Yes, indirect benefits and taxation is core to how government services work. You can lose money in one sector and recoup from the gains in others. Cheap and reliable post service has been a backbone of the US economy since its inception, these are like force multipliers. You'd have to show me the USPS has always been "profitable" as a counterexample.

You even use "acceptable cost" so you get what I'm saying, we are just arguing over the amount that is acceptable.

Yes I will excoriate Republicans because they have never, ever in my life cared about root causes.

You want a return to pre 1970s USPS which means fully government controlled. Republicans don't want this. You want USPS reform, Republicans don't want this, they want to divest and privatize it.

Democrats may sometimes throw goodoney after bad but they also get actual governance done, they pass bills. Infrastructure, Chips act, inflation reduction act; all passed under Biden and those bills have project Republicans are taking credit for even while most voted against it.

Republicans can't govern, they have never cared about root causes because they are forced under positions and chose a leader who simply does not understand the concept.

Can you point me to one speech or anything where Trump understand the cause and solution to a root cause issue?

Well then we *mostly* agree. I would say the USPS should dissolve it's quasi-private structure and just return to it's pre-1970's structure and exist as a mostly public service. First class mail has such a wide ranging benefit for all other sectors of the economy that I don't really care if it runs at a bit of a loss. For packages and bulk mail service it can operate at the break-even level as described.

One things for sure, if reform is what we want the onyl path for it is the Democrats, even if we consider us cringe. I won't stand for Republicans disparaging it or pretending like they care or have solutions though.

Sure but even with that said one party is willing to keep the USPS operational and funded while the other wants to privatize it.

Do you care about the USPS or just playing word games?

Well here's the thing, that was passed in 2006 and you need a Democrat President in office (since Trump isn't signing that) and you also need 60 votes in the Senate. Or you need to vote in the primaries for Democratic Senators that will undo the filibuster.

The only time Democrats had 60 votes in the Senate was for 79 days in 2008 and while they didn't get that done they were the most productive Congress in our generation.

So my point stands, Republicans are ghouls who want to gut and privatize the USPS and the Democrats while far from perfect are at least stable stewards of government and they are the party that would most likely support the USPS. That's just reality chief, accept it.

Harsh truth but if you all just voted for Hillary then Iran wouldn't have a nuke, we wouldn't be in a conflict and we wouldn't have used up like half our missile stocks, along with a host of other things, but nobody wants to hear that do they?

Senate passes $107 billion overhaul of USPS, lauding mail agency’s role in pandemic response

House Set to Approve $25 Billion in Postal Service Funding

House Democrats hope to sign, seal and deliver legislation this weekend that will buoy the U.S. Postal Service with $25 billion in emergency funding...

But regular commentary from President Donald Trump that he will not fund the Post Office, despite requests from its own board of governors to do so...

Am I here to argue Democrats are perfect or don't have glaring errors? Absolutely not but fact is one party does in fact want to reform things for the better and actually *pass legislation* and one party is the Republicans.

So who are you voting for? Or do you actually care about this issue or just want to pretend like you straddle an imaginary fence?

Well by being a Democrat I can vote for candidates in both primaries and general elections that will support undoing some of these reforms and they might get elected whereas you can choose to put support towards accomplishing nothing and blame everyone else.

Also if you supported Jill Stein, well, you're obviously a multiple recipient of these.

Well Republicans have spent the last 40 years divesting it away, sabotaging and underfunding it in an effort to show how incapable it is and turn public sentiment against it and yet it still has been able to maintain a high level of service.

I'm from USA and I didn't ask for another pointless diatribe.

If you don't want to answer then were really done.

No but for realsies, if you are a foreigner what country? Might change my perspective on your outlook here.

See? Not real. You aren't real. This isn't real.

No to be clear I think you simply do not understand my argument, either from ignorance or purpose. I understand your argument fine, hell I am only half disagreeing with you but I dont even think you understand that. You cant understand that or you might be forced to actually address mt greater point and not just the 1in of surface on it.

But hey, you're a Trump voter, why do I have any expectations?

The left doesn't want to be under the tent of the Democratic party and somehow always finds a reason to not vote for the Democratic candidate. I remember when the left said we needed to choose Walz or they wouldn't vote for Harris and then after he was picked... whoops, found another reason! The same people that threw their weight behind Fetterman. So why should Democrats pander to people that don't want to vote for them anyway at the cost of alienating the party base that actually votes?

I mean look at you, you already justified not supporting the party. It's politics as a fashion statement, aesthetics only.

This is gobbledygook. The liberals are already down 6-3

Sounds like you agree that SC reform is needed.

Also why would you post this under AC, it's kinda reasonable? Are you that fucking afraid?

You are purposefully not misstating my argument. You know what, I'm chalking this one up to my mistake for engaging with you at all. No more until you post under your actual user.

"We're not having a real conversation are we? You're just waiting for me to stop talking so you can say your next thing."