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Elon Musk Warns Twitter Users, 'You Are Being Manipulated by the Algorithm' (twitter.com) 281

Twitter's potential new owner just made this announcement to his 93.1 million followers. "Very important to fix your Twitter feed," the annoncement began: 1. Tap home button.
2. Tap stars on upper right of screen.
3. Select "Latest tweets".

You are being manipulated by the algorithm in ways you don't realize.

Easy to switch back & forth to see the difference.

Currently it's been pinned to the top of Elon Musk's Twitter feed. And minutes later, he added this reply to his own tweet. "This message brought to you by the Illuminaughty."

Hours later Musk posted some clarification. "I'm not suggesting malice in the algorithm, but rather that it's trying to guess what you might want to read and, in doing so, inadvertently manipulate/amplify your viewpoints without you realizing this is happening.

"Not to mention potential bugs in the code. Open source is the way to go to solve both trust and efficacy."

Musk's motivation isn't clear — but just minutes earlier he'd tweeted a reply to own tweet from Friday that had suggested Twitter users check a sample of 100 Twitter accounts for the percentage of fake/spam/duplicate accounts. "I picked 100 as the sample size number," Musk had added as a reply Friday, "because that is what Twitter uses to calculate less than 5% fake/spam/duplicate." Musk's follow-up tweet today?

"Twitter legal just called to complain that I violated their NDA by revealing the bot check sample size is 100! This actually happened."

The tweets follow three more from the last 24 hours which all apparently comment wryly on Musk's planned acquisition of Twitter. "Whoever thought owning the libs would be cheap never tried to acquire a social media company!" Musk tweeted earlier this afternoon. "At least, that's what the lib hivemind thinks haha."

And an earlier tweet appeared to allude to his recently-expressed interest in the number of fake/spam accounts on Twitter. Friday night, Elon Musk tweeted:

"The bots are angry at being counted."
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Elon Musk Warns Twitter Users, 'You Are Being Manipulated by the Algorithm'

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  • Great job! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by aerogems ( 339274 ) on Saturday May 14, 2022 @07:42PM (#62534006)

    The self-proclaimed genius has figured out what has been all over the media for over a year now.

  • by Berkyjay ( 1225604 ) on Saturday May 14, 2022 @07:44PM (#62534014)

    Ya know, if he just took away the idiotic political claptrap he's fallen into, one could argue that he makes some good points.

    • It's not good points, it's market manipulation. I don't know what the SEC is going to do about this, but it's probably nothing. Again.
  • Irony (Score:2, Informative)

    by asackett ( 161377 )

    Musk, who deploys tweet bots to boost the share price of his companies, warning users that they're being manipulated.

  • ...when it falls through, he will just say the books were cooked or that Twitter cancelled for no reason or whatever.

    • ...when it falls through, he will just say the books were cooked or that Twitter cancelled for no reason or whatever.

      He said that? I heard that he stated explicitly that he was still interested in the purchase. I don't think he said what you think he said.

      Twitter made a recent filing 10-Q [cloudfront.net] where they estimated the number of spam/fake/bot accounts at less than 5%:

      We have performed an internal review of a sample of accounts and estimate that the average of false or spam accounts
      during the first quarter of 2022 represented fewer than 5% of our mDAU during the quarter. The false or spam accounts for a period represents the average of
      false or spam accounts in the samples during each monthly analysis period during the quarter. In making this determination, we applied significant judgment, so
      our estimation of false or spam accounts may not accurately represent the actual number of such accounts, and the actual number of false or spam accounts
      could be higher than we have estimated.

      This is in the official quarterly report, filing with the SEC. If twitter is shown to be off by a little, maybe possibly even being off by 100% (10% of total accounts instead of 5%), then that might pass muster.

      If the total amount is *significantly greater* than 5

      • It's worth noting that number of accounts and daily active accounts is different.

        There may be reasons that bots don't get monetized.

        Twitter could be 50% bots but the 5% claim still be true.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        For them to be lying they would have to know it wasn't true. More likely, if the number is more than 5% it's because their technology can't detect those fake accounts.

        5% is probably about right. The influence that fake accounts have is disproportional. They are after all designed to be propaganda machines. It might seem like there are more of them because of that.

      • That's an extremely insightful take.

        So it seems that Twitter only used a sample size of 100 to get their 5% estimation. With such a small number protected by NDA, it seems like it was picked on purpose. With all the computing resources Twitter has, surely they can afford a larger sample size! Maybe that's the largest size they could run and get an honest 5%? With all the caveats and specific verbiage in their filing, they're not telling a lie so they're in the clear... But it definitely seems like an intent

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday May 14, 2022 @07:58PM (#62534044)
    It's painfully obvious he's actively trying to undermine the company so that he can buy it for a lower price because with the stock market dips and the drop in cryptocurrency and his dependence on a financer who's heavily invested in cryptocurrency you no longer have the money to buy Twitter.

    I'm no lawyer but I do believe what he is doing here is extremely illegal. You're not allowed to manipulate stock market prices in order to make purchases. But laws don't apply when you've got as much money as he does. I just don't understand why we tolerate having these elites be above the law. If you are I pulled this crap we'd be hauled in front of Congress if we were lucky and probably slapped and cuffs
    • Yeah, it's basically like letting termites loose at a house you're interested in buying. Problem with that is, you may get a better deal, but now you've got a pest problem to address. Maybe there's a bit more to that analogy..

      I'd like to see Musk get punished. Hell, I'd like to see Trump face justice for some of what he's gotten away with, too. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. As you said, these sort of people aren't who the laws are written for. Laws only apply to the plebs.

    • I genuinely don't see how he can purchase Twitter at a lower price. He already signed a contract for the agreed price.

      Even if he somehow convinces Twitter to let the contract breach slide and start over, shareholders would be (understandably) furious. The Twitter board would drown in lawsuits.

      • by omnichad ( 1198475 ) on Saturday May 14, 2022 @09:13PM (#62534220) Homepage

        The purchase contract likely includes terms for due diligence and that important findings of things not disclosed can lead to renegotiations of the purchase price.

        • It does not. The only bailout provisions are either party paying $1bn, on common agreement, or a successful a Material Adverse Effect court claim.

          I guess he's aiming for the latter, but there's zero chance it goes through. Unless Twitter has been somehow blatantly lying on their SEC filings over the past 5-ish years.

          • It does not. The only bailout provisions are either party paying $1bn, on common agreement, or a successful a Material Adverse Effect court claim.

            I guess he's aiming for the latter, but there's zero chance it goes through. Unless Twitter has been somehow blatantly lying on their SEC filings over the past 5-ish years.

            So Musk tanks the stock price, then announces "oh, the company is failing, my new offer is $35B, if you don't want it then I'll pay the $1B severance".

            Granted, Musk is fairly media savvy so he might not do this for fear of the bad press from screwing over the retail shareholders.

            • So Musk tanks the stock price, then announces "oh, the company is failing, my new offer is $35B, if you don't want it then I'll pay the $1B severance".

              As noted, only if Twitter agrees. Why wouldn't they sue Musk if it comes to that?

          • "Here's my new offer. You'll find it most generous considering the value of your company. Of course, the board remains the way it is, no changes planned (save one or two necessary ones).

            If you disagree, I'll pay the 1b and let you crash and burn, and the whole board is SOL.

            You have a minute to decide."

            • Yeah, with the caveat of that being blatantly illegal.

              And also you're wrecking the value of the company you're trying to buy in the process.

          • Unless you've seen the actual contract, I would be hesitant to claim that there is no due diligence provision.

            (A due diligence provision is a provision where the purchaser examines the company purchased to see if the purchaser is getting what the seller claims. Determining the number of actual active users and users who are bots would normally be part of due diligence.)

            Because due diligence provisions are standard boilerplate and don't get mentioned in news stories about contract terms. But they're omnipre

      • He signed a contract in which the contract states certain things about Twitter, notably the % of bots.

        If I sign a contract to buy a house and the contract says the house does not have mold, and I discover it is completely filled with mold, the contract would be broken.
        • No, he did not. He agreed to purchase the company at a price, given (among others) the information Twitter publicly releases in SEC filings, which is where the ~5% figure comes from.

          He can of course claim that Twitter lied on this, which involves a Material Adverse Effect claim in courts, but these very rarely, if ever, succeed. A lot of people used MAEs to try renegotiate deals made before the COVID pandemic hit, and very few succeeded.

      • I genuinely don't see how he can purchase Twitter at a lower price. He already signed a contract for the agreed price.

        Even if he somehow convinces Twitter to let the contract breach slide and start over, shareholders would be (understandably) furious. The Twitter board would drown in lawsuits.

        I don't know if it's legal or not but... The current turmoil of future of Twitter is sinking Twitter's market price. If Elon Musk take this chance to buy more Twitter stock in market, he will need to pay less in actual acquisition?

        • If Elon Musk take this chance to buy more Twitter stock in market, he will need to pay less in actual acquisition?

          Oh, it would be very illegal. But then again, the Tesla stock he's taking loans on to pay for the purchase has fell 30% in the last month or so as well.

          It was a dumb purchase before, and it is even dumber now.

    • by sinij ( 911942 )
      I think Musk's defense team would have very easy time with this one - all of it is true and most of it publicly available information.
    • Remember the golden rule.

      Who has the gold makes the rule.

  • by slack_justyb ( 862874 ) on Saturday May 14, 2022 @08:07PM (#62534060)

    Musk and Trump are two incredibly big examples of what I call this current period the age of the grift. Like if you didn't know this already about Twitter, you just weren't paying attention. So considering that I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Musk isn't a complete idiot, he tweeted this for the exact purpose to tank Twitter's stock price.

    And par for the course, nothing will be done by the current US administration because, IDK, the President is too busy taking a fucking nap or something. But to be fair, the previous President would have fucking pinned a medal on Musk for him being "the absolute best person, nobody is better than him, everyone agrees he's the best."

    We're fucked when the only two political parties we've got are such fucking useless excuses for governance. One's too busy trying to regulate a woman's uterus and the other is too busy telling us that a woman's uterus is the most important thing facing America today. You know what? How about skipping the civics bullshit and ensuring this market manipulation stops fucking happening seeing how all our retirements are tied to this shit and a single guy has decided to de-bro-stroy the thing we've hitched are wagons to. And while someone, literally anyone is at it, how about addressing some of this inflation too. Civil rights aren't going to really mean shit if we're at each other's throat because no one can afford food.

    • by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Saturday May 14, 2022 @08:22PM (#62534096)
      I want a third party that funds a govt program into artificial uteruses and cloning. No more women means we can finally concentrate on important stuff like building sex dolls.
      • by dynamo ( 6127 )

        I want a third party, but I don't think the one you have in mind is going to get enough people behind it to break the duopoly.

        I'm more looking for one that will get us single payer (aka first world) healthcare by any means necessary. But the fewer people voting for the two scam parties, the better.

        • Unless you also change the first-past-the-post system, all you do within a decade or two, is to end up with two different parties. We've been there before.

        • by ghoul ( 157158 )
          Will Universal Healthcare cover men's reproductive needs? Men have a biological drive to ejaculate thrice a day. I propose every place with a lactation room should also have a Ejaculation room. Condoms in dispensers, a comfortable chair and good wifi is all thats needed. The world would be a much nicer place if men were not walking around with a permanent case of PMS.
    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday May 14, 2022 @08:23PM (#62534100)
      It's too busy cleaning up the messes left over from the last president to worry about what Mr M is up to. I mean there's the war in Ukraine which didn't need to happen had we properly provided aid in advance instead of trying to shake their president down for dirt on a political rival. There's the out of control global inflation caused by a combination of profiteering and the lingering effects of an ongoing pandemic, both of which could have been mitigated if we had had a proper response and proper government regulation in place. And a whole bunch of political capital is currently being expended trying to figure out what to do about women's reproductive Rights.

      A little stock market manipulation is way down the totem pole of things that our president has time to deal with.
      • by HiThere ( 15173 )

        No. Congress is nearly deadlocked, so nothing substantive can be done. Anything Biden does can just be reversed by whoever comes next. Sometimes I think this is the best that government can do, but the defect is that it encourages the executive branch to become an autocracy.

        • Biden and the Dems have a majority in both houses. Everything that happens is on Biden and Pelosi right now, they hold all the power, from Afghanistan to Ukraine to China and COVID, they got gifted an automatic recovery on which to capitalize, instead they blame everyone else, weâ(TM)re supposedly still in COVID emergency mode even though nobody worries about shots or masks anymore.

          The problem is their political stance on everything is so far to the left they canâ(TM)t even get a majority of lefti

          • by DocJohn ( 81319 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @09:00AM (#62535364) Homepage

            Unfortunately not as simple as that. You need a full-on 60 clear votes in the Senate to stop the filibuster -- which is a requirement for ANY kind of controversial (e.g., one-sided) legislation.

            This is why when either party has a majority in the Senate, they usually still can't get all the things done they want, because it's rare for either party to have that full 60 number. (Also, Dems have 2 Senators right now that vote along conservative lines more often than their own party.)

        • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @12:38AM (#62534532)
          Keep bouncing back and forth between the two parties anymore. 96% of all jobs since 1989 were created by democrats. Google it it's a fact. The economy does substantially better as do working Americans when Democrats are in charge. Again a little googling and you'll find multiple studies proving this.

          It's not even hard to see why. Go read newt Gingrich's Wikipedia article and you'll find that the gridlock is entirely caused by the Republicans who blamed the damage caused by it on Democrats and use that to get power during election cycles. Gingrich called it his contract with America strategy. Personally I call it smash and grab. Either that or political terrorism because the goal is to cause chaos and fear so that voters will blame the Democrats in hand the reins of power over to Republicans.

          We've watched this song and dance multiple times. There's no reason at this point to continue to repeat it. One party is objectively better than the other. And you can get around the problems of one party rule just by voting and primary elections for the Democratic Party. Plus given time the Republican Party can die off in the Democratic Party can split into a left and a right wing.

          There's no longer any reason to let right wing extremists hold political office in America. All conservative policies can be effective right-wing policies have been shown consistently and repeatedly to not be only ineffective but actively damaging.
    • Why do you think it is in the elite's interest to "do something about inflation"? The elites want back in power to further lower the elite's taxes so they keep prices and profits high, and everyone complains and points their finger at the government instead of the elites. Trump's trillion dollar tax cut for the elites wasn't enough. The elites cause some problems, then tell the people they need to give all power to the elites if they want it fixed because they are the only ones who can fix things. The s
    • And par for the course, nothing will be done by the current US administration because, IDK, the President is too busy taking a fucking nap or something.

      Because it's Twitter. In the grand scheme of things, the average American is more concerned with the rising cost of living and various other pocketbook and social issues, not whether or not they'll be able to get their doomscrolling fix through Twitter.

      Musk can flush the service down the toilet after buying it, and I'll still be paying whatever awful price gas is going for. I'll still be worried about political issues that affect my rights as a gay man. I'll still have to go grocery shopping and say "wha

    • by sinij ( 911942 )
      There is a huge difference between suspecting something is true and seeing someone prominent saying the same and have many people support the message. There is a huge difference in the level of certainty. So yes, Musk stating something obvious for techies is still a public service.
    • The issues you raise (reproductive freedom in particular, civil liberties in general) are incredibly useful means of keeping the populace at each other's throats and generally ignoring some really important issues of financial policy, international trade policy, and matters of global and domestic economics. The decisions made on these fronts are not put to vote (or are put to shame votes only), but they impact us and the whole world in a profound and fundamental way.

      We don't get a say, because America is a [washingtontimes.com]

    • by Jeremi ( 14640 )

      And par for the course, nothing will be done by the current US administration because, IDK, the President is too busy taking a fucking nap or something.

      Musk has learned one thing from Trump -- throw red meat at the Republican base, and they'll give you political cover for practically anything you want to do afterwards. Then every crime gets reduced in the media to a he-said/she-said culture-war fight, and after the noise dies down, you can skate.

      If the DOJ were to step in and prosecute Musk, you can just imagine the howls from the right wing about government censorship and freedom and Musk is being politically persecuted and blah blah blah. So the Presid

    • by Tom ( 822 )

      One, if the stock price can be dumped with a few silly Tweets, then it's obviously not a stable company (and/or not a stable financial system).

      Two, you're not the only country with imbeciles at the helm. I've been looking at my home country (Germany) with more disgust every election. Nowadays it seems like being a loser without proper qualifications for anything is almost a precondition to get a government position. Then I realize no, wrong, the main and increasingly only qualifications are being a proper p

  • While in general I don't care about twitter, anyone doing this to a company should be at least gagged until their deal to purchase said company does or does not go through.

    There is a conflict between him trying to buy and trying to harm it's value. At this point it is not just a hostile takeover but an attempt to destroy the company's reputation.

    Buy it or do not, until then STFU.
  • Looks like you're the last person to realize what a shit deal buying Twitter is.

  • I'm shocked! Not really! Does make one wonder about the rest of the social media herd and their numbers. But then the advertising dollars spent must work for the companies doing it. If the ROI is not there no one would keep buying the ads and data.
    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Actually, studies have shown that the vast majority of advertisers, especially the bigger ones, are not getting anything remotely close to value for money.

      They keep doing it for the classic reason. Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM. Also, the marketing department has a vested interest in convincing everyone else that giving money to the marketing department is a good idea. And they *are* the marketing department after all.

  • by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Saturday May 14, 2022 @09:57PM (#62534280)

    Fat words from someone totally manipulated by the right. Anakin has totally become Darth Vader. He's acting like the left never gave him the carbon credits and tax breaks that helped Tesla survive its hardest years. Guaranteed he's convinced himself Tesla never needed it. I am pretty sure's already been convinced global warming is a myth.

    • by ichthus ( 72442 )

      Fat words from someone totally manipulated by the right.

      Who's manipulating him?

      Anakin has totally become Darth Vader.

      Uh, are you drunk?

  • You are being manipulated by Musk himself too.

  • by BishopBerkeley ( 734647 ) on Saturday May 14, 2022 @10:48PM (#62534330) Journal

    He would have his sycophants believe that this is the digital D-day.

    yawn

  • by peppepz ( 1311345 ) on Sunday May 15, 2022 @02:38AM (#62534674)
    Remember that Internet 1.0 rule about trolls? If you give them attention, they multiply. Keep writing news pieces for every nonsense that comes out of his mouth and you'll get more and more of it.
  • It's been a while since I did stats but I think the 95% confidence interval for a sample size of 100 and a true mean of 5% is [0.73, 9.27].

    I'm not sure what's going into the reasoning for Twitter's inhouse 100 user sample (if they do it on a regular basis it's more meaningful) but if you're doing a $44B acquisition and only taking a 100 user sample I'd say you're trolling more than doing your due diligence.

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