# Daylight Saving Time ...

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Bothers me not at all
Bothers me, but only slightly
Bothers me quite a bit
Bothers everyone around me as I rant and fume
Strikes me as quite a good idea
What is this 'Daylight Saving Time,' anyhow?

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## Daylight Saving Time ...

• #### Are we not advanced enough to use UTC Time? (Score:4, Interesting)

by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 09, 2014 @10:06AM (#46439369)

I think we should standardize on UTC time everywhere. Forget timezones and 'Savings Time'. One time for all - would it really bother us if we had to wake up at 03:00 and it was daylight?

• #### Re:Are we not advanced enough to use UTC Time? (Score:4, Insightful)

on Sunday March 09, 2014 @11:33AM (#46439787) Homepage
This is such a stupid Idea! Assume is't 12:00 UTC, you work in Moscow but need to contact someone in Chicago. Are the people in Chicago up and at work or should I wait a while? Now assume it's 4:00PM in Moscow, is anyone at work in Chicago? I guess I could be wrong but I think the mental calculation is easier.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

Obligatory relevant XKCD: NOW [slashdot.org]
• #### Re:Are we not advanced enough to use UTC Time? (Score:5, Informative)

on Sunday March 09, 2014 @11:56AM (#46439921) Homepage
Aaaand one more time XKCD: NOW [xkcd.com]
• #### Re:Are we not advanced enough to use UTC Time? (Score:5, Insightful)

on Sunday March 09, 2014 @11:55AM (#46439915) Homepage Journal

I think we should standardize on UTC time everywhere. Forget timezones and 'Savings Time'. One time for all - would it really bother us if we had to wake up at 03:00 and it was daylight?

We have standardized on UTC. We are just following the principle of separating View from Logic.

• #### Very confusing at first (Score:2)

Everytime when I stay in Ürümqi [wikipedia.org], which is the most West 'capital' in P.R. of China and almost two times zones to the west of Beijing, I have a very had time adjusting to the fact that they use Beijing time and do everything two hours later. Working hours are 10 to 14 and 16 to 20. Dinner is around 20:30. I find myself being confused and having to substract two hours from the clock to know what time of the day it is. And also having experienced a change in currency (Dutch Guilders to Euro), I expec
• #### Re:Are we not advanced enough to use UTC Time? (Score:5, Funny)

on Sunday March 09, 2014 @03:40PM (#46440919)

If you - and everyone on Slashdot that agrees with you - didn't select "bothers everyone around me as I rant and fume"...

• #### Re:Are we not advanced enough to use UTC Time? (Score:5, Funny)

on Tuesday March 11, 2014 @11:24AM (#46454805) Homepage Journal

( ) lunisolar ( ) atomic ( ) metric ( ) Luddite (x) overly simplistic
approach to calendar reform. Your idea will not work. Here is why:

( ) solar years are real and the calendar year needs to sync with them
(x) solar days are real and the calendar day needs to sync with them
( ) the solar year cannot be evenly divided into solar days
( ) the solar day cannot be evenly divided into SI seconds
( ) the length of the solar day is not constant

( ) the lunar month cannot be evenly divided into solar days
( ) the solar year cannot be evenly divided into lunar months
( ) having months of different lengths is irritating
( ) having months which vary in length from year to year is maddening
( ) having one or two days per year which are part of no month is stupid
( ) your name for the thirteenth month is questionable

( ) the lunar month cannot be evenly divided into seven-day weeks
( ) the solar year cannot be evenly divided into seven-day weeks
( ) every civilisation in the world is settled on a seven-day week
( ) having one or two days per year with no day of the week is asinine

( ) requiring people to manually adjust their clocks is idiotic
( ) local time should not be discontinuous
( ) local time should not go backwards
( ) people like to go to work/school at the same time every day all year round
( ) "daylight saving" doesn't

( ) UTC already solves that problem
( ) zoneinfo already solves that problem
( ) rearranging time zones yet again would make the zoneinfo database larger,
not smaller
(x) the date shouldn't change in the middle of the solar day
(x) local "midnight" should be the middle of the local night
( ) I shouldn't need to adjust my wristwatch every few miles

( ) there needs to be a year 0 and negative year numbers
( ) no, we don't know what year the Big Bang happened
( ) years which count down instead of up are not very funny
( ) planetary-scale engineering is impractical
( ) not every part of the world has four recognisable seasons
( ) "sunrise" and "sunset" are meaningless terms at the poles
( ) the Earth is not, in fact, a cube
( ) high-tech applications need far more accuracy than your scheme allows
( ) leap seconds have been a fact of life for more than forty years
( ) leap seconds are more frequent than leap years
( ) TAI already solves that problem
( ) most of history can't be renumbered with atomic accuracy
( ) everybody in the world is already used to sexagesimal time divisions
( ) date formats need to be unambiguous
( ) abbreviated date formats should be possible and still unambiguous
( ) date arithmetic needs to be as easy as possible
( ) 13-digit numbers are difficult for humans to compare, even qualitatively
Specifically, your plan fails to account for:

(x) humans
( ) clocks
( ) computers
( ) the Moon
( ) the inconsistent rotational and orbital characteristics of Earth
( ) rational hatred for arbitrary change
( ) unpopularity of weird new month and day names
( ) total incompatibility with the SI second
( ) general relativity
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

( ) technically, our calendar is already atomic
( ) they tried that in France once and it didn't take
( ) nobody is about to renumber every event in history
( ) good luck trying to move the Fourth of July
( ) nobody cares what year you were born
( ) the history of calendar reform is horrifically complicated and no amount of
further calendar reform can make it simpler
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) sorry, but I don't think it would work
( ) this is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it

• #### Corporate bureacracy (Score:3)

on Sunday March 09, 2014 @10:59AM (#46439649) Homepage

In theory it would be better if the clock didn't change and everyone just adjusted their schedules, but it is easier to change time itself than to deal with corporate bureacracy and feet draging.

And who doesn't like more daytime?

• #### Re: (Score:2)

So what you're saying is that daylight saving time was created by the Vogons?

• #### Re:Corporate bureacracy (Score:4, Informative)

<dublet@acm . o rg> on Sunday March 09, 2014 @12:13PM (#46440011) Homepage Journal

In the UK, it's Scottish farmers who want the early day light. There have been some experiments here with regards to either abolishing it or doing a "double day light savings" (essentially changing to CET).

http://www.rmg.co.uk/explore/a... [rmg.co.uk]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B... [wikipedia.org]
http://www.theguardian.com/com... [theguardian.com]

• #### Re: (Score:2)

In the UK, it's Scottish farmers who want the early day light. There have been some experiments here with regards to either abolishing it or doing a "double day light savings" (essentially changing to CET).

http://www.rmg.co.uk/explore/a... [rmg.co.uk] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B... [wikipedia.org] http://www.theguardian.com/com... [theguardian.com]

I didn't bother to read your links (this is /., after all), but farmers I know here in the states don't give a shit what the clock says - they work during daylight hours, whatever they may be.

• #### Corporate bureaucracy is not the problem (Score:2)

I've never had an employer tell me what time to be at the office and what time to leave, as long as I make the hours they're paying me for, and my workday at least largely overlaps with that of my colleagues - otherwise, what's even the point of going to the office?

If anything, it's useful that not everyone starts at the same time. This way there are team members available at the office for about 12 hours a day, without anyone having to work insane hours. Some start around 7 am, others around 10.

The single

• #### I like DST but... (Score:5, Insightful)

on Sunday March 09, 2014 @12:14PM (#46440025) Homepage Journal

... Can we keep it there forever? Stop changing it back and forth please.

• #### Here in Arizona (Score:2)

...We don't use Commie time schemes. It's Mountain Standard all year long.

• #### Ben Franklin was joking... (Score:2)

...when he proposed to tax shutters and wake people at sunrise by ringing bells and firing cannons. In his recounting, he had gone "home, and to bed, three or four hours after midnight, with my head full of the subject" (of artificial lighting), as well as probably a few bottles of French wine. The premise is that he is surprised that the sun comes up so early and doubtful that anyone gets up before noon ("it will be difficult to induce them to rise before noon").

Translation here: http://www.webexhibits.or [webexhibits.org]

• #### Not as much trouble as it used to be.... (Score:3)

on Sunday March 09, 2014 @03:10PM (#46440791)

The change of time used to be a twice a year annoyance but since computers started to adjust themselves; cell phones sync time to whatever time server the carrier used and the wall and alarm clocks I have wirelessly sync to the radio time signal the only clocks I have to adjust manually are the microwave and the car. So not so annoying as it used to be.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

By "computers" you mean "internet connected devices that receive updates". I develop firmware for data logging eqipment and our customers ask about implementing DST. We tell them it is impossible because the rules vary around the world and they keep changing them anyway, so even if we did it in five years time the rules might be wrong.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

"Running around the house setting the clocks" is the LEAST annoying part of the change.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

"Running around the house setting the clocks" is the LEAST annoying part of the change.

Unless you do it when the time actually changes, at 2 AM.

• #### Stick to one time all year round. (Score:2, Insightful)

by Anonymous Coward

DST was a WW1 con-trick (at least in the UK) to "maximise" daylight working time for agricultural purposes. This sort of fiddling with the clock is pointless nowadays and we need to settle down to a standard time all year round. And there arises a problem - which standard do we use? In the UK, we could always stick to our local time, GMT. But there are othes who want to move to CET so that either mornings or evenings are "lighter" in winter (I can't remember which) and is a "Think of the Children" ploy

• #### day light savings can really pay off (Score:4, Interesting)

on Sunday March 09, 2014 @05:52PM (#46441599)
I saved up enough daylight savings to move somewhere it doesn't exist, Hawaii.
• #### Light at 4am (Score:2)

I miss daylight savings, at my latitude (Brisbane, Australia) in summer it gets light at 4:30 am. Install all the block out blinds you want, the birds still go nuts and early risers will be out making noise. I don't know why our state doesn't have it, slightly further south they do.

• #### Re: (Score:3)

I miss daylight savings, at my latitude (Brisbane, Australia) in summer it gets light at 4:30 am. Install all the block out blinds you want, the birds still go nuts and early risers will be out making noise. I don't know why our state doesn't have it, slightly further south they do.

Maybe your state realized that merely changing the wall clock isn't going to make the wretched birds shut up.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

I miss daylight savings, at my latitude (Brisbane, Australia) in summer it gets light at 4:30 am. Install all the block out blinds you want, the birds still go nuts and early risers will be out making noise. I don't know why our state doesn't have it, slightly further south they do.

Maybe your state realized that merely changing the wall clock isn't going to make the wretched birds shut up.

Of course not - that's the general idea. You change the wall clock so that "normal" hours for people match the wildlife. He wouldn't be bitching if the birds started at 5:30 (which the clock would read if his state went on DST).

on Sunday March 09, 2014 @10:29PM (#46442757) Homepage

A lot of my work involves processing time series data as well as administering dual-boot workstations.

Daylight savings time can eat flaming death.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

Where I work, we call that "job security." :-)

• #### We don't bother... that is AZ doesn't... (Score:2)

Except for the Navjo Nation up in the NE corner of the State... we don't play the clock game. Just leave it where it is all year long.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

I loved telecommuting from AZ to St. Louis, I'm an early persona and started half the year at 6AM, and then the other half at 5AM. Finishing work at 1:30 was awesome. It was funny that I never actually got away from the time changes.

• #### Bothers me only a bit (Score:2)

I hear the rants, and I often find myself agreeing.

However, I'm usually relieved when it happens.

I work from 8am-7pm almost every day of the week. It's a relief in Spring to set the clock forward, because it increases the amount of daylight I experience on my own time. Makes a big difference to me.

And I like sleeping in, so falling back in Autumn is kewl. :P

• #### In the UK I think we would be better (Score:4, Interesting)

on Monday March 10, 2014 @04:30AM (#46443749)
In the UK I think we would be better off keeping summer time all year round, or shifting all the time an hour forward all year round as the lighter later [lighterlater.org] campaign wants. It really doesn't matter so much in summer when the days are so long so either option would do for me.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

Keeping summer time all year round, would lead to it getting dark at 3pm on the winter solistice, that's crazy, want to leave work in the light at much as possible. In the summer its good we have BST, leads to saving on lighting as it doesn't get dark till later, but still wake up for work in the light most of the time. Forget the moaner, i think we have the right time system.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

Keeping summer time all year round, would lead to it getting dark at 3pm on the winter solistice, that's crazy, want to leave work in the light at much as possible.

Uhm no - you've got it the wrong way round. It would mean that its still light until 5 instead of 4 at the moment; you get an hour extra light in the evening and an hour less in the morning.

• #### Just toss DST to the bin already (Score:2)

Changing hours twice a year disrupts circadian rythms and causes unnecessary fatigue, which exacerbates inattention and causes accidents and deaths. The whole thing is preposterous and should be scraped ASAP.

• #### quick fix (Score:2)

Twice a year, we keep switching by one whole hour...
Why not change once and for all by 30 minutes to average the daylight gain/loss and call it a day?

• #### Missing Option (Score:2)

Should change randomly every year to drive IT spending.
• #### Idiocy (Score:2)

Daylight Saving time is a complete waste of time. It has never saved energy and has always been nothing more that a politcal "feel good" item. it sounds like you are doing something when nothing actually happens. Just screw around with everyones body clock and shorten their lives.
• #### Depending where you are... (Score:2)

In a timezone, in a territory or state which observes DST changes, depending upon how far east (sooner the sun rises) or further west (later the sun sets) and what activities you engage in (out of doors - because inside, you could care less 'what bright thing in the sky? aaaahhhh it burns ussss!') you may view it differently.

I Geocache. The change means more daylight time after work for running amok. Before the change I get most of the amok running done before work ('How come you come in to the office cov

• #### I actually wish we had night time savings (Score:3)

on Monday March 10, 2014 @01:05PM (#46446671)

I live in Arizona you insensitive clod.

• #### Local Radio Station does a DST song (Score:2)

Top Ten Things Overheard At The ANSI C Draft Committee Meetings: (3) Ha, ha, I can't believe they're actually going to adopt this sucker.

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