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Has Gratuity Culture Reached a Tipping Point? (newyorker.com) 215

Paying extra for service has inspired rebellions, swivelling iPads, and irritation from Trotsky and Larry David. Post-pandemic, the practice has entered a new stage. The New Yorker: Tips have long provided a convenient way to foist payment obligations onto others. Kerry Segrave, the author of the comprehensive history "Tipping," identified the gratuity's potential origins, in Europe during the late Middle Ages. By the seventeenth century, visitors to aristocratic estates were expected to pay "vails" to the staff. This might have lowered payroll for the estate itself. At least one aristocrat helped himself to some of this new income stream; he threw frequent parties to increase revenues. The system spread. English coffeehouses were said to set out urns inscribed with "To Insure Promptitude." Customers tossed in coins. Eventually, the inscription was shortened to "tip." By the end of the nineteenth century, some business owners demanded their employees' tips. Some cafes charged waiters a fee for the privilege of working there. In France, tips were placed directly into a wooden box called le tronc, controlled by the proprietor. French waiters went on strike in 1907, identifying two of the great evils of their profession: le tronc, and a ban on mustaches. They eventually prevailed on both counts.

American visitors to Europe brought tipping back to the United States. Perhaps no entity did more to spread the practice than the Pullman Company. George Pullman preferred hiring formerly enslaved Black men as railroad porters. He paid them as little as possible, and used tips as a subsidy. The system spread as far as the train lines. By the nineteen-twenties, the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters estimated that the policy had saved the Pullman Company a hundred and fifty million dollars. The porters had long fought to eliminate tipping. Their efforts had been rebuffed by the Pullman Company's president and, later, chairman, Robert Todd Lincoln.

Once the practice gets its hooks in, it can be hard to dislodge. In New York, at the turn of the twentieth century, some enterprising concessionaires paid restaurants thousands of dollars a year to run their coatrooms. These concessionaires became known as the tip trust. At least one dressed young women in theatrical French-maid outfits to collect coats, hats, and tips; the young women turned over all revenues to the trust. (When skimming was discovered, the trusts banned pockets.) Men joked that they bought a hat for five dollars and paid seventy-three dollars a year to wear it. A hat manufacturer sold roll-up models that men could hide inside their coats. The greatest of the tip-trust barons, known as the Hatcheck King, brought in the equivalent of sixty million dollars a year. The trusts were powerful politically. Today, businesses in New York are not allowed to take their employees' tips, with one exception: hat-and-coat checks.

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Has Gratuity Culture Reached a Tipping Point?

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  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @01:05PM (#64109443)

    get rid of the tipped min wage and let tips come down to say 10% max.

    • by Scutter ( 18425 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @01:10PM (#64109461) Journal

      Or just get rid of tipping altogether and pay people a livable wage.

      • by taustin ( 171655 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @01:46PM (#64109637) Homepage Journal

        I agree. I'd much rather see 20% higher prices on the menu and a sign that says "we do not accept tips."

        And sure as hell not going to - ever - give a tip at a drive thru. Or go back, for that matter.

        • The drive through places are paying a lot more than state min untipped wage. It is 40k/year to work a window in late shift, please stop using that example, that has been corrected.
          • You are both right.

            They get paid regualar wages and yet the credit card machines still ask if you want to leave a tip.

            Same with to-go orders.

          • by taustin ( 171655 )

            The drive through places are paying a lot more than state min untipped wage. It is 40k/year to work a window in late shift,

            Depends on the drive thru place. I don't expect the average McDonald's is paying that much to the 16 year old, no.

            please stop using that example, that has been corrected.

            I can't stop using it as an example, since I never did so in the first place. In point of fact, you actually agree with my point, which is that asking for tips at a drive thru is offensive.

            Only a dumbass argues with someone they agree with. Are you a dumbass?

      • Agreed. We should also only employee people that need a livable wage. There should be no jobs for students, teens, bored retirees! All jobs should support a livable wage.

        Question - livable for 1 person or do you also want the resteraunts to pay enought for a livable wage to support the waiter's family?

      • A hamburger restaurant in the area tried this. They put up signs saying they were paying a fair wage, and the staff themselves agreed that it was good money. However there was a revolt from customers! A lot of customers felt it was their right to punish/reward service (bad service is rarely the fault of the servers). Other customers thought that despite the signs and the word of the staff that lack of tips meant the servers were being short-changed. So that practice lasted only a month or two until it

      • by sheph ( 955019 )
        I'm not opposed to the idea of a livable wage. Everyone should be able to pay their monthly bills and still eat. But there's a big difference between the McDonalds employee who listens to what the customer wants and presses the appropriate button (half the time getting it wrong) and the server who takes the order from the customer, ensures the cook gets it right, and has to repeatedly check on the customer throughout the meal. The McDonalds employee is usually getting at least minimum wage. The restaura
  • To many places ask for tips away out side of what it should be.

    Yes for some things but not for all

  • by Iamthecheese ( 1264298 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @01:08PM (#64109451)
    Reading comments from wait-staff it's clear they feel fully entitled to a tip from each customer and have no sense of professionalism if they are not tipped. They feel like the tip is part of their salary and absolutely an obligation regardless of service quality. Waitstaff in restaurants who do nothing but collect the order, deliver the food, and stop in for one perfunctory visit to fill the water glasses expect a tip. It definitely has gone too far: tipping is no longer a reward for good service but an obligation.
    • by Xenx ( 2211586 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @01:31PM (#64109563)
      The moment we(country) legally excluded waitstaff from a minimum wage, amended to set a lower minimum, we allowed it to become obligatory. There is more nuance to the problem, in that even if they're paid above minimum wage it may not be a livable wage for the area. As customers, we're not privy to that side of things. I'm not saying this to place blame/guilt on anyone in particular. Tipping is just a messy problem that we should get rid of.
      • by taustin ( 171655 )

        In some cases, they may be paying income tax on assumed tips whether they get them or not.

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        The moment we(country) legally excluded waitstaff from a minimum wage, amended to set a lower minimum, we allowed it to become obligatory. There is more nuance to the problem, in that even if they're paid above minimum wage it may not be a livable wage for the area. As customers, we're not privy to that side of things. I'm not saying this to place blame/guilt on anyone in particular. Tipping is just a messy problem that we should get rid of.

        I read that, and the reason tipping isn't a culture in any other western country, tipping goes back to just after the US civil war where businesses demanded the ability to pay formerly indentured staff $0 plus tips, this applied to most of the jobs the now emancipated slaves could do, barbers, waitstaff, porters, et al. who simply weren't qualified or even educated enough in basic literacy or numeracy to do anything else. Over time this became a custom, then a culture and finally an obligation. There were m

    • by taustin ( 171655 )

      In my experience on Reddit, yeah, there's a lot of whiny, entitled little shits who feel that it's an act of evil that you're walking out the door with their money.

      They are, almost universally, the shittiest employees a restaurant could possibly hire. The good ones are too busy with being grownups with a life to bother with whining on Reddit.

  • ...to remove whatever vestiges of dignity might remain among employees. It's the last publicly acceptable display of utter contempt for working people. Workers who have "respectable" jobs don't have to suffer the humiliation of begging for whatever gratuities they desperately need to make ends meet.

    Ban tipping & raise & enforce a living wage. Society will be (slightly) more equal & dignified, as simple as that.
    • by taustin ( 171655 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @01:59PM (#64109705) Homepage Journal

      ...to remove whatever vestiges of dignity might remain among employees.

      It also actively encourages bad service, according to the peer reviewed research. The way that works is that all the things that people assume will have a negative effect on tips . . . really don't. A small effect, but the worst service, the worse food, the worst ambiance, on average, have maybe a 10% effect. The one thing that has a big effect on tip income is handling more tables, and the more the better.

      Coworker calls in sick? Convince the boss to let you cover their tables rather than calling someone else in. Your service will suck rocks, and you lose 10% per table, but you're covering twice as many tables. That's an 80% increase in tips for the day.

      • And the reason those things don't have a negative effect on tips is the fact that all too many people have been guilt tripped into thinking that they have to give big tips regardless of the quality of service. Why do you think that credit card machines have an option for a 30% tip? Were people really tipping that much when the machines were programmed? Not likely, but once the option was there, people started selecting it because it made them feel more important. I occasionally eat at places where the m
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        Nobody tips where I live & there's no "lording it" over service staff. The quality of everything's fine & the staff are genuinely, sincerely friendly when they feel like it, & not when they don't. If I'm rude to them, I'm sure they'll tell me sincerely how they feel about that too. They do their jobs, I do mine, we're all workers & members of the same community, & we all deserve dignity & respect.
  • Mr. Pink was right. Tipping is dumb.

    • Dumb for employees, smart for employers.

      • Dumb for customer satisfaction, too.

        Why should I have an uncomfortable showdown with the waiter at the end of every visit?

        • Why do you feel uncomfortable paying for performance (or lack thereof)?

          • That's your bosses job.

            I pay your business for what they sell.
            Your business ensures that they hire good staff.
            You don't suck at your job.
            I don't have to pay extra for you to do what your job already was.

            It's all very zen.

        • why do you have an uncomfortable showdown? I never do. I present my credit card, they bring back the bill, I insert what tip I believe they have earned (usually about 20 - 25%, sometimes more, sometimes less) and then The wife and I get up and leave. No 'showdown' required, unless of course it is important to you to make the wait staff aware of your pleasure or lack their of with their service verbally or some such.
        • by taustin ( 171655 )

          Interestingly, when restaurants try to go no-tipping, they get intense resistance from both employees and customers. In both cases, based on inaccurate perceptions that are close to delusional.

          Employees always insist they'll make less money, even if you guarantee them in writing they'll make at least as much. Because 80% of everyone knows they're above average.

          Customers have the illusion that tipping gives them a degree of control over service, in that they can stiff the server if service is bad. Except the

        • You have written that a lot on this topic.

          Why do you make it uncomfortable. It would only be uncomfortable if you are leaving a cheap tip. And the only reason you would do that is because the service was horrible in which case, who cares if the waiter is uncomfortable?

  • The system spread. English coffeehouses were said to set out urns inscribed with "To Insure Promptitude." Customers tossed in coins. Eventually, the inscription was shortened to "tip."

    That seems a little too strained, like Port Out Starboard Home. MW says origin is unknown for that use, but coming from tip as in tip of the hat seems reasonable. But if tracing it back just dead ends, it's a mystery for now.

  • I only tip at restaurants and for delivery. I stopped tipping anywhere else. Most of the time for the pay first stores (i.e fast food) , I heard managers steal the tips anyhow.
  • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @01:28PM (#64109543) Homepage Journal

    A 15-20% gratuity for your landlord is often suggested [apartmentguide.com].
    I think this is because landlords are on drugs and every day that someone didn't tell them to fuck themselves should be considered their reward for a job well done. (plus the thousands of dollars we give them every month)

    • soooooo, you are a landlord?
      • Yes. And I'm not happy about it. :-(

        • clearly. My mom rented out two houses and though the majority of tenants were okay, those two that trashed the place and didn't pay rent, then skipped, ruined it for her.
          • I'm renting a house to a friend of the family. He works minimum wage and donates blood for extra cash. He pays his rent, but I don't really like being a landlord for philosophical reasons. I'm not making any money on this either, I'm charging the bare minimum that I can afford. And it still doesn't feel good accepting payments from him.

  • People have this weird idea that the world is an organized system with clearly defined rules. That's really not the case. The concept that a person should have a single employer, and that employer is the sole determiner of their wages is an exceptionally weird one. Waiters and Waitresses don't serve their employer. They serve their customer. The restaurant owner and customer engage in a joint employment of the waiter or waitress, and it's incumbent on the customer to contribute their portion of the server's

    • by CAIMLAS ( 41445 )

      First, for most, this is going to be a part-time job, that they do while they should be pursuing knowledge and skills relevant to the career they're trying to do-- if you really want waiting to be your career, that's possible, but it's not going to be at Denny's

      Nope. I know of women who've quit lucrative jobs and now support their husbands on the tips they make at diners. It's extremely good money, at least outside the urban centers where prices are extremely inflated and there are few upper-middle-class of

    • This has to be the dumbest thing I've read all day, and I've read a couple of newspapers already. I don't employ anybody when I go to a restaurant. I contract for goods and services and that contract is with the owner of the restaurant. I am not obligated to pay the server anything.

  • by TwistedGreen ( 80055 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @01:52PM (#64109669)

    Nuff said

  • I understand the arguments for tipping (it inspires better service, it allows the company to pay less, etc.). But at it's heart, tipping in restaurants just doesn't make sense. Why should anyone's wage be tied to what I order? Is it any more work for the server to take my order for a steak that costs $40 and deliver it to the table that it is for a hamburger that costs $20? If I order water instead of a soda, why do they deserve to make less money? It makes absolutely no sense at all. To me, that is the big

  • by John Cavendish ( 6659408 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @02:48PM (#64109937)

    <sarc> I love it when the counter device offers me a minimum $1 tip for a $2.50ish coffee, not to mention Panera's auto-payment stations, when I take my own cup and pour myself </sarc>

  • The whole "To Ensure Promptness" story as the origin of "TIP" has been debunked many times before, so it's a shame this author chose to repeat it: a quick ask of Google will lead you to Snopes every time. [snopes.com]

    With that said, totally agree that tipping has long since been out of control. I tip 15 percent and call it a day, but only when there's actual service being rendered. (Scooping ice cream into a cone, for instance - i.e., the job an ice-cream parlor worker is paid to do - doesn't warrant a tip, whereas bar

  • I've been "banned" from a few places who add fees to the final bill for take out orders, because I only pay enough cash to cover the cost of the food (advertised price + tax). The key is custom food orders that can't be easily resold so it's either take the cash or the complete loss on the order. Two places died on the hill saying they wanted an additional 5-10% in fees, so I walked away and ordered from some place else.

  • by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @05:46PM (#64110533) Homepage

    Har har.

  • by biggaijin ( 126513 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @07:04PM (#64110687)

    I find one of the nicer things about living in Japan is that there is no tipping here. Not in restaurants. Not in cabs. Not anywhere. Waiters will chase you down the street to return your change if you don't take it. It really is a relief.

  • by alleycat0 ( 232486 ) on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @09:35PM (#64110993) Homepage
    That story about 'tip' being an acronym is bogus. https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch... [snopes.com]
  • by joe_frisch ( 1366229 ) on Thursday December 28, 2023 @03:44AM (#64111405)
    Jobs where tips are a major part of income may be discriminating based on race, gender, etc. Nothing insures that customers are obeying non-discrimination laws.

    Iâ(TM)d like to see tipping banned on that basis AND previously tipped jobs pay increased to keep the same average total income. I expect and accept that prices will increase accordingly

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