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Airlines Are Coming for Your Carry-Ons 277

Carriers have gotten stricter about how many items you can take on board, no matter how small they are. From a report: Fanny packs. Cross-body bags. Shopping bags. Pillows and blankets. The Southwest Airlines gate agent rattled off so many items that counted toward the two carry-on bag limit on my flight to Baltimore, I thought it might be a playful jab at Spirit and Frontier and their rigid carry-on policing to collect more fees. But this was no joke. Southwest quietly began cracking down on carry-on bags on Feb. 22, ahead of the spring and summer travel rush, advising gate agents of the changes in a memo. This crackdown isn't about bag size. It is about how many bags you have.

Southwest isn't alone in putting passengers' personal items in its crosshairs as a way to save precious bin space and speed up boarding. Delta and United agents have also recently asked me to stuff my small Lululemon bag in my backpack. One American Airlines frequent flier told me he watched gate agents in Sacramento, Calif., and Dallas list a litany of items that count as a personal item on weekend flights to Nashville, Tenn., last month. Carting all your stuff to the gate can save you time and often saves money, especially with some airlines' new, higher checked-baggage fees. Delta joined the club on Tuesday, announcing prices of $35 for your first bag and $45 for your second. But testing airlines' carry-on limits is now more likely to backfire, and lose you precious time as airlines make you consolidate items or check a bag at the gate.
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Airlines Are Coming for Your Carry-Ons

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  • by nicolaiplum ( 169077 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:34AM (#64294262)

    Some people really have trouble counting. Two carry on items (one large, one small) is two, not three or four or five.

    Did they not watch enough Sesame Street? The Count would soon help them learn how to count successfully.

    Meanwhile, this has been entirely standard on European low cost airlines for quite some time.

    • by DarkOx ( 621550 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:41AM (#64294302) Journal

      yes but!

      Should some dude be able the throw on baggy cargo pants and load up his pockets; while someone else in an ordinary pair of jeans in denied a hip-pack?

      You can say the policy is the policy but its hardly good customer service when anyone can see it makes little sense.

      Honestly they should just start weighing everyone - and telling people if they are 'over' something the can generally resolve by checking some luggage, and have another little booth to walkthru, if you + your items don't fit, you are over volume.

      The what and how many don't matter.

      • by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:54AM (#64294386) Homepage Journal

        Should some dude be able the throw on baggy cargo pants and load up his pockets; while someone else in an ordinary pair of jeans in denied a hip-pack?

        Well, yes....since that is someone carrying stuff on his person per the rules.

        I mean, do they penalize someone that carries a fat wallet vs a money clip?

        Honestly they should just start weighing everyone - and telling people if they are 'over' something the can generally resolve by checking some luggage, and have another little booth to walkthru, if you + your items don't fit, you are over volume.

        I'd generally agree with you on this....BUT, geez, you'd get clobbered by social media, etc for "fat shaming".

        Hell, you already see behemoth fat women on TikTok actually getting sympathy from some, for not getting "fair treatment" because they charge them extra for 2 seats they can fit and, while complaining they can't hardly fit down the aisles.....

        But by weight would be the most fair, since that is what costs fuel.

      • by AleRunner ( 4556245 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:57AM (#64294404)

        You can say the policy is the policy but its hardly good customer service when anyone can see it makes little sense.

        Same thing if you have an ultralight large rucksack packed in your "fanny pack" (you have no idea how difficult I, as a Brit, find that to write).

        The idea is nothing to do with luggage and is about charging more for people who don't know the rules and less for the kind of people that would know when to switch to a different airline for a cheaper flight. Once you understand that it's price gouging against the under-informed it all makes total sense.

      • If the guy with cargo pants isn't blocking the boarding for 2 minutes trying to pack everything into the overhead bin then I don't care. Actually maybe everyone should be required to wear cargo pants and only bring a single item.

        • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

          Except it does not work that way. Dude isnt spending the next 3 hours with all that stuff crammed in his pants while he crams into a tiny airline seat.

          Nope he is going to stand up half way out of seat unloading his pockets into the seat back and under seat storage for 2 min while the rest of his row can't sit down, and they stand and block everyone else.

          • If you dont like the load and unload process just book the least utilized flight and have the row to myself at 6:45am or 7:25pm even on southwest, the airline for dummies. We are just getting closer to Ryan Air. where they really want you to be cordwood so they could stack you.
      • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:26PM (#64294748)

        Honestly they should just start weighing everyone - and telling people if they are 'over' something the can generally resolve by checking some luggage, and have another little booth to walkthru, if you + your items don't fit, you are over volume.

        ... and presto, the check-in process for each flight is an hour longer than it was previously. Congratulations, the airport is now 33% more crowded than before - with the same number of passengers and flights.

      • Honestly they should just start weighing everyone

        This has nothing to do about weight. It's about space on the plane. Ever since baggage started to not be included by default people have absolutely maximised their carry on allowance (and in many cases gone way over which this story seems to be about). Planes were never designed for every passenger to bring the maximum carry on allowance on.

        Honestly they should tie baggage all together. Allow 1 person to bring 1 item into the cabin, and allow people who did check bags to bring 2 items. The overhead bin was

        • It's not just about the cost. When heading to vacation last year I was denied boarding on a connection because even though I made it to the gate on time, my checked bag was not going to make it (my first flight was late), and they wouldn't let us fly without our bags. We ended up stuck in a wintery city instead of flying down to Mexico for 2 full days, losing 1/3 of our vacation time. So yeah, I'll pack everything I can into carry on now unless it's TRULY not an option.

          Not to mention that anyone who flie

      • by hawk ( 1151 )

        >can generally resolve by checking some luggage,

        thighs, extra chins, miscellaneous rolls of fat . . . :)

        hawk

    • From the description it sounds as if there is ambiguity in some cases as to what counts as a carry on item and what counts as "on your person."

      A fanny pack is one such grey area. It is worn on the person, so a traveller might consider it as being part of clothing or like having stuff in your pockets, but the airlines might disagree and consider it more like a bag / carry-on item.

      • by WCLPeter ( 202497 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:27PM (#64294756) Homepage

        A fanny pack is one such grey area. It is worn on the person, so a traveller might consider it as being part of clothing or like having stuff in your pockets, but the airlines might disagree and consider it more like a bag / carry-on item.

        This one is important to me because I'm a diabetic. When I'm local I typically only carry my insulin pen in my pocket and a Freestyle Libre 2 sensor on my phone, but when I travel I wear a small fanny pack containing my diabetic supplies because I can't just rush home in an emergency to get what I need. I could put it into one of my two carry ons but airlines tend to get snarky when you start rifling through your carry on during the flight, so if they count it as a carry on I'm kinda screwed.

        I can see the person with the monster fanny pack that might as well be a small backpack, but I'd be curious to know what their size limits are for things like this so I could better plan trips.

        • by torkus ( 1133985 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @03:26PM (#64295180)

          Medical equipment is exempt. Your diabetic kit, a CPAP, etc. do not count towards your items.

        • i believe if you show the gate agent that this is your diabetic kit, that they will wave you right onboard with no further issues.
        • by mjwx ( 966435 )

          A fanny pack is one such grey area. It is worn on the person, so a traveller might consider it as being part of clothing or like having stuff in your pockets, but the airlines might disagree and consider it more like a bag / carry-on item.

          This one is important to me because I'm a diabetic. When I'm local I typically only carry my insulin pen in my pocket and a Freestyle Libre 2 sensor on my phone, but when I travel I wear a small fanny pack containing my diabetic supplies because I can't just rush home in an emergency to get what I need. I could put it into one of my two carry ons but airlines tend to get snarky when you start rifling through your carry on during the flight, so if they count it as a carry on I'm kinda screwed.

          I can see the person with the monster fanny pack that might as well be a small backpack, but I'd be curious to know what their size limits are for things like this so I could better plan trips.

          5 such devices on a 180 pax A320/B737 isn't really an issue and as has been mentioned, medical devices are exempt.

          I also guarantee no-one is looking as your small soft case carrying a medical device or even a laptop bag carried by a suited man attached to his phone. What people are looking at are the gormless fuckwits wheeling two clearly oversized hardshell suitcases that are too large to be stored on their side in a standard overhead locker and take up half a full locker each. They're the problem, not

    • Per FAA rules, certain things don't count like a "reasonable quantity of food to consume on-board." Food isn't counted. It's measured. How much is reasonable?
    • by Liquid-Gecka ( 319494 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:56PM (#64294638)
      I have gotten glares because I carry three things onto the airplane with me. People assume that I am flaunting the system and special... *Except:* One of those items is an Americans With Disabilities Act qualified medical device that keeps me alive. In the US they can NOT be counted against my baggage requirements, they can not impact the other bags that I bring onto the plane. So no checking the other bag because of the ADA device. I have not had too many troubles with attendants. My last flight I counted five of the same device in the overheads as I walked past. Often these "bag hoarders" are not what you assume.
    • by TwistedGreen ( 80055 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:50PM (#64294858)

      Tell that to the people at the "10 items or less" checkout line...

    • what I have seen more often is one dude with two wheely bags and a laptop backpack ignoring everyone and just being allowed to board with what is clearly 3 items, none of which is as small as a crossbody bag or a fanny pack.
  • by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:37AM (#64294272) Homepage

    But what about people who weigh way more than all the stuff that I'm carrying times 100? Why are not airlines addressing this "minor" issue as more weight means more fuel? Or it's not about it? If it's not about weight then what?

    There are people who are overweight/obese due to medical issues (or even pregnancy), but the vast majority simply eat too much or eat junk food. Maybe extra body mass could be actually addressed first.

    • by cirby ( 2599 )

      The airlines have basically been informed, repeatedly, that they shouldn't even try, because they'd be infringing on people's rights.

      Don't try to be rational about it - there's too many people who have political effort in place.

    • by EvilSS ( 557649 )

      If it's not about weight then what?

      Jesus Christ it's right there in the summary: Southwest isn't alone in putting passengers' personal items in its crosshairs as a way to save precious bin space and speed up boarding.

    • It's about space, not weight.
    • There is limited baggage space in the passenger compartment. There are both weight and volume limits. If you want to bring a stuffed element the size of another passenger, even if it only weighs a kilogram or two, that's a no-go.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by CAIMLAS ( 41445 )

      Well, it's about money.

      They can't charge more for obese people, and in America, that means well over half the population. Average weight of an American has gone up significantly since the advent of commercial flight - not just due to us getting significantly taller, but because of obesity. This is even more true in the past 4 or so years: obesity has gone through the roof.

      (Ironically, it seems that those who fly tend to be less likely to be obese than the general public by a significant margin, but I've def

  • Fanny packs. LOL. Sir; you're allowed 2 fanny packs on Delta. Why do Americans allow these avarice fueled companies to get away with this horseshit?
    • If you think this is a uniquely American phenomenon, you have obviously not recently flown on a European budget airline. Even the "nice" airlines (BA, KLM) have stricter carry-on requirements than I've historically seen enforced by American airlines.
  • Class warfare (Score:3, Insightful)

    by null etc. ( 524767 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:38AM (#64294282)

    This is late-stage capitalism working as intended. Carry on.

  • by Pascoea ( 968200 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:38AM (#64294286)

    I'm not carrying water for the Airlines here, as it's their policies and fees have been pushing this behavior. But seriously, people? One carry on, one personal item. It's not like these are new rules.

    One of my last flights I watched a "lovely" old lady absolutely cursing out a gate agent because she had to consolidate her two carry-on bags into one. Watching the gate agent patiently explaining that her second full-size carry-on bag was not, in fact, a "personal item". I guess the point I'm trying to make: Flying already sucks. Bending the rules, and getting pissy when you get called out on it isn't going to make it any better.

    • As much as it pains me to say, I also agree. I was "screwed" last fall by an airline disabling online check-in and forcing everyone to go to the counter and having their carry-on sized and weighed.. and yeah my carry-on was a bit too big. I knew it was, it's an older model that was sized to max carry-on size within the US, but obviously too big for international carriers. Ended up paying 100 Euros or so, which I think is crazy, but.. it's my fault. At the end of the day the rules are rules, carriers are ver
    • Personally it would surprise some here how many people fail at Tetris. Even where they are signs on how carry on should be stowed and there is only one way to put in a bag in a bin, there are always a few people on every flight I have been on fail who struggle at it. No, not sideways. No, turning it 180 will not help. It is either wheels in or wheels out.
  • by KiltedKnight ( 171132 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:39AM (#64294290) Homepage Journal
    Especially since the implementation and recent increases of checked bag fees. That caused people to take the biggest possible carry-on bags, take more overhead compartment space than necessary, and make it problematic for everyone else. The worst of it in my recent experiences, having been responsible when flying and checking my carry-on sized bag and limiting my carry-on to a simple backpack for my laptop and a few other small items, is arriving at the gate and having the gate agents making repeated announcements of, "We have a full flight today and are looking for N people to check a bag," where N is usually greater than 10 and has been as high as 20... and then they reward these people by checking the bag for free and moving them up in the boarding priority. If they'd reduce the allowable and then more strictly enforce the carry-on sizes, they might not have these problems.
    • Especially since the implementation and recent increases of checked bag fees.

      Southwest doesn't charge for your first 2x checked bags.

      If other airlines are charging for this...switch airlines, no?

  • Good and bad here. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by skam240 ( 789197 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:44AM (#64294318)

    I've been flying a good bit recently and I do have to say I'm a bit glad they're cracking down on people bringing ridiculous amounts of stuff onto the planes as carry-ons thus creating scenarios where others getting on after cant bring anything on because all the storage space is taken by people who feel that rules dont apply to them.

    The bad here is that the whole reason many are trying to do this is because of high baggage check fees and horrible reliability ratings on the part of the airlines getting checked bags onto the proper plane so this behavior is being heavily driven by the airline's own actions. This means we have more tantrums by flyers holding up boarding lines to look forward to as the same person who doesnt think rules apply to them is the type to throw a fit over being told "no".

    • by Brett Buck ( 811747 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:52AM (#64294374)

      I get upset when told no - when they change the rules on the fly or on a case-by-case basis. I have my carry-on and a small personal item that fits the notional "rules". I pay for that and expect to get the space for it, and I will not be oversize.

              If some "gate agent" then changes those rules on the spot, after I am already trapped into the system, that is abuse of power. They know they can get away with it because there are always all sorts of other plans that will also get destroyed and there will be no reasonable compensation for my time and money spent elsewhere.

              I have had this happen several times, including flying my *checked* crate all the way across the country with no problem, then refusing to send it back on the return flight. You are at the airport, you are 2500 miles from home, your irreplacable custom item that was no problem last thursday is completely unacceptable on the same airplane and the same airline on a Sunday afternoon.

      • I have had issues with agents who claim my luggage is oversized for some of the smaller planes. Since I used to fly a lot, I could tell them down to the model of plane which ones could accommodate a normal carryon.
      • by skam240 ( 789197 )

        Huh, never once had the rules changed on me at the gate.

        Also, the people you're upset at are very likely only implementing rules that they are required to by their employer so if you're chewing out the people at the gate all you're doing is chewing out working class people just doing their job rather than the ones actually responsibly for your issues. Never mind the waste of time it is for everyone waiting for you to finish.

        Personally I dont think much of such people so I hope you keep your being "upset" to

        • I am a grownup and donâ(TM)t pitch hissy fits about it, but I am angry about it. I am following established rules and they make it up as they go because they know they can get away with it.

  • by hsmith ( 818216 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:44AM (#64294322)
    Penny possible from everyone. Tons of tax money goes into keep these business afloat and they hate their customers.
  • by crunchy_one ( 1047426 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:45AM (#64294330)
    I'm not being sarcastic. Sending your bag ahead via FedEx or UPS overnight or 2nd day to your destination isn't cheaper, but it's not that much more expensive. What you gain is knowing that your bag will be at your destination. You can skip baggage claim or having to schlep a heavy bag onto the plane. I learned this trick decades ago when I flew frequently for business. It still works today. With all of the airline add-on charges and restrictions it's a better value than ever.
    • do any hotels change an fee for that?

      • Never got charged a dime for the service. Of course if I had been charged, it would have gone right onto my expense report.
    • It is a good trick, but the tricky part is getting it shipped home. You can ship it to remote destination early since you still have your home stuff, but you need your bag there up to the last day.

      • Umm... yeah, but I don't need it right when I arrive home. I can drop it off at the mail carrier on my way to the airport and it will come in a day or two after I'm back home.

    • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:05PM (#64294440)

      Or just overnight yourself, on a train.

      Not kidding here. It's often by no means more expensive, but more comfortable. Instead of being crammed into a flying tube with a couple hundred other pieces of freight, after a humiliating cavity search process that not only strips you of any dignity but also of everything they'd like to sell to you at inflated prices again, you arrive at your train the night before, travel in a pretty decent sleeping arrangement to your destination, you can work or play on your computer if you're not inclined to sleep right away (WiFi included for free), get a decent breakfast the next morning and ample time to get dressed and presentable, then arrive at your destination and usually way closer to the town that you try to get to than you would be at an airport.

      Yes, that only applies to destinations that are roughly 1000 miles from your point of origin and mostly works for Europe, but guess why our airlines tend to be a lot more ... agreeable.

      • by slaker ( 53818 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:52PM (#64294622)

        European-like typing detected.

        Rail travel in the USA is extremely limiting outside the northeastern USA. Boston to Washington DC, OK, fine. Do you want to go west of that? I hope you wanted to go through Chicago or New Orleans.

        There are some states in the continental USA that are barely or not served at all by Amtrak (Kentucky, Idaho, Kentucky, (east) Tennessee, South Dakota and Wyoming) and there may not be any rail services that connect to metropolitan local light rail. In some place, such as Las Vegas, the "Amtrak Stop" is a bus depot that takes travelers to a completely different state before they get on a train.

        I lbought an ORD to LGA round trip flight for $60, inclusive of fees, yesterday. The flight takes an hour and a half. Amtrak wants ~$170 and needs 19 hours to go one way. If I were to try to take Amtrak from relatively close South Bend, Indiana and Kalamazoo, Michigan, I'd need more than 12 hours for what is at most a 90 minute drive.

        The USA screwed up by not prioritizing rail as a way to travel. I'd love to take trains more places. But trains tend not to go places Americans need them or on anything like a desirable schedule.

    • There are companies whose entire business is facilitating this.
  • by slaker ( 53818 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:49AM (#64294354)

    I fly Spirit around a dozen times a year. I'm single and it's easy enough for me to get on a train that takes me to O'Hare and just go. Spirit flights are cheap enough that I can spend under $100 to do 36 hours in New Orleans or Tampa on a whim.

    Spirit charges for everything, so I've just gotten good at fitting every single thing I need in a carry-on. Since I mostly travel domestically within the USA, there's really no place I could go that I can't buy anything that isn't in my bag or can't have the same day I get to my hotel or aribnb. I've been known to pack for two weeks, including my mirrorless camera and lens and a notebook PC, in just my carry on. I can stop by a UPS location if I need to ship something home. Not a big deal.

    I understand that it's a little different for someone whose wardrobe needs involve multiple pairs of shoes or something, but it still stuns me to see people wheeling in multiple bags specifically for a Spirit flight.

    I pretty much figured that everyone else would wind up in this same place sooner or later. I have stuck with Spirit because its planes are generally newer and in point of fact I've never been on a flight with a mechanical delay.

  • I thought it might be a playful jab at Spirit and Frontier and their rigid carry-on policing to collect more fees.

    Playful jab? Southwest is the original Spirit and Frontier, only with much slicker marketing. They practically invented the "cattle car" model for air travel (other airlines roasted them for it [youtube.com]), so of course they were eventually going to crack the whip on cheaters. Expecting anything more than the cattle car travel experience from Southwest is like shopping at Target to get better quality pr

    • To be fair - they are the one US airline that does not charge for checking your bags. So the excuse of carrying excess stuff on is harder to justify on them then on others.

    • Huh? Southwest has only economy class. But they don't have hidden fees. And they go to great lengths to provide good service. And they don't charge change fees which makes SothWest by far the best choice for business travelers who don't like to feel cheated.
  • by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:10PM (#64294464)

    Your baggage will be in your hotel room at arrival, no more waiting at your destination, no schlepping.

    People in the 19th century had people handling their baggage, why wouldn't we in the 21st?

  • by Randseed ( 132501 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:28PM (#64294534)
    When you go to the airport, check one bag that has your clothes and things like that in your checked bag. Then carry on a small bag with your laptop, necessary meds, and absolutely essential items. Then change into a trench coat with all the other crap in it including a huge vibrating dildo with a lithium-ion battery in it (so it can't be checked). When you get to the security checkpoint, everyone will thank you for the efficiency when you just empty out the coat into the bins. When the TSA agent insists you take off the coat, then whip that baby off and expose yourself in your birthday suit and walk seamlessly through the detection equipment. Then reload the trench coat, THEN put it on. This works best for attractive women, but could also work for hairy old guys with swastika and white supremacy tattoos.
  • Seriously, how hard is it: you may carry on two items. Two. Yes, ma'am, your purse is an item. Your duty free shopping bag is an item. Your other shopping bag is also an item. That great honking travel case, which probably exceeds size limits, is an item.

    Some years ago, a bunch of teenage girls were in the waiting are with way too much stuff. The gate attendant talked to them. It was hilarious: in order to get down to two bags each, they had to take out a lot of clothes. Which they then had to wear. Probab

  • by cfalcon ( 779563 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:41PM (#64294588)

    Do you know what happens when people get to their seats with all their doodads and such? They shove them in the overhead bin, fucking everyone who is later than them in the seating cycle. Suddenly your normal sized, totally appropriate backpack has to be "checked", except it has all the things that can't be checked, like your lithium ion batteries, or should never be checked, like your company proprietary laptop. Now you are in some negotiation with a flight attendant to try to get some weird family to be willing to part with whatever wad of padding and bullshit they hammered into the space above your seat.

    This isn't some ploy to fuck consumers, this is definitely something that helps travelers.

  • What's a purse? A BIG purse? A personal item or a carry-on? Does it take less space because it's a "purse"? What about a laptop? Still a personal item nowadays? What if it's a 10 year-old laptop vs a macbook air or iPad?

  • Fund Amtrak (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Baloo Uriza ( 1582831 ) <baloo@ursamundi.org> on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:13PM (#64294692) Homepage Journal
    instead of bailing out the airlines every five years, carefully listen to their needs, tally up every penny they're asking for, look the airlines dead in the eye and then give twice as much as they're asking to Amtrak instead.
  • Good! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Murdoch5 ( 1563847 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:43PM (#64295416) Homepage
    Far to many people abuse the carry on system, and cause major inconvenience for everyone else, because they can't be bothered to pay for their massively over-sized suit case to be checked. If you need more then a CPAP and Backpack, check it and shut-up, because any more then that, it’s not carry on appropriate.

    A careful packer can get 3 days of clothes, toiletries, a notebook and some assorted other goods in 1 backpack. If they also need a CPAP, that’s two pieces, that will comfortably fit above the seat.

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