That would certainly be interesting, but we'd need to see better evidence. I'm basing my opinion on what's publicly available and we have more than enough to reasonably believe the alleged shooter hated Charlie Kirk personally.

The memes don't add anything for me. I'd guess the guy at that age didn't fall far from the family tree politically or ideologically, it certainly seems that way from the interview with the mom. Guy goes to college, discovers himself. Mom says he started getting political, and what's that mean? He disapproved of anti-lgbt rhetoric? That doesn't make him left-wing suddenly, it's personal... obviously. If we don't need any strain of extremism or echo chambers to explain a possible motive, there's no point building weak extrapolations from the meme quotes. Those are floating puzzle pieces that don't attach to the main body we have right now.

He may ALSO be a groyper, or a communist sleeper agent, or Bigfoot. I'm sure we'll find out during the trial because the state will have to go deep on his motives for one of the enhancements they filed. We'll find out, and blue on blue dude, take care of yourself.

If wishes were fishes, road rage would end with bubble-wrap and kisses.

The state charged the shooter with some enhancements that require them to go nuts deep into motives. Besides that, the shooting has been publicly framed as politically motivated. If a communist says you're gay and you punch him in the face, is that politically motivated assault? It's not terribly difficult to see the personal conflict here, and not a political or ideological one. All we're going on is the insistence that digging chicks with dicks, or men with tits is left-wing ideology, as if gay Republicans aren't real, or the gay conservative club is strictly beards and lumber axes.

Fuck if I know, I'm not in any of those camps, but that is some strange gatekeeping. Of course that has been conservatives whole thing in general, so I wouldn't put it past them.

You're right, and I understand other slashdotter's passion on the subject, but this is also the same group that does family IT support. There's overlap. I may have a home networking closet. Mom gets hand me down iPads. Dad gets sent to Best Buy not to return with anything under $500. Etc. I'm not messing with anyone else's clunker.

Nobody is criticizing anyone's expandable laptop or gaming PC light show or whatever hobby machine they play on, but stones get thrown the other way at regular users with regular daily driver machines they don't want to mess with, it's weird. Like the whole PCMR thing, insecurities on display.

You just made that up, why are you talking about other people lying when you can't get something simple straight to make your point? It's the only way your point can be made? Check. Here's the sentence you butchered.

That's accurate. Official statements? What, like before the investigation has even began, the governor of Utah's theory of yah, he was conservative, from a conservative family, conservative ideals but he went to college and got rapid onset leftwing extremism!

Figuring out that you're into dudes in college doesn't make you suddenly NOT conservative. Trump's Treasury Secretary, Scott Bessent is gay FFS, among others, it's not a fucking secret. Young gay conservatives are still MAGA's own. Young gay conservatives that like chicks with dicks are... still part of MAGA's base. You can also be conservative and not be AT ALL OK with a LOT of shit going on. You can even, against all odds, still support the current administration even, while harboring "concerns". None of this should surprise anyone.

MAGA is 100% the problem.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politic...

MAGA are the dumbest people on earth. ASVAB waiver stupid. I would have joined but I would have punched a DI, dumb. Maybe tariffs won't cost me money because I can't do math, morons. If I have to make up stories to bring the media's attention to how fucking dumb MAGA is, I will, to paraphrase your Vice President. MAGA is violent, MAGA is white supremecist rallies, MAGA is proud boys, MAGA is literal neo-Nazi parades, MAGA is Groypers, and all sorts of other nasty unintelligent trash. Literally the worst people in our country. Opportunistic Republicans I can respect sorta, conservatives, sure. MAGA are poor dumb fucking bigots following a con-man. Ask a MAGA dipshit how the deficit is doing now. *NPC stare* What am I supposed to do with that, feel sorry? I didn't pour the koolaid and make them drink it.

Dude, nobody is telling young girls that men are evil.

Little girls see the same little boys that you see. The same boys that won't look you in the eye. Don't talk about their feelings. Don't focus on their school work. Pick fights, be rude, roughhouse, disrupt class, etc. Way too fucking online and anti-social. If you're their parent, what are you DOING? You won't put them in Boy Scouts because "it's gAy"? You're part of the problem.

I know you know about those exact issues because you complain about them too, but you blame the school. Now it's the girls. I think maybe you're the problem. Laying those problems at the feet of other well-adjusted kids is just fucking chilling man. Literally everything you said is backwards and wrong just like that one. Young men need help. You can start by helping them instead of blaming everyone else like a lunatic. Everyone wants to complain about the boys, nobody wants to cop to being parents of those same bored, unsocialized, unfit, way too online boys. Build a fucking doghouse with them, take them out for volunteer work, take them dirt biking FFS, and show them how adult men make new friends. The fuck is wrong with you?

I'm honestly expecting someone to do the political math and back off to avoid offending all the gooners and GamerGate types who's votes they count on. Will definitely be tuning into C-SPAN for this one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

As they say, if it shits like a duck.

I think you misunderstand people's motivations and lack a sense of scale.

A HUGE amount of people care about police violence in their own cities, and they were out in the streets in every major city and a lot of smaller ones. When you have tens of millions of people in the streets you get a few crazies. 15-26 million engaged people, feet on the ground.

I'm going to be honest, I don't think many conservatives liked Charlie Kirk in particular. He's like an uneducated Rush Limbaugh and drug religion into odd corners. Few million followers on xitter, for the entertainment? There were more feet on the ground for blue lives matter than Charlie Kirk's vigils, just saying.

Killing Charlie Kirk makes you a murderer not a radical. Charlie said some hateful things about a lot of people, and for them it's personal. Fox News and New York Post are happy to report that the alleged shooter is a member of or adjacent to one or more groups we know for a fact Charlie has said some very hateful things about. Do to them what we did in the 1950s, stoning gays is god's perfect law, etc. That's not politics, it's not policy, it's not political theory, it's just hateful. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the possible motives here, and it wasn't disagreement over universal healthcare or college debt or size of government.

I see a glaring problem here. Do you know how much a ticket costs on a commuter train? Crackheads can't afford them.

You have never used the American railway system in your life, have you. Shut your fucking mouth.

I have never heard of an urban, but not suburban train. I know your only experience is the Disney monorail, but dude, this is a larger scale than a theme park. Trains go from the city, through the suburbs, and beyond. It's like the whole fucking point. Commuter trains connect the jobs in the city to the vast, rich expanse of exurbs beyond the reach of light rail.

You say it's not a problem, then you complain about the traffic. Then you complain about construction. Then the apartment buildings. It will happen because the growth will happen, like it or not. When you say low density development, what you actually mean is you want low density no development. Everyone wants the economy of the bigass city down the road, but the neighbor situation of Alaska. Then they act shocked and butthurt when more neighbors show up like nobody else is thinking the same thing.

Think how your vascular system is laid out. There's the big tubes, connected to littler tubes, to littler tubes, etc. If you don't want growth, move somewhere with little to no economic activity. You can be as spread out thinly as you want there, I can respect that. Otherwise your little town will turn into a big town some day, and you can do that with your head in the sand in a really stupid way, or you can do it in a smart way.

To vote for what for example?

Charlie Kirk was never on a ballot, and people keep saying his "politics", he was targeted because someone hated his "politics". Charlie Kirk's opinions on a lot of things were not "politics", and they were hateful. The shooter apparently had someone close to him (roommate) that was a member of a group Charlie Kirk openly hated, this is all based on what's been reported so far. All we have from the Utah governor is a vapid "leftist ideologies" and some theory of rapid radicalization. What is he calling leftist, because the shooter seems to be a stereotypical angry young white conservative/libertarian guy that was gay and didn't like Charlie's hate speech.

At trial it will be very interesting what evidence is brought to support the aggravated murder charge because everything points to very personal feelings, not politics. I certainly don't think Charlie saying we should do to someone what they did in the 1950s is politics, nor do I believe the shooter disagreed with him on universal health care, or small government.

The shooting was personal not political. Murder not assassination. Prove me wrong.

You're upset at someone being upset. Nobody was upset. A group of adults got together and decided to do something different.

Why do you feel upset by this. Why on earth do you feel insulted. How do you not see the irony? I honestly thought the Cracker Barrel episode would expose this kind of tail-eating dumbness.

Do a little reflection and recognize that your feelings aren't from other people being irrationally upset about the status quo, because you certainly didn't know or care if they existed until now, as evidenced by your shock and disbelief. Your feelings are from being irrationally upset about change, and you're projecting, onto "them". That's a you thing. I'll break it down Barney-style: WHAT THEYRE CHANGING THE LOGO, WHOS UPSET WITH THE OLD LOGO. The company just decided to rebrand. There's one upset party that wants to change something and they think it's someone else. Do you get it now?

Oh you thought that would be a joke? Don't tease. Minimum standards in order to call something Italian. A legit Italian food review board or something. Absofuckinglutely yes.

There's a big fight over Almond "Milk", but you can put mozzarella on Cacio e Pepe and call it Italian. Fuck that like sliced american cheese on lasagna.