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GM Cuts 1,000 Software Jobs As It Prioritizes AI 108

General Motors is cutting around 1,000 software workers around the world in a bid to focus on more "high-priority" initiatives like improving its Super Cruise driver assistance system, the quality of its infotainment platform and exploring the use of AI. From a report: The job cuts are not about cost cutting or individual performance, GM spokesperson Stuart Fowle told TechCrunch. Rather, they are meant to help the company move more quickly as it tries to compete in the world of "software-defined vehicles." For example, Fowle said, that could mean moving away from developing many different infotainment features and instead focusing on ones that matter most to consumers.

The shuffle comes after GM has struggled with recent software problems. The automaker temporarily halted sales of its new Blazer EV in late 2023 after early vehicles encountered glitches. In June, GM promoted two former Apple executives to run its software and services division. The promotions were meant to fill the gap left by Mike Abbott, another Apple veteran who had joined GM as its executive vice president of software and services. Abbott left GM in March for health reasons.
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  • by Z80a ( 971949 ) on Monday August 19, 2024 @11:46AM (#64718198)

    And turning everything into smartphones, like cars into smartphones with wheels, is probably a fatal one.

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      • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Monday August 19, 2024 @01:01PM (#64718454)

        No, humans who think they know better are the ones who end up dead. Those little black boxes and their main threads have saved so many lives over the years that some of those threads are now referred to as "mandated safety features".

      • Any car is the last 25 years has dozens of micro processors spinning in 1 thread loops controlling everything from ABS to your fuel air mixture.
      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        Pilots that let little black boxes fly for them end up buried in them. Yeah, I don't want to get dead because the main thread was hung.

        Smartphones weren't a mistake. The mistake was letting CEOs think they knew better than experts.

        Trying to shoehorn every gimmick into everything to increase sales.

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        Pilots that let little black boxes fly for them end up buried in them. Yeah, I don't want to get dead because the main thread was hung.

        There is a great deal of wisdom in that. Over-automation has killed a lot of pilots and passengers. Two incidents recently killed 350 due to automation the pilots were barely even aware of (737-8 MAX). Aircraft autopilot works well not because it's better than the pilot, rather it augments the pilots ability by offloading a lot of repetitive and menial tasks. Pilot and automation working together. The 737 MAX crashes show what happens when pilots have to fight automation, Germanwings 2525 demonstates that a

    • you know about the Fractions of a Penny from the loans. Well some coder should just drop in them into there own account.

    • This is a common sense thing but there is correlation in the data in that you can see a pretty steady decline in fatalities rate from like the mid 70s-2010's, likely as vehichle safety and road design improved but since 2014 there's been a year-over-year rise. Still below the peak

      Car Crash Deaths and Rates [nsc.org]

      • but since 2014 there's been a year-over-year rise.

        Considering that the average age of a car in the USA is about 12 years old, it's probably not the new vehicle features but just drivers being distracted by their phones. Anecdotally, I've certainly seen enough of it while driving.

        • by GoTeam ( 5042081 )
          It seems like every time I see someone swerve into another lane, the driver is screwing with their damn phone. It's pretty irritating. Just focus on driving!
          • Maybe you could do that on the old days. Now everyone requires an instant reply. Whether it's work, family, or volunteer work they all want their questions answered immediately. I blame Net Promoter Score surveys as much as I blame cell phones for this.
            • by GoTeam ( 5042081 )
              I don't think that's a good excuse (I may have missed some blatant sarcasm, I'm prone to such mistakes). No text or phone call is so urgent that people need to put others at risk of death or harm. It's a "personal accountability" thing.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        The main reason is congestion, which city planners deliberately put into place, like in Austin, where lanes are removed and roads narrowed. If cars are stopped, they can't hit each other, and it reduces the fatality rate.

      • by groobly ( 6155920 ) on Monday August 19, 2024 @12:29PM (#64718352)

        IMHO, an important factor in the decrease in fatality rate is the improved trauma care that is able to save people who would have in the past died. It would be useful to know the injury rate in addition to the fatality rate. The injury rate would be more indicative of the effect of vehicle safety, such as air bags.

    • And turning everything into smartphones, like cars into smartphones with wheels, is probably a fatal one.

      Not a fatal mistake until the SCOTUS rules that the AI cars are entitled to have guns. Probably via some extension of corporate personhood to include AI cars? I bet Musk's lawyers are working on it now.

      You think Musk's electric truck is funny enough to laugh at? You ain't gonna laugh at his new electric tank. At least not twice.

      (Ambiguity of English is annoying. That's a tank like Abrams, not like Disney Sea. In some languages there's a better word--but pardon Slashdot's lack of Unicode preventing an exampl

      • When Roger Zelany wrote "Devil Car" and "Last of the Wild Ones", that was supposed be be a cautionary tale about not giving cars artificial intelligence, not recommendation.
      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        Sometime in the not to distant future, SCOTUS will rule that AI-bots have the right to contribute to political campaigns. The pols that the AI-bots will support will be those crying bitterly that Supreme Court Justices have too much oversight into their grifting abilities.

        Justice Thomas needs a new boat. Alito, being dissatisfied with an own goal on abortion, will encourage a case that protects sperm cells as "little human beings". Roberts needs a new pair of AI-goggles, able to see into any case and discer

      • by shanen ( 462549 )

        Thanks for the censor mod, you stinking troll. Might be the best evidence that I'm onto something.

        However I was mostly going for funny. *sigh*

    • Seriously, it's infiltrating everything. I was looking for a cheap guitar amp to practice with. I read a bunch of reviews for various amps, and one of them had listed as "reason not to buy" being "requires smart phone to access all the features". Seriously, and another didn't say that but was going on about bluetooth. It raised my level of suspicion--were they just not mentioning it needed a phone because "everybody has one"?

      So many things that have nothing to do with phones--we're talking signal gain a

      • Seriously, it's infiltrating everything. I was looking for a cheap guitar amp to practice with. I read a bunch of reviews for various amps, and one of them had listed as "reason not to buy" being "requires smart phone to access all the features". Seriously, and another didn't say that but was going on about bluetooth. It raised my level of suspicion--were they just not mentioning it needed a phone because "everybody has one"?

        That's why I stick with tube amps and simple pedals.

        What more do you need really?

        • by shanen ( 462549 )

          What more do I need? A hat with a smartphone built into it. Also extra batteries, selectable lenses, and noise-cancelling earphones. Suitable for long flights or napping or various other purposes...

      • Seriously, it's infiltrating everything. I was looking for a cheap guitar amp to practice with. I read a bunch of reviews for various amps, and one of them had listed as "reason not to buy" being "requires smart phone to access all the features". Seriously, and another didn't say that but was going on about bluetooth. It raised my level of suspicion--were they just not mentioning it needed a phone because "everybody has one"?

        So many things that have nothing to do with phones--we're talking signal gain and power drive here, with maybe a few very basic effects and they want to bodge a phone on to it? Just... no. NO.

        We built amps out of discreet components in the electronics lab at school. My partner brought in a guitar. It was incredibly basic, but it worked. Am I going to have to haul out the soldering irons just to avoid this? Probably not. It looks like there are plenty of cheap amps out there that haven't gone this way--but how long will that be the case?

        In the tradition of guitarists everywhere, let me recommend my practice amp: A Peavey Studio Pro 112 red stripe, bought used for well below $100, and usable right up to stage volume for everything but hard rock and metal where the drummers really hit hard. Real amps are tube (Marshall DSL for me, thanks), and if they try to phone-up a tube amp, it'll simply hit my "no interest" list that much faster than most new equipment.

      • by jvkjvk ( 102057 )

        If enough people feel as you do then there will be a market for them.
        If you are just a niche, expect to only find your goods in niche marketplaces.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 )

      You begged the question and at the same time counter proved your point.

      Where smartphones a mistake? Maybe you use yours all day to Tik some Toks but for me it serves as personal organiser, security device, remote data access device, navigation device, and a form of data access from abroad. Smartphones have saved me uncountable hours and dollars, so I'm not sure what you mean by mistake.

      As for the cars, comparing them to a modern smartphone is great. They are high tech pieces of gear that ultimately have sav

      • by Z80a ( 971949 )

        It's mostly the overreliance on the internet and advertising/data selling, how you're co-owning the device with the manufacturer and telco and how hard it is to repair and often how heavy and unreliable the software is that irks me.
        Also i don't think it's the ideal enviroment to run critical systems.
        Luckly most manufacturers still integrate a bunch of offline, service specific computers into cars, but i can see those going away to save costs.

        • Yep and now I'm right with you. That reliance is a bad thing.

          As for criticality of systems, that's what ISO 26262 is for. There's nothing lucky about it, it's a fundamental feature of functional safety. Virtually everything that is safety related to the operation of the vehicle is segregated from anything else. I have had a complete infotainment system crash in my car while driving before (thank's Google Built-In). My dashboard stopped showing navigation, my Spotify stopped playing, but other than that all

    • "Crash Imminent! Swipe Left!"

    • I am on the fence with the notion that smartphones were a mistake, but trying to make cars into ipads was the dumbest fucking choice by an industry ever. Also, how does one go /faster/ at software if they lay off a thousand people? They must be reaaaaaaallllly bad at software.
  • by Frederic54 ( 3788 ) on Monday August 19, 2024 @11:47AM (#64718208) Journal
    GM was barred for my next vehicle purchase because they ditched android auto, maybe a comeback? Why GM hates its customers so much?
    • by lsllll ( 830002 )

      In June, GM promoted two former Apple executives to run its software and services division. The promotions were meant to fill the gap left by Mike Abbott, another Apple veteran who had joined GM as its executive vice president of software and services. Abbott left GM in March for health reasons.

      Highly unlikely, unless these two bozos are realistic.

    • Outside of the Corvette is there any GM vehichle that is like a "best in class" in any field? I suppose maybe when only comparing the "domestic" brands, whatever that means anymore, but like is there a GM vehichle that you could say is better than it's Japan or German, or even Ford competition? I guess they can say "hey at least we're not Stellantis"

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      • by lsllll ( 830002 )

        Outside of the Corvette is there any GM vehichle that is like a "best in class" in any field?

        The Vette is best in class? I'll give you that, after a long slump since the early 70s Stringray, the latest models finally look pretty cool and their performance/price is good as well, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it best in class.

        • I suppose more accurately in terms of performance to cost a "class", it's very much best in class in terms of 500hp, mid engined sports car for 70-90k? There's prefrences in terms of styling but that thing punches above it's weight in terms of driving, especially considering it's reliability versus the German competitiors.

          At the very least I think GM did an excellent job on something ambitious.

          • by lsllll ( 830002 )
            BMW M3 would fall in line with the Vette, although, despite having both an E36 M3 and an E60 M5, I like the look of the new Vette over that of the new M3. Most "Bangelized" and after BMWs are totally ugly. I'm glad Chevy took to a new, bold look on the Vette to match its performance. Reliability figures will take a bit to figure.
        • by ranton ( 36917 )

          The Vette is best in class? I'll give you that, after a long slump since the early 70s Stringray, the latest models finally look pretty cool and their performance/price is good as well, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it best in class.

          Car and Driver considers the Corvette #1 in both performance and luxury sports cars, although they are essentially tied with the top Porsches. Unless you are including exotic sports cars like Ferrari and Lamborghini in the same class, then yes Corvettes are absolutely best in class.

      • Outside of the Corvette is there any GM vehichle that is like a "best in class" in any field?

        In what class would a Corvette be the best? You buy a Corvette because you cannot afford a Ferrari, a Lamborghini, or a top Porsche.

        • Yeah but you can be as fast or as close to those at a much cheaper price, i suppose if that's a "class". For $70K it's at least gotta be top 3 or 2 of sports cars in there right?

        • by ranton ( 36917 )

          In what class would a Corvette be the best? You buy a Corvette because you cannot afford a Ferrari, a Lamborghini, or a top Porsche.

          The Corvette is a performance sports car, and at least as far as Car and Driver is concerned the Corvette is at the top of its class (the Porsche 718 Cayman coming in a very close second). The Corvette E-Ray and Z06 are considered luxury sports cars, and they take Car and Driver's #1 & #2 spots in that category as well (again with the Porsche 911 being #3 but essentially tied with the Corvette).

          The other cards you list are exotic sports cars. There you have Ferrari and Lamborghini in the top spots, but

    • Carplay has sucked badly in the vehicle I own now, the previous vehicle I owned, and in rentals I've tried.

      Same thing with the manufacturer infotainment systems, I mean is there anyone out there that likes any of the automotive UI's ? Even Tesla & Rivian...not good.
      Maps, digital music, phone book. That's it. Leave the climate control and radio controls tactile. While your at it you can ditch the never used eco-sport-superduper drive settings

      Maps - I want my google map from my phone on the big displ

  • This sounds all very well thought out. I can't wait for all the innovation in my next software based Chevy. Will it do that thing where I can turn the wheel and make it go forward and back or will it just be cash machine for you? I bet I know the priority!
  • Translated (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Monday August 19, 2024 @11:54AM (#64718246)

    "We want to shift much more of our focus to software, which is why we are laying off 1000 software people that know our business really well".

    Wait what???

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    • Wait what???

      This is the same company that said my NACS adapter should be available sometime in Spring. It's almost fall, still no NACS adapter.

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. They probably did a bunch of layoffs for the usual economy is kind of meh at the moment reasons, then someone in PR was instructed to put out a press release spinning the layoffs as a good thing, because AI. That person probably used ChatGPT to write the press release, and here we a

      • by Junta ( 36770 )

        The NACS adapter situation across the board is similar. Basically a lot of car companies took Tesla at their word and then announced to their customers the availability.

        Then Tesla fired a bunch of people and aren't really delivering on their promise. They got the vendors to agree to NACS and they have no more use for their agreements with that settled.

      • This is the same company that said my NACS adapter should be available sometime in Spring. It's almost fall, still no NACS adapter.

        Ok...what is a "NACS" adapter....??

        • This is the same company that said my NACS adapter should be available sometime in Spring. It's almost fall, still no NACS adapter.

          Ok...what is a "NACS" adapter....??

          NACS stands for North American Charging Standard, basically what Tesla uses. I believe all if not most manufacturers selling in the North American market have agreed to transition away from J1772 and start using Tesla's design. When the agreement was announced it was stated that after appropriate changes were made, non Tesla vehicles could use Tesla superchargers with an approved adapter.

          • NACS stands for North American Charging Standard, basically what Tesla uses. I believe all if not most manufacturers selling in the North American market have agreed to transition away from J1772 and start using Tesla's design. When the agreement was announced it was stated that after appropriate changes were made, non Tesla vehicles could use Tesla superchargers with an approved adapter.

            Ah...thank you.

            I have NO clue about anything EV....I've only been in 1-2 of the odd Ubers that were Tesla....

            LOL. and

    • It's a genius move - they are going to let AI develop AI for their cars. That loud whooshing noise is the singularity getting fired up at GM!

      They should really replace the CEO with ChatGPT too, since it could probably write a better press release that doesn't sound like nonsensical garbage.

    • Re:Translated (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Koen Lefever ( 2543028 ) on Monday August 19, 2024 @01:05PM (#64718470)
      We are now building a huge temple to Poseidon (that is Neptunus for you Romans), so we fired all the dyke builders.
      • they're taking the money from those 1000 software engineers and using it to build data centers. AI is incredibly expensive to deploy. That said, it needs much, _much_ fewer software engineers. So it's a wash.

        If we had anti-trust law they couldn't get away with this because those engineers would get snapped up by competitors causing massive competitive issues for GM down the line.

        But we don't, so they won't. They'll just be unemployed.

        Elections have consequences.
    • "We want to shift much more of our focus to software, which is why we are laying off 1000 software people that know our business really well".

      Wait what???

      Never before have we seen so many bullshit excuses for US Capitalism to deny there is a recession.

      Lets try and not forget that. It’s an election year as well. Bullshit practically fuels the political marathon.

    • by leonbev ( 111395 )

      I'm hoping that the fired the team who thought that it was a good idea to move away from Carplay and Android Auto and create a GM proprietary interface instead filled with optional subscriptions from OnStar.

      • I'm hoping that the fired the team who thought that it was a good idea to move away from Carplay and Android Auto and create a GM proprietary interface instead

        From the summary it seemed they were EXPANDING that effort!! But again laying off 1k people who could help.

    • and building data centers. That's where the money's going.

      AI is devouring jobs. Increasingly there will be less and less work. We're not far off from putting every taxi and delivery driver out of work. Same with most retail jobs.

      We've had a major automation boom going on for decades that nobody likes to talk about [businessinsider.com] and it's about to accelerate drastically.

      We need to do something about it (a federal housing & jobs guarantee for a start) but too many folk are stuck in their ways and refuse to f
    • The whole AI push is about eliminating people. In the AI utopia GM will no doubt deliver, programmers aren't needed. The machines learn themselves. They even reproduce themselves, providing an unlimited source of wealth and power into perpetuity. This singular, human-less future can be yours. The competing AIs and displaced programmers will vanish quietly into history, like the city of Gaza. All it takes to reach this utopia is an investment in GM stock.

  • Let's get more software by getting rid of the people who can work with software and extend software for our specialized needs.

    Next generation of GM's cars will have a smartphone taped to the dash and outsource all the software to the "cloud". That won't cause them to slide into yet another bankruptcy at all.

  • A bag of hammers in charge of nine rocks. I'm keeping clear of that cluster-fuck.

  • That's about like companies that want to merge, justifying it by saying that they want to "improve customer service and reduce prices."

    Both are marketing-speak, aka lies.

    • It's all just spin for the stockholders. They're taking proactive measures to right-size and increase productive efficiency, which maximizes dynamic corporate potential. Pretty sure there's some paradigms, and synergy in there somewhere, too. Also, they're going to AI. Lots of AI. AI out the wazoo.

      • LOL exactly. They'll increase their competitive edge and maximize shareholder value. They'll do all this while improving the efficiency of resource allocation and promoting sustainable growth.

  • They leap from one buzzword to the next, failing at every step, but counting on the next one to give them a reprieve and bring in new cash from the rubes.
    • They leap from one buzzword to the next, failing at every step, but counting on the next one to give them a reprieve and bring in new cash from the rubes.

      They're Too Big To Fail.

      The rubes, already paid for their business strategy. Probably do it again too.

  • by david.emery ( 127135 ) on Monday August 19, 2024 @12:35PM (#64718370)

    GM Management: "We have to get rid of the people who actually know things in our domain, to replace them with people whose resumes have the latest buzzwords. It's clear that someone with 20+ years experience in automotive and embedded software is unable to learn New Stuff."

    • If they are dumb enough to hire embedded programmers (doubtful), my company will hire them. We've been trying to hire good embedded people for about 3 years, now. It is hard.

      I bet most of the people losing their job have titles like "Senior Digital Strategist".
      • No, they are likely getting rid of the genuine embedded devs. Most infotainment systems are now based on Android Automotive (not to be confused with Android Auto which is like Apple CarPlay), and the language du-jour is Java and Kotlin. No embedded development required.
        • Well, they didn't say in any case. They build their cars with lots of CAN and tons of sensor data coming into the ECU. If they laid off embedded C folks to hire Java/Kotlin coders, *shrug* we'll likely hire all of them and have them billing clients about 15 minutes later. I don't know Android Automotive is the future for cars and IT folks working in that space or not, but I find it hard to believe nobody needs to add/modify/drop code to the ECU anymore, but in any case, if so, we'll hire them in a microseco
          • I totally get it, having an embedded background myself, and seeing what one of GM's competitors was doing first hand, they seem to not want to have anyone in-house that knows what's going on that's on salary, but they are more than happy to contract out all the critical work (like handling things at the ECU level). I honestly think it may have something to do with legal liability, or maybe it's all just a finance/numbers game for shareholders. Whatever the logic, tier 1 suppliers are making a bloody killing
            • I can't see how they could ever shuffle off the liability to contractors. Ask Boeing how that's working for work done by Spirit on 737 MAX....

              • I never said it was smart, but it does seem to be what they're doing. And in today's world car companies will keep doing it until they get burned, then they'll revert for a few years, maybe a decade, and then new management will once again decide that outsourcing is better and we rinse and repeat.
            • Whatever the reason, I work for a company that does embedded code on several platforms. They are fools if they lay off embedded coders. We recruit for years to find good people. They will be unemployed for about as long as it takes to post a resume on Indeed.
      • by narcc ( 412956 )

        We've been trying to hire good embedded people for about 3 years, now. It is hard.

        Have you thought about doing your own training? Salaries are only going up and you're already having trouble recruiting. It's a bit of a risk, but if you raise them from interns you'll weed out the duds early on and likely get a few years out of any gems at a discount rate.

        • We have tried it several time with mixed results. What tends to happen is that the interns fall into two categories. There are those who simply are hopeless and have no skill or then there are those who have some aptitude but have attendance problems. So, thus far, that has been pretty frustrating, but we continue to try.
    • You win the Internet today!

      That can be said about every industry. Once the career MBAs who have no deep knowledge about the core company products take over the C suite and HR, they look for buzzwords on the resumes instead of actual experience in their industry.
  • All you get with a job is fired.

  • .. how many CEOs and business leaders can even spell "AI", let alone understand what the various technologies lumped under this label are, and what they individually can and cannot do?!

    At the fortune 500 where I work, leaders seem to use "AI" in a vague hand-wavy kind of way, not differentiating between LLMs which they think are capable of replacing developers (fire first, regret later), and data-mining anomaly detectors which they think are will turn data into gold, even though they are nothing new and hav

    • I've been using this incredible AI assistant that helps me write code 10x+ faster than I could before....It's name is Compiler. It's allowed me to write in more natural language than I ever could in op codes and and really simplified pointers and memory management.
  • Oh wait

  • GM selling your speed data to the insurers via Lexus-nexus. GM building execrable cars via the worldwide lowest bidders for all commodity parts..... We had a GM in the 80's...never again. Replaced it with a BMW. Later, had a GM in 2010. Nothing had changed.
  • Increase productivity by reducing number of workers? How does that work? If they laid off or shifted 1000 from infotainment and then increased ADAS by 1000 workers that'd be different.

  • If you look closely at this announcement AI actually has nothing to do with this. They seem to have added the word AI for no reason. It is not explained in any way what the use of AI would even be here or why that would lead to layoffs. I think they just wanted to blame AI without bothering to think of what use AI would actually be in any of this. Also who do they think is going to build this increasingly hypothetical AI? Programmers? Like the ones they just fired?
  • Why did mass transit die in America? We had a pretty good system. Trains, streetcars, even stagecoaches. And horses and bicycles. Seriously, who doesn't love the trolley when they make a visit to San Francisco for a convention? Mass transit can be the safest, funnest, most social form of getting around. And it's really cheap, per capita Why do over 100 Americans, in various states of emotional stress, drive vehicles daily? As someone who loves urban walking, when I can handle the noise and the fumes
  • More and more of the car consists of taking the entire an computer system and tossing it. "That'll be $800 to replace it, assuming it fixes it."

    • Well Ma'am, we found the problem. You're going to need:
      New ECU bearings, there are 4 of those
      3 quarts of Computing fluid
      1 quart of Calibration fluid

      We recommend replacing the electrosphincter every 10,000 miles, we would include the labor if you choose this today?

  • by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Monday August 19, 2024 @06:23PM (#64719468) Journal

    ... 1000 there ... pretty soon you've got the best economy ever!

    Want more of that? Just keep on voting against your best interests, "techies".

  • GM ditched Carplay and Android Auto so they could build their own system instead - presumably so they could get a cut out of streaming services, not risk other mapping software (instead charging plenty for their own), and just monetize / squeeze their customers with less userfriendly, but costly alternatives.

    Getting rid of the developers working on this - and instead working on integrating Carplay and Android Auto again would make for a better system, and more and better satisfied customers. As well as fe

  • I sure thought it was a ripe-for-funny story.

  • People walk around and act as if GM still had "relevance" as a 'Murican manufacturer.

    American car manufacturers are run by fucking finance clowns that only care about positive quarterly earnings. They don't represent a significant percentage of American industrial manufacturers, at least, not large enough to be significant to the US economy. They don't even make their profits from selling the cars they manufacture. They make their profit from offering "financing" for the cars they manufacture. Worldwide

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