Would You Quit If You Had To Return To the Office After the Pandemic? (usatoday.com) 196
An anonymous reader quotes a report from USA Today: Twenty-nine percent of working professionals say they would quit their jobs if they couldn't continue working remotely, according to an online survey of 1,022 professionals by LiveCareer, an online resume and job search consulting service. Forty-two percent of the U.S. workforce has been working from home full-time during the pandemic, according to a Stanford University study. Those teleworking are generally white-collar office workers who can perform their jobs with a phone and computer.
The survey underscores that at least some businesses and their workers may be on a collision course as life gradually returns to normal and employers start requiring staffers to come back to the mother ship. Sixty-one percent of the white-collar workers surveyed said they want their company to let them work remotely indefinitely, even after the pandemic is over, while 79% said their company plans to return to on-site work eventually. [...] Professionals in some industries are less adamant about continuing to work from home. Just 7% of retail, wholesale and distribution center employees would switch jobs if they couldn't keep telecommuting. But 35% of information technology workers would bolt. Those surveyed highlighted remote work's advantages, with 64% citing flexibility. Four-four percent pointed to improved work-life balance; 40%, feeling safer; 29%, increased productivity; and 10%, being able to acquire new career skills.
There may be room for employers and their staffers to compromise. Ninety-percent of 130 human resources leaders surveyed by Gartner last month said they plan to let employees work remotely at least part of the time, even after a vaccine is widely adopted. And 30% of professionals surveyed by LiveCareer said that if going back to the office is inevitable, they'd like to work there three days a week. Twenty-five percent said two days a week, and 19% said one day. Just 9% said four days.
The survey underscores that at least some businesses and their workers may be on a collision course as life gradually returns to normal and employers start requiring staffers to come back to the mother ship. Sixty-one percent of the white-collar workers surveyed said they want their company to let them work remotely indefinitely, even after the pandemic is over, while 79% said their company plans to return to on-site work eventually. [...] Professionals in some industries are less adamant about continuing to work from home. Just 7% of retail, wholesale and distribution center employees would switch jobs if they couldn't keep telecommuting. But 35% of information technology workers would bolt. Those surveyed highlighted remote work's advantages, with 64% citing flexibility. Four-four percent pointed to improved work-life balance; 40%, feeling safer; 29%, increased productivity; and 10%, being able to acquire new career skills.
There may be room for employers and their staffers to compromise. Ninety-percent of 130 human resources leaders surveyed by Gartner last month said they plan to let employees work remotely at least part of the time, even after a vaccine is widely adopted. And 30% of professionals surveyed by LiveCareer said that if going back to the office is inevitable, they'd like to work there three days a week. Twenty-five percent said two days a week, and 19% said one day. Just 9% said four days.
Quit? They won't let me go into the office! (Score:5, Funny)
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I won't be going back this year. Too risky.
It will take until the autumn to roll out the vaccine to everyone who will take it, but it's not 100% effective. The UK government has decided to space out the two doses of the Pfizer vaccine by 12 weeks instead of 4 as well, so it's probably going to be a lot less than the original 90% effective headline figure. The Oxford one was only 70% effective in trials.
So at best a 10% chance of still getting COVID, probably a lot higher, and it will still be around even wh
Re:Quit? They won't let me go into the office! (Score:5, Funny)
Please shower first
Re:Quit? They won't let me go into the office! (Score:5, Insightful)
I get free lunch at the office, a free charge for my car, a free gym, and better housekeeping for sure :-) OMG, even one day a week would be nice. Anythinig's better than these ridiculous Teams meetings.
Re:Quit? They won't let me go into the office! (Score:5, Insightful)
As with anything, it's down to the individual circumstances.
If a company offers perks like yours does, then people will want to return to the office, although these perks will also cost the company.
Many companies offer no such perks, going to the office means an expensive and time consuming commute, a lunch more costly than you'd have at home etc.
I think now that covid has demonstrated that remote work is possible for a wide range of positions, companies will have to make a choice between spending the money to incentivise people to attend a central office, or saving money through remote working, depending on which they consider to be more important.
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Are those perks worth the commute though?
Consider the extra mileage on your car. Depreciates faster, jack up the finance costs if you go that route. High insurance premiums, time wasted on the road you could use for other stuff. Even if the electricity to run it is free it's still putting wear on your tyres etc.
Chances are it would be cheaper to just pay gym membership or get some home equipment if you have space.
Teams sucks and I do miss the human contact and bants, so I can see one day a week being nice.
Re: Quit? They won't let me go into the office! (Score:4, Interesting)
My problem with the office is that the meetings are too long, the ambient noise is too much, and the chair is an ergonomic nightmare (the in-house ergonomics expert disagrees with me, but all my back pain went away when I started working at home where I own an Aeron). I don't begrudge anyone that wants to go back to the office because sometimes the perks are good and getting out of the house is nice, but I've had enough of being tortured by open offices and shitty chairs.
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(the in-house ergonomics expert disagrees with me, but all my back pain went away when I started working at home where I own an Aeron)
If you have working health insurance, go to your doctor and complain. Eventually you can get yourself a note that will let you wield OSHA as an Aeron-acquiring device.
I too use an Aeron chair at home, and have been extremely happy with the results. And I bought it used for around $200, and it's still in pretty good shape even years later with my ~280lb ass on it. I actually have a job that can't be done from home and which is physical, so luckily for my chair, I haven't put on weight due to covid restrictio
Re: Quit? They won't let me go into the office! (Score:3)
Do you think t team meetings stop? No my wife has to go to work(she's and RN) however 90% of her job is paperwork. Their daily meetings are helf via zoom even though they are all in the same building and in many cases in adjecent rooms.( To stop crowding together.)
No once this is over I expect many meetings will still be zoom based. To stop the walking around the office if anything.
Re:Quit? They won't let me go into the office! (Score:5, Insightful)
Office politics, who wants them, any bloody one who wants a promotion, work from home and your career is DEAD. As a contractors, sure, you can expand your business from a one person operation but as an employee, unless you are approaching retirement, think again. You will be the first to be retrenched (you are not there to defend yourself), your time will be the first to be cut (nobody knows you, so nobody in the office cares). Working from home, it's a choice but your career will stagnate and die.
Want to work from home be a contractor doing contracts for more than one company, else, go to the office.
Re:Quit? They won't let me go into the office! (Score:4, Insightful)
work from home and your career is DEAD
Unless you are one of the rare employees who are likely worth 5x your salary, if you don't have a decent reason why you need to be in the office you probably don't have a decent reason why someone in Delhi cannot do your job.
I have been part of a couple acquisitions where the company we purchased had a significant number of remote employees. It worked well for these companies by making hiring easier in their formative years. Those were the ones where it was fairly easy to outsource most of the work without many negatives in the following years. On the flipside I have never seen success dissolving close knit teams with significant time working side by side. Just short term cost savings and loads of headaches down the line.
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I'm in an IT hardware support role and before Covid-19 I was doing three days in the office, working from home Mondays and Fridays. For me that was the optimal home/office balance.
Having three days in the office meant everyone knew where to find me, and it was good to catch up with the rest of the team. We also have a hardware test area downstairs which is great for hands-on learning during quiet periods. But if I was going away for the weekend I'd be packed and ready to leave the moment I logged out on a
Re:Quit? They won't let me go into the office! (Score:4, Insightful)
The success of working from home all really comes down to the culture built by executives. If the C-suite is in the office, the VPs will be in the office for face time. If the VPs are in the office, the directors will be. And so on down the line. Anyone with career growth aspirations will take a queue from their boss and their boss's boss to determine how much physical time in the office is required. If you and the leadership in your department are on different wave-lengths, your career prospects will diminish. That is fine for plenty of people, but not for most.
The worst is an office where most people go there every day but a minority of people are there a minority of time - 1-2 days a week, or less. The in-office people won't look further than across the desk to seek an opinion or a consensus. Discussions and agreements happen in ad-hoc meetings in the office (and the remote people are not invited, because no meeting room was available or it didn't have videoconference equipment or the in-office people just forgot).
You have to have either everyone remote (MySQL, the company, was one of the early pioneers of this, and almost every non-trivial open source project works like that) or you have to have a strong and deliberate focus on using communication methods that include remote people. No meetings without videoconference; all in-person discussions to be summarised in chat or email with the people not present engaged in further discussion; strong culture of written notes; no ignoring the chat or email while still answering your in-person questions.
This aspect of your organisational culture needs to be managed actively and continually - just like other aspects of your culture, such as non-confrontation and mutual respect, no -ism abuse (sexism, racism, etc), honesty and compliance with company rules, etc.
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Unless you are one of the rare employees who are likely worth 5x your salary, if you don't have a decent reason why you need to be in the office you probably don't have a decent reason why someone in Delhi cannot do your job.
Sure you do. Your company's officers just won't accept it.
The outsourcing of CSRs has been an unqualified disaster for quality of support and service. It's completely ruined ATT customer service, for example. And I do mean completely. But they give no fucks, so that didn't save anyone's jobs.
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Well, one reason would be that the someone in Dehli would have an awfully expensive expense report when they would have to visit a project site. Another would be the difference in time. And a third would be language issues. (Though there are some in our "office" that might have grea
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On the other hand working from home means you can work for anyone, not just people within commuting distance. Moving for work isn't exactly easy for a lot of people, especially if they have families or their partner works.
So if you do get passed up for promotion and raises it's much easier to quit and go somewhere else. Switching jobs usually brings higher rewards than annual raises anyway.
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Half our internal network security teams work from home. For 11 years now. With lower than expected turnover. Other teams have similar records, including mine.
You'll need to provide citations to buttress your assertion.
Yes absolutely (Score:2)
Easy decision.
29% ~ 1 in 3 (Score:5, Informative)
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nah, these are the workers who actually get shit done.
No (Score:3)
If I were in a cubicle, don't know what I'd do.
Re:No (Score:5, Informative)
Cubicle? Those cost money. The modern office is a loud open pit of hell.
Re:No (Score:4, Interesting)
Cubicle? Those cost money. The modern office is a loud open pit of hell.
Yep - our old office with the 6 foot high cube walls? I could go either way. The fancy new office with the 3 1/2 foot cube walls? What a dump! Keep me home as long as possible!
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Yes, this has been a trend I have seen over time. Larger cubicle walls are much nicer as it keeps the noise down without discouraging communications with those in neighboring cubes. But with each decade the walls have shrunk, and now in places like the new Apple campus there aren't any cubicles and it's first-come-first-served for a good seat at the table.
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I've been in IT for 20 years, mostly in the UK, and in every single place I have worked it has always been "no cubicle", just desks next to each other. Welcome to the club.
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Probably the worst technical job I ever had I actually had an office, with a door.
Yaaarrrrr! (Score:3)
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Yeah I dream of a cube.
Re:No (Score:5, Interesting)
About the only one who wants to go back is my boss. He's near retirement, doesn't have many friends or a social life, so work is about his entire human contact. He's desperate to hold court in his central cube office, where he can wave people going to the bathroom or to the printer in and yap at them for a half hour.
The rest of us are going to pitch a fit and do everything we can to not go back. We thrived for a year at home. Unless they can give us some real, concrete reasons why we need to go back, fuck that. I've got good, strong, cheap coffee, a view with natural light, cat friends who come say hello, PJs and a fireplace going, and I can ignore everything when I need to get work done.
My work got crazy busy with COVID interruptions, and I crushed it. If I was back in the sea of grey cubes, there's no way I could have gotten through this year. It only was 50% more efficiency which let me get everything done, on time, with good quality. That's what my org got out of me at home. And I should come back to the office why now?
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Open desks are worse. :(
Well, they may SAY that (Score:5, Insightful)
but if push comes to shove, how many really would "bolt"? I'm thinking pay checks are pretty popular and not many really would quit.
Re:Well, they may SAY that (Score:4, Interesting)
For us, our top performers have always been able to work remotely at least one day per week, and most two days. Mid-range performers will likely need to be allowed one day when this is over, but rank and file will really need to prove they can pull it off. The real barometer for everyone is how successful we are with training junior staff.
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I think few people would immediately quit. I think a whole bunch of people would immediately start polishing and distributing their resumes, though.
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I could quit today if I chose to. One thing that happened during the covids is that I started earning more on the stock market than from my very well paying job.
This was facilitated with WFH by having a personal laptop open during trading hours, next to my work setup. I have the numerical skills to do well with trading, but it's not a good look being in the office with your trading screen open all day.
On the other hand I do like working in the office. It's quiet and the engineering meetings are great when y
Re:Well, they may SAY that (Score:4, Interesting)
I am probably not representative of most people, but I have once quit (got another job first of course) because my employer required me to work more than 80% outside of my home office (which coincidentally has a lab better equipped than some of the offices I worked at). For almost 2 decades now, I have worked between 80% to 100% from home. My personal preference is half day a week from the office, the rest from home, better yet travel to the HQ for one week per quarter. This formula has allowed me to be most productive. Full disclosure though, I am not very productive in the "open office" environment, in the old days I used to be most productive in companies in which everyone had an office with a door. In open office environments I always ended up finding a lab somewhere on campus where nobody could find me, so I could be left undisturbed to do actual work (back then it was coding), while available to go to face-to-face meetings when needed.
I think the people who said they would quit, meant to say they would accept another job which allows them to work from home as much as they prefer, rather than quit without an alternative lined up. Whether or not this will be an option available to most of them, only time will tell.
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No. (Score:5, Funny)
But I'll keep working from home and dare them to fire me.
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I wouldn't, but I live 5 minutes from my office (Score:3)
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Parent (Ogive17) has hit the nail on the head.
The only thing I would say different is that I maintained the separation. 5:00PM and the work computer is OFF until the next morning. Other than that, he's got it exactly. Especially the impromptu stuff and the social interaction.
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It depends on your circumstances, you are lucky that your company provides a comfortable office within 8 minutes of where you live. For a lot of us this isn't the case.
For me, commuting time is over an hour and is costly, and that's a balance between being closer and paying a lot more for a much smaller place, vs being further away and having a nicer house for less money.
Our office is terrible, cheap uncomfortable (and often damaged) chairs, little/no equipment, slow internet etc. I generally have better fa
I've got "picnic tables" (Score:2)
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Move somewhere you can buy a larger house, and dedicate a room to work. When done with work, shut the door and live in the rest of the house and there's your separation. Depending on the size of your land, some people even have a separate building on their property dedicated as an office. For the cost of a small apartment in an expensive city, you should be able to get a decent house on a sizeable plot of land somewhere cheaper.
If you feel lonely working from home, make friends with your neighbours. If you
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It's a shame modern homes are so small, otherwise people could dedicated a study room to work to help maintain that separation.
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Even though I'm less than seven miles from my office, I hate going there in the morning. So, pre-pandemic I didn't. I rolled out of bed and worked from home for a couple of hours, then too
Don't quit. Negogiate. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Negotiate a 1-2d in office, 3-4d at home.
That is my plan. I've already demonstrated I can do my job as effectively from home as from the office.
If they don't agree to this, I'm not planning to quit. However my wife and I have already discussed my retiring several years early, if that's the case. We can certainly afford it.
No (Score:5, Insightful)
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I really miss an effective whiteboard with no social decorum beyond the threat of termination for insubordination. But, I would miss fresh air and ocean breezes.
Nope (Score:2)
I would only quit if I had to work. Location of lack of work matters none.
In the office every day (Score:2)
I go in just as I always have. Other than a few folks on the floor above me, the entire building is empty. It's amazing how much work can get done when you're by yourself.
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Return? (Score:2)
Hah. Some of us are 'essential' and never got to stay home in the first place.
-Necron69
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Same. Never needed to in 'straya.
Depends (Score:3)
My current job is remote and will be remote even after the pandemic; I work for a company with no central offices.
While having to commute to an office would be a negative for me, it might be outweighed by other factors and wouldn't alone be enough for me to quit. I would, however, never take a job that involved more than about 30 minutes of commuting each way. Life is too short to spend it commuting.
I still go in (Score:3)
The majority of the software people work from home but since I'm a hardware guy I still go in. The place is probably at 1/8 capacity and traffic is no problem. No downside here.
already back in office ... (Score:2)
Yes (Score:2)
Yes
Would You Quit If You Had To Return To the Office (Score:5, Interesting)
To answer the question depends entirely on the job, and the definition of "the Office" [sic - that's almost a TV show]. Go ahead and quit, and you'll soon find that you will fall behind others who are more adaptable. If you're good enough to make it on your own, you would/should have done that already. The question assumes you're "working for the man."
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This article is full of retardation, and we can assume the actual survey was retarded as well. Take this:
Just 7% of retail, wholesale and distribution center employees would switch jobs if they couldn't keep telecommuting.
I imagine retail and distribution center employees, who were never able to work from home, struggling to answer what they'd do if they couldn't work from home.
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Go ahead and quit, and you'll soon find that you will fall behind others who are more adaptable.
Maybe it's the businesses that need to be adaptable and they will fall behind if they can't attract quality workers.
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What a fucking stupid question. The OP should be glad they're still employed. To answer the question depends entirely on the job, and the definition of "the Office" [sic - that's almost a TV show]. Go ahead and quit, and you'll soon find that you will fall behind others who are more adaptable. If you're good enough to make it on your own, you would/should have done that already. The question assumes you're "working for the man."
Talk is cheap. Everyone talks big until the post-pandemic recession hits. Then you'll find 85% of people employed doing whatever you tell them to, while the other 15% wishes they had that problem.
Yes I would (Score:5, Interesting)
The reason I would is that I consider my life more worth than money. So I always save up for unexpected situations. I live by the question: "Would you be able to handle a year off with zero support from work or government?". Most people are recommended to save up at least 3 months salary to cope with unexpected expenses, a huge dentist bill, your house pipes breaking and causing extreme hidden damages etc.
That said, I work for a LARGE corporation, and they normally don't want people to work from home, but all that has changed because the pandemic forced us to go into e-commerce faster than we planned, this ended up being a huge blessing in disguise for the company as we needed to develop our tools faster and way ahead of time.
Also as a side bonus - our company discovered that people when working from home - actually work even more efficiently (I don't know if that is unique to us, since we mainly do IT Support for the company anyway), so the company decided that even if the Pandemic is over, anyone who wants to work from home will be able to do so in the future.
The company also saved an amazing amount of money on office costs, free lunches, coffee machines, cleaning, office equipment wear and tear etc. Plus co-workers who commuted from a long distance are more refreshed since they don't have to add-in extra travel time to their workday etc.
Re:Yes I would (Score:5, Funny)
That said, I work for a LARGE corporation, [...] forced us to go into e-commerce faster than we planned,
Hello time traveller!
Everything probably seems pretty good right now but let me tell you some fucked up shit is coming down the pipe in 20 years or so.
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I live by the question: "Would you be able to handle a year off with zero support from work or government?"
How much did it cost you to build a bunker with NBC protection and a year's worth of air supply and battery power?
This question needs geographical clarification (Score:2)
If I worked in any other country than Australia my answer would be quite different. But here, especially in my state of Queensland where just 1 new case of COVID during the week is news, I would be happy enough to go back to the office.
GOOD and this is why: (Score:5, Insightful)
When work can be done effectively from home (or ADAPT to be done from home) it's a vast, polluting, time-wasting disgrace to mandate meatbag gatherings in a central location.
Those unhappy with the change should be working to make WFH practical and efficient. Managers who want victim gatherings so they can bloviate to a captive audience should be ordered to change or shitcanned. Physical commuting is grotesquely wasteful of resources even if it didn't pollute. Forcing humans to commute is cruel and stressful.
Commuting reinforces one of the worst things about modern civilization, travel to urban areas. Trillions of dollars in infrastructure costs, neighborhoods destroyed for expressways (Robert Moses comes to mind) and other expensive social damage are consequences of the urban meat gathering business model. Humanity should evolve away from requiring personal contact for work where it is not absolutely essential.
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Re:GOOD and this is why: (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem for most people who move out of those urban areas is that they then end up living somewhere where they have to drive to do even the most basic things such as getting food. I choose to live in an urban area so I don't have to own a car and can commute by bicycle, foot or public transport. The real problem isn't centralised office working but rather suburban sprawl.
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The other problem related to these issues is the poor public transportation into and out of the cities. In most cases, trying to use public transportation for commuting in America is absolutely miserable if you have to go any substantial distance. In many cases, it's miserable even if you don't; When I lived in SF I could either drive for 15 minutes including parking, walk for an hour, or take a combination of bus and light rail for at best an hour and fifteen minutes.
Re:GOOD and this is why: (Score:5, Insightful)
And thousands of us can walk outside without waiting for an elevator.
Ou noes! Humans! (Score:2)
I would quit, if I couldn't work exclusively in the company office! (OK, buildings. It's not just office work.)
Including not wasting my own electricity, PC, chair, coffee, toilet, etc, without compensation.
But mostly including the people I work with!
Yes, I like the people I work with. They are pretty much the only humans I like, apart from my girlfriend. And it took me quite some time and luck to find such an amazing place.
(Look into everything that is not profit-focused, but has higher goals, while still b
Re:Ou noes! Humans! (Score:4, Interesting)
Including not wasting my own electricity, PC, chair, coffee, toilet, etc, without compensation.
Many offices do not provide free coffee, the coffee you buy in bulk at home is probably cheaper than the starbucks near the office.
The cost of electricity to run an extra laptop is pretty trivial compared to the cost of commuting for most people. I could run a rack full of power hungry servers plus cooling at home for the cost of commuting.
Most companies will provide you a laptop and not expect you to use your own equipment, they don't want their data ending up on devices outside of their control etc.
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Not Marathon Man, but Is It Safe? (Score:2)
For most of the pandemic, my county hospital (RN) has not been testing every patient admitted, nor did it test front-line staff who work with covid-infected patients. While this may surprise some of you, it's not rare among hospitals or clinics. For both patients and staff, they were tested only if they had symptoms. I didn't feel this was safe despite it following CDC guidelines at the time; I didn't quit, but I cut back to working all but the minimun of my contract, one day per week.
In early December CD
Western Australia (Score:2)
As long as this nasty UK strain stays away, we should be able to avoid another lockdown and keep going.
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Yes (Score:2)
Be careful what you wish for (Score:2)
When companies truly embrace teleworking, they soon discover that employees could just as easily be in Bangalore.
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Re: Be careful what you wish for (Score:2)
No, I meant that if your job can be telework, then it can be offshored.
Probably. (Score:2)
My department went from full time at office to full time at home in March 2020. At a couple of points last year the company tried to push for a partial return and we refused it while others acquiesced ... both returns lead to someone at the office w/ Covid and resulted in temporarily going back to "no one is allowed at the office!" situations.
At this point I doubt we'll see a push for a return until Covid is clearly centered in the rear view, and everyone is vaccinated.
That said, the company cut our pay ear
No, I enjoy being paid. (Score:2)
So, I guess I'm not a generalizable example in this case. Hell, my morning routine didn't change one bit between the end of 2019 and March 2020.
And I'd bet that what a lot of the people
The good side of the pandemic (Score:2)
I'll quit if I can't (Score:3)
I hate working remote. Its been the worst negative to my mental health of the entire experience. And the majority of people I've talked to agree. I'm perfectly ok with my coworkers making their own choice on the matter, but by this summer/fall when offices in NYC open up I will be quitting if mine doesn't.
Go back? (Score:2)
Most certainly (Score:2)
Pre-pandemic I was working remotely 2 days a week. Over the years I have had clients that allowed 100% remote work and for one of them worked remotely for an entire year without ever setting foot on their campus. Anyone that has worked as a consultant will know that you always get the cubicle that nobody else wants and the crappiest chairs.
My home office is a large room with a door and a huge window that overlooks the mountains. I have a bathroom right next door that I never have to wait to use. I don't hav
No (Score:2)
During the fall surge, we went back to remote work. However, I strongly suspect most of the transmission is from dining in close quarters. Sitting in a cubicle fa
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been in the office the whole time (Score:3)
Some of us have had to go to work the entire time, because the government deemed us essential. Essential, but less visible and less important than say front line medical workers. I have no sympathy for those that won't return to the office. Don't get me wrong I'm fine with working from home, but refusing to ever visit the office is lame. When its time, you need to put on your big girl panties and get back to work.
Must love traffic/wasted time (Score:3)
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... If the misanthropes stay at home, the office is even better!
This misanthrope agrees! My feline officemate is the best officemate I've ever had.