The Bollinger looks like what a Land Rover should look, simple and tough, not this WTCC racing Evoque that looks too fancy to use it on actual mountain trails.
Why not lower the suspension and/or put the ramp down and walk up it?
You're trying to pretend that this is the same as any normal pickup truck. It's definitely not. And for a lot of the trucks out there today, you can't reach into them anyway they're so tall.
So not something for people who want a truck. Do I have that right?
Well, I'd prefer a lift gate to their ramp as it seems too steep to roll something heavy up it. Still, for people who want a truck, I think a big draw will be that it has 110 and 220 electrical outlets and built in air compressor. I'm already looking at installing a generator and air compressor into my Ford F-350 for welder and air tools. This already has those features that would be needed for a decent fraction of work trucks. What I really wish is that it was a hybrid for the times I need the range or lot
It's a unibody design so it needs the sail pillars to mitigate torsion on the frame when pulling a load.
The load when towing is a definite issue for the design of unibody trucks. The Cybertruck will be a light-duty pickup truck, but I believe it will be a very respectable truck for most pickup buyers.
Share price went down 6% after the launch. Partly due to the windows smashing no doubt, but it seems that the markets don't think this thing will sell very well.
To be fair, the deposit was only $100 US and it's refundable. I also believe that it'll sell better than many people think just because it's a Tesla but, I don't think that it'll sell to every one of those quarter-million people.
Sure but you can't access the truck bed from the sides; that's pretty important for many "truck things".
I've owned many pickup trucks. Most of them can't be accessed from the sides; they have a cargo box. Rarely do they get removed.
The limitation of the Cybertruck's unibody structure will be that it cannot be sold as a chassis cab setup; in other words, a driveable frame with a cab where the buyer attaches the necessary equipment (from an RV body to a salt spreader, etc) to the bare frame.
The vast majority of pickup trucks sell with an attached box, and the vast majority of worn-out pickup trucks at the junkyard still have their boxes. So, for most people who buy pickup trucks, the design should be fine.
Aftermarket truck caps will appear for the Cybertruck, if it is a success in the market. I'm sure lots of cap companies already have sketches on the drawing board.
I doubt Tesla is targeting the serious truck market with this vehicle. Based on the specs, it is a very viable pickup truck for most pickup truck buyers - but it's not something where you can bolt on a snow plow blade and a salt spreader and use it to clear the parking lot of your local Wal*Mart. It needs to make the compromise of fuel efficiency (ie. battery range) of a real frame for those tasks.
I applaud Tesla for the design and the styling. It looks angry and aggressive, which does sell trucks. I like the unibody design, because it's inherently better for *most* vehicles. I love the stainless steel body, but that just might be the former Delorean owner in me, and stainless is ideal for a truck carrying gravel or other abrasives in its box. It's not a vehicle for towing (there'd be no side clearance for a 5th wheel hitch) or other heavy-duty use. But as a general-purpose pickup truck, it's impressive.
Only 0.3% of the population of the earth is taller than I am. I have a 2018 F150. I can't reach into the bed over the sides of my truck. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but that's where we are today with pickups, unfortunately.
I ordered the "Cybertruck" because the F150, after 60 years of evolution it is still crap. It has a 10 speed transmission and can't decide which gear it needs to be in. The powertrain clunks and bangs as I'm driving it and when I complained the dealership told me "sounds normal". Ford has recalled it 3 times so far, all because it may burst into flames. Every once in a while it freaks out because it thinks the hood is open, but I can't get the dealership to fix it because "they can't reproduce the problem".
I have a Model 3. Trust me when I tell you that Tesla is going to absolutely kill these jokers. It wouldn't matter if it only came in pink and looked like Hello Fucking Kitty.
Skin it. Hell, it's 80% of the way to "Transformer" as it sits.
Seats five, lowest spec is $40k. Add a "Jem & the Holograms" paint job (that you can trade out pretty simply), and it could be a solid Mom-mobile, good camping companion, and general weekend warrior for the twice a month you actually need a truck.
I agree with your assessment. While Pickups are useful vehicles - only once in my younger days did I need/have a plow. Most of the time it was an empty truck drinking fuel.
These days my life is kids in a car seat - and the truck bed would be Hauling Crap to either the beach or the dump. Most of the time (5 days a week) it's hauling kids to school and then getting to work. I don't like 15 MPG - so I now have a Hot Hatch that get's ~30 MPG - and while smaller than a truck it is much more economical and
As a truck owner itâ(TM)s not ideal, but not a deal breaker either. I only need side loading once a year and there are alternatives, meaning 30 mins more labor once a year.
Our entire landscape is saturated by truck ads whose primary message is about how trucks look. Sure the âlookâ is different - itâ(TM)s about intimidation and dominance and fear rather than beauty or cool - but it is 100% about looks.
Problem is that they are aiming this thing to be a toy hauler, not a work truck. I'm sure some dude heading to the beach in California will dig it, but a farmer in Idaho wouldnt touch this with a 10 foot pole.
I'm not sure that's a very serious problem. They're not looking to sell as many as Ford (they don't have the production facilities, for one thing), so folks who just want it for looks (and toy hauling) may well be enough of a market for them.
Strange, because when the new Dodge Ram look came out in the 90s, it was complimented for its looks. Regardless, anybody blessed with the gift of sight flat out doesn't want to give it a second look.
This design would be great for hitting pedestrians though! They should just slide right over the top with little resistance leaving minimal wind screen residue that the wipers should easily deal with!
The angular design screams GAMER. Maybe that's the market Elon's after this time. Because it's only in gear intended for players or fans of first person shooters that I consistently see such loud highly angular designs, at least outside of the military, a second market which I suspect might have some pretty wide overlap with the first.
They should just resume producing a ~2008 Tacoma chassis with electric RWD powertrain, and it should be like $38,000 for the biggest capacity version.
I am glad that it doesn't look like the semi at all, I appreciate it has air suspension, it's super rugged, blah blah blah, but what the world needs is an electric 2008 Tacoma or Ranger sized pickup, which has modern powertrain.
You can't, no room for the battery hence the unibody design. Underframes would have to be really tall to accommodate the battery, thus raising the center of mass.
Uh, take the skateboard design and put a cab and bed on it. Didn't say it had to be body on rails still, although you could totally put pack between and hanging off the sides of the rails also. With a light truck chassis, you could easily get 150-200 mi range with pack under the hood and stuffed around the frame. EV west did it like a decade ago with a Ranger
It looks like something from a low-budget sci-fi movie where they skinned some cars with silver-painted plywood and throw in zippy sound effects whenever it moves.
It looks like something from a low-budget sci-fi movie where they skinned some cars with silver-painted plywood and throw in zippy sound effects whenever it moves.
I will admit that the design is very out there, but the thing I like about it most is the fact that it is imply different. With a few exceptions, it feels like many of the new cars in the price range of the cyber truck that come out these days all look so similar in their designs. I see the same with pickup trucks, almost every new pickup truck I've seen advertised seems to have a design that is very similar to the others on the market. The largest reason I like the design of the cyber truck is because it's
The DeLorean was trying to increase durability and simplify manufacturing a little. But the application of the SS only affected the design in a skin deep way.
The main driver for SS on the Cybertruck seems to be to serve as an exoskeleton and allow the frame to be eliminated. If the DeLorean had done that, it truly would have been a leap in technology.
As a nerd, I love the CyberTruck, not for its looks but because it put function completely ahead of aesthetics. Its look is e
Except that it's an electric car/truck. An electric wouldn't be practical for me, and to make the range reasonable I'd have to buy the $70k version... Which makes it not practical again.
It's too bad. I'd like to see a 4 cylinder turbo version.
Yes, he is a great smart guy, doing a lot for the environment, but he has this Achilles heel that limits his appeal. I call it Tony Starkism, and it manifests through all his products. It is this implicit idea of being a lone savior, who alone produces value. It limits his products from interoperability, of being used as a platform for other peoples heroic stories. For instance, the pickup who pulls you out of the ditch is your hero, the maker of his winch and top rack or camper is his hero. In rural Americ
What am I missing? You can't put a rack on it? Probably, you can. You can't put a winch on it? Probably, you can. You can't put 10,000w of extra fog lamps on it? You can't jack it up and put gigantic tires on it?
Personally, I would be much more into it if it didn't look like hell. But it's utilitarian enough for me to buy one.
I think this was done to throw their competitors off. When the truck does come to market, it will likely look like a normal, if not a bit more stylish pick-up truck.
This is kind of like how arcade game companies would have fake games, complete with cabinet artwork in order to throw off their competitors when the press came around. (or they used to back in the day).
I just don't see Tesla selling something that looks like a late 1970s/early 1980s sci-fi prop.
This just sounds like an excuse from someone that just can't accept the reality that this really was the concept truck Tesla has been working on.
They will add mirrors, wipers, turn signals, etc. The sheet metal will be thinned out which will lighten the body and make it actually meet some kind of crash safety standards.
But it will still look like an 80s movie prop, for the most part.
"This just sounds like an excuse from someone that just can't accept the reality that this really was the concept truck Tesla has been working on."
I couldn't really care less what Tesla releases. I just don't see them releasing anything that looks so angular and boxy.
Of course they might prove me wrong, but this is an extreme departure from the curvy rounded vehicles just about everybody (including Tesla) has put on the market.
I really would ditch the sloped bed if I were them, because even if they th
Well the F150 can legally be registered for on road use. This one isn't street legal without a lot of changes, so the F150 does have that going for it...
(This truck needs mirrors, bumpers, headlights, tail lights, side markers, mud flaps, crumple zones, pedestrian crash ratings, the removal of the top windshield light among other things to be allowed on public roads)
Elon has previously criticized other automakers for showing off outlandish concept cars that will never make it to production, but that's exact
I have my doubts.. people buy like a F250, replace the bed with a utility thing (cant do that with unibody), and I wonder about towing. Not that I don't think the Cybertruck is neat, but I think based on its designs there are some things a 250 or 150 would still be better at.
Out of interested given the strength of the panels and body he was bragging about how is this thing going to pass any of the safety crash tests? modern cars crumple for a reason or am I missing something?
As I understand it the doors are the least crumple-y parts of the exterior because they're essentially part of the passenger cage, and a sledgehammer has a lot less energy than a car, so I'm not surprised that they could make it hammer resistant. Adding some grooves to the non-visible side of the steel panels in the front and back should allow/cause them to fold up predictably while absorbing impact energy, I would think.
They really are. We have just become used to them.
Exactly that. WTF are people comparing it with to find it ugly? Pickup trucks are some of the ugliest vehicles (although for me the Hummer is even uglier), while this looks unique and sci-fi (or at least retro sci-fi), which is all good given that looks are not even remotely the most important part for the target usage. I did find it weird the first few seconds looking at it, but I quickly decided on "good" weird. Yeah, lines are fines, I don't assume vehicles have to have curves. I am definitely not going
:) a future holds where vehicles no longer have to be compromises.
A vehicle that has the efficiencies of a modern aerodynamic car, and the utility of a pickup. That is where this concept can go.
It is similar to the sports car paradigm; the model S is faster than a sports car without any of the negatives like poor fuel, or small cargo capacities.
So many innovations inside such an offputting design. They are targeting the wrong market with this thing. Rather than the working man who needs a truck, Tesla is aiming at the people who have shiny trucks for the image. Every other tesla is hard to pick out from a distance, they look like other cars in its class... a typical person would buy one. The truck is off putting to the average person. They could have been somewhat innovative, but decided to just yeet the ball into the woods. I'm sure there a
I think the design is exactly the result of targeting the working man. They looked for the best way to meet the performance goals and let the function dictate the look. The look wasn't a choice. It is the result dictated by using an exoskeleton to get the skin to double as frame and cut weight while still retaining tremendous strength. I would rather much rather be driving this through shrubs on a logging road than a normal painted truck with relatively flimsy sides.
Four seats, ample space for cargo or luggage, electric, off-road if necessary, really sturdy body (goodbye worries about minor bumps and scratches on paint)... I could take my whole family on a trip wherever I wanted and with as much luggage as they wanted, and regardless of road conditions. I would buy one if I could (in Brazil you pay double because of the taxes).
One big negative is the size of the cargo area. It needs to be big enough to hold a sheet of plywood (4x8). If it had that I would order one now not withstanding the ugly.
Well, in my country in the situation you described we would use a "true" small truck, like this one [dreamstime.com]. Or the most common if you only have a pickup truck (a Cybertruck would be called a pickup truck in Brazil) would be to place the cargo with the back door open and strapped tight if it is too long to fit.
Am I "a fan?" As in, am I buying merch like tee-shirts and hats, rooting for its success, and following its sales performance on a daily basis?
Hell no.
Seems like you're hyping the thing just asking the question in that way.
It looks like a nice product. I'll wait for first-adopter reviews of TCO, reliability, utility, and bang-for-the-buck. Maybe it will be useful. But I don't care if it succeeds any more than I would care if a new flavor of Pringles succeeds. Electric cars are an inevitable evolution from t
Iâ(TM)m pretty sure that the proportion of slashdot readers who are also pickup truck fans is small. The useful survey would just be of current pickup owners
Modern cars have softer bodies with deformation zones to save lives in both cars in a collision. With the rigid body and tank like design, the Cyber Truck looks like it could be very dangerous both for its passengers, but even more for the passengers of the other vehicle. If another car hits the Tesla from behind, the angled back looks like it could push the Tesla up on top of the other vehicle. (The front is not much better)
I bet the Tesla engineers have a solution for this. And I really look forward to
I love competition. I love the innovation that it brings. The Cybertruck is a bold innovation in design and cars. Will people love it or hate it? The market will decide. That's a beautiful thing.
I don't really need a vehicle like that though. My first concern is that it suits my needs and it certainly exceeds my needs, but it also exceeds my budget.
I also want something that doesn't turn heads and this thing certainly will. But after thinking about it for a few days I think it's kind of cool and I'm not buying the argument that you can't easily access the bed right behind the cab because you can't do that on a lot of other pickups either.
I will never understand that love of so many of my new compatriots for trucks. They don't live in the sticks, they don't have to haul big massive objects. They don't need any off road capability for most of them. These things use a massive amount of space on roads which is problematic on cities and for cyclists like yours truly when they brush too close. They guzzle energy at an asinine level. As the fuel price goes up (and it does) these road colossus will be unsustainable.
You are mostly right. The problem with modern cars that leads to buying a truck is the lack of towing ability. There is no reason my car could not pull a 14 ft fishing boat, but manufacture says no towing allowed. If I graft a hitch on anyway, and the is an accident, then all liability is on me for an unauthorized modification on the vehicle, which also instantly terminated the warranty.
So we see all these four-door trucks. Dopey looking? Check. No room in the bed? Check. Still can legally tow something? Ch
My dad's F-250 is used for hauling cows to the auction a dozen or so times a year, over 30 miles of nasty mountain roads; the rest of the time it mainly drives around our fairly mountainous ranch, hauling gear for redoing fences, towing a hay trailer and generally getting beat to hell by my dad and my brother's casual attitutde toward driving through brush and backing into things.
The CybrTrck looks to me like it would beat out the soon to be retired f250 on every spec. Better or equal hauling, at least in t
The appearance is perfectly fine. It will be a conversation piece, and will make you look both tough and progressive. Sure, it's not very practical - but lets be honest: most US pickup trucks are show-off vehicles, and not actually all that useful.
If you want a decent work vehicle, you would be better off either with commercial van [volkswagen...hrzeuge.de] or an actually useful open bed truck [volkswagen...hrzeuge.de]. Neither of those is pretty, but both are a lot more practical than a typical pickup truck [motor1.com].
I had no idea how many polls there were now. I always voted for Cowboy Neal... But you fuckers are clearly opting in to some targeted advertising. That's more expensive than gen pop and you get nothing out of it.
Remember the YRO subside? Jesus wearing Birkenstocks to a get wedding, you fuckers are weird these days.
I have no particular use for a second row of seats. I do want an 8 foot bed. I want a variation on the camping shell that goes straight back from the high point in front. And, if it's unibody, I want a frunk hatch that will let me put long boards under the passenger seat all the way through to the tail end. That would be enough. A bed drawer and an externally accessible toolbox drawer behind the driver's seat would be icing on the cake.
It's ugly, yes it is (Score:4, Insightful)
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I'm still lusting after the Bollinger B1
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Why not lower the suspension and/or put the ramp down and walk up it?
You're trying to pretend that this is the same as any normal pickup truck. It's definitely not. And for a lot of the trucks out there today, you can't reach into them anyway they're so tall.
It's not a truck? (Score:3, Insightful)
So not something for people who want a truck. Do I have that right?
Not that I disagree. Although I would replace "want a truck" with "are sane".
And I like Lamborghinis.
Damn, now you got me discussing something of no relevance whatsoever anyway.
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So not something for people who want a truck. Do I have that right?
Well, I'd prefer a lift gate to their ramp as it seems too steep to roll something heavy up it. Still, for people who want a truck, I think a big draw will be that it has 110 and 220 electrical outlets and built in air compressor. I'm already looking at installing a generator and air compressor into my Ford F-350 for welder and air tools. This already has those features that would be needed for a decent fraction of work trucks. What I really wish is that it was a hybrid for the times I need the range or lot
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It's a unibody design so it needs the sail pillars to mitigate torsion on the frame when pulling a load.
The load when towing is a definite issue for the design of unibody trucks. The Cybertruck will be a light-duty pickup truck, but I believe it will be a very respectable truck for most pickup buyers.
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Share price went down 6% after the launch. Partly due to the windows smashing no doubt, but it seems that the markets don't think this thing will sell very well.
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Most pickup trucks have no side access.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure but you can't access the truck bed from the sides; that's pretty important for many "truck things".
I've owned many pickup trucks. Most of them can't be accessed from the sides; they have a cargo box. Rarely do they get removed.
The limitation of the Cybertruck's unibody structure will be that it cannot be sold as a chassis cab setup; in other words, a driveable frame with a cab where the buyer attaches the necessary equipment (from an RV body to a salt spreader, etc) to the bare frame.
The vast majority of pickup trucks sell with an attached box, and the vast majority of worn-out pickup trucks at the junkyard still have their boxes. So, for most people who buy pickup trucks, the design should be fine.
Aftermarket truck caps will appear for the Cybertruck, if it is a success in the market. I'm sure lots of cap companies already have sketches on the drawing board.
I doubt Tesla is targeting the serious truck market with this vehicle. Based on the specs, it is a very viable pickup truck for most pickup truck buyers - but it's not something where you can bolt on a snow plow blade and a salt spreader and use it to clear the parking lot of your local Wal*Mart. It needs to make the compromise of fuel efficiency (ie. battery range) of a real frame for those tasks.
I applaud Tesla for the design and the styling. It looks angry and aggressive, which does sell trucks. I like the unibody design, because it's inherently better for *most* vehicles. I love the stainless steel body, but that just might be the former Delorean owner in me, and stainless is ideal for a truck carrying gravel or other abrasives in its box. It's not a vehicle for towing (there'd be no side clearance for a 5th wheel hitch) or other heavy-duty use. But as a general-purpose pickup truck, it's impressive.
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Only 0.3% of the population of the earth is taller than I am. I have a 2018 F150. I can't reach into the bed over the sides of my truck. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but that's where we are today with pickups, unfortunately.
I ordered the "Cybertruck" because the F150, after 60 years of evolution it is still crap. It has a 10 speed transmission and can't decide which gear it needs to be in. The powertrain clunks and bangs as I'm driving it and when I complained the dealership told me "sounds normal". Ford has recalled it 3 times so far, all because it may burst into flames. Every once in a while it freaks out because it thinks the hood is open, but I can't get the dealership to fix it because "they can't reproduce the problem".
I have a Model 3. Trust me when I tell you that Tesla is going to absolutely kill these jokers. It wouldn't matter if it only came in pink and looked like Hello Fucking Kitty.
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It wouldn't matter if it only came in pink and looked like Hello Fucking Kitty.
I think you're underestimating how many people would buy a Hello Kitty Cybertruck.
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Skin it. Hell, it's 80% of the way to "Transformer" as it sits.
Seats five, lowest spec is $40k. Add a "Jem & the Holograms" paint job (that you can trade out pretty simply), and it could be a solid Mom-mobile, good camping companion, and general weekend warrior for the twice a month you actually need a truck.
Assuming they actually get built, of course.
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I agree with your assessment. While Pickups are useful vehicles - only once in my younger days did I need/have a plow. Most of the time it was an empty truck drinking fuel.
These days my life is kids in a car seat - and the truck bed would be Hauling Crap to either the beach or the dump. Most of the time (5 days a week) it's hauling kids to school and then getting to work. I don't like 15 MPG - so I now have a Hot Hatch that get's ~30 MPG - and while smaller than a truck it is much more economical and
Re: It's ugly, yes it is (Score:2)
As a truck owner itâ(TM)s not ideal, but not a deal breaker either. I only need side loading once a year and there are alternatives, meaning 30 mins more labor once a year.
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The truck industry isnâ(TM)t about looks?
Our entire landscape is saturated by truck ads whose primary message is about how trucks look. Sure the âlookâ is different - itâ(TM)s about intimidation and dominance and fear rather than beauty or cool - but it is 100% about looks.
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I'm not sure that's a very serious problem. They're not looking to sell as many as Ford (they don't have the production facilities, for one thing), so folks who just want it for looks (and toy hauling) may well be enough of a market for them.
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Strange, because when the new Dodge Ram look came out in the 90s, it was complimented for its looks. Regardless, anybody blessed with the gift of sight flat out doesn't want to give it a second look.
plus it looks great (Score:2)
CAD Problems? (Score:2)
It looks like someone didn't know that CAD can do curves...
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Stealth Fighter Design (Score:3)
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It looks like it was designed by a 12-year-old.
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It looks like a rejected design from an Italian spaghetti Mad Max movie (look up Equalizer 2000), FTFY, etc.
Gamer Truck (Score:1)
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You could say the same of Lamborghini...
Only the ones from the 70s-80s though.
Expletively Awesome (Score:1)
*ba-dum TISS* (Score:1)
Otherwise, some might take you seriously.
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but what the world needs is an electric 2008 Tacoma or Ranger sized pickup, which has modern powertrain.
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Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it (Score:2)
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Maybe someone can go back to 1985 and fix that last angular bare steel design...
If only we had a time machi....
Movie magic (Score:2)
It looks like something from a low-budget sci-fi movie where they skinned some cars with silver-painted plywood and throw in zippy sound effects whenever it moves.
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It looks like something from a low-budget sci-fi movie where they skinned some cars with silver-painted plywood and throw in zippy sound effects whenever it moves.
We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese.
Missing option: The what? / Don't give a flying fu (Score:1)
Hype or sanity. Choose one.
If you care enough to even think in terms of fandom, I frankly suggest you get a life.
It's different (Score:1)
I kinda like it... (Score:2)
It looks a little like a Delorean...
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It looks a little like a Delorean...
Styling-wise, it's like the truck version of the Pontiac Aztek
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I've already seen a photo mashup of a Aztek humping a Delorean and the Cybertruck is the result.
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Okay now that's funny!
I have questions regarding it being able to replace a Ford F150 for some of the things people buy a Ford F150 for though.
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For very different reasons though.
The DeLorean was trying to increase durability and simplify manufacturing a little. But the application of the SS only affected the design in a skin deep way.
The main driver for SS on the Cybertruck seems to be to serve as an exoskeleton and allow the frame to be eliminated. If the DeLorean had done that, it truly would have been a leap in technology.
As a nerd, I love the CyberTruck, not for its looks but because it put function completely ahead of aesthetics. Its look is e
I'd actually buy it (Score:1)
This is what Elon Musk doesnâ(TM)t get. (Score:2)
Yes, he is a great smart guy, doing a lot for the environment, but he has this Achilles heel that limits his appeal. I call it Tony Starkism, and it manifests through all his products. It is this implicit idea of being a lone savior, who alone produces value. It limits his products from interoperability, of being used as a platform for other peoples heroic stories. For instance, the pickup who pulls you out of the ditch is your hero, the maker of his winch and top rack or camper is his hero. In rural Americ
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Though at the price point I may buy it...
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What am I missing? You can't put a rack on it? Probably, you can. You can't put a winch on it? Probably, you can. You can't put 10,000w of extra fog lamps on it? You can't jack it up and put gigantic tires on it?
Personally, I would be much more into it if it didn't look like hell. But it's utilitarian enough for me to buy one.
I don't think this is the final product (Score:2)
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It's the perfect truck for people who don't actually need a truck.
Yes, because its actually more of a truck than an F150 in basically every way.
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Well the F150 can legally be registered for on road use. This one isn't street legal without a lot of changes, so the F150 does have that going for it...
(This truck needs mirrors, bumpers, headlights, tail lights, side markers, mud flaps, crumple zones, pedestrian crash ratings, the removal of the top windshield light among other things to be allowed on public roads)
Elon has previously criticized other automakers for showing off outlandish concept cars that will never make it to production, but that's exact
Re: Target demographic (Score:2)
I have my doubts.. people buy like a F250, replace the bed with a utility thing (cant do that with unibody), and I wonder about towing. Not that I don't think the Cybertruck is neat, but I think based on its designs there are some things a 250 or 150 would still be better at.
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Thanks for letting me know. I'll put in an order for one with a flatbed and power take off option.
I like it... (Score:1)
SAfety? (Score:2)
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As I understand it the doors are the least crumple-y parts of the exterior because they're essentially part of the passenger cage, and a sledgehammer has a lot less energy than a car, so I'm not surprised that they could make it hammer resistant. Adding some grooves to the non-visible side of the steel panels in the front and back should allow/cause them to fold up predictably while absorbing impact energy, I would think.
Ordinary Trucks are ugly (Score:3)
They really are. We have just become used to them.
At first I was a bit weary of the angles. But I love the windshield into hood line; great visibility!
I'm not sure it needs to be that high off the ground.
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They really are. We have just become used to them.
Exactly that. WTF are people comparing it with to find it ugly? Pickup trucks are some of the ugliest vehicles (although for me the Hummer is even uglier), while this looks unique and sci-fi (or at least retro sci-fi), which is all good given that looks are not even remotely the most important part for the target usage. I did find it weird the first few seconds looking at it, but I quickly decided on "good" weird. Yeah, lines are fines, I don't assume vehicles have to have curves. I am definitely not going
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:) a future holds where vehicles no longer have to be compromises.
A vehicle that has the efficiencies of a modern aerodynamic car, and the utility of a pickup. That is where this concept can go.
It is similar to the sports car paradigm; the model S is faster than a sports car without any of the negatives like poor fuel, or small cargo capacities.
So many yes inside a huge no (Score:1)
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Why are you convinced that's the wrong market? It's not like they can produce enough to saturate even the "shiny" subset.
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I think the design is exactly the result of targeting the working man. They looked for the best way to meet the performance goals and let the function dictate the look. The look wasn't a choice. It is the result dictated by using an exoskeleton to get the skin to double as frame and cut weight while still retaining tremendous strength. I would rather much rather be driving this through shrubs on a logging road than a normal painted truck with relatively flimsy sides.
The one downside is that the difference b
Let's review the important points... (Score:2)
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A fan? (Score:2)
Am I "a fan?" As in, am I buying merch like tee-shirts and hats, rooting for its success, and following its sales performance on a daily basis?
Hell no.
Seems like you're hyping the thing just asking the question in that way.
It looks like a nice product. I'll wait for first-adopter reviews of TCO, reliability, utility, and bang-for-the-buck. Maybe it will be useful. But I don't care if it succeeds any more than I would care if a new flavor of Pringles succeeds. Electric cars are an inevitable evolution from t
Made fun of it mercilessly - wife put in a deposit (Score:4, Funny)
I spent the next day making fun of it online and in person.
When I got home, I brought it up to my (not-nerd, farm-girl) wife. She said "Oh, yeah, it seems great, I put down a deposit!" /me facepalmed.
Would buy (Score:1)
Surveying the wrong population (Score:2)
Iâ(TM)m pretty sure that the proportion of slashdot readers who are also pickup truck fans is small. The useful survey would just be of current pickup owners
If they crash well, I will buy one (Score:1)
Innovation? Competition? What's not to Love? (Score:2)
I love competition. I love the innovation that it brings. The Cybertruck is a bold innovation in design and cars. Will people love it or hate it? The market will decide. That's a beautiful thing.
Sort of want... (Score:2)
I don't really need a vehicle like that though. My first concern is that it suits my needs and it certainly exceeds my needs, but it also exceeds my budget.
I also want something that doesn't turn heads and this thing certainly will. But after thinking about it for a few days I think it's kind of cool and I'm not buying the argument that you can't easily access the bed right behind the cab because you can't do that on a lot of other pickups either.
Few people need trucks (Score:2)
It's a truck.
I will never understand that love of so many of my new compatriots for trucks. They don't live in the sticks, they don't have to haul big massive objects. They don't need any off road capability for most of them. These things use a massive amount of space on roads which is problematic on cities and for cyclists like yours truly when they brush too close. They guzzle energy at an asinine level. As the fuel price goes up (and it does) these road colossus will be unsustainable.
Look at the yellow v
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You are mostly right. The problem with modern cars that leads to buying a truck is the lack of towing ability. There is no reason my car could not pull a 14 ft fishing boat, but manufacture says no towing allowed. If I graft a hitch on anyway, and the is an accident, then all liability is on me for an unauthorized modification on the vehicle, which also instantly terminated the warranty.
So we see all these four-door trucks. Dopey looking? Check. No room in the bed? Check. Still can legally tow something? Ch
RADAR (Score:2)
Looks it was designed by the same people who designed the new DD's for the navy. Low radar profile.
It would make one hell of a ranch truck (Score:2)
My dad's F-250 is used for hauling cows to the auction a dozen or so times a year, over 30 miles of nasty mountain roads; the rest of the time it mainly drives around our fairly mountainous ranch, hauling gear for redoing fences, towing a hay trailer and generally getting beat to hell by my dad and my brother's casual attitutde toward driving through brush and backing into things.
The CybrTrck looks to me like it would beat out the soon to be retired f250 on every spec. Better or equal hauling, at least in t
It is missing gull wing doors (Score:2)
The truck is so ugly, it is going to sell millions. The truck needs gull wing doors and Mr. Fusion.
Perfectly fine, but... (Score:2)
The appearance is perfectly fine. It will be a conversation piece, and will make you look both tough and progressive. Sure, it's not very practical - but lets be honest: most US pickup trucks are show-off vehicles, and not actually all that useful.
If you want a decent work vehicle, you would be better off either with commercial van [volkswagen...hrzeuge.de] or an actually useful open bed truck [volkswagen...hrzeuge.de]. Neither of those is pretty, but both are a lot more practical than a typical pickup truck [motor1.com].
Holy fuck (Score:2)
I had no idea how many polls there were now. I always voted for Cowboy Neal... But you fuckers are clearly opting in to some targeted advertising. That's more expensive than gen pop and you get nothing out of it.
Remember the YRO subside? Jesus wearing Birkenstocks to a get wedding, you fuckers are weird these days.
You are the product.
I thought it was electric (Score:2)
If this is an Electric vehicle why does it need a fan? Do you mean the fan on the HVAC system? There is certainly no radiator, so no fan there.
Where else is there a fan in an electric vehicle?
I can imagine a variant (Score:2)