LOL. If Veritas reported the sky was blue, and the Pope, Catholic, I'd have to start rethinking what I knew about each. From a news veracity standpoint, they make Alex Jones and Occupy Democrats sound like Walter Cronkrite. Nutshell: I am 100% certain that whatever they "report" is 100% wrong.
LOL. If Veritas reported the sky was blue, and the Pope, Catholic, I'd have to start rethinking what I knew about each. From a news veracity standpoint, they make Alex Jones and Occupy Democrats sound like Walter Cronkrite. Nutshell: I am 100% certain that whatever they "report" is 100% wrong.
I got the same impression of Christianity after reading the Book of Revelation and trying to apply logic and reason to what sounded like a description of somebody's acid trip. Project Veritas and Christianity are the same that way, the only way you can take either seriously is to disable the common sense filter and logic processor in your brain and accept them through blind faith.
Revelations is basically an ancient political pamphlet disguised with religious symbolism, so yes it can seem very acid-trippy if you aren't familiar with the hot-button issues of ancient Roman politics.
That fly would likely have died of old age by now, wouldn't it? Although a dead housefly might not be a bad president; it's not something we've seen before.
That fly would likely have died of old age by now, wouldn't it? Although a dead housefly might not be a bad president; it's not something we've seen before.
I watched that debate and kept expecting Pence to just whip out his lightning fast lizard tongue and pull the fly into his mouth but he resisted that temptation admirably.
Actually, Andrew Yang was the candidate I would have preferred to see on the ticket.
But having said that, I'm still trying to figure out what the heck just happened, let alone what is happening. How is it possible for so many races to be so close, when the candidates are not close at all?
I am driven to a conspiracy fantasy. It's brain phishing. Whoever is behind it doesn't want to go large-scale because that would increase the chances of detecting it. Just enough brains phished to put the election over the
The simple truth is that a lot of democrats elected not to vote, due to dissatisfaction with both parties. Thatâ(TM)s certainly a choice, but it seems to underestimate the potential impact to the country. I made a similar assumption in 2016 that I had 4 years to regret.
I might, but if so, then your framing is quite wrong. Not dissatisfaction, but overconfidence. What if Qanon told his followers to lie to pollsters? My websearches couldn't find any direct evidence of that specific instruction, though I got several reminders that half of Trump's fans believe in Qanon. Every successful lie to a pollster would be a double hit, one supporter apparently subtracted from Trump and one added to Biden. Indirect evidence would be correlating
The US needs needs to make voting a legal requirement, like Australia. The reason its a requirement is to counter this problem with organised groups having a greater turn out than individuals who dont care as much as they should. if they really dont want to vote they can just drop an empty ballot in the box, and some do, but it helps a lot overall.
If you see the choice as between Chuthlu and Azathoth, that might not seem so attractive. Even if you get to cast "no vote", that's not great and just pisses you off because you were forced to vote for something you consider meaningless.
Also, as part of the voting being a legal requirement, there is the whole requirement to actually register to vote (which happens in other countries that don't however require that you actually vote). That produces a list of voters, with addresses, that can be consulted. Or,
At least you get to tell the government what you care about the most and get promptly ignored as they just don't make as much money with you as they do with the megacorps. Wrecking the local industry and business is not just about more money, but about more political power as well.
At this point, I think we need to be taking bets on how much longer before a civil war or some other form of succession. California is bleeding people right now, maybe Cascadia could be a marketing ploy to bring those people back in-state.
important context: "Doesn't matter the puppet president" to you.
If you're a woman or a minority it matters more (this may seem leading, but it's independing of who you think is better for these groups).
The things that are important to you probably don't matter the government. But the policies affecting groups other that you vary quite differently if you are not.
I said 'We" not "I". Context does matter and you missed it. I may be a minority woman. The comment still stands since the puppet doesn't make the laws.
Except for not really. Most of those special group/minority topics are just surface drivel to keep all the common folk distracted and infighting, lest they see the bars of the cage the rich have built for them.
Some Americans will think they won whenever this muddle is cleared up.
However I think the loser is clear, no matter what. My current pick for the most likely winner is China, though the situation isn't as clear as it was at the end of World War II. Personally I would prefer to see Europe step up as the world leader, but their house is more divided than America's and they don't even want the job. There are a couple of ambitious contenders, but none with the wherewithal. From China's long-term perspective, it's just back to world business as usual.
"So we had a couple of bad centuries. It could happen to anyone."
"So we had a couple of bad centuries. It could happen to anyone."
Somebody gets it.
We don't have the kind of long term mentality that China has had or does have. It just isn't built into our DNA since we are a mish mash of all kinds of societies vying for center stage.
Personally I would prefer to see Europe step up as the world leader, but their house is more divided than America's
The only real division was a tiny, vociferous and well funded group from the UK. They have now managed to start the ultimate destruction of the UK by leaving the EU. The rest of the EU will bicker - that's what it is for. It will not fall apart. There is a fine example now of what happens if you do just north of France!
they don't even want the job.
As the worlds largest democratic institution, they have the job. They just may not feel the need to act the same way as the USA has and overthrow democratically elected leaders in other
I like your rosy perspective, but I don't think it's as easy as now "they have the job". You have to want the job or you don't really have it, even if you're doing a good job, per your counterexamples of America doing it badly. Perhaps telling that no one (that I've heard) is suggesting the UN is going to step up?
Not sure what point you were trying to make about China in the context where you were comparing it to the founding of the US and USSR, but China's take is that they did a good job of leading the wo
I doubt China sees much value in being "world leader". Well, not as a role as such. It would just be a synonym for the one doing best. It seems clear they're have no intention of being anything like the the USA has been, anyway... though I wonder if anyone thought the USA would have turned out to be the monster it seems to have become...
There are many decent Americans who would do as well or better than Trump. There are some who would do as well or better than Biden. Biden has had years of political experience and that can't be discounted. But even among politicians, there are many who have found a niche that they like, that they can continue in for a long time thanks to no term limits, and don't want the extra hassle of being president. Others have checked out. I think Paul Ryan, for example, might make a decent president, but he got so f
Also, since it appears neither side is going to have a landslide, both Biden and Trump will probably get a slim majority in some decisive states, and with both popular and electoral college votes (which is all that really matters) being only a few points apart, is this before or after the courts almost inevitably get involved?
SCOTUS is still vastly better than the "ammo box" phase of the leadership selection process, of course.
is this before or after the courts almost inevitably get involved?
Meh, Trump is already requesting a recount in Wisconsin (which is his right, but unlikely to change anything). But in court you need to make an actual case and unsupported claims don't get you as far as they go in the news or press conferences. He could maybe do something about late-arriving mail-in votes in PA (and that's a maybe from what I gather), but beyond that it is not clear what to sue.
SCOTUS is still vastly better than the "ammo box" phase of the leadership selection process, of course.
Shockingly, even some Republicans are not on board [twitter.com] with blatant attack on votes. Either they have some lines they
I think the recount is automatic if it is as close in Wisconsin as it appears to be, so Trump actually said nothing meaningful about that.
I have no idea why Trump is attacking the election when there is a very good chance he will win. It looks stupid and reactionary. He can bring out all the lawsuits he wants if he loses so he has gained nothing from this. I also felt almost sorry for Pence who had to try to gracefully back away from Trump's words right after him with enough smokescreen that Trump's minions
I think the recount is automatic if it is as close in Wisconsin as it appears to be
Nope. In Wisconsin, there is no automatic recount - the "aggrieved candidate" always needs to request one. Also it has to be within.25% (Biden is ahead by roughly.75%), or else the requestor has to pay a "filing fee" - which covers the cost of the recount.
In Pennsylvania, the trigger for an automatic recount is 0.5%. Georgia is also 0.5%. In Arizona, it's 0.1%. In Michigan, it's 2000 votes.
Nevada also has no automatic recount, and requires the requestor to cover the cost.
Shockingly, even some Republicans are not on board [twitter.com] with blatant attack on votes. Either they have some lines they won't cross, or, more likely, they are abandoning a sinking ship.
The comment was intended as non-partisan (even though the majority of reports of anti-vote (seriously!?) and anti-count protests were by GOP supporters last night), but yes, clearly there is a lunatic fringe right around the political compass and the majority of supporters of both the main parties would not actually
While everyone agrees that the choices were bad, no one seriously considered the alternative.
I read somewhere that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
There was no alternative. Nobody here has any power to get the Democrats or Republicans to choose any better candidates than Biden and Trump. And voting for anybody other than the two offerings from the Democrats and Republicans is useless, and counter-productive if you actually have feel one or the other is less bad for the country if they were president, as you will have removed your ability to at least influence the election of the one you dislike less.
This. The US needs to take a look at how democracy works in other countries. Many examples are out there working much better. Still imperfect but America looks like a joke at the moment.
Er, so what are all those guns for then!? From the outside, it's looking like they'll finally be put to something like the use they are allowed for in the first place.
There is always an alternative. Even if you are given a single candidate to vote for you can at least draw a dick on the ballot. If you are given several and you just won't vote for an alternative because "they are not going to win anyway" you have nobody to blame but yourself. Here's a story for you from Russia, a cleaning lady was set up as a strawman candidate, she won https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com]
but I fear that we will be left with Trump in charge. The only hope then is that both houses are in Democrat control otherwise Trump will go totally mad and try to get the constitution changed so that he can run again in 2024 and 2028. The world deserves an America that does not give the finger to everyone else and actually wants to keep this planet livable.
Not because I want him to, of course. I just feel like somehow he's going to pull it off, again.
And man... as much as I want Biden to win, I think we're in for a ridiculous shitshow for four years no matter what. Biden's presidency will *start* with Trump bitching on Twitter nonstop from the sidelines, and unless a) Biden is such a damn good president that he repudiates what Trump stood for so thoroughly that even Trump supporters are forced to admit it, or b) Trump is arrested for crimes so blatant and hei
Biden's presidency will *start* with Trump bitching on Twitter nonstop from the sidelines
How about Twitter would then be able to block him because, not being President any more, there is no longer an obligation to report his views?
The big question is, will Twitter block him as soon as the result is announced (unlikely), during the inauguration or shortly afterwards. All the other platforms could block him too in case he decides to use them. Then he can only go on platforms hosted by his "friends" who may be dropping him ASAP...
While the orange p***y grabber is actually the President of the USA, it is appropriate that Twitter etc let his thoughts be seen. I doubt there is a total legal obligation but it is probably wise of them.
When is a private citizen again, albeit narcissist sociopathic and an extreme example of the Dunning Kruger syndrome, his views are no more important than any other multiple bankrupt. Across the planet, we wait with bated breath for this to happen!
Thankfully the media will no longer feel like it is relevant to re-publish the garbage that comes from Trump's twitter feed. He goes from being the most powerful political figure in the world to being just another old rich dude with a big mouth. His supporters might still care what he has to say but the rest of the sane world no longer has a reason to care. He can tweet as much as he likes, I think everyone will be happy to be able to finally tune out the noise.
He goes from being the most powerful political figure in the world to being just another old rich dude with a big mouth. His supporters might still care what he has to say but the rest of the sane world no longer has a reason to care
Oh, how I wish you were right. But seeing how Trump has something like 91% support in the party and has now received 67.5+ million votes, I don't think we can dismiss his supporters at all. He may continue running the Republican party regardless of election outcome. Plus I already saw a few (seemingly serious) articles about Trump Jr. 2024 [theguardian.com]. And hey, if Trump Sr. can get 67 million votes then why not Trump Jr.?
a) Biden is such a damn good president that he repudiates what Trump stood for so thoroughly that even Trump supporters are forced to admit it,
Sadly, if no Trump repudiation came now (particularly given the covid handling), then it never will. I knew that many of his supporters don't care about his personality or have a problem with his policies, but I was so sure that the absolute mishandling of the pandemic will be the breaking point. That alone should have been enough to kick him out (particularly as the pandemic is not done yet and will kill many more), but 67.5+ million voters clearly disagree.
You know, the Democrats should have trounced him in 2016, and they should have trounced him in 2020.
That guy is the best candidate ever, the rubber boot alone is worth the win. I would think everyone that is utterly disgusted with US politics would flock to vote for him, I sure would if I actually had an misfortune to be an american. Anyone want to explain why he doesn't get tons of votes? Or why no third option gets any significant number of votes? Is protest vote not a thing at all?
I think Biden is slightly more likely to win but it's going to be very close. And winning the popular vote and even the electoral college doesn't guarantee he'll take office.
If he does, he needs to take quick action to erect guardrails around his own office to prevent the sort of abuses of power Trump pulled off 3 times before lunch every day, and democratize the undemocratic systems that have brought the US to the brink of ending its democracy. Supreme court term limits, abolish the electoral college, end
And then he'll need to get onto the main task of his job - I'd guess at least 98% of everything Trump did needs to be undone.
Yes, but that is literally impossible without control of the Senate and Democrats aren't getting that. Well, he can undo the executive orders stuff (which is something but not 98%).
What are the chances that if Republicans or the new Supreme Court actually get to push through some of their favorite policies -- will that finally create some voter backlash? I don't think half the country actually wants to see some of those things in action (e.g., repealing ACA or gay marriage).
And, aside from the typo, I still stand by my statement. Not only do we have the recounts Trump is already demanding, we have the recounts required by various states because the margins are too small. Even if Trump doesn't go full-out Algore, it's going to take several weeks before we have a definitive answer.
A commenter on an article I read yesterday said that Dr. Fauci advised Americans that if they experience an election that lasts more than four days, they should consult a physician. Heh.
It will be difficult for the entire world not to get sucked into the swirling bowl of diarrhea we've made. You can express your contempt for us all you want, but don't believe you can stand back and avoid getting splashed.
If I was to think of a scenario that would really hurt the Republicans and Trump supporters most it would be this one. They seemed to have the lead, it looked like a win, they would have been genuinely excited, but slowly, like a 77 year old man walking in front of you at the mall, Joe Biden creeps up (pun intended) and takes it state by state until he hits 270. PA isn't going to be needed but it would be a nice final punch in the nuts. Georgia would just be kicking a man while he's down, but it's not like
I still don't understand why Americans are sold on the idea that a modern welfare state, as delineated in the 1942 Beveridge Report (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beveridge_Report) is so evil. The UK government overwhelmingly supported it, and it dramatically reduced the five great evils in UK at the time: "Want, Disease, Ignorance, Squalor and Idleness".
It cost a lot. Lots of that money comes from the taxpayer. But that tax is ring-fenced from the politicians: It's not a socialist state. The vast majority of UK citizens pay nothing for their healthcare at the time of need (when they are most vulnerable). UK citizens don't even know what health insurance is, and that means there's no middlemen making a profit from overcharging and underdelivering. There's a weird myth that UK citizens cannot choose their doctor. Of course we can. And, while the healthcare provision in the UK is not the very best in the world, it is still one of the best in the world.
I still don't understand why Americans are sold on the idea that a modern welfare state, as delineated in the 1942 Beveridge Report (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beveridge_Report) is so evil.
99% of Americans don't know about the Beveridge Report. In America, we all believe in helping people who need help.
There's a weird myth that UK citizens cannot choose their doctor. Of course we can. And, while the healthcare provision in the UK is not the very best in the world, it is still one of the best in the world.
There's a weird myth that most people in the US do not have healthcare. Most Americans do, and for most of them, the healthcare is better than Medicare. A lot of doctors don't accept medicare.
Regardless of your intent, I think that it is always good to 'check in' on broad brushstrokes / stereotyping.
I think there's a lot to your narrative also. It's good to 'meet' people who are able to provide good stories (I'm not implying that you are making this stuff up - but merely that whenever we write, we must select a narrative arc from the chaos of potential truths and facts).
As a European 'looking in from the outside', there are several things that I find so confusing about the USA
If the deep state wins, We The People ALL lose. This is no longer about Republican vs Democrat - it is about us having a voice in the future of the country VS being ruled by unelected parties.
What's the matter of having an opinion on a fact? Just wait and see. There will be a factual answer eventualy.
So I'll say Sanders/AOC will win this election because opinions on facts do not matter anyway.
We, the People, have lost this election no matter who they decide had the most votes.
About the only option that would have caused potentially meaningful change was Jo Jorgensen, but she polled at around 1.9% in most states.
The outcome is still too close to call, which creates the unique and interesting situation for America that we now have to actually wait for the "final, hand counted results" from several key states to know who won. (Traditionally, it was possible to figure out which President a state wen
I mean, it's like the Democrats are trying to lose. Putting up a 78 year old candidate, one who likes to fondle young girls in public, has a crackhead as a son, and by all evidence isn't quite there anymore. I mean: isn't there anyone better they could have nominated? This is what happens, when you have "machine" politics. It's not about the voters, or the policies - it's all about the elite passing the Ring of Power back and forth among themselves.
If I could vote in your election, I'd rather have Trump tha
But I feel with no one in the GOP actively stopping him...his continual spread of misinformation...the way he was largely wanting to reject the results as fraudulent before voting even began....he will refuse to accept a Biden win as legitimate and will send it to the court. Then we'll see how that 6-3 conservative stacking of the court plays out.
I predict they will just hand him a second term and effectively end our democracy. There's no way out of this that's good. EVen if Biden does get the white house.
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I wonder what he's up to these days. Maybe he has time to run the country.
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LOL. If Veritas reported the sky was blue, and the Pope, Catholic, I'd have to start rethinking what I knew about each. From a news veracity standpoint, they make Alex Jones and Occupy Democrats sound like Walter Cronkrite. Nutshell: I am 100% certain that whatever they "report" is 100% wrong.
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LOL. If Veritas reported the sky was blue, and the Pope, Catholic, I'd have to start rethinking what I knew about each. From a news veracity standpoint, they make Alex Jones and Occupy Democrats sound like Walter Cronkrite. Nutshell: I am 100% certain that whatever they "report" is 100% wrong.
I got the same impression of Christianity after reading the Book of Revelation and trying to apply logic and reason to what sounded like a description of somebody's acid trip. Project Veritas and Christianity are the same that way, the only way you can take either seriously is to disable the common sense filter and logic processor in your brain and accept them through blind faith.
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Revelations is basically an ancient political pamphlet disguised with religious symbolism, so yes it can seem very acid-trippy if you aren't familiar with the hot-button issues of ancient Roman politics.
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Never has CowboyNeal been more needed as an option!
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The same fly trhat was on Mike Pence's head! ;)
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That fly would likely have died of old age by now, wouldn't it? Although a dead housefly might not be a bad president; it's not something we've seen before.
I watched that debate and kept expecting Pence to just whip out his lightning fast lizard tongue and pull the fly into his mouth but he resisted that temptation admirably.
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Yep, and the sad thing is that there are people who really believe that.
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Actually, Andrew Yang was the candidate I would have preferred to see on the ticket.
But having said that, I'm still trying to figure out what the heck just happened, let alone what is happening. How is it possible for so many races to be so close, when the candidates are not close at all?
I am driven to a conspiracy fantasy. It's brain phishing. Whoever is behind it doesn't want to go large-scale because that would increase the chances of detecting it. Just enough brains phished to put the election over the
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Do you have any evidence for that theory?
I might, but if so, then your framing is quite wrong. Not dissatisfaction, but overconfidence. What if Qanon told his followers to lie to pollsters? My websearches couldn't find any direct evidence of that specific instruction, though I got several reminders that half of Trump's fans believe in Qanon. Every successful lie to a pollster would be a double hit, one supporter apparently subtracted from Trump and one added to Biden. Indirect evidence would be correlating
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Also, as part of the voting being a legal requirement, there is the whole requirement to actually register to vote (which happens in other countries that don't however require that you actually vote). That produces a list of voters, with addresses, that can be consulted. Or,
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Kanye West
Come on Slashdot. There is so much more that could be done with this poll!
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We need a new government as this one is a joke. Doesn't matter the puppet president.
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At least you get to tell the government what you care about the most and get promptly ignored as they just don't make as much money with you as they do with the megacorps.
Wrecking the local industry and business is not just about more money, but about more political power as well.
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At this point, I think we need to be taking bets on how much longer before a civil war or some other form of succession. California is bleeding people right now, maybe Cascadia could be a marketing ploy to bring those people back in-state.
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What is ultimately going to happen with blue cities fleeing to the burbs is more blue suburban/rural areas.
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Maybe China can supply arms to California, and see how the USA likes it.
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Yeah sorry. I have a bit of word salad like this where I misspell words. Thanks. I agree though, fuck Trump.
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important context: "Doesn't matter the puppet president" to you.
If you're a woman or a minority it matters more (this may seem leading, but it's independing of who you think is better for these groups).
The things that are important to you probably don't matter the government. But the policies affecting groups other that you vary quite differently if you are not.
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I said 'We" not "I". Context does matter and you missed it. I may be a minority woman. The comment still stands since the puppet doesn't make the laws.
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Agreed. I'm not even American but it seems they haven't had a real presidency since JFK got shot for daring.
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FTFY
Some Americans will think they won whenever this muddle is cleared up.
However I think the loser is clear, no matter what. My current pick for the most likely winner is China, though the situation isn't as clear as it was at the end of World War II. Personally I would prefer to see Europe step up as the world leader, but their house is more divided than America's and they don't even want the job. There are a couple of ambitious contenders, but none with the wherewithal. From China's long-term perspective, it's just back to world business as usual.
"So we had a couple of bad centuries. It could happen to anyone."
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"So we had a couple of bad centuries. It could happen to anyone."
Somebody gets it.
We don't have the kind of long term mentality that China has had or does have. It just isn't built into our DNA since we are a mish mash of all kinds of societies vying for center stage.
I've got my popcorn.
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Personally I would prefer to see Europe step up as the world leader, but their house is more divided than America's
The only real division was a tiny, vociferous and well funded group from the UK. They have now managed to start the ultimate destruction of the UK by leaving the EU. The rest of the EU will bicker - that's what it is for. It will not fall apart. There is a fine example now of what happens if you do just north of France!
they don't even want the job.
As the worlds largest democratic institution, they have the job. They just may not feel the need to act the same way as the USA has and overthrow democratically elected leaders in other
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I like your rosy perspective, but I don't think it's as easy as now "they have the job". You have to want the job or you don't really have it, even if you're doing a good job, per your counterexamples of America doing it badly. Perhaps telling that no one (that I've heard) is suggesting the UN is going to step up?
Not sure what point you were trying to make about China in the context where you were comparing it to the founding of the US and USSR, but China's take is that they did a good job of leading the wo
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I doubt China sees much value in being "world leader". Well, not as a role as such. It would just be a synonym for the one doing best. It seems clear they're have no intention of being anything like the the USA has been, anyway... though I wonder if anyone thought the USA would have turned out to be the monster it seems to have become...
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I largely agree, but details in the longer reply to Gonoff. https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]
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300,000,000 people and these two are the best you could find? Really?
Picking someone at random, like jury service, would produce a better president basically every time.
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Trump would have let OJ off - he's orange after all.
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There are many decent Americans who would do as well or better than Trump. There are some who would do as well or better than Biden. Biden has had years of political experience and that can't be discounted. But even among politicians, there are many who have found a niche that they like, that they can continue in for a long time thanks to no term limits, and don't want the extra hassle of being president. Others have checked out. I think Paul Ryan, for example, might make a decent president, but he got so f
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Interesting the question is "Who will win?" not "Who do you want to win?"
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SCOTUS is still vastly better than the "ammo box" phase of the leadership selection process, of course.
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is this before or after the courts almost inevitably get involved?
Meh, Trump is already requesting a recount in Wisconsin (which is his right, but unlikely to change anything).
But in court you need to make an actual case and unsupported claims don't get you as far as they go in the news or press conferences. He could maybe do something about late-arriving mail-in votes in PA (and that's a maybe from what I gather), but beyond that it is not clear what to sue.
SCOTUS is still vastly better than the "ammo box" phase of the leadership selection process, of course.
Shockingly, even some Republicans are not on board [twitter.com] with blatant attack on votes. Either they have some lines they
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I think the recount is automatic if it is as close in Wisconsin as it appears to be, so Trump actually said nothing meaningful about that.
I have no idea why Trump is attacking the election when there is a very good chance he will win. It looks stupid and reactionary. He can bring out all the lawsuits he wants if he loses so he has gained nothing from this. I also felt almost sorry for Pence who had to try to gracefully back away from Trump's words right after him with enough smokescreen that Trump's minions
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I think the recount is automatic if it is as close in Wisconsin as it appears to be
Nope. In Wisconsin, there is no automatic recount - the "aggrieved candidate" always needs to request one. Also it has to be within .25% (Biden is ahead by roughly .75%), or else the requestor has to pay a "filing fee" - which covers the cost of the recount.
In Pennsylvania, the trigger for an automatic recount is 0.5%. Georgia is also 0.5%. In Arizona, it's 0.1%. In Michigan, it's 2000 votes.
Nevada also has no automatic recount, and requires the requestor to cover the cost.
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
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The comment was intended as non-partisan (even though the majority of reports of anti-vote (seriously!?) and anti-count protests were by GOP supporters last night), but yes, clearly there is a lunatic fringe right around the political compass and the majority of supporters of both the main parties would not actually
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We will win. Either way.
Sincerely,
the rest of the planet.
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Aand that attitude is what keeps the current bad-cop-lame-cop dual-wield pissstools in power.
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There was no alternative. Nobody here has any power to get the Democrats or Republicans to choose any better candidates than Biden and Trump. And voting for anybody other than the two offerings from the Democrats and Republicans is useless, and counter-productive if you actually have feel one or the other is less bad for the country if they were president, as you will have removed your ability to at least influence the election of the one you dislike less.
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> There was no alternative
Er, so what are all those guns for then!?
From the outside, it's looking like they'll finally be put to something like the use they are allowed for in the first place.
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If you think Jo Jorgensen will win I'd like to hear your logic.
I hope it is Biden (Score:2)
but I fear that we will be left with Trump in charge.
The only hope then is that both houses are in Democrat control otherwise Trump will go totally mad and try to get the constitution changed so that he can run again in 2024 and 2028. The world deserves an America that does not give the finger to everyone else and actually wants to keep this planet livable.
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Ivanka was not born in the USA.
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Wikipedia says Ivanka [wikipedia.org], Trump's daughter, was born on October 30, 1981 in Manhattan, New York City, U.S.A.
Maybe you're thinking of his wife, Ivana Marie Zelnickova [wikipedia.org], who was born in Czechoslovakia.
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Ivana/Ivanka, prostate/prostrate -- it's tough to keep track of stuff like this.
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Tomato/tomato, potato/potato -- it's tough to keep track of stuff like this.
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Ivana/Ivanka, prostate/prostrate -- it's tough to keep track of stuff like this.
It's hard to keep track of when you just want to fuck Ivanka, much like her father does. Hard to keep track.
I chose Trump. (Score:1)
Not because I want him to, of course. I just feel like somehow he's going to pull it off, again.
And man... as much as I want Biden to win, I think we're in for a ridiculous shitshow for four years no matter what. Biden's presidency will *start* with Trump bitching on Twitter nonstop from the sidelines, and unless a) Biden is such a damn good president that he repudiates what Trump stood for so thoroughly that even Trump supporters are forced to admit it, or b) Trump is arrested for crimes so blatant and hei
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Biden's presidency will *start* with Trump bitching on Twitter nonstop from the sidelines
How about Twitter would then be able to block him because, not being President any more, there is no longer an obligation to report his views?
The big question is, will Twitter block him as soon as the result is announced (unlikely), during the inauguration or shortly afterwards. All the other platforms could block him too in case he decides to use them. Then he can only go on platforms hosted by his "friends" who may be dropping him ASAP...
Re: I chose Trump. (Score:2)
> there is no longer an obligation to report his views?
What obligation is that!?
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While the orange p***y grabber is actually the President of the USA, it is appropriate that Twitter etc let his thoughts be seen. I doubt there is a total legal obligation but it is probably wise of them.
When is a private citizen again, albeit narcissist sociopathic and an extreme example of the Dunning Kruger syndrome, his views are no more important than any other multiple bankrupt. Across the planet, we wait with bated breath for this to happen!
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Thankfully the media will no longer feel like it is relevant to re-publish the garbage that comes from Trump's twitter feed. He goes from being the most powerful political figure in the world to being just another old rich dude with a big mouth. His supporters might still care what he has to say but the rest of the sane world no longer has a reason to care. He can tweet as much as he likes, I think everyone will be happy to be able to finally tune out the noise.
2024 is an interesting prospect but I'm not su
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He goes from being the most powerful political figure in the world to being just another old rich dude with a big mouth. His supporters might still care what he has to say but the rest of the sane world no longer has a reason to care
Oh, how I wish you were right. But seeing how Trump has something like 91% support in the party and has now received 67.5+ million votes, I don't think we can dismiss his supporters at all. He may continue running the Republican party regardless of election outcome.
Plus I already saw a few (seemingly serious) articles about Trump Jr. 2024 [theguardian.com]. And hey, if Trump Sr. can get 67 million votes then why not Trump Jr.?
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a) Biden is such a damn good president that he repudiates what Trump stood for so thoroughly that even Trump supporters are forced to admit it,
Sadly, if no Trump repudiation came now (particularly given the covid handling), then it never will. I knew that many of his supporters don't care about his personality or have a problem with his policies, but I was so sure that the absolute mishandling of the pandemic will be the breaking point. That alone should have been enough to kick him out (particularly as the pandemic is not done yet and will kill many more), but 67.5+ million voters clearly disagree.
You know, the Democrats should have trounced him in 2016, and they should have trounced him in 2020.
In 2016 Democrats put up perhaps the only candida
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Biden's presidency will *start* with Trump bitching on Twitter nonstop from the sidelines
The great thing is, you don't have to read it.
Vermin Supreme (Score:3)
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Fluttershy is MINE !!!
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Watching from the north. (Score:1)
Missing option (Score:2)
Vladimir Putin is the only winner
It'll be close, and the winner may not take office (Score:2)
I think Biden is slightly more likely to win but it's going to be very close. And winning the popular vote and even the electoral college doesn't guarantee he'll take office.
If he does, he needs to take quick action to erect guardrails around his own office to prevent the sort of abuses of power Trump pulled off 3 times before lunch every day, and democratize the undemocratic systems that have brought the US to the brink of ending its democracy. Supreme court term limits, abolish the electoral college, end
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And then he'll need to get onto the main task of his job - I'd guess at least 98% of everything Trump did needs to be undone.
Yes, but that is literally impossible without control of the Senate and Democrats aren't getting that. Well, he can undo the executive orders stuff (which is something but not 98%).
What are the chances that if Republicans or the new Supreme Court actually get to push through some of their favorite policies -- will that finally create some voter backlash? I don't think half the country actually wants to see some of those things in action (e.g., repealing ACA or gay marriage).
One thing for sure (Score:2)
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Missing option (Score:2)
I voted for Kodos.
Fauci advice (Score:1)
Alien VS Predator (Score:1)
Whoever wins we lose.
Endgame (Score:1)
Re: Endgame (Score:2)
It will be difficult for the entire world not to get sucked into the swirling bowl of diarrhea we've made. You can express your contempt for us all you want, but don't believe you can stand back and avoid getting splashed.
Biden is going to make this one hurt (Score:2)
If I was to think of a scenario that would really hurt the Republicans and Trump supporters most it would be this one. They seemed to have the lead, it looked like a win, they would have been genuinely excited, but slowly, like a 77 year old man walking in front of you at the mall, Joe Biden creeps up (pun intended) and takes it state by state until he hits 270. PA isn't going to be needed but it would be a nice final punch in the nuts. Georgia would just be kicking a man while he's down, but it's not like
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The Beveridge Report (Score:4)
I still don't understand why Americans are sold on the idea that a modern welfare state, as delineated in the 1942 Beveridge Report (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beveridge_Report) is so evil. The UK government overwhelmingly supported it, and it dramatically reduced the five great evils in UK at the time: "Want, Disease, Ignorance, Squalor and Idleness".
It cost a lot. Lots of that money comes from the taxpayer. But that tax is ring-fenced from the politicians: It's not a socialist state.
The vast majority of UK citizens pay nothing for their healthcare at the time of need (when they are most vulnerable).
UK citizens don't even know what health insurance is, and that means there's no middlemen making a profit from overcharging and underdelivering.
There's a weird myth that UK citizens cannot choose their doctor. Of course we can. And, while the healthcare provision in the UK is not the very best in the world, it is still one of the best in the world.
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I still don't understand why Americans are sold on the idea that a modern welfare state, as delineated in the 1942 Beveridge Report (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beveridge_Report) is so evil.
99% of Americans don't know about the Beveridge Report. In America, we all believe in helping people who need help.
There's a weird myth that UK citizens cannot choose their doctor. Of course we can. And, while the healthcare provision in the UK is not the very best in the world, it is still one of the best in the world.
There's a weird myth that most people in the US do not have healthcare. Most Americans do, and for most of them, the healthcare is better than Medicare. A lot of doctors don't accept medicare.
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Thankyou.
I deserved being told off for the stereotyping.
I also recognise the ‘different’ americas in America.
But I also believe that there is still some truth in what I asked.
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Thank-you, again.
Regardless of your intent, I think that it is always good to 'check in' on broad brushstrokes / stereotyping.
I think there's a lot to your narrative also. It's good to 'meet' people who are able to provide good stories (I'm not implying that you are making this stuff up - but merely that whenever we write, we must select a narrative arc from the chaos of potential truths and facts).
As a European 'looking in from the outside', there are several things that I find so confusing about the USA
Deep State (Score:1)
If the deep state wins, We The People ALL lose. This is no longer about Republican vs Democrat - it is about us having a voice in the future of the country VS being ruled by unelected parties.
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Come on man! (Score:1)
Why this poll? (Score:1)
Oligarchs win almost 100% of the vote regardless.. (Score:2)
We, the People, have lost this election no matter who they decide had the most votes.
About the only option that would have caused potentially meaningful change was Jo Jorgensen, but she polled at around 1.9% in most states.
The outcome is still too close to call, which creates the unique and interesting situation for America that we now have to actually wait for the "final, hand counted results" from several key states to know who won. (Traditionally, it was possible to figure out which President a state wen
Missing options (Score:2)
* China
Isn't there anyone better? (Score:2)
I mean, it's like the Democrats are trying to lose. Putting up a 78 year old candidate, one who likes to fondle young girls in public, has a crackhead as a son, and by all evidence isn't quite there anymore. I mean: isn't there anyone better they could have nominated? This is what happens, when you have "machine" politics. It's not about the voters, or the policies - it's all about the elite passing the Ring of Power back and forth among themselves.
If I could vote in your election, I'd rather have Trump tha
I don't think Trump will necessarily win... (Score:2)
I predict they will just hand him a second term and effectively end our democracy. There's no way out of this that's good. EVen if Biden does get the white house.
Enjoy the show.... (Score:2)
https://operationq.pub/?n=4944 [operationq.pub] 'Nothing can stop what is coming' is not just a catch-phrase. -Q
https://www.cisa.gov/safecom/N... [cisa.gov] "NCSWIC"
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Florida man speaks. And it is wrong as usual. How soon they forget the popular vote means nothing.
The fix is out.
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