ElonMusk's AI Chatbot 'Grok' is Now Free to All X Users (theverge.com) 116
"Elon Musk's AI chatbot Grok is now available to free users on X," reports the Verge:
Several users noticed the change on Friday, which gives non-Premium subscribers the ability to send up to 10 messages to Grok every two hours.
xAI launched Grok last year as a "humorous AI assistant," but it was only available to Premium subscribers... Making Grok more widely available might help it compete with the already-free chatbots like OpenAI's ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Microsoft Copilot, and Anthropic's Claude.
xAI launched Grok last year as a "humorous AI assistant," but it was only available to Premium subscribers... Making Grok more widely available might help it compete with the already-free chatbots like OpenAI's ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Microsoft Copilot, and Anthropic's Claude.
Desperation moves (Score:4, Insightful)
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...and with a sniff and a snap of his hanky, he flounces off into the night!
Re: Desperation moves (Score:5, Informative)
No they haven't. In fact, Leon is suing companies for choosing not to advertise on Twitter [apnews.com]. Because, you know, free speech and all.
second since X is where most activity and most eyeballs are, and that's ultimately what everyone wants.
Which is why Bluesky has been raking in people by the millions [cnet.com] whereas Twitter has lost 23 milion in the past month alone, though how many of the remaining are bots and fake accounts such as the one Leon uses is unknown. Threads is in second place with total number of users.
Too little organic activity and engagement, too much uniformity of messaging and opinions/censoring of the user bases, too rapid activity plateauing.
So they're like Twitter with its uniformity of messaging and opinions and the censoring of users? Considering everyone else is growig while Twitter is shrinking, not to mention the company itself is now worth almost 80% less than when he bought it [cnn.com] and it's still bleeding cash, doesn't sound like a good place to be.
Re: Desperation moves (Score:2)
You quoted a four month old article as basis for your claims. GARM folded like a paper towel when the suit was brought.
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Because they didn't need to exist at all, they were not a business with revenue. "Folding like a paper towel" was the easiest and lowest cost way to deal with a nuisance lawsuit. They can accomplish the same in other ways.
Keep sucking that musky cock.
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Keep sucking that musky cock.
Ewwww....who would do that? Oh yea, haxor.dk does.
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suing companies for choosing not to advertise on Twitter.
Not quite, he is suing an ad industry group, Global Alliance for Responsible Media, for organizing a boycott of X. This is not the same as suing a company for not advertising on X.
Re: Desperation moves (Score:5, Insightful)
suing companies for choosing not to advertise on Twitter.
Not quite, he is suing an ad industry group, Global Alliance for Responsible Media, for organizing a boycott of X. This is not the same as suing a company for not advertising on X.
Of course, Musk can sue anyone he wants, because that is his free-speech right. Nevertheless, it says something about his own commitment to the concept. He's suing another company for exercising their free-speech right.
Re: Desperation moves (Score:4, Insightful)
Again, you have not looked into this story past the click-bait headlines. Global Alliance for Responsible Media is not a company, it is industry group that coordinates ad-buys.
Who cares? The point is that he is suing another organization for exercising their free-speech rights.
There. Feel better now?
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Sure. It's like a high school teacher organization, that encourages teachers nationwide, to exercise their free speech right by not speaking to your kid.
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Racketeering is engagement in an illegal scheme. That's not what GARM was doing.
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So why should X be able to compel them to advertise on X?
Compelled speech is not free speech. If an industry group decides that you're not delivering a product that they want to buy, too fucking bad.
It makes no difference if the "entity" is a trade association or a company. No difference whatsoever.
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If an industry group decides that you're not delivering a product that they want to buy, too fucking bad.
Wrong. GARM violated US anti-trust law.
The Sherman Act, 15 U.S.C. Section 1, does not allow the collective views of a group of co-conspirators with market power to override the interests of consumers.
They were about to be taught a lesson with treble-damages if they didn't fold immediately, which they did.
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If an industry group decides that you're not delivering a product that they want to buy, too fucking bad.
Wrong. GARM violated US anti-trust law.
That's debatable. See below.
The Sherman Act, 15 U.S.C. Section 1, does not allow the collective views of a group of co-conspirators with market power to override the interests of consumers.
According to this article, [steptoe.com] it's not automatic that the Sherman Act comes into play. My reading of the article is that the action has to be aimed at achieving a financial advantage, not just expressing distaste with another party's political views. The latter is protected by the First Amendment.
To put it simply, GARM didn't want to see its members' ads shown alongside white-supremacist rants. That seems like a legitimate free-speech defense.
They were about to be taught a lesson with treble-damages if they didn't fold immediately, which they did.
Parties fold in court for various reason
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First the left said "If you don't like censorship on Twitter, go build your own!". Then people did exactly that. They built Truth Social and Musx bought Twitter and renamed it to X. Oops. Now the next step is "If you don't like central censorship, go build your own ad brokerage!". And the next step is "If you don't like central censorship, go lay your own internet cables". How far do you people want to push this ?
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Nobody likes the sewers but everyone keeps using them :-)
Re: Desperation moves (Score:2)
Indeed, actions always speak louder than words.
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Nobody likes the sewers but everyone keeps using them :-)
People also need to remember that those flow downhill and the rich people in charge live in the other direction ...
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"...too much uniformity of messaging..."
Translated: not enough hatred, bigotry, racism, transphobia, anti-semitism, ...
and Twitter isn't were "most eyeballs" are. It's not a big platform, just a conspicuous one, also one journalists used.
Re: Desperation moves (Score:2)
Plain wrong. Twitter/X dwarfs all other microblogging platforms (mastodon, bs, threads etc) userbases & MAU combined. Indeed, it's "just conspicuous" enough that the US corporate giants can't seem to stat away from it for more than a few months at a time. Stop making up false shit just because you don't like the place.
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Twitter/X dwarfs all other microblogging platforms (mastodon, bs, threads etc) userbases & MAU combined.
If you're selective enough, you can appear to win the argument. However, the fact is that in user-count, X ranks 12th in online social media platforms. [explodingtopics.com] Behind a few platforms I have never heard of.
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>Behind a few platforms I have never heard of.
Not many people in the west follow the Chinese social media platforms.
I predict you're already wrong (Score:5, Insightful)
The advertisers aren't coming back. They're just funneling money to musk so they can bribe Trump through him. That's going to limit how much money they spend. They're going to spend just enough that they can get in elon's good graces and nothing more.
Now it's time for me to make a prediction. Elon musk will move Tesla's headquarters to Texas so that he can get approval for the multi-billion dollar pay package he wants. That will deprive Tesla of the money it needs to update it's already 5-year-old technology platform. This in turn will leave Tesla without the ability to compete and they will also lose somewhere around 15 to 20% of their customers because of bad press from their CEO. The company will collapse and my tax dollars will be used as a form of bailout because of ridiculous amounts of political corruption. Elon musk himself will walk away with somewhere between 100 and 150 billion dollars, again of my taxpayer dollars.
I also predict I will be modded down because you're not allowed to speak ill of Elon musk. No matter how well substantiated your comment. The world's greatest welfare Queen brooks no criticism.
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I also predict I will be modded down because you're not allowed to speak ill of Elon musk.
Every time you have been modded down here at Slashdot, it has been because you are being a moron rather than who you are attacking. Your persecution complex is yet another example of your absurdity.
There are a few Elon fanboys and a few more Elon haters, but for the most part, we all see what is going on and do not participate in hating or fanboyism. That is for the mentally weak who do not want to, or are incapable of, dealing with what is real.
You do have some valuable insights. You would be welcomed back
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Sure Twitter has more "users," but when p
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So what your saying, is Bluesky is brilliant at becoming an echo chamber in record time.
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Nobody really cares enough to pay for LLMs and gen-AI except in a few special cases, such as people in coding jobs that cannot code for shit.
It is not a pretty solid fact that LLMs have no real use. A bit better search, "better crap" and writing bade code does not make for a real business model. And there will not be anything else anytime soon. Remember, this is _old_ technology, there is no sane reason to expect any fast advances.
I use X.org, does that count? (Score:2)
Names got plain stupid.
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I didn't, though I guess I should have. I don't pay much attention to my window manager, and basically leave that to the distro. (I'm not really sure that wayland was a good choice, but I know I'm no expert in the field.)
Will it stop flight from X to Bluesky? (Score:2)
I'm really curious to know what chat gpt usage is these days. The AI bubble is about to burst. Musk will likely take another bath (X being the first). Musk is especially vulnerable because no sane businessman will do business with him. Given the ruthlessness with which he rips off his users, why would any company choose his AI over the other ones?
Re: Will it stop flight from X to Bluesky? (Score:1, Troll)
Has the term "Musk Derangement Syndrome" been coined yet?
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Re: Will it stop flight from X to Bluesky? (Score:3, Informative)
Re: Will it stop flight from X to Bluesky? (Score:1)
See, the problem with frenzied haters like you is that you're only able to think in terms of your own frame of mind: Live or Hate "X". You've decided that you disagree with me on something (in this case apparently that I don't hate Musk enough to write up a rabid diatribe every time his name is dropped like some Pavlovian Dog) and therefore you've now pigeonholed me as "having my head in Musks ass", which is plain wrong.
Time to correct yourself.
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umm... what is the view like up there? Asking for a friend...
Re: Will it stop flight from X to Bluesky? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: Will it stop flight from X to Bluesky? (Score:2)
So it's turning into 4chan in other words, sounds like a stable genius business move.
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and therefore you've now pigeonholed me as "having my head in Musks ass", which is plain wrong.
Time to correct yourself.
No correction needed. As a neutral third party, you do seem to have your head firmly up Leon's ass.
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I don't think we need to bring your ability to believe Elmo into this.
You know I don't get this (Score:2, Flamebait)
I'm always reminded of that scene from The Simpsons where the nerdy kid tells everyone they found 500 parts per million or whatever of asbestos in the school and Bart gets everyone cheering "That's not enough we need more asbestos more asbestos more asbestos!!!"
Anyway Trump is planning to use tariffs to offset bil
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This cope is sad.
The more you do it, the more obvious it is that you don't have an answer to the problems put in front of you... and you know very well that neither do the folks you worship.
As an alternate take to rsilvergun up there, consider instead that actually Trump is pretty sure that the democrats conspired to make his ability to "run a business or a government which are basically the same thing anyway they made me look bad last time"... so expect him to double down on reactionary populism and not un
Re: Will it stop flight from X to Bluesky? (Score:2)
Is that when people rush to Elons defense every time someone says something negative about him on the internet?
What flight? (Score:2)
Will it stop flight from X to Bluesky?
This is like celebrities threatening to move to Canada, they will be back in a week.
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Probably will only keep the morons that were going to stay on Twitter anyways.
Will no prevent the decline of X (Score:2)
But Musk just doesn't grok that.
Re:Will no prevent the decline of X (Score:5, Interesting)
Twitter is doing exactly what he wanted it to, and the loss of a lot of users and traffic was likely an anticipated cost of executing the plan - control of a major social media outlet for personally directed propaganda.
That and $250m in direct cash got Trump elected. How much of this was suggested by Putin, and how long it takes for Elon to figure out Trump will give him exactly zero loyalty for it, those are the fun questions.
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Another fun question: What is the connection between Musk and Putin? Because it strikes me, immoral as he is, Putin is much smarter than Musk and Trump combined and he is an expert in manipulation and subterfuge. What is Musk hiding here?
That said, if Musk is not hiding anything here, I would be honored to start the rumour that he is.
Re:Will no prevent the decline of X (Score:5, Insightful)
$250M+X "got Trump elected"? Don't make me laugh.
Harris spent $2,500M and lost EVERY SWING STATE. Harris had the backing of every news organization, every A-list Hollywood and Music celebrity, every social media company save one, and lost EVERY SWING STATE. She had the bully pulpit and the overwhelming advantage of incumbency, and lost EVERY SWING STATE.
At some point the Democratic Party will wake up, but apparently that time has not yet come.
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She also had the burden of being part of an incumbent administration that was in power when economic problems came into being. The fact that it was a global issue the US didn't have any real control of didn't make any difference, incumbents all over the world are facing problems at the polls due to these problems.
now the bot can address (Score:1)
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Nice one! A lot of bio-bots in that spectrum, though.
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Posed a question to Grok (Score:5, Interesting)
I asked Grok, "How is having Elon Musk as an advisor to Donald Trump a danger to the United States?"
It answered:
The prospect of Elon Musk serving as an advisor to Donald Trump, or any president, has raised various concerns among analysts, critics, and the public. Here are some of the key points regarding the potential dangers:
Conflicts of Interest:
Business Interests: Musk's companies, like SpaceX, Tesla, and X Corp (formerly Twitter), have significant business with or are regulated by the U.S. government. His involvement in advising on policy could lead to conflicts where decisions might favor his companies over public interest or regulatory integrity. This concern has been highlighted by analysts and media, noting the potential for self-serving policy adjustments.
Regulatory Influence:
Musk has been vocal about wanting to reduce regulations, which could directly benefit his businesses. Critics argue that having him advise on or help implement deregulation might lead to an erosion of necessary oversight in sectors like automotive safety, space exploration, and social media governance, potentially risking public safety and privacy.
Influence on Policy and Public Discourse:
His control over X (formerly Twitter) gives him a platform to shape public discourse significantly. An advisory role could amplify this influence, potentially steering policy discussions in directions that align with Musk's personal views or business interests rather than a balanced approach. There's a worry that this could skew information dissemination, especially given past instances where Musk has spread or endorsed misinformation.
National Security Concerns:
Musk's business dealings, especially with foreign entities like China or his interactions with figures like Vladimir Putin, have raised flags among some who see this as a potential national security risk, particularly if he's influencing U.S. policy. His companies' engagements in sensitive areas like satellite internet (Starlink) in conflict zones could complicate U.S. foreign policy decisions.
Economic Policies:
Musk's views on tariffs, regulation, and government spending might lead to policies that favor large corporations or specific industries at the expense of broader economic health or environmental considerations. His push for significant budget cuts could impact essential services or regulatory bodies if not carefully balanced with the public good.
Political Power Consolidation:
There's a broader concern about the concentration of power when billionaires like Musk play significant roles in government policy-making. This can be seen as a threat to democratic processes where influence might be disproportionately tied to wealth rather than expertise or public interest.
Public Perception and Trust:
Musk's controversial public statements and actions can affect public trust in government institutions if perceived as being too closely aligned with his personal or corporate agenda. This could undermine confidence in governmental actions, especially in areas where Musk has a direct interest.
Labor and Employment Policies:
Given Musk's history with labor relations, particularly at Tesla, his influence might lead to policies that are less favorable towards workers' rights, potentially impacting labor laws in a way that benefits corporate interests over employee welfare.
While these points outline potential dangers, it's also worth noting that Musk's involvement could bring innovation and efficiency to government functions. However, the concentration of power and influence in one individual, particularly one with vast business interests, remains a significant point of contention in discussions about governance and policy-making.
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Phrasing your question that way is begging the question, because you assert that he's a danger to the United States without offering any evidence to support your claim. Much better would have been to ask Grok if he's a danger and only follow up by asking how if Grok replied that he is.
Re:Posed a question to Grok (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Posed a question to Grok (Score:5, Informative)
So let's try this instead: "Is there any danger to the United States having Elon Musk act as an advisor to Donald Trump?"
Response:
The question of whether Elon Musk acting as an advisor to Donald Trump could pose any danger to the United States involves considering multiple perspectives:
Potential Benefits:
Innovation and Efficiency: Elon Musk is known for his innovative approaches in technology, automotive, and space industries. His involvement could potentially drive policy towards more efficient government operations, focusing on cutting unnecessary regulations which might encourage technological advancement and business growth. Trump has expressed intentions to leverage Musk's expertise for government efficiency, which could benefit economic development.
Economic Influence: Musk's businesses, especially Tesla and SpaceX, are significant players in their respective industries. His advice could align with policies that foster growth in these sectors, potentially boosting employment and technological leadership.
Global Competition: With Musk's insights, there might be a push for policies that enhance U.S. competitiveness in technology and space, areas where China is also heavily investing. This could be seen as beneficial in terms of maintaining or increasing U.S. global standing.
Potential Risks:
Conflicts of Interest: Musk's involvement in advising on policy while having business interests regulated by the government could lead to significant conflicts of interest. His companies, like Tesla and SpaceX, have ongoing dealings with federal agencies, and his role might be viewed as an opportunity to influence regulations in favor of his businesses.
Regulatory Rollback: Musk has openly criticized government regulations, particularly those affecting his companies. Advising Trump on reducing regulatory burdens might lead to a rollback in labor, environmental, and safety standards, which could have broader negative implications for public welfare, worker rights, and environmental protection.
Political Power Dynamics: Musk's influence in the Trump administration could skew policy-making towards the interests of billionaires, potentially exacerbating wealth inequality or skewing public policy towards corporate interests over public good. Posts on X have highlighted concerns about this dynamic, suggesting it might undermine democratic processes by concentrating influence in the hands of a few.
Foreign Policy and National Security: Musk's past interactions with foreign leaders like Vladimir Putin raise concerns about how his advice might affect U.S. foreign policy, especially given his business interests in China and previous stances on international issues like Taiwan. This could complicate U.S. strategic interests or security policies.
Public and Political Perception:
Public Trust: The partnership between Musk and Trump has already sparked debate and criticism, with some fearing it might further erode trust in government if perceived as favoring corporate interests over public welfare. However, others might see it as a pragmatic approach to government, bringing in business acumen to improve efficiency.
In summary, while Musk's advisory role could bring innovation and economic benefits, it also introduces significant risks related to conflicts of interest, regulatory standards, and the concentration of political power. The actual impact would depend heavily on how this relationship evolves in practice and the policies enacted as a result of his influence.
Just trying to see if anything deliberately filtered out the critical parts of the answer.
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while i appreciate your correct use of the fallacy
yeah look LLMs don't give a shit. They don't run on logical association, they just work on statistical relationships between words.
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yeah look LLMs don't give a shit. They don't run on logical association, they just work on statistical relationships between words.
No idea why there are people that still do not understand that. These people must be willfully ignorant at this time. To be fair, most people prefer willful ignorance (selecting what they like as "truth") over actual truth. Bout 80% in fact, because only about 20% are open to rational argument. (On non-important questions that raises to 30%, but even that is pathetically low.)
Re: Posed a question to Grok (Score:2)
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i don't know; i'm not a coprophage. maybe you should ask grok?
"Synergy" (Score:4, Interesting)
So is X paying a bunch of money to make xAI look profitable, or is xAI giving it to X for free to try and revive the company he's killing?
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Obviously the former. Openly or hidden. No "AI" company in the LLM-space is profitable. In fact they all make huge losses, because they have no products, beyond a bit better search, "better crap", and producing bad code. None of these are really valuable or big money makers.
I'll drink to that (Score:4, Funny)
I grok. (Score:5, Insightful)
If Elon offered me water, I would refuse it.
Regardless of what others may say about him, good and bad, here is my gripe: he is notorious for overworking his people, including salaried workers who receive no overtime pay for all the hours they sacrifice to him. In my book, that makes him a greedy exploiter and abuser of his position of power.
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More than that, he tends to make sweeping changes that make absolutely no sense, for the most petty reasons.
Source: I worked at Tesla where at one point he issued an edict that we were to migrate off of AWS because him and Bezos were in a pissing match over stuff completely unrelated to the manufacture and sale of cars or solar panels. There were many hours wasted on planning such a transition, until the executives in charge left, and new ones were hired that said "this is an absolute waste of time and mon
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And, according to Grok, "Elon Musk has been identified as one of the most significant spreaders of misinformation on X since he acquired the platform."
Google: grok musk most misinformation [google.com]
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Well, that is what "no filter" gets you.
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In my book, that makes him a greedy exploiter and abuser of his position of power.
Same here. And he does so without any need or rational reason. He already has more money than he can ever spend. That is what a really bad person looks like.
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With all due respect
No. Making a silver age sci-fi reference does not actually make him cool or interesting, and it doesn't mean he understood the content of the story let alone the implication... But also it's questionable that there's anything of merit to read into it, short of the idea that libertarians would be full of boundless love and win at being sacrificial space Jesus if only magic were real.
He's never going to be able to cover up the fact that he either hasn't seen or read most of the things he m
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I read it and I'm not sure what you mean. Is this a ritual cannibalism joke?
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My memory of the book goes beyond that part. You don't remember anything about funerary rites?
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FWIW, it could be done in a useful way. It *could*!! This doesn't mean that's what I expect.
xAI (Score:4, Interesting)
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> I mean, the Tesla is an 'ok' car but it can't compete with the 100 years of experience and infrastructure other companies have.
Well, they seem to currently at least be able to compete pretty well, given that they seem to have highest automotive margins of any company except low volume luxury brands like Ferrari.
And other similar metrics, like how long from production until the vehicle is sold and so on.
So the experience, infrastructure and such does not seem to help the other companies that much.
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They have had multiple rounds of price cuts and offering 0% financing world wide in a high interest world. Their margins are now the same or worse than every other car company.
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Well.. I do not know... someone seems to disagree with you at least: https://autotribute.com/auto-i... [autotribute.com]
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Also their top line numbers are wildly inflated due to all the government handouts/credits. Remove those and their numbers are downright terrible.
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Apparently in Germany one of the Tesla repair centers has been shut down for months and people now need to drive > 1000km to get their car repaired. That is about as crappy as "service" as it gets.
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Hallucinating investors. They see this thing as AGI and the golden future. Of course, that is not true at all. For starters, as "Grok" has no filters, it is very likely illegal in much of the world, including Europe. For here is the thing, under the GDPR if you claim false things about a person in a public, electronic form, you _must_ correct that on request, no exceptions. The only way that is possible with LLMs is by filters. If you do not correct this, penalties increase up to and including a total prohi
My naive take (Score:2)
Hey! Posting traffic is up. More places to put ads. Dear Advertiser, your message is going to waaay more people... look at allll that traffic! Pay me more money.
Grok works pretty well, no filters (Score:1)
I've been using Grok off and on and it seems to work pretty well, about as well as other AI for coding or general questions.
However where Grok really shines is if you ask anything that ventures close to contentious topics. Grok will at least give you an answer, lots of other AI refusing to do anything.
And this is exactly why Grok is free, so that everyone on earth can see the difference between an AI with a lot of filters and bias built in, vs.a freely opinionated AI.
I will say I'm not really impressed wit
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Grok is not "free". It requires you to be a Twitter user.
Free is Free (Score:1)
Grok is not "free". It requires you to be a Twitter user.
Which is free to sign up for so.... ??
Kinda dumb for you to post that given the main story headline.
FTFY (Score:2)
Making Grok more widely available might help it compete with the already-free chatbots
Making Grok more widely available might help it gather more free training data from the 'RIGHT' sources
Elon no grok "grok" (Score:2)
Much like Zuck didn't understand Snow Crash.
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Indeed. These assholes just take whatever they like, no respect, no insight, no honor.
I got my 100 dollar check from Elon (Score:2)
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You can be bought for $100? Talk about selling yourself cheap!
Thet is the unfettered one, right? (Score:2)
The one that will tell you to kill yourself, do dangerous things, etc. ...
Aetiology of Grok (Score:2)
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he never invented anything
Correct. He has not [imgur.com].
he is just spending government money
Correct. He is spending government money via SpaceX and previously with his failing car company which only exists because of government money [cnn.com].
he enables fascists on twitter
Yup, that he does. And censors people who call out the fascists.
he promised we would be driving self-driving cars on Mars by now, just to get money from investors
Close, but not quite. He has been promising self-driving vehicles for 11 years [jalopnik.com]. And we're nowh
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