What a hateful troll you are! It would be a shame if you somehow lost your job, filed for bankruptcy, and had to get food stamps and free school lunch. But I guess you're too awesome to ever have bad times fall upon you because you are a super prepper right? Got 22 years of savings squirrelled away and enough food to feed Cambodia for 15 years stored in your bomb proof shelter right? RIGHT?

BACK UNDER YOUR BRIDGE!

So you want high school to run like a college. Ok, I'm good with that. A very logical argument.

However when you say there is no good reason I have to disagree. You will disagree with this assement but it is founded out here in the real world and not from ideological texts. Baby sitters. The way our economy has developed since the Brady Bunch years of the 1950's, a family really can't afford to have a stay at home mom. So both parents have to work. In case you haven't noticed school really is a glorified babysitter who happens to also teach kids a few things. Allowing the students to have flexibility directly effects the adults abilities to have order. Parents bring home the money, they keep the kids fed. So yeah, their schedule takes priority over the child's no matter how much sense it may make. I think we as a society have forgotten one of the key lessons of life. Life is a cold hearted bitch. The very worst thing a parent can do is try to make thier kids worldproof. I gotta get my ass up at 0530 to go to work then dammit you are gonna get your ass up at 0530 to go to school. I don't like it, you don't like it, but it's just what you have to do to survive in the real world. When I go to this job, I am gonna work, make some money, and not get fired. When you go to school, you are gonna work, make passing grades, and not get expelled. If you can't because you are too tired from gaming or whatever then I am gonna take those phones/xboxen/whatever and back over them with a truck. You will hate me now, but thank me later. You don't cater the world to fit the kids, you make the kids fit the world. THAT ensures survivabilty.

And yeah I know you said by the time they are old enough. You neglect that some parents just don't ever trust thier kids. Ever. I got great stories about about people in thier 30s and 40s who still get told by thier parents where they will go and when they'll go to bed. But that's for another thread.

You call it like you see it. I like that. You wanna know why I want to dodge all these little taxes then, if we're gonna speak honestly? Cause all those rich assholes get to dodge millions in taxes every year but when you or I try to get a break of $2 then we are evil little bastards who are a leech on society and we should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Why is it ok for them and not for us? I imagine you'll say it's not. Then why are you berating us, your fellow middle classers, and giving them a free pass? Many people here and even the rich folks I refer to, have stated many times that it is your duty to pay as little tax as possible and one should actively work towards this goal. So when we find us a way to save a buck or 2 suddenly it's problem that needs fixed. It'll get fixed too cause it is to the big boys advantage. But when we want one of their loopholes patched up what do we get? A bunch of fucking nothing. So let's hear your opinion on the matter.

I would like to know more!

And that response is the same thing as a 4 year old plugging their ears and saying "nanannananannana I can't hear you." Even if the math & ideology point to a reduction in future spending, which they do and you point out, out here in the Real World where I live, jobs are being cut. I know. I got laid off because of this. So just because you wanna scream that it's just less money than you were gonna spend doesn't make the effects any less significant. This is affecting real people with real families to feed and those people at the top who pushed this down on us conveniently made themselves immune. Stop cheerleading this bullshit. You're part of the problem and by the looks of how 'Insightful' fellow Slashdotters have modded you, we got a lot of assholes in here.

All that bitly link did was link back to this /. post. Was that supposed to be the joke? If so, then I earn a WHOOSH (though I still don't get it). I fully expected to see this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc


PS: bitly links are stupid. Just post a regular URL already. We aren't on twitter.

I'll try to clear a bit of that up. Some soldiers, even when off-duty, love to be seen in their uniforms. They are proud of who they are, the organization that they serve, and want everyone to know it. True pride in thier work if you will because that is a core principle ingrained in them during training. The backpackers aren't typically running with their gear, as was originally mentioned they are walking along side. Some to just get that road march type training in, sometimes because they are EMT volunteers so they carry appropriate gear, and sometimes just as a show of solidairity and support. Also there can and have been events like that where a military person could have been participating, sponsored by his unit. I don't know if this marathon in particular consisted of those but you can't rule it out. Post 911 at least, it has been general policy of the military though to not wear your uniform in public unless you are enroute to work. This is to minimize attacks of opportunity and as general operation security protocol. Some don't heed that advice however, possibly because of the "romantic" visions of the WW2 days where soldiers were loved and respected by the public and they wish to try and revive that spirit. Again that's a pride thing. Hope that helps.

Doesn't matter at all. The damage to one's reputation has already been done, much like once you're accused of being a pedo, that stink sticks around a long long time. This kind of crowdsourced BS is just a fancy new buzzword for mob justice/mob rule with all the negatives that entails.

Hehe I think you may have reinforced my point. You didn't make any descriptive statement about them so when you say they look like all the other officers around there I envision all the officers I have around here. God we got a lot of fat ass cops....

The SRO's btw are also actual County police, uniform, badge, gun the whole shebang.

"taking the piss"
Now that is a British euphamism that I just can't seem to wrap my head around every time I hear it. Even though it's English (language), it just doesn't seem to translate to American well at all.

Well now hold on. The same can be said of school cops called SRO's around here. Have you actually seen these guys? Not the creme of the crop I assure you.

Oh I'm ex-military so I am quite agreeable to a force response that is quite proportional to that being used against you. I was just poking a stick at the AC troll :)

That's just being pedantic. We have tranquilizer darts which are analagous. Sad little troll.

Your post has 2 issues:

1) It's never good enough for many people. He increased from 2 to 15%. That is a substantial gain. If that were in the financial market investors would be popping champagne. Should we automatically assume that he should rest on his laurels and stop increasing it? Most likely not. That becomes a matter of opinion though about what the proper mixture of men and women, race or whatever other areas are covered under policies like this. I have no opinion on that detail other than you should have the proper personnel makeup to accomplish your task in the most effective manner. To immediately rebuke this particular effort is though just starts a chain of goalpost moving which accomplishes nothing. What if next year it increases to 20%? Is that enough? Some will say no and say we need more so maybe he redoubles his efforts and makes it to 30% the next year. Is that enough? Some will say no, rinse and repeat. At least he is doing something positive because in this economy I am happy if anyone has a job, especially engineers cause that's my trade.

2) You found and demonstrated why alot of people use percentages. The way you apply them can make your results appear bigger or smaller than they are. As you said the article states 15% so that went from 1 to 5 total engineers. 5 does sound small doesn't it? So to make it look bigger convert it to a percentage. People like you and I will catch that but laymen or those who just aren't interested will just kinda gloss over it. You can go the other way too. Say there's something that has killed 100,000 people. That is a lot of people. But if you were trying to deny the issue or block legislation or something similar then you could convert that to a percentage and say (just an example) "That's less than 1% of the population!" Now that doesn't sound so bad anymore. Less than 1%? Statistically insignificant most would say. Don't tell that to the families of the dead though.

I was not attempting to put words in your mouth. I gave an example, the slavery part, of why deferring to consensus will get you bit. You did claim consensus should negate her opinion because the way that whole last paragraph reads, it's implied. If you weren't attempting to imply anything, restate your argument.

You do claim violence *likely* contributed. This I completely disagree with. There is no evidence that the Nature vs. Nurture argument has been settled. Your argument says if daddy beat him then he is more likely to beat others. Stats will say if I am poor then I am more likely to stay poor. Both of those statements are negated everyday by people like me. And before you claim outlier, read my stats post response to tehcyder which is in this thread.

Why did I think you were offended/incensed/defensive? Because girlintraining's post was mostly neutral (that sensationalist garbage part did start sway it the other way though I'll concede) and fairly compassionate but you took the complete opposite stance and used words such as "screams predisposition." People who scream are often offended. To back that up, your last post, when boiled down, said "the writers of wiki all agree so why listen to you?" That is why I can rule out that you weren't screaming because you were happy or excited. Those little words, man, what a pain in the ass. Everyday laws are negated & criminals set free because of how something is worded. Us debaters call that rules lawyering and it'll make or break any argument.

And finally it was because you played the Godwin card. That's what even caught my attention in the first place. Had you not said it, I probably wouldn't have even responded. The Godwin card is like a nuke. You don't fire that one off unitl you got nothing left, a hail Mary if you will. To open with it is generally an attempt to shutdown discussion completely because it's a corollary to it's definition which is: the longer a debate goes on, the likely hood of someone mentioning Hitler or Nazi's increases exponentially. The commonly accepted corollary to that is once it does, game over man! Godwin's have alot of power. With great power comes great responsibility. Don't just go throwing them out there!