Should everyone learn to code? #LearnToCode
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Should everyone learn to code? #LearnToCode
If it happens once, it's a bug. If it happens twice, it's a feature. If it happens more than twice, it's a design philosophy.
I answered no (Score:5, Insightful)
I think that for many people learning to code would be a very useful thing, and I'd encourage people to at least become familiar with the process of making and deploying software, but it shouldn't be a requirement and it's hardly necessary for everyone to do so.
I view it much the way as I view learning carpentry, how an internal combustion engine works, and how to grow vegetables. These are all good things for folks to be basically familiar with, but we can't all learn everything, and for many people, not learning to code won't negatively impact their lives.
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Look at Java. Knowing 'how to code' does not mean being a benefit to society.
How about teaching people a trade instead of pumping money into college and worthless degrees out?
Re: I answered no (Score:4, Interesting)
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Good luck with your plan of just hiring 'any given builder'.
I think you overestimate 'them'. I'd put your odds at 25%, at best. Worse, if you go for the low bid.
Coders are no different. Some shouldn't be allowed near anything important.
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"Learning to code" means different things to different people. To me, it involves some pretty involved and very hardware focused activities and college degrees are involved. For people up the stack from me, doing OS programming, learning to code is a pretty rigorous, pretty academic effort and college degrees are involved. People up the stack from them, in applications, tend to be far more product and result focused and only some of the people may have college degrees. People up the stack from them, maybe f
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Properly done, learning to code should not be learning to code, that is a mistake, a waste. Learning to code should be a part of learning other things, like maths, like science, like english. Coding elements should be build into all other lessons, coding logic. The problem, no code learning language because of the insanely psychopathic greed of the corporations involved. Completely unwilling to come up with a unified free access learning language for coding, instead the psychopathic morons scream about unli
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I taught myself to code in junior high school. By the time I got to college, I was showing the professors bugs in their code. I understand where you are coming from.
That said, I still found what CS courses were required for my EE/CompE degrees to be valuable and informative and allowed me to be far more proficient in the field than I would have been if I skipped the degree, even if there was no arbitrary degree requirement to enter my chosen field. It would have taken decades to pick all this up while worki
Re: I answered no (Score:2)
#LearnToCode is not teaching the student a trade, it teaches them to follow instructions - instructions spoon-fed to the student.
There are a lot of skills employed by successful professional programmers that would be beneficial to many students and are applicable in many trades/professions, but #LearnToCode doesn't teach those skills...
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Sadly, many high schools have dropped shop classes, partly because they can't afford those along with the increased STEM classes and ESL classes and partly because they inexplicably don't see much value in those skills anymore, as if carpenters and plumbers and metal workers can be relegated to 2nd class citizens.
Should there be another Carrington event, we're gonna be screwed.
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We are already screwed anyway. We are going through a mass extinction event right now and most of us just don't realize it. I really hope I'm dead before it gets really bad. I probably will be. My grandchildren or their grandchildren on the other hand, I'm sorry we couldn't do more for you.
Re:I answered no (Score:4, Insightful)
I think of it more like basic maths these days. Being able to understand how logic and computer processes work on at least a conceptual level is very useful. For some small proportion of those kids they will go on to become actual developers, for the rest it's a great foundation for not only engineering but also critical thinking, reasoning and even philosophy.
Not as basic as Maths (Score:2)
I think of it more like basic maths these days.
Not really. Someone in retail needs to be capable of basic maths to calculate prices, profit margins, VAT/sales tax etc. but they do not need to write programs. Many people need basic maths in lots of different places and politicians can get into real trouble if their maths skills fail them - just ask , a UK politician. [independent.co.uk]
Only those going into technical or scientific careers really have to learn to program although there are a host of other areas where it would be extremely useful. But it still does not ha
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While teachers still tell kids that they can be whatever they want when they grow up, the cold, hard truth is that they can not. I'm never going to be an athlete, I'm never going to be an artist, I'm never going to be a lawyer or a doctor.
I just don't have the aptitude for most of those, and even if I had the ability, I sure as hell don't have the interest. And if you don't have the interest, you won't ever be remotely good at something.
Everyone should be exposed to coding. Everyone should be given the 101
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Voted no expecting to be in the minority, pleasantly surprised.
1) We don't need everyone learning what is basically a trade. Even if people's minds did all work in a "programmer's way" (unlikely I think, a lot of people just wouldn't get it), frankly it'd devalue my job. I'm paid pittance as it is.
2) There are other, higher priority things people could have as a universal skill like cooking, other languages, personal finance, and so on - worry about making sure everyone can code when you've already made s
Re: Better subjects (Score:2)
All that time you want to spend to teach "everyone" to "code" would be much better spent teaching students about compound interest, especially as it relates to credit card debt, home mortgages, auto and student loans.
I v9ted h9 (Score:2)
for most people it's like learning auto automotive mechanics because you own a car.
It's fine if you are interested but nowhere near necessary.
It's not like with all the interfaces (voice/camera/mice/graphics/sound...) that you need to grab a stack of punched cards to do the simplest calculations anymore.
I also remember all the kids who had to learn programming with LOGO and/or BASIC back in the day.
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Time for other people between jobs to Learn to Code.
Re: I v9ted h9 (Score:2)
And more recently, journalists.
Then journalists decided the advice they gave out-of-work coal miners ("learn to code") was, when directed at journalists at least, now considered hate-speech. [dailycaller.com]
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The production line can run with a new robot that is expected to work for a set time again.
A worker altered robot may work again for how long AC and to what standard?
Use the low paid and unskilled worker to swap the big robot part out.
The just get another type of robot to do most of the easy and repetitive robot swap out work.
Skilled humans are needed but not to get paid to try and fix every
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The expensive new car will just have large sections to swap out professionally for a set price by someone approved by the car brand.
Expert tools, computers and the exact part will be needed.
The tools will not be sold to anyone outside a few approved locations.
The parts will not be sold to anyone. Any attempts to import "parts" by people will be reported as counterfeiting.
The needed computer codes and settings to then show the car was repaired by approved people will not be given
If it was good enough (Score:1)
Then is great advice for all other US workers between work.
How to Learn to Code:
Learn how to read a Code of Conduct (CoC) and what a CoC allows code to be used for.
Select a computer code that is in use,. Has the code got a CoC that allows the results to still make a profit?
Do you have to show your code for anyone to copy and give away for free?
Dont learn a code that makes you give everything you worked on away for free.
Will the CoC make the code difficult to use and make
Everybody should be given an opportunity to code (Score:1)
But not everyone should learn it.
I think that learning how to program a computer promotes structured thought and problem solving skills. The problem is, those are not for everyone, at least not at the level required for programming. There are some indications that not everyone is able to learn how to program. Sure, you can teach everyone to imitate a pattern, but programming is fundamentally a more advanced skill: The progression is something like this: First kids imitate. Then they learn algorithms and how
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I played with BASIC in high school. When I got to my first real programming class in college, it became immediately clear that some people just got it, and some people did not. I tried helping out some friends, explaining what was happening at each line of code, explaining what state was and what was in each variable at each point in time. Sometimes the light came on, and they were on their way. Other times, not so much.
Those early classes were designed somewhat to sort kids into the get-it and don't-ge
Re:Everybody should be given an opportunity to cod (Score:5, Funny)
I personally feel that cod should be given an opportunity to people. Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Give a fish a man and you feed it for a lifetime.
most professionals could benefit from it (Score:1)
A lot of people equate "coding" with "building software." Anyone can learn how to code, but engineering a stable and robust system that is easy to maintain is a skill that takes years of experience.
I think its useful to learn to code, even if it's just a semester of Java coding. Most people aren't using that calc class they made you take in college, but it's nice to have some of that knowledge in your background in case you come across it. Coding is the same, many professionals outside of software develo
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Build a wall. Yeah, right. Some people can just not make that happen.
We'll need to hack robot caretaker in old age home (Score:3)
I see robots taking care of *all* the menial tasks -- especially taking care of the infirm and elderly.
When the time comes I'll certainly want to be able to "customize" that beast.
My comfort, my life might well depend on it !
Depends (Score:1)
Will I be required to support or debug this code? There are some pretty stupid people in the world.
why bother? (Score:2)
Why bother learning to program? There's no good money in it anymore; Agile Scum(tm) has sucked any and all joy out of the work; and pretty much all software produced in Surveillance Valley is simultaneously shitty and evil.
#LearnToThink (Score:1)
It's a basic skill required nowdays (Score:1)
Thinking logically is more important (Score:4, Insightful)
The significance of programming is that it is applied logic, but it is possible to program badly and with poor logic. I think the important thing to teach is how to think logically. Related skills are how to recognize when someone is lying to you, but programming is, to me, a peripheral skill. You [kreedin] included math as a basic skill, and I think there are a number of them, but programming is not one of them. Learning to think logically will allow the kids to learn programming at any time it becomes appropriate. (And therefore I answered no, though I do think it should be an option for kids who want to learn it earlier.)
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Well... I think logical thinking can best be taught as part of mathematics, but it can also be in many other contexts. Yes, programming is one of those contexts, but my concern is that the logic of programming is often too divorced from other realities. My feeling is that it's better to accept that students have different interests and make sure that logic is part of those interests rather than try to force it the other way around.
Might be projection. I can recall several cases of being forced to learn thin
It's a question of literacy (Score:2)
Our world is more and more dominated by computers. In order to have a Democracy people need to understand how the world works, at least to some extend. We cannot afford to have large portions of our population iliterate. Computer literacy simply means that people need to have some understanding how how computers work. Without practical example that's not very motivating. Therefore it makes sense to learn some simple language such as an old BASIC dialect.
Notice the goal is not to turn people into programmers
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It's in a way like we teach reading and writing even to people who will never write a book, or mathematics to people who will never turn to a carreer in that field.
People need reading and writing in their daily lives to communicate with others, and people need math in their daily lives to manage money, among many other things. Is there a reason people would need programming in their daily lives? More to the point, do I find that my ability to code gives me an advantage in my daily life (other than my job) that others are deprived of? I have a hard time coming up with an answer for that.
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Well some part of society would need to be able to program in order to communicate with computers.
Also this is not necessarily about programming itself, but about having a "feeling" of what computers are. Currently computers seem like magic to most of the population, and with magic you can only believe not think or question. That's how you get stupid policies asking for backdoors, that's how you get a copyright law which tries to turn back time.
We need a general understanding of what computers are, otherwis
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So the question becomes one of what "learning to code" really means and whether it achieves this goal of computer literacy. I am not a programmer. I say this up front any time I am confronted with a potential job involving programming. I have taken computer science courses and mucked about in various different programming environments, but I wouldn't consider myself any more fluent in any programming language than I am in French, German, or Portuguese just because I've spent time exploring countries that sp
Should everyone learn how to... (Score:2)
There are millions of skills in the world. Thousands of them are arguable pretty fundamental. Should everyone know how to do basic maintenance on a car? Know how to cook? Know how to use basic carpentry tools? Know how to butcher an animal? Know how to grow crops? Know how to...
Why, exactly?
If they don't have the interest and/or ability to become competent, what good will the skill do them? Wouldn't they be better advised to spend that time elsewhere? The Dunning-Kruger effect is real. The world does not ne
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Yes, BUT... tool scripting (Score:2)
There are different levels of coding knowledge. Everyone should learn to code, but not everyone needs to learn computer science or even go beyond tool scripting.
I'm going to stress tool scripting. There's a gaping hole at this level. Coding these days means "write a fuckton of code before you even see anything on the screen". People don't want to do that. They want to write short scripts that automate their tools according to their needs, and go on about their lives. Heck, I don't want that either, and I'm
Precision Thinking (Score:2)
I think some programming should be taught to all kids as part of teaching them to express their problems and ideas precisely, and to give them an appreciation of complexity. As hard as we try (or at least used to try, before UIs became billboards) to make UIs that will allow non-programmers to create automation, there's always a point of task complexity and/or deviation from the relatively narrow useful scope of the UI, where it requires the same key skills as non-visual programming. A similar effect is
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I'm interested in what alternative ways you have in mind.
learn to think first (Score:2)
Not sure learning to code is nearly as important as the more general concept of learning to think clearly. I'd hate to depend on any program written by most people.
Understanding the basic logic of how programming is done is probably valuable for everyone to know, but really learning to program is not useful for most people.
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Should everyone learn to.. (Score:3)
work on their car (besides oil changes)
be a dentist
be a surgeon
be a chef
etc..
Everyone should have exposure to everything and be encouraged to learn to be better at things that interest them. Not everyone is suitable to code, just like not everyone *wants* to be a surgeon. That's whats great about a society that encourages people to do what they want to do..someone else will choose to learn how to change the brake pads on the coder's prius, possibly the same coder that wrote the inventory and biling system that the mechanic used.
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ermm... a dentist, surgeon and chef all have a common knowledge of hygiene and sterilizing their equipment, as important steps in many of their regular tasks.
There are many skills which do not form the basis of a career, but which assist in the fulfillment of ones daily work.
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The points was that "coding" is not general knowledge that would assist in the fulfillment of ones daily work.
Knowing math, and variables, if/then statements (cause and affect)...that is general knowledge that everyone should know that will assist in the fulfillment of ones daily work. But actually understanding programming languages is a skill and trade that should only be forced on people who want to go into that profession. Much like dentistry, surgery, and cooking
If we want to force those skills onto
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Yes! We need computational approaches in schools (Score:2)
Please note that this says "Should everyone learn to code" and not "Should everyone learn software development" -- there is a huge difference there.
As we're in the "Information Age", larger volumes of data are increasingly the norm. Classes need to be able to process large data streams when learning science and even history. This means they need to be able to process that data and apply at least basic algorithms to make conclusions and to explore the scientific method.
This does not mean we need student
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Yes (Score:2)
It's a useful skill and helps people understand the ubiquitous computers around them. That doesn't mean it should be mandatory, just highly recommended.
Everyone should be exposed to coding... (Score:2)
...the same way everyone is exposed to
- music (chorus, band)
- power tools (shop class)
- cooking, sewing (Home Ec.)
IOW, coding should get the same kind of treatment in the schools.
Some time around 6th grade, students spend a semester or a year learning to code.
Most will never code after that, but everyone will have some idea what it is about.
Context, people (Score:2)
Should all humans living in society learn to read?
Yes, they can independently acquire knowledge that way, and probably need it to function in society.
Should all humans living in society be able to do basic math?
Yes, its intrinsic to functioning in society and to manage a job.
Should all humans living in society learn a commonly distributed history concentration?
Yes, in a democracy, its intrinsic to understanding how our society and government works, and participate (by voting) in policy formulation by govern
Yes - as a skill, not a job (Score:2)
Everyone should know how to read, write, think critically, do math, and code. Basic, Excel Sheet formulas, whatever... just enough knowledge to have some clue as to how things actually work in the world.
OTOH - Journalists who write about being fired should be presented with a list of all the articles in the past they have written about how working class people just need to learn to code. If they haven't... give them a pass.
Most People Aren't Capable of Coding (Score:2)
They can learn how to use programming languages and some of the constructs, but many people just don't understand coding. Even if their main job is programming and they have done it for a long time.
Should everyone learn about programming? Even that I'm not sure I would say yes to.
Art vs. Technique (Score:1)
When I was just starting, we used to get a bunch of E.E. types come in to do custom boards and what not. The problem was, most of the work ended up requiring software, and they had ZERO knowledge in it. This was 30+ years ago. Nobody taught them any sort of design, programming, or methodology. We ended up with a bunch of very long procedural code, no functional decomposition, etc. I'm not saying that training would have helped. Perhaps we would have gotten the code faster, but I doubt it would have be
WTF? No! Of course not! (Score:2)
What kind of question is that? I know a crap ton about tech and *I* don't need to know how to code. There are benefits to code, that's for sure. It's a better bridging of algebraic and logical thinking to real life decisions than mathematical word problems ever were... but that's no reason to learn how to code. Learning to code is such a massive endeavor...
I mean ... Really? People would get more more immediate benefit in their careers and in simple thinking just by learning common Excel formulae and functi
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learning common Excel formulae and functions. Nested If/Then statements could do wonders for a lot of people.
That or maybe a bit more is about the scope people usually think of when talking about teaching everyone to code. Nobody is talking about making everyone a developer.
Rephrased: Should every student learn to code? YES (Score:5, Insightful)
One of the roles of school, especially for younger students, is to expose children to a wide variety of skills and disciplines. Art, music, physical education, cooking, shop--these are a few examples of subjects that are, or should be, taught in schools. I'm terrible at art, but I took art in school like everyone else. It taught me that I was not an artist. On the other hand, other students may have discovered a hidden talent that would never have been exposed, had they not taken the class.
Coding falls into this category. Every student should be exposed to it, at least for a short time. Some students will fail to master the concepts. But others might discover a talent they never knew existed, and this can be life-altering.
Should every ADULT learn to code? No, not at all. If you can't figure out a remote control, forget about coding!
Philosophy (Score:1)
Everyone should learn philosophy at an early age. Philosophy grows critical thinking skills, of which we have a dire need in the world's society.
Not everyone thinks logically. (Score:1)
The ability to think in an organized structural fashion is a gift, not an acquired skill.
We like to think every human possess this ability, but we do not... Put it this way: If they have trouble doing algebra, they will *NOT* be able to code. Ever. No matter how simple we make it for that soul.
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not as endgoal (Score:2)
Learning to code should not be a goal of itself. But is a good way to learn critical thinking, problem analysis and decomposition, interoperability, copyright, reusing existing solutions, importance of documentation and standards, importance of security, ...
Also, with computers being so ubiquitous, it helps if you understand their capabilities and limitations.
10 years (Score:2)
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We need a mixture of skills in the world (Score:2)
No. (Score:1)
Just like everyone shouldn't be taught to play the Violin, everyone shouldn't be taught to code. Unlike drawing, coding isn't a natural skill people start doing when they're children. It's an odd skill that most people aren't well suited towards. It's also not an everyday skill that everyone needs to learn, like cooking.
That's not to say you shouldn't teach kids how computers work. It's fine to have a class about binary, processors, the internet, etc. But actual programming is more like composing music
Maybe? (Score:2)
Should everyone learn to cook? Should everyone learn to read? Barring extremes, I would say yes.
I met a person who didn't know eggs came from chickens. It does seem to me that a baseline of competence should be expected.
There is no need to bring us all up to the level of a professional software developer. But being able to do the equivalent of reading and writing small recipes might go far to enable each of us to understand a world immersed in digitally delivered services.
Should everyone learn how to farm? (Score:1)
Should everyone learn how to fix a car?
Should everyone learn how to do their own plumbing?
Should everyone know how to mix and lay a concrete base?
Should everyone learn how to play a musical instrument well?
etc. etc. etc.
No, it's not credible - and arguably, in the not too distant future, the vast bulk of programming tasks will be automated. (assuming climate change doesn't end in a mass extinction event).
Coding will always be a task suited to specific character traits, so maybe this should be phrased in a d
What else... (Score:2)
What else should we apply this thinking to? Most people live in a house or apartment. Should everyone become a licensed contractor? Most dwellings have electricity, plumbing, and heating/AC, should they become licensed electricians, plumbers, and HVAC techs?
Most people in the US drive a car or ride in some sort of motorized vehicle. Should everyone get certified as a mechanic? Those vehicles move on roads or tracks. I guess we better teach everyone to design and built roads and rails.
We all eat food, so a
NOOOOOOO (Score:1)
And the answer is NO!
Proof: see https://www.davidhaney.io/npm-... [davidhaney.io]
First comes learning to THINK (Score:2)
If you answered yes, you live is a bubble. (Score:2)
Coding is a fine skill. It's a useful skill.
But so is the ability to repair a submersible pump on an underground petroleum storage tank. That's a useful skill, if you can do that, you will always have a good job. But not everyone needs to know how to do that.
No (Score:1)
If you aren't passionate about coding then get out. I don't need to clean up any more code written by people who "heard it was good money."
Yes (Score:3)
But I was looking at it as a "be familiar with how coding works" than to steer everyone into a coding career. I code for fun mostly but am not a professional developer. I found my enjoyment of coding was broken by the demands of doing it for a living so I switched from programming to systems admin and engineering. But I feel that some grounding in coding is a benefit, if nothing else so you know what's happening, that it's not some magic box.
I was equating learning the functions of coding to learning how to manage a checkbook and basic vehicle mechanics; changing fluids, spark plugs, flat tires, and the like. Enough so you don't take the car in because the idiot light came on (just put some oil in the car once in a while!).
[John]
I haven't coded since the 80's (Score:1)
On the old Commodore 64.
I dropped it in the 1990's though, I went into IT as a PC guy, then networks and servers on Windows.
Never went back to coding though on the PC. I haven't done that because of the Indian invasion of the field. Coders in the US are so easily replaced by Indian H1-B's. Plus sitting in a cube coding isn't my idea of fun. A good systems/networks guy is a lot harder to replace.
Enough Code Slaves (Score:2)
Think Logically (Score:2)
People should be taught how to think logically; if that is best done by teaching them to code, then yes, but if not, no.
Everyone should learn maths (Score:1)
Coding isn't generally useful for health, wealth or happiness, unless you're a software developer. Maths covers much the same way of thinking, and that's the useful thing to pick up - how to analyse and solve a problem. Of course, we already teach everyone some amount of maths. So move along, nothing to see here.
Let them learn logic ... (Score:2)
Define coding (Score:2)
I consider any algorithm or heuristic that is followed precisely as given within a specified domain as code. More specifically, I define code as something Turing would consider a program.
The Jacquard Loom used code. Self-playing pianos used code. A recipe for lunch is code.
It's pretty pathetic if you can't eat, make a cup of tea, do laundry, find a good program on television, play an instrument, drive a car OR read a book. All of these things can be performed on a Turing Complete machine.
To write new code,
free coupons for learn to code online (Score:1)
#LearnToCode (Score:1)
Please... (Score:2)
My mom can barely handle checking her e-mail on her iPhone. You want her to learn how to program a computer?!?
No. Just no. (Score:2)
The answer is the same as the answer to the question "Should everyone learn to run electrical wiring, lay brick, pour concrete, fell trees, make shoes, grow crops, raise and slaughter farm animals, sail or pilot a boat, build furniture, lay fiberglass, repair small engines, re-key locks, analyse stocks for trading purposes, AND lay roads?" It is suggesting everyone become a generalist, a ne'er-do-well, a "jack of all trades but master of none" in a world that increasingly needs specialization.
No. It is com
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I'm not at all afraid of competition. I voted no because I've seen a lot of shit code written by a lot of shit programmers. The last thing we need is more shit programmers. I welcome more great coders, and fully support their education, but forcing people who aren't really interested is only going to lower the already poor standard of code we're seeing today.
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This, so much. Coding is like math or painting, any one can do it but only a few people can do it well. Intro to programming would be a great addition to public education so people can grow up with an appreciation of how damned hard it is in the same way that art classes let you appreciate art.
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This, so much. Coding is like math or painting, any one can do it but only a few people can do it well. Intro to programming would be a great addition to public education so people can grow up with an appreciation of how damned hard it is in the same way that art classes let you appreciate art.
This is also why I'd actually have everybody learning to code--it's not even necessary to ask them to learn anything heavier-weight than a toy language that is aiming more at being easier for people new to coding to learn to read and write, because a decent part of the point is to give those with the mindset & inclination to continue on a decent foundation for learning how to code with a 'serious' language, and the rest less of an excuse to think that it is easy to become a reasonably-skilled programmer
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We tried putting a toy language into places where people could play with it for fun, and look at how much of the world now runs on Javascript.
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Ha. I'm in no way afraid of a bunch of people trying to learn to code and do not feel threatened in any way. I've watched very intelligent people flail horribly at it. Not all people are suited for it and it is a waste for everyone to have it pushed on them, simple as that. That is like saying lawyers are afraid of too many people getting into their profession. It is a universally useful skill for people to be able to read and write legal documents if they could, but not everyone learns that do they?
No, but it can help Re:Yes - coding isn't a skill (Score:2)
Rather, coding in terms of education means more math, logic, and problem solving in applied contexts
Should everyone with an adult-level intellect be able to think, reason, and solve common problems in common real-world contexts using logical thinking? Of course.
Should kids, teens, and the intellectually disabled be able to do the same to the extent that their current intellectual abilities allow? Of course.
This is timeless advice that goes back to the dawn of civilization if not the dawn of mankind.
Teaching people to code is one of many ways to teach these things. It is not the only way. Frequently, i
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Coding is a requirement for life in the modern world.
No, it absolutely is not.
Rather, coding in terms of education means more math, logic, and problem solving in applied contexts.
Oh, so if you redefine coding to be something it's not, I guess I can agree with you.
But I'd rather you not do that. Because that's not what coding is.
Greetings Fellow Programs! (Score:1)
TRON.
Enough said.
Re: Greetings Fellow Programs! (Score:1)
TROFF
Check.
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Re: Everyone codes to a certain extent by living (Score:1)
Re: No (Score:3)
yes [npr.org] And yes [dailycaller.com]
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Not going to bother with your second link, but the first one definitely doesn't sound like anyone was "telling" anyone to do anything.