Tech CEO Apologizes After His Arrest Over Capitol Hill Protests (variety.com) 306
"Turning digital data into profit," is the slogan of Cognesia, a data analytics company whose client list includes Visa, Rolls-Royce, and Toys 'R' Us.
Now Variety reports: Brad Rukstales, the chief executive of a Chicago-area company that provides data-marketing solutions, said he was arrested Wednesday after he entered the U.S. Capitol alongside a mob of pro-Trump rioters seeking to overturn the 2020 presidential election...
"Our CEO, Brad Rukstales, participated in the recent Washington DC protests," Schaumburg, Illinois-based Cognesia said in a statement Thursday. "Those actions were his own and [and he was] not acting on behalf [of] Cogensia nor do his actions in any way reflect the policies or values of our firm..."
Rukstales, in his own statement posted on Twitter, apologized for what he called "the single worst personal decision of my life."
"In a moment of extremely poor judgment following the Jan. 6 rally in Washington, I followed hundreds of others through an open set of doors to the Capitol building to see what was taking place inside," Rukstales wrote. "I was arrested for the first time in my life and charged with unlawful entry." He continued, "My decision to enter the Capitol was wrong, and I am deeply regretful to have done so," adding that he "condemn[ed] the violence and destruction that took place in Washington."
Twitter now reports that Cognesia's account "no longer exists." (This after their tweeted statement received dozens of unrelentingly negative comments.) Their LinkedIn profile includes a link to a more recent announcement that CEO Rukstales "has been terminated by the company's Board of Directors effective immediately," with their new CEO saying Rukstales' actions "were inconsistent with the core values of Cogensia. Cogensia condemns what occurred at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, and we intend to continue to embrace the values of integrity, diversity and transparency in our business operations, and expect all employees to embrace those values as well."
Thursday CEO Rukstales shared his memory of Wednesday's events with a local news crew. "It was great to see a whole bunch of people together in the morning and hear the speeches, but it turned into chaos... I had nothing to do with charging anybody or anything or doing any of that. I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and I regret my part in that."
And Rukstales' written apology is still online.
"Without qualification and as a peaceful and law-abiding citizen, I condemn the violence and destruction that took place in Washington," Rukstales wrote. "I offer my sincere apologies for my indiscretion, and I deeply regret that my actions have brought embarrassment to my family, colleagues, friends and fellow countrymen..."
"I have no excuse for my actions and I wish I could take them back."
Now Variety reports: Brad Rukstales, the chief executive of a Chicago-area company that provides data-marketing solutions, said he was arrested Wednesday after he entered the U.S. Capitol alongside a mob of pro-Trump rioters seeking to overturn the 2020 presidential election...
"Our CEO, Brad Rukstales, participated in the recent Washington DC protests," Schaumburg, Illinois-based Cognesia said in a statement Thursday. "Those actions were his own and [and he was] not acting on behalf [of] Cogensia nor do his actions in any way reflect the policies or values of our firm..."
Rukstales, in his own statement posted on Twitter, apologized for what he called "the single worst personal decision of my life."
"In a moment of extremely poor judgment following the Jan. 6 rally in Washington, I followed hundreds of others through an open set of doors to the Capitol building to see what was taking place inside," Rukstales wrote. "I was arrested for the first time in my life and charged with unlawful entry." He continued, "My decision to enter the Capitol was wrong, and I am deeply regretful to have done so," adding that he "condemn[ed] the violence and destruction that took place in Washington."
Twitter now reports that Cognesia's account "no longer exists." (This after their tweeted statement received dozens of unrelentingly negative comments.) Their LinkedIn profile includes a link to a more recent announcement that CEO Rukstales "has been terminated by the company's Board of Directors effective immediately," with their new CEO saying Rukstales' actions "were inconsistent with the core values of Cogensia. Cogensia condemns what occurred at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, and we intend to continue to embrace the values of integrity, diversity and transparency in our business operations, and expect all employees to embrace those values as well."
Thursday CEO Rukstales shared his memory of Wednesday's events with a local news crew. "It was great to see a whole bunch of people together in the morning and hear the speeches, but it turned into chaos... I had nothing to do with charging anybody or anything or doing any of that. I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and I regret my part in that."
And Rukstales' written apology is still online.
"Without qualification and as a peaceful and law-abiding citizen, I condemn the violence and destruction that took place in Washington," Rukstales wrote. "I offer my sincere apologies for my indiscretion, and I deeply regret that my actions have brought embarrassment to my family, colleagues, friends and fellow countrymen..."
"I have no excuse for my actions and I wish I could take them back."
To see what was taking place inside (Score:5, Insightful)
Tech CEO can't afford a TV? I'm on the other side of the world and I could see what was taking place inside. Why do I get the feeling he's lying.
Re:To see what was taking place inside (Score:5, Insightful)
Why do I get the feeling he's lying.
Because he is. This was not "a moment of extremely poor judgment ". This was someone who deliberately traveled from Chicago to Washington DC and deliberately took part in a riot.
Re:To see what was taking place inside (Score:5, Insightful)
And he doesn't regret doing it - he regrets getting caught. Every person there knew exactly what they where doing.
Re: To see what was taking place inside (Score:5, Interesting)
What was that about popular delusions and the madness of crowds? They were all deluded and driven mad by their leader well before they arrived that day. I have no excuse for my actions That's because they are inexcusable.
Re:To see what was taking place inside (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, it's possible he does regret it, but that doesn't excuse anything.
The whole point of going into a mob like that is to experience intense, violent, cathartic emotion. Possibly doing things you didn't plan and will probably regret later is part of the thrill. It's like playing with matches. You're still responsible for the outcome, because it's entirely predictable. If you can't restrain yourself, don't go, or go and take the consequences.
Re:To see what was taking place inside (Score:5, Insightful)
The word you're looking for is "insurrection". They brought guns, bombs, and a gallows.
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Some of them. Others were rubes.
I wonder if the insurrectionists were even formally organized. Or if it was a coincidence of multiple lone wolves. It's almost laughable how stupid it was. But even concentrated stupidity ended up killing people.
Re:To see what was taking place inside (Score:5, Insightful)
This was someone who deliberately traveled from Chicago to Washington DC and deliberately took part in a riot.
Of the few people I know that were there. Their idea of how it would work out was very different from what actually happened. One person I know is quite haunted by the experience, being one of the first times they ever took part in any kind of political rally or protest. I feel sorry for them that it turned out so badly. But millions of us also warned them for a decade about some of this far-right extremism and the kinds of people it attracts, and the kinds of lies people are fed watching FOX and the various radio talk shows. It's a case of "I told you so".
It was a mixed bag of people. A lot of people who were not violent make a spontaneous decision to step inside a federal building. I don't know how else to say this but if you're in a crushing mob, get out. Don't keep going forward and literally trample people to death. When the dust settles, if you're an otherwise good and decent person, you're going to regret participating for the rest of your life.
Some of the people there were sick violent extremists. They were there hoping to bring down the current government and replace it with a new one. They're the type that believes in cabals of elites in a new world order, and have weird power fantasies of being greater than they are. They're people who are losers in real life, and blame imaginary enemies for bringing them down. And the most extreme of them are ready to throw away their life on a mistaken belief they can amount to something by joining a new revolution. Even in a successful coup, they don't rise to the top but remain sad pathetic losers that fade away in history. There's no quick fix to turn your life around, but that's what these nutters are looking for.
Prison for some. Probation and fines for others. And ideally some soul searching for everyone. Because Christ on a cracker, nobody even brought a list of demands or had any organizers to direct people to have sit-ins or disruptive chants. Did they think they cleared the level as soon as they touched some magic checkpoint inside the Capitol? Do a little end-goal football dance while saving America? It's so goddamn childish that it's hard to not shake these people.
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The Conservative Media Really Wants You to Think the Capitol Riot Is the Left’s Fault [newrepublic.com]
Denial and conspiracy theories: how rightwing media reacted to Trump's mob [theguardian.com]
Rep. Matt Gaetz and other GOP politicians baselessly suggest antifa is to blame for pro-Trump mob rioting into Capitol [washingtonpost.com]
And let's not forget that 147 members of Congress officially rejected the results of the election after the
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It's a mob mentality. I remember after Trump was elected a crowd of people decided to protest by blocking a freeway in the middle of the night. In the video, a person is hit by a car, and it takes several minutes for the other protesters to even notice. Likewise, some protests broke out into violence against property and police. Of course, back then nobody said it was an assault on democracy or a terrorist attack. It was people acting stupidly, and other people following them like sheep because they were go
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He went inside the building, violating security. That wasn't a public area -- the capitol has been closed off throughout quarantine. He wasn't just standing on the sidelines... he was part of the group violating the security of the building.
Re: To see what was taking place inside (Score:4, Informative)
Except 60+ court cases showed zero evedience of election fraud. Several cases they were laughed out of the court as their "evedience" was so flimsy.
Only those who listen to fox believe the election was fraudulent. I could understand it if there was evedience to show fraud. But when the resident tells Republicans to find me the missing votes and they say there isn't any then you better start accepting the results.
Personally I want trump to have guiliani to represent trump he lost 60+ court cases and200 law firms have stopped working with him.
When your previous impeachment lawyer runs away. You should give up. You are guilty of crimes.
Anyone who went there didn't go to protest a corrupt election. They went to install a dictator who lies to them. You can't have a corrupt election without evedience.
I am waiting for tucker carlson and Sean hannity to get sued by the voting machines companies for the lies they are spreading. Fox is already in a multi billion dollar lawsuit with both for their lies.
The more they keep talking the bigger the fines and legal issues they will run into.
Re:To see what was taking place inside (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not just him lying, the business is lying:
"Those actions were his own and [and he was] not acting on behalf [of] Cogensia nor do his actions in any way reflect the policies or values of our firm..."
This wasn't the fucking cleaner or the receptionist, this was your CEO, the very person who defines and determines the policies, culture, and values of a company, so yes, it 100% reflects the policies and values of your firm, and yes, it reflects poor judgement in hiring him.
But this is what happens when most CEO hiring happens from dipping into old boys clubs, rather than through progression of people who are actually competent and level headed enough to run an organisation without opening it up to significant reputational damage like this.
He isn't the first CEO who does something stupid like this, or gets caught doing blow and hookers in an SS uniform or whatever other stupid thing they do, and crushes the reputation of the company, and he won't be the last, as long as companies hire buddies over talent. When it's your CEO, the only way you disown it is by getting rid of him and replace him with immediate effect- no notice period, no golden parachute, just breach of contract and off you fuck sir.
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oh boy! a "both sides" argument. It bears repeating that it's such a horseshit point. The sprinkling of disinformation around it hardly makes it any worse.
I'll share a little bit about how Americans think. Both sides right now illogically believe they could win a shooting war. It's not really all that different from how people thought in any historic wars (WW1, 100 Years War, American Civil War, and more).
As long as there is sectarianism there will be war. As long as we have groups who identify "us" as diff
Sure (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Sure (Score:4, Interesting)
Exactly. He entered the capital the same way all of his fellow criminals did: forcibly, violently, and without permission, and deserves, just like all of his fellow criminals, to have the book thrown at him.
Whining and saying "I'm sorry!" after the fact doesn't change that what you did was wrong (criminal) and deserves severe punishment.
No mercy for you, asshole, nor any for any of your other fellow insurrectionists either.
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What's the right punishment though?
Right now, the punishment for treason is still death. Really not kidding. Go look
https://www.federalcharges.com... [federalcharges.com]
Re: Sure (Score:5, Informative)
According their Dear Leader's executive order, at least 10 years in federal PMITA prison.
Or does that only apply to BLM?
Re: Sure (Score:2)
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Treason and insurrection are not the same thing though.
Re:Sure (Score:5, Informative)
What's the right punishment though?
Right now, the punishment for treason is still death.
Treason doesn't really apply as we're not at war and they weren't assisting the enemy -- or not any we actually know of at this point. I mean, Alex Jones funded the rally and is more of a dick than anything else.
More appropriate charges would be for Sedition / Insurrection -- for *all* the people that entered the Capital Building.
Personally, I'd also lump in a few members of Congress, like Senators Josh Hawley (R) Missouri and Ted Cruz (R) Texas and (at least) House Member Mo Brooks (R) Alabama for their bullshit stunt to object to the Electoral College votes knowing their arguments were false -- even after the riot -- but that's just me.
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I think the 'without permission' part is still unclear. There are many videos where the cops just open up the barriers and let the invaders in, even waving them in...
Of course, the other option was to to fight against and perhaps even fire upon the *much* larger invading force of (mostly) unarmed civilians w/o knowing if/when any backup would arrive. Standing down / retreat may have been a choice to deescalate the situation, prevent further injuries and/or keep things from getting worse.
In any event, the rioters definitely entered without permission -- especially those breaking through windows, etc ... -- as the building was official closed to visitors at the time.
Re:Sure (Score:4, Interesting)
It's a bit iffy about motivations here. There wsa a core group that was intent on causing problems, but many were just believers in the stolen vote conspiracy/myth and they were showing up to support Trump. Not everyone is following what happens in the corners of the social media when they discuss their future actions, but a lot are listening to Trump saying "come and support me".
In addition, a the capitol some doors were forced open while police tried to stop them, some groups were giving a coordinated effort to force open doors with the weight of their crowd versus the weight of the police (which caused injuries, and possibly the officer who was killed was in the group trying to stop this. On the other side of the building, with very few cops, they just opened the doors and the crowd walked in, and one of the crowd was overheard saying "is this a trap?" I think the group filing in and staying within the velvet ropes were in that group, they wanted a look around, some probably didn't even understand that they were trespassing at first.
The people shouting "this is our house and you work for us!" were just morons. Sounds like when I was a TA and the failing students would bitch at me and claim that their parents were paying my salary so I should just give them a better grade. They do not seem to think this house also belongs to those who did not vote for Trump, or they assume that any citizen could just show up at any date and time and be allowed to go anywhere with no restrictions. Of course, I'd hate to see their own houses given this behavior, probably all the furniture is knocked over and excrement smeared on the floors.
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Are you talking abut the police officer who suffered a fatal head injury from a fire extinguisher? Because if so, that wasn't just "weight of the crowd", that was a violent assault on a person.
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It'll all be blamed on Trump (especially now he can't defend himself), and then he'll be forgotten when the next "bad guy" comes. Just like happened to Bush and the Iraq War.
The real question is why we can't get adults in Washington.
Because of people like you who downplay and attempted coup.
Resume (Score:5, Funny)
Guess he can go ahead and add Insurrectionist to his LinkedIn profile.
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Nope. He's probably going to accept his badge for "Receiving Industry-Wide Recognition" though!
Re: Resume (Score:2)
We are sorry your career is over (Score:3)
alongside a mob (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:alongside a mob (Score:4, Insightful)
The public was able to observe Congress. It was a) live on CSPAN b) carried by several news networks with crews on site and c) amply reported the next day. The public had representatives at every moment of operation throughout this quarantine of the Capitol Building. Public oversight does not mean that every individual person has the right to go into the physical building, especially in this day and age.
Re:alongside a mob (Score:4, Interesting)
Rioters are rioters, and the 0.3% of BLM protesters that rioted should face the penalty. This was beyond 'rioting', it was an attempt at a coup. They are not "rioters", they're "insurrectionists". Apples and oranges.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer company. (Score:2)
From their site:
Cognesia has the answer. We transform anonymous digital data into highly valuable customer insight which enables you to create the right message, to the right person, at the right time. We help you improve retention, maximise conversion and deliver a single view of activities.
So these are the people that make it easier when companies spy on you. Frankly, I hope everyone working there gets exactly what they deserve.
We now get to watch 30% of America backpedal (Score:5, Insightful)
All the suckers that followed Trump's lies and deceitful rhetoric over the 'huge amount of fraud', which every sane person around them was continually telling them was complete bullshit, now get to jump through fun thought gymnastics as they try to explain away how they were physically present during what most Americans are calling a coup against their own government.
They've now all found themselves cast amongst the ranks of other truth deniers, like the flat-earthers. It's not going to be a fun place to be, and it will only get worse and worse over time. I highly encourage them all to publicly apologize for their actions and vehemently denounce what they witnessed as well as the 'leaders' and sources of false information that led them into that dark place. The rest of America will indeed forgive them, but they're going to have to first admit the problem and convince the rest of us that they're willing and trying to improve themselves.
As for the republican party itself... maybe it should reform under a new name - tear the band-aid off, so to speak. For now, history is being written that republican supporters denounced their own democratic republic and honestly tried to adopt populism instead. It's really not a good look.
Re: We now get to watch 30% of America backpedal (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, good.
People need a path out, that allows them to keep their self-respect. That is the only way you get them to change their mind. Because psychokogically ... As long as you keep calling somebody's opinions idiotic, or attack him, he's not gonna accept your suggestions, no matter what. A that point, it is actually you, who becomes the one who sustains the belief even if they wanted to get out.
So always leave them a way out.
And that is the real reasons why one should always treat evem the greatest moron with respect.
Provided one actually wants to change his beliefs, and provided their trigger isn't stronger than any alternate good-feeling view you can offer.
Re: We now get to watch 30% of America backpedal (Score:4, Interesting)
Why should we be the adults all the time?
Why should we let them save their face and ass?
because these are the same people we have to live next to and regularly interact with. Sometimes some of these people are (sadly) family members.
However they decide to approach repairing the reputation of their party is up to them. I think it would be easier to reform under a new name with updated ideals, but it's not my show and not my party to really be overly concerned about. But if they don't do anything at all, I don't foresee much of a future for the republican party -- it will just fade out of relevance, and eventually out of existence. It is, after all, now the 'coup party'.
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I highly encourage them all to publicly apologize for their actions and vehemently denounce
I don't think any of them would mean it.
People who cheerfully filmed themselves or gave interviews, see nothing wrong with their actions. If they apologize, it would only be to shorten their sentence.
Trump's "concession" speech is a great indication of the kind of "denouncement" you can expect.
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All the suckers that followed Trump's lies and deceitful rhetoric over the 'huge amount of fraud'
All the suckers that voted for and put Trump in office, were doing so because they were sick and tired of the lies and deceitful rhetoric. "Drain the Swamp", remember?
Now we get to watch the other 70% of America put on their shocked face, as they slowly realize the return to normal was exactly why they voted for a political outsider last time.
Maybe one of these days voters will learn not be so stupid and gullible voting for the status quo they dream of changing, but I doubt it.
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I actually do remember drain the swamp, and I agree that we need better representation. But, I believe we can achieve that via voting reform, rather than banking on one person as president to force change upon everyone else.
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As for the republican party itself... maybe it should reform under a new name...
Fork the Republican Party. Leave behind the crazies and start fresh. The line to draw in the sand: insurrection.
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Arnold Schwartzenegger talks about growing up in Austria, and the emotional pain of his father, and his neighbors, and how many of them weren't the hard-core nasis, they were the people next door, the people who went along with it.
He also breaks out the Conan sword.
https://youtu.be/mz3zFsTp2Pk [youtu.be]
4chan-tier stupidity (Score:5, Interesting)
Every Slashdotter should remember the insurgents believed what they read and remember where they read it. The dead traitor wore a Q-Tard shirt.
If you're stupid enough to fall for a 4chan larp then you're utterly worthless and beneath all respect or empathy. There is no excuse for being that obscenely, WILLFULLY gullible because all their credulity did was expose their inner vileness.
Again, these "people" believed in /pol and /b
While those boards make it easy to manipulate lesser creatures with power comes responsibility. Roughly twenty percent of Americans believe in astrology. We're not an intelligent country and leadership should LEAD the idiot plebs instead of feeding their natural viciousness.
This has been understood since ancient Rome.
Re: 4chan-tier stupidity (Score:4, Informative)
Its moved beyond the chans. The crazy is the GOP now.
https://nyegop.org/2021/01/08/... [nyegop.org]
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Those people are going to be very disappointed on January 20. Unfortunately, the idiots will believe some new lie to explain why Trump wasn't inaugurated for a second term.
For those who didn't click on the link, here is an extract of the craziness:
"Let me be clear: Trump will be president for another four years. Biden will not be president. Yes, I know those are shocking words in these crazy days.
I have been approached by many saying, âoeItâ(TM)s overâ¦â and âoeTrump conceded t
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Re: 4chan-tier stupidity (Score:2)
Please don't insult 4chan.
4chan is chaotic, anacrchic, unconventional, nonconformist, frank, harsh and quite selfish. But it is not necessarily stupid.
E.g. it is definitively not a conservative place. Nobody gives fuck a about Jesus or "decenency and family values" in there.
It is mainly an anarchic refuge.
It is only that our so-called "conservative" neo-libertarian party(es) have an intersection with 4channers in that kind of selfish "freedom" and venting of anger like the Rowdy 3 from Dirk Gently.
It is not
Financial penalties (Score:3)
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This d-bag, and his company, are going to receive the only penalty that matters in the USA. They are going to lose their customers, and their livelihoods.
Corporation actions seem to be limited to fines and financial penalties.
This was individual actions, unrelated to the company. The company already disowned him, so he may face actual prison sentence.
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This d-bag, and his company, are going to receive the only penalty that matters in the USA. They are going to lose their customers, and their livelihoods. This is ultimately the solution to this problem...
Really? And what exactly do you wish to get out of this "solution" long-term? Is this punishment just for the CEO, or are we going to punish the shit out of every employee in that company that had nothing to do with the CEOs decision? I mean, you're not just looking to tell customers to go elsewhere, you want their "livelihoods" decimated. Sounds like company-crushing statements right there.
And to what end? Should we ensure that this "d-bag" and every person he's ever been friends with, is put on some
Not Protests (Score:4, Insightful)
Insurrection!
It failed this time.
Well! After reading all the responses here... (Score:2)
I am glad to see the matter has been resolved.
Let's do lunch
"alongside a mob" (Score:2)
Erm, the evil moron was IN THE MOB.
Of course they reflect your values! (Score:2)
Are you just hiring anyone without any checks if their life values fit in with yours, or what?
Of course you checked! Thoroughly!
Nobody is fooled by your damage control.
Your damn slogan is something out of a Ferengi textbook!
What a moron... did not get the memo I suppose (Score:3)
What Rudi, Donald and Hawley were looking for was a few dead bodies. They were hoping this rampaging mob will descend in lightly defended capitol and the police will fire and kill a few rioters. That will be give them enough political capital.
But they failed to understand police reaction will be vastly different when confronted by a white mob. If it is one of the Antifa, BLM rioters, they would have been shot before the even got within 100 feet of the front steps. An the dead bodies would be enough to call for stop to vote counting etc etc.
But the police did not shoot. One very brave black officer played bait and lured the mob in to a locked secure door at the end of a narrow corridor. Giving them much smaller opening, not more than five or six people could attack the glass window of the door. There were other unlocked and unsecured offices and chambers.
"open set of doors to the Capitol building"? (Score:2)
Okay, so where is the video of whoever opened said set of doors?
Staff member? Alleged security? Is someone being covered up/protected? What the [insert own expletive here]!
Since when are doors there left open?
Why hasn't our media published the video/pictures of this person or persons?
Are they sacrificing the sheep and hiding the leaders of the mob?
Rioters have to confess in writing before 15 Jan (Score:5, Funny)
Please spread the message.
Re: Rioters have to confess in writing before 15 J (Score:3)
Saw this on reddit. First post I've seen on a while deserving of the fabled +5 troll mod.
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Lie 1: wasn't a big deal
Lie 2: now they're picking on 'em
Lie 3: terminating business relationships with insurrectionists is somehow wrong
Re:Derp (Score:5, Interesting)
Lie 3: terminating business relationships with insurrectionists is somehow wrong
It's even better than that. Forbes has said [forbes.com] that any business who hires anyone from this administration will considered to be lying.
Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists above, and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet. Want to ensure the world’s biggest business media brand approaches you as a potential funnel of disinformation? Then hire away.
This isn’t cancel culture, which is a societal blight. (There’s surely a nice living for each of these press secretaries on the true-believer circuit.) Nor is this politically motivated, as Forbes’ pro-entrepreneur, pro-growth worldview has generally placed it in the right-of-center camp over the past century — this standard needs to apply to liars from either party. It’s just a realization that, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, in a thriving democracy, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Our national reset starts there.
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They didn't say anyone from the administration, but a particular list of members from the press office who were the ones who told and repeated the lies.
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Can't they just charge everyone with felony murder(s)?
That way everyone goes away for a long time even if treason etc can't be proved.
Re:Derp (Score:5, Insightful)
They didn’t have any motivation beyond being a moron.
People were literally chanting to hang Mike Pence https://www.radio.com/1010wins/news/politics/video-pro-trump-mob-chants-hang-mike-pence [radio.com]. People went in with zipties to capture congresspeople and their aides https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/08/zip-ties-tn-thin-blue-line-patch-riot-terrorism-experts/6582674002/ [commercialappeal.com]. This went, far, far beyond simple stupidity. If congress had not been quickly evacuated this would have been far worse. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/media/reliable-sources-january-8/index.html [cnn.com].
Re:Derp (Score:5, Interesting)
The retired air force guy with the zip ties claimed he found them and picked them up intending to give them back to a police officer. Sounds like a 5 year old caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Re:Derp (Score:4, Funny)
Is that the same retired airforce guy wearing a balaclava and full paramilitary gear? I assume that's just his sunday evening wear then.
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I was on a jury trial once, and we eventually voted to acquit. The one holdout seemed like an intransigent law-and-order type and refused to acquit even when the prosecutor's case was weak and falling apart. His reasoning was "but he's a moron!" We kept countering with "being a moron is not illegal!" However, being a moron will get a lot of people attempting to do illegal things. A lot of laws do require an "intent" as a necessary factor for prosecution (as opposed to a lesser charge for the same actio
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They didn’t have any motivation beyond being a moron.
Don't be so sure, some arrived with guns, bombs, and a noose. Multiple people carrying plastic handcuffs were photographed inside the congressional chambers, not something you carry on a lark.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch... [snopes.com]
In the wake of the deadly and unprecedented riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, several photographs showed pro-Trump members of the insurrectionist mob in the Senate chamber. A Reddit post read: “For those who insist this was just a ‘protest,’ that is a man with
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I dont see myself changing my sig for a very long time.
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Sorry, but this is restraint. This is as reasoned of a response as traitors get. You think I'm angry? Wait until you see the way the rest of the country feels. If I were you, I'd just lie and say I never supported Trump at all. We won't forget what you tried to do. The American right wing just committed suicide on national television. Literally, you killed your own. Dragged that MAGA cop into the crowd and beat him to death. Last thing that fucking Trump supporting toady probably thought, as the crowd of Tr
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... this is restraint ... You think I'm angry? ...
I'm with phantomfive on this one. Everyone gets angry. What matters is what one does next.
Re: Fake news and fake narrative. (Score:5, Informative)
It was a total coincidence that insurrectionists invaded the Capitol Building why Congress was certifying Biden's win.
I don't know whether you're a liar, a fucking retard, evil, or all of the above. Just in case, perhaps you can find a Buffalo costume on eBay. I hear the original owner won't be needing it for a while
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insurrectionists invaded the Capitol Building why Congress was certifying Biden's win.
Also, I am truly curious what was the end game plan. Lets say they captured, with these zip-ties, some people in congress. Would they negotiate for their vote/election outcome for ransom?
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My guess is they hold them in a cave for 4 years while their dumbarse in chief sits around with his thumb up his arse at the head of a government without any senators.
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You're right, that is a fake narrative.
It was pro-Trump insurrectionists carrying out a coup for someone who doesn't even seem to want to do the job of being president anyway. He just likes being president.
TLDR; cry more, fascist.
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Watch the alleged president's party, with him included, watching the trashing of the capitol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Watch the alleged president's capitol trashing party, with him included:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Re: And he was made so obedient, so fast... (Score:4, Interesting)
https://nyegop.org/2021/01/08/... [nyegop.org]
Here are the only people living in fear.
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Yeah, about that [tumblr.com].
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I'd like to see all of those that are found to have been trespassing at the very least required to serve community service within the voting process. They may receive fines and perhaps jail time in addition, but I would prefer that they are at the very least required to learn how hard it actually is to steal an election through the ballot fraud methods that were being purported.
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At least in my county convinced felons are barred from volunteering or working for the Election Board.
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But that would imply that all politicians are barred as well!
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But last week and the weeks leading up to it were also a harsh lesson on the dangers of blindly following a leader, and taking everything he claims for granted, without listening to opposing views or even just checking the facts or the sources. We have had some experience with that in Europe (and no, not only with that guy
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It amazes me how people who are willing to take up arms for a cause are not willing to put forth the intellectual effort to ensure that the cause is just.
Critical thinking skills are more relevant now than ever, but they require a level of intellectual responsibility. Lazy-thinking is incompatible. But what really has me scratching my head is that these people are not lazy! They are ready to risk life and limb! But they are not ready to lean what a logical fallacy is?
I have met and spoken with conspirac
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The flaw in humans is that we trust in our emotions more than our logic. If it feels true then we assume it must be true. Then we manufacture a broken set of logic to justify the emotions. Ie, flat earthers actually do their own "experiments" to prove their belief system, which is somewhat hilarious to see but distressing to understand that they truly believe it. Similarly, people are coming up with all sorts of strange excuses for how the voting fraud took place, despite the ludicrousness of it all. Th
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Yeah, about these people. Funny how they don't really mean what they say [tumblr.com].
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Well, if somebody *BELIEVES*, ... (Score:2)
as opposed to act based on what he actually experiences,
then he already failed at life.
That is the core problem here. That we treat peoe who just believr whatever they want to be true as if they weren't mentally ill, and as if their beliefs deserved some kind of respect.
REALITY or GTFO. Of the country.
Seriously. Is this the freakin dark ages or what?
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If Trump told them to drink the poison Kool Aid they would do it in a heartbeat. These are not sane or rational individuals.
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But those examples similar in some ways. Only a small minority were defending the looters and vandals in the summer, the rest were defending those who were peacefully protesting. Now last week there were peaceful protesters, probably the majority who showed up were just there for yet another fun Trump rally. The Republican politicians for the most part are not defending those who stormed the castle, trashed the place, or killed a cop.
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I have to say, it's been interesting to observe. Earlier in the year protesters were burning down police stations while one side defended them and the other condemned them. Fast forward a few months and the other sides protesters storm the capital while one side defends them and the other condemns them.
One of those groups is angry because police have been murdering people. The other group is angry because their candidate lost a fair election.
False equivalence is false.
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As a customer at an airport in Italy I once had to visit a non-public airport office. The airline employee waved me down a corridor with a door that said in 7 languages DO NOT ENTER ON PENALTY OF ARREST. I looked back and he waved me through. Beyond that there as a sign pointing to the office I needed, past a yellow line with another sign saying If You Cross This Line You Will Be Shot. I looked at the guy behind the armored glass with the machine gun and he waved me over the line toward the office witho
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To be fair, you'll get the same thing at US airports. Hell, as parties summer work during college I had access/escort privileges to secured customs and immigration areas (as long as they approved of course). But an uncredentialed person back there all alone? Not a good outcome.
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Sure, and maybe he is just deaf and missed all the explosions from flashbags, the shouts of "hang Mike pence", or maybe is recovering from covid and couldn't smell the smoke, tear gas, and pepper spray
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He claimed that he had found the zip-tie handcuffs on the floor. "I wish I had not picked those up," he told me. "My thought process there was I would pick them up and give them to an officer when I see one. . . . I didn't do that because I had put them in my coat, and I honestly forgot about them."
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True.
Show of hands. Who here isn't curious about having a peek inside and what Pelosi's desktop icons say?
The only thing that doesn't fit: If I'd see security, of course I'd not enter, as it is clear they do not want that, and I have no interest in being a dick or causing a conflict.
Given the ridiculousness of rhe situation, I can only assess that either there was no security at all, or they made the equivalent of a "Come in, my home is your home" gesture.
I mean wtf, if I'm an armed guard at tue doors of fr
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He's welcome to try that excuse in court.