Sorry but Sanders campaign was destroyed by getting less votes in the primary because he was unable to appeal to minority voters and the fact that while I like Bernie himself he surrounded himself with some of the worst people (BJG a glaring example) and did nothing with his post 2016 momentum to build actual political capital, instead happy to just revert back to an I on his name so when 2020 rolls around does Bernie have a younger heir ready to run? Does he put his weight behind his supposed progressive ally Warren? No, his supporters turn on her and they both lose because his ego makes him think his 80+ year old can run again. Just as dumb as Biden trying to run again in 2024.

This is from a 2 time Bernie primary voter.

If some people's lost hope have led them to such apathy to be complacent or supportive of a Trump 2024 victory they should either just become Republicans or just don't concern themselves with politics anymore because they probably dont have a grasp about what politics is.

Yelling about Genocide Joe and Copmala Harris for the 6 months before 2024 certainly didn't help anyone with hope.

I mean sure mainstream radio is a wasteland, that's not a Canadian specific thing. You think I want to hear "Shook me all night long" for the 1250th time on every classic rock station ever?

Just sayin for it's population Canadians put out a lot of bangers, punching above their weight.

Well you do know quite a few people who share that opinion didn't vote for her and many of those media figures in fact made it clear you really didn't have to support her. She had to fight off both the right wing and also the lefty-socialist wing. Rough spot, if only Trump had to deal with that.

Little empathy there because that crowd basically voted for more genocide, I mean how many of the same folks who demand everyone say the G word won't even accept the idea of a 2-state solution. It's fantasy politics and here we are.

That's not the response a different person would say.

For someone who does this all the time you're kind of bad at trolling actually?

It's sweet justice that all of them have to eat this Iran war now after crowing so hard about how Clinton and Harris would have done it and that's why we just had to support Trump the Dove.

Biden didn't, he held steadfast on pulling out of Afghanistan even though he had to do it with Trump's shitty deal but he still did it even though it was a huge hit to his reputation but we are out of there today. He also effectively ended the so called drone war.

At the very least we can say that after Iraq the Democrats changed tune and followed public sentiment because I don't think Harris or any of the potential candidates would enter Iran or do any offensive conflicts.

If that's what you want to take away from it, sure but that's not enough for me to say a majority are anti-freedom particularly when that attitude is what has contributed to having fascists in charge.

Having 3 more liberal justices after 2016 sure would have helped too but Hillary is a warmonger amirite?

What immigration bill did Obama or Democrats pass?

Sure, the entire nation supported the Patriot Act at the time, we all went nuts after 9/11. Did Obama or Biden utilize the surveillance state to say, deport American citizens like Trump has in the 2024 term?

The patriot act is a bit like the 94 crime bill, yes it looks bad now but at the time it had broad, bipartisan support and in particular from African American leaders and communities but one party is open to reform just like Democrats are far more open to Patriot Act reform than Republicans would be.

"Both sides the same" is conservative propaganda, they spread that opinion through their media because it helps them hold power.

Two things can be bad and one can be way worse still.

Are all those cities primarily coastal, blue areas? Are there more central red counties and cities with flock legislation? Why would we expect there to be?

Don't pretend you're someone else because I embarassed you, it's beneath us both. Well, at least me, nothing is beneath you.

For sure the public sentiment on Flock is exactly the same in 2024 as it is today and sure, if we want to get really semantic about what a ban is, if only the town pasing a specific ordinance with the word ban, than sure.

But you did and I think while the sample size is small but it leans towards my assertion. I mean, Republicans have made crime and immigration their #1 issue even supporting the man who promised to eschew rights and break laws to deport immigrants, why wouldn't they support such things? It's an ugly world.

If we have to go back to WWII I think that makes my point.

Exhibit A