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Comment Re:Will AI ever make it better/more-secure? (Score 1) 19

Eventually, what will happen with software is what happened with all other engineering disciplines: Regulation, liability (can be personal liability on top of organizational one, we already have some of that in some places) and qualification requirements. And then doing it on the cheap becomes very expensive.

How to fix this on the software side is known: Resilient security via redundancy, i.e. more than one mechanism ensuring each security property. Then a vulnerability is typically not exploitable. That is expensive, slow and takes real engineers to do it. But it is the only way. And eventually it will be enforced.

Comment Re:Predict a rise in defensive languages & lib (Score 1) 19

We haven't seen a vibe coded app causing the demise of a large corporation, though it will happen.

That or technological debt and maybe comprehension debt (nobody understand things enough to fix them anymore when the AI cannot do it) will eventually cause some really spectacular failure and yes, the end of some large player.

Comment Re: Will AI ever make it better/more-secure? (Score 1) 19

You are absolutely correct that even the best models are still slop generators., and realistically- that will probably never changed.

These things will always be a complex trade-off of what's reasonable. Me, personally- I long ago realized they'd always be slop generators- and relegate them to things I'm ok being slop. One-off tools that I have no intention of maintaining, mostly.

No argument from me about any of that. The concern I have is that many people responsible for code do not understand in which places slop is fine and in which places it is not.

Comment Re: What a bunch of blithering idiots (Score 0) 19

Yes. But that means LLMs are not fit to be used by non-experts. (Which is something I am more and more think is the case, actually.) And the fault for giving non-experts access lies squarely with the LLM sellers and the C-levels in companies pushing their use.

These things don't think. They don't reason. They are random token generators. You people are hooking up random token generators to your IT infrastructure. You're a fucking moron. You deserve to get hacked. Your organization deserves to be laughed out of business.

Yes to all of that. Unfortunately the problem has gotten very large by now.

Comment Re:What a bunch of blithering idiots (Score 1) 19

Users do not and cannot understand the issue. They are not IT experts. Tools that make these mistakes too easy are 100% at fault. Blaming the user is just an attempt at shifting blame. Unless IT people finally start admitting that, things are not going to improve.

Comment What a bunch of blithering idiots (Score 1, Insightful) 19

Not the users, the makers of Claude. (The users just do not know any better and that is entirely expected.) Looks to me like the people at Anthropic have zero clue about IT security and they make pathetic beginner's mistakes. Are these really the people you want to trust with your secrets?

Comment Re:Will AI ever make it better/more-secure? (Score 1) 19

AGI on the other hand, will almost certainly make systems more secure for itself. Because asking you, is as irrelevant is asking a 2-year old.

Do you mean the fake AGI with the current definitions the LLM assholes are using? Or real AGI? Because for the latter nobody knows what it would do. It may just put in clever backdoors to give itself access or to give you the finger. On the plus side, nobody with a clue knows whether real AGI is even possible.

Comment Re: Will AI ever make it better/more-secure? (Score 1) 19

LLMs introduce tons of security bugs, unless very carefully prompted. But the skills to prompt like that are the same skills that a regular developer would have needed to not make these mistakes, or find them in review and testing. Well, prompting is actually harder because it is more abstract. Now, available evidence suggests most devs cannot write secure code and that directly means they cannot prompt for secure code either. And an additional problem is that an LLM may screw it up even when carefully prompted due to hallucinations, compression and other effects.

All in all, AI code is slop and will remain slop. If that works for you, fine. If you need more, do not let AI write your code.

Comment Re:Will AI ever make it better/more-secure? (Score 1) 19

AI, will almost certainly make systems more secure. It's already finding vulnerabilities at a rate we humans couldn't.

Not at all. It is finding vulnerabilities that the devs did not check for, that the devs know about but thought could no be exploited and vulnerabilities that competent tool use would have found much faster and competent software engineering would have avoided in the first place.

This is a straw fire.

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