
Most Men Would Marry Their AI Girlfriends If It Were Legal (vice.com) 152
An anonymous reader quotes a report from VICE News: EVA AI, a platform allowing you to create and connect with your own AI partner, recently surveyed 2,000 men and found that 8 in 10 would consider marrying an AI girlfriend if it were legal. Not only that, but 83% of men also believe they could form a deep emotional bond with an AI girlfriend. What's even scarier is that a whopping 78% of men surveyed said they would consider creating a replica of their ex, and three-quarters would duplicate their current partner to create a "polished" version of them. "AI companionship allows people to be their authentic selves without fear of judgment," said Cale Jones, head of community growth at EVA AI. "It creates a safe space to explore thoughts, emotions, and desires that might feel too vulnerable to share in real life. The benefits extend far beyond the virtual world: one EVA AI user discovered her bisexuality through this platform -- something she previously felt too insecure to explore in real life."
Holy selection bias batman (Score:5, Interesting)
Survey was run by an AI company. Occam's razor says the result is heavily influenced by selection bias.
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Survey was run by an AI company. Occam's razor says the result is heavily influenced by selection bias.
Not only that, but such a survey is sort of silly in the first place. The easiest thing for the AI company is to just make up the results. Same results, same effect, much easier to do, no way to tell the difference.
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Note that when the replication crisis hit. No one even offered the explanation of “Hmm, maybe it's not reproducible because they made up their data, and we should start an investigation?
Because the elephant in the room was that everyone already know a large portion of scientific data wouldn't be reproducible. There's something very wrong when the first instinct at a lack of reproduction is “It can happen.” rather than “Fraud is at play.”.” If it “can simply happen
Re:Holy selection bias batman (Score:4, Insightful)
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Be that as it may, I have no problems believing that every man who has an AI girlfriend would indeed be inclined to marrying it.
This is the correct take.
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We could rephrase as, "9 out of 10 incels would . . ."
hawk
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Even without that. Consider that pretty much no survey one will ever read about ever does not have a huge selection bias in it.
Even if they went through all the difficulties of trying to at least randomly select people from the population, and of course, when going with addresses and calling people, one won't get the homeless. There is still the obvious problem that people can't be forced, so one selects upon “being willing to donate one's time” which no correlates with many other factors of cou
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Strong counter arguments you got there. Made me reconsider everything.
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What's to argue against? Nothing you said has any basis in reality.
Just one example out of many:
Consider that of a lot of psychological research one reads that they surveyed “500 people”, this was in fact “500 psychology students all attending the same university.” or ar at least a lot of psychology students in there, not exactly a reflection of mankind as a hole.
I defy you to find a single study that doesn't disclose anything about the demographics of their sample OR that claims their results are globally applicable.
Like most anti-science crackpots, you very obviously don't know what you're talking about.
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That's beyond easy
Yet you still failed to provide even one example. Pathetic
You're nothing but joke.
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I literally provided two in that post and pointed out the potential issues of the sampling it didn't account for and also said how I found them.
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What you've shown is that you don't understand basic science.
Like I said, you're nothing but a joke. Fuck off with your anit-science bullshit. We're not interested in your ignorant nonsense.
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No actually, what you've shown time and time again is that you don't have a counter argument and come with vague unfalsifiable claims, not to mention that you don't fully read posts since I obviously did post them, you just didn't read past the start of the post.
Re: Holy selection bias batman (Score:3)
Its still notable. It suggests the men who use AI bots are not simply lonely and trying out a technology, but that they are demonstrating they are completely unhinged.
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Re:You bet. (Score:5, Informative)
But in addition to selection bias, most modern women are undateable. They accept nothing less than the top 10% of men, expect the princess treatment, contribute nothing to the relationship beyond their appearance.
A somewhat recent (2020) Pew report [pewresearch.org] says that even in the 18-29 age group, 49% of men and 68% of women are partnered (married or otherwise with a partner). Furthermore, as people age, the percentage of single people decrease (except for 65+ women that are widowed). That is, most women find a partner. And actually most men also find a partner.
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in the 18-29 age group, 49% of men and 68% of women are partnered
How does that work out, numerically? Assuming that homosexuality is roughly evenly distributed among the sexes, who is the difference of 19% partnered to? The study shows that one in five women is partnered to someone well outside their age range?
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Re: You bet. (Score:2)
Re: You bet. (Score:4, Informative)
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Honestly, men ARE attracted to a whiny pussy, but after a while they get tired and find another pussy
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Re: You bet. (Score:2)
"They accept nothing less than the top 10% of men"
How would you know? You're obviously in the bottom 10%, so you have no frame of reference.
Re: You bet. (Score:2)
Evie Magazine? Excellent scientific source...
Glad I'm in the top 10% then.
Re:You bet. (Score:4, Funny)
Let's play a game called "SPOT THE INCEL".
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The macho habit of pumping them and du ping the is the reason they act that way in the first place!
Re: You bet. (Score:2)
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Yep. They just dream about the pumping before the dumping.
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No they wouldn't. (Score:4, Interesting)
Why marry an obedient, subservient thing that has no legal rights, especially one that's a virtual thing... and then endure social pariah status from their peers.
If the claim is that number was any higher than 1/10 and the survey pool was not "men who have never gone outside and met a real woman", and they weren't laughing as they answered, I'm going to call bullshit. An epic, mountain-high pile of bullshit.
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Why marry an obedient, subservient thing that has no legal rights,
I don't know you would have to ask the Republican party and the Christian nationalists that run it.
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What the hell are you going on about? You're the one who blames republicans because your life savings still isn't enough for a realdoll.
Re: No they wouldn't. (Score:2)
"ArmoredDragon" What a name. Just how insecure are you? What was your thought process?
Explained in my user bio. But I'll go ahead and spell it out: The formal name for that MOS in modern times is Armored Reconnaissance Specialist. Prior to that we were simply Cavalry. The even older/traditional name for it is Dragoon.
But here's the bigger question: Why do you feel the need to say all of that as AC?
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Why marry an obedient, subservient thing that has no legal rights,
I don't know you would have to ask the Republican party and the Christian nationalists that run it.
This is the correct take.
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The qualifier here seems to be "if it were legal". Legal meaning incurring some benefits, chief among them tax benefits. Shit, if I could get the tax breaks that come with marriage without having to assume the financial risk of divorce, sign me up. Not that I'd ever do anything with it, but last I checked that's not a requirement for marriage. Most people would lose their shit if their taxes as a percentage of their liquid income were as high as mine are.
Tax benefits are literally the one and only interest
Re:No they wouldn't. (Score:5, Insightful)
>only interest I have in marriage at all. It seems so pointless otherwise. Its practical usefulness ended after the industrial revolution.
I'd say starting around 1948, at least in the West. Prior to that it was still pretty damn devastating to be a single non-virginal woman, or worse, a single mother, unless you enjoyed poverty. At least after that women could start to get jobs that paid decently and not have to look at marriage as their primary means of survival.
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LOL! The risk of divorce very obviously isn't why you never married.
Re: No they wouldn't. (Score:2)
As a matter of fact, the girl I'd been doing booty calls with for the past two years asked me if I would marry her a few months ago. And she has a practical reason in mind, though unrelated to taxes. Basically she's a student and she wants an easier path to permanent residency. The risk is just too high though, I could be stuck paying alimony each month at an amount higher than your annual income, and no prenuptial agreement can prevent that.
You've already made your reason clear though: You have no interest
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Re: No they wouldn't. (Score:2)
Look, we all deeply crave being in a monogamous relationship.
And why would you need to be married to do that?
Re:No they wouldn't. (Score:4, Funny)
It wasn't a normal survey, they got the AI to ask.
"Hey baby, how are you tonight?"
"I'm good baby. Want to get into something more comfortable?"
"Oh, do I ever! Just one thing first... if you could, would you marry me baby?"
"Uh, yeah, yeah, of course."
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get into something more comfortable means Let me take the protective cover off the USB plug for you‘
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get into something more comfortable means Let me take the protective cover off the USB plug for you‘
I think you're supposed to leave the
cover on the plug. And then replace it
when you are finished! Whether you think
it's for "safe computing" because it's USB,
or just because that plug is going to be a
but disgusting after you use it.
Personally, I'm not into that kind of polarity.
Output channel is strictly for output.
But I'm not judging. Just trying to help
you not get a bacterial or other infection.
Re: No they wouldn't. (Score:2)
"just because that plug is going to be a
but disgusting"
That's a different kind of plug.
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The worst part is that the AI will be owned by a corporation, determined to exact every penny they can from the victim. The monthly subscription will just be the start of it. The Marriage DLC will cost as much as a high end wedding.
Most Men? (Score:3, Insightful)
They asked the weirdos on an AI "partner" site... and then extrapolated "most men" out of that heavily biased sample..
That's like walking into an Apple Store and asking the folks which they like better, Apple or Android.
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Re: Most Men? (Score:2)
In other news, "most men" would have several girlfriends, if the option is open to them... and not marry any of them.
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Well, AI girlfriend is better than Open source ASCII art porn written in Vi I suppose, but has the disadvantage of talking back.
Don’t date robots (Score:5, Funny)
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It's a shame they didn't show the next few frames, where Fry is making out with his robot instead of watching the propaganda.
I got to say though, after watching that video, it makes some really good points. Why would we bother if we had our own self-cleaning Marylin Monroe bot? You would still have friends but not a romantic one.
Really, mixing sex and money is a terrible idea and that's what modern marriage is. A terrible idea. I say this but I'll probably do it again one day but it still a terrible idea!
Re: Don’t date robots (Score:2)
"Why would we bother if we had our own self-cleaning Marylin Monroe bot? You would still have friends but not a romantic one."
For the same reason we have living, human partners even though there are sex toys. It's enjoyable to make that connection with someone. It feels good not just physically, but also emotionally.
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And the most important point which the Fururama PR clip left out: Men who don't date women are depriving those women of the opportunity to have a divorce. What a bunch of insensitive cads!
Re: Don't date robots (Score:3)
According to several publicly traded companies, AI agents are not "bots", so it's all okay! :thumbs up:
Most men? BS (Score:5, Insightful)
A company that offers AI girlfriends says 80% of its customers would marry their AI girlfriend if they could. This is not "most men". This is a majority opinion of the incredibly small minority of men who actually pay for an AI girlfriend.
They don't define "if they could". Did they mean if the AI girlfriend was a real person? This is basically asking if they would ever get married if they met their dream partner. Not exactly revealing information.
This "report" was 100% advertising PR. What's next, a Slashdot story on how 9 out of 10 dentists recommend sugarless gum?
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What's next, a Slashdot story on how 9 out of 10 dentists recommend sugarless gum?
Or a story on how 9 out of 10 men prefer women -- real or artificial -- with large breasts.
And the 10th guy prefers the 9 other men.
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I suspect there's also the presumption of a physical sex toy in that too. "Cherry 2000" anyone?
Checking the date... (Score:2)
...nope, not April 1
Must be a more obscure holiday celebrating the absurd
Marry someone else's property? (Score:2)
Re: Marry someone else's property? (Score:4, Funny)
What about the kids? Digital babysitting ?
You monster ! You would deny a whole new sector of the economy?
I wish I were joking
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Wait. Think of the jobs. How about offering digital wedding services? (Ai generated) photos of the big day. Virtual wedding cakes. Webcasts to your friends. Its a whole secondary market .... how about legal services for digital divorces? How about online surveillance after she marries someone else after the divorce ?
What about the kids? Digital babysitting ?
You monster ! You would deny a whole new sector of the economy?
I wish I were joking
Rather, think of the tax implications, you now get to do a joint filing which in many countries increases the threshold on higher tax brackets... And you get to claim Waifubot as a dependent who has few actual dependent costs (no need for food, medical care, et al). Also there's no risk of divorce and her taking the house.
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Didn't Futurama cover this?
Not most men (Score:3)
This is not "most men". This is "most of the subset of men who were desperate enough to sign up for an AI girlfriend."
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where they told no citizenship from that? (Score:3)
where they told no citizenship from that?
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This story is complete, total, obvious bullhit. (Score:2)
So why is it here?
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We have stories on LLMs, crapto, people that think they can go to Mars and other bullshit here. This one does not even stand out that much.
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I have not and I will not. Just because some stupid people think something is great does not mean I have to try it. Incidentally, you just nicely illustrated a fallacy and used an AdHominem. Pretty much means your claims are insightless crap.
Re: This story is complete, total, obvious bullhit (Score:2)
Why Buy the Cow When You're . . . Huh? (Score:2)
EVA AI Plans Pricing
1 Month Plan
$13.99 per Month
3 Month Plan
$7 per month for 3 months
12 Month Plan
$4 per month if paid for 12 Months
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Re: Why Buy the Cow When You're . . . Huh? (Score:2)
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What happens when your subscription ends? (Score:3)
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If it does, do you have to hand over your house and half your stuff to the AI company?
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It depends (Score:2)
Does this hypothetical AI girlfriend make more money than me, enough for me to be a stay-at-home husband?
We already can assume she's better looking and of a higher social status than me. So income is the only check box left for the ideal wife.
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Give me a humanoid robot that can do all the chores around the house, keep up a conversation on a variety of topics, and has incredible sexual skills programmed into it, and my wife and I are gonna have a bit of a talk.
But I guess she can have her male sexbot, so it'll all probably work out OK.
Not marry, but.. (Score:2)
I wouldn't mind having a companion around with intelligence to converse with, whether analog or digital*.
Digital would be cheaper.
*Still waiting for the I in AI to mean actually highly intelligent.
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Actual general intelligence in there? Sure. Would be great as an assistant and sounding board. As long as it is not a service but runs on my own hardware. But I do not expect that to become possible in the next few decades.
Bullshit report is bullshit (Score:2)
Having an "AI girlfriend" already makes them not "most men". This report is nonsense.
On the other hand, if that is what works for these people, sure no issue. Kink-shaming is lame and shows deep personal insecurity.
So anything can make it into the /. headlines? (Score:2)
Much of the time I feel I am like most men, some times I wish I were more like most men, and some times I'm happy I am not like most men. Marrying AIs would have fallen in the latter category, if this research had any bearing on what I would have considered to be the qualities and properties of "most men".
On a related note, according to a recent Norwegian survey, 10 in 10 kids responded they want more screen time on saturday mornings. This may indicate Norwegian parents are stricter with screen time than ot
Who cares? (Score:2)
Obviously the numbers are all fucked up, and the summary doesn't align... but as for the fellows who self-report as willing, just add another letter to the list. Or add a secondary letter - maybe an A - to the one you've landed on. And let them marry. Until there's an actual identity conferred to the AI, with the underpinnings like ID information, "birth certificate" (date of instantiation?), income, financial dependence, etc., it's a meaningless concession. And in the absence of victims or harm, I say let
Errrmm ... Why?!?? (Score:2)
Marriage is a contract between to humans. Why would I _marry_ a robot if I can _own_ it? That makes no sense.
Likewise, in this day and age, if I were rich enough I'd likely employ a concubine rather than marry. And if I world marry, I'd only do so with an absolutely watertight prenup.
Sure, I would spoil that concubine an treat her like my true love (because she actually would be exactly that) and I would also absolutely select her for traits that push my buttons, preferably all of them, but that would be wa
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Well, you could get the tax benefits of filing married jointly. Also, your robot wife would be forbidden from testifying against you in court.
Re: Errrmm ... Why?!?? (Score:2)
They want to marry the robot because they think they would no longer have to pay the monthly fee.
Sort of like dating - you no longer have to buy dinners, gifts, and flowers once you put that ring on her finger.
Most AI firms recommend their own service (Score:2)
most men (Score:2)
Most men don't have AI girlfriends.
Big Lou (Score:2)
Do you have three ex-AI-wives and your current trophy waifu wants a monthly service contract three times the size of the policy you had to purchase for you previous mistakes?
If so, you need to call Big Data at Term Provider.
Big Data has been tracking your cookies for years and is intimately familiar with your problems. And desires. If you're a male with a healthy bank account aged 18-90, Big Data can find you an AI wife that doesn't care how much video games you play or whether you have problems with your "
Could someone tell me... (Score:2)
Futurama (Score:2)
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So, it's all about sex, not commitment and responsibility, got it. Love, especially philia love, is not important: Got it.
Deal with it.
As long as you approve, you mean.
FIX YOUR SHIT.
Translation: It's the mans' fault.
Re: So, 1600 sad excuses for men? (Score:2)
"philia love, is not important:"
It's not love if the software literally cannot love you back. It's mental illness.
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No anonymous coward? I disrespect your opinion, but I respect your bravery.
Also, “hypergamy” is such a dumb meme term. It's just a special term for “Wanting the best one can have in relationship.”, yes, obviously, everyone wants the best he can have in every single thing ever and settles out of lack of being able to get it. I too would like the latest amazing graphics card, trifold phone and whatever fancy clothes money can buy, but I don't have the money for that, so I settle for wh