying that the rich don't make phone calls like everyone else because they are using a diamond covered iPhone and they are doing it from their yachts. It may be a luxury phone call but it is still a phone call.
I'm having my servants neutered (Score:2)
Irony, thy name is Gwyneth (Score:3)
Gwyneth Paltrow wrote on Instagram last week, beneath a shot of herself on an airplane heading to Paris Fashion Week and wearing a black face mask. "I've already been in this movie," she added, referring to her role in the 2011 disease thriller "Contagion." "Stay safe."
[*spoilers*]
Ironically, it was her character who unknowingly contracted the disease in China and then flew back to the U.S., infecting people on the plane and back home, and was one of the first to die.
More class warfare garbage from the NYT (Score:3)
Shocking, I tell you!
I guess they're just giving their subscribers what they want to read. The ultimate irony is that NYT and WaPo are becoming a mirror image of that certain right-leaning news network they hate more than anything else. Outrage sells.
Paltrow = 3 we = 2 (Score:2)
I've been in this movie before as well, and so have you, twice. Paltrow's movie doesn't count because it was make believe, even if she died within 15 minutes after the movie started.
Remember what all the doomsayers claimed would happen when the millennium approached? They were worried about the clocks not being able to switch from 1999 to 2000 and thought all the computer programs were going to crash, dropping planes out of the sky, sending trains into terminals at high speed, etc... Millions were supp
This is getting ridiculous (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, you should be prudent and take reasonable steps to minimize your chances of contracting COVID-19. If you catch it, you'll certainly feel like crap for a week or two - and, even at best, you'll dramatically inconvenience all the people who've been in contact with you for the previous few weeks. But odds are, you're not going to die - even if you're older or have an underlying health condition.
This isn't ebola, folks. WHO currently estimates the overall mortality rate to be a bit above 3%. Yeah, that's bad... but the vast, vast majority of people don't die from it.
Re:This is getting ridiculous (Score:4, Insightful)
IMHO the biggest danger here is not the mortality rate but the contagion rate and how much of the population it can affect. I think what most of us should be scared about is the potential disruption of all the various supply chains. Food, fuel, energy, transports, communications, etc.
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This. And not just industry - healthcare too. Those ICUs can fill up and then there's not enough resources to care for all the seriously sick. Mortality rate goes up then.
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The hospitalization rate might be more meaningful to most people. It seems like about 10-30% of infected people are clinically diagnosed with the remainder showing no or minor symptoms. About 20-50% of the clinically diagnosed people seem to require hospitalization.
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It's better and worse than you say.
If you are under 50, your odds of recovery are quite good, at 0.4% mortality, but when it comes to death, 1-in-250 is a risk I try to mitigate. Over 70 and you are talking about a 14.8% death-rate. Is anybody you care about over 70? Check out that stats here here [worldometers.info].
My parents are right around 70 and have just begun social distancing. I completely support that.
Getting fit may be your best defense... (Score:3)
According to this article [statnews.com] cardiovascular disease makes you more susceptible to die from Coronavirus than anything else...
Co-morbidities also raise the risk of dying from Covid-19. China CDC’s analysis of 44,672 patients found that the fatality rate in patients who reported no other health conditions was 0.9%. It was 10.5% for those with cardiovascular disease, 7.3% for those with diabetes, 6.3% for people with chronic respiratory diseases such as COPD, 6.0% for people with hypertension, and 5.6% for those with cancer.
Not sure how long it would take for a vaccine to be available (many months, a year?), but it seems the best defense right now is to improve your cardiovascular health. Take a brisk walk 30 minutes each day, 5 days a week will put you at a lower risk from cardiovascular disease [cdc.gov] and possibly Coronavirus as well.
FWIW being young helps a lot too, and there's likely a correlation there between age and cardiovascular health as well...
Only 8.1% of cases were 20-somethings, 1.2% were teens, and 0.9% were 9 or younger. The World Health Organization mission to China found that 78% of the cases reported as of Feb. 20 were in people ages 30 to 69.
Re:Good luck (Score:4, Insightful)
That saying always reminds me of this gag:
There was a guy who had worked hard for his entire life to become exeedingly wealthy and decided at one point that he should be able to "take it with him", when he died. What he decided to do is design a special suit that he would ultimately be buried in which had numerous deep pockets. He made arrangements that upon his death, his estate should be sold and converted into gold, and the gold bars placed in the pockets of the suit so that he would be buried with his wealth. This was his plan to take it with him when he died.
Eventually, the day came when he passed away and pursuant to his wishes the special suit was made, his estate converted to gold bars and the bars placed in his suit that he would be buried in.
He then finds that he's materialized at the entrance to heaven, with St. Peter standing there beside the gates. He's delighted to discover that he's made it here, but he looks down to see what he is wearing.
It turns out that he's wearing the special suit that he wanted to be buried in. He reaches into one of his pockets and pulls out a bar of gold. He proudly holds the bar in front of Peter's face and says "I figured out how to beat the system! I took it with me! What do you have to say about that?"
Peter looks rather blankly at the man for a moment, then he turns to someone standing just inside the gates and says, "Let the G-man know that we're going to need a psychiatrist assigned to this one for a while, he seems excited about having pavement in his pockets."
Re:Byredo for $35, or... (Score:5, Interesting)
Purell for $96 [amazon.com]
Or make some yourself. (from quick Google search):
The CDC recommends hand sanitizer be at least 60% alcohol.
Re:Byredo for $35, or... (Score:5, Informative)
When I was in grad school and running microbiological assays the standard paradigm for using denatured Ethyl Alcohol was that a 70% strength was best.
"A 70% solution of alcohol takes more time in evaporation from the surface, increasing the contact time. Therefore, 70% isopropyl alcohol fulfills the both requirements. The 100% isopropyl alcohol coagulates the proteins instantly by creating a protein layer that protects the other proteins from further coagulation."
"Isopropyl alcohol, often called IPA or isopropanol, is similar in function and structure to ethanol. It evaporates at a similar rate and destroys bacterial and viral cells by the same mechanism. However, it is not as effective at dehydrating living tissue and so is a better solution for disinfecting skin than ethanol. Isopropyl alcohol is often used as an antiseptic for this reason."
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When I was in grad school and running microbiological assays the standard paradigm for using denatured Ethyl Alcohol was that a 70% strength was best. ...
Thanks! I saw an article, during a Google search, about why 70% alcohol was better than 100%, and your explanation pretty much sums it up. Don't know why the CDC recommends 60% in hand sanitizer, but that's what's being reported. Perhaps it's just the better option than using vodka, which is usually 40% (80 proof), or this is just the best ratio you can get off-the-shelf 91% isopropyl alcohol and still have a good aloe/alcohol mixture to apply.
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Or six parts rubbing alcohol to a 4 parts inactive ingredient. If you want hints of bergamot, it could be Earl Gray tea.
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Stay away from Ice Cream?
It is the apocalypse...
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The problem with most masks is that they're awkward and uncomfortable and increase the incidence of unconscious face touching. That's one of the reasons experts are not recommending them. That, and you need proper training to put them on and take them off.