China Covers Up Killing Of Prisoners To Continue Harvesting Organs For Transplant: New Report (forbes.com) 204
"Despite repeated denials, China stands accused of a systematic cover-up to hide the continuing practice of forced organ harvesting and murder," reports Forbes' cybersecurity writer Zak Doffman:
The practice, described as "state-run mass murder" and valued at $1 billion each year, has supposedly been outlawed in the country. But a new report, published on November 14 in the BMC Medical Ethics journal, refutes this, accusing China of a "systematic falsification and manipulation of official organ transplant datasets," as the killings continue.
In June, I reported on the China Tribunal in London, which found evidence of "forced organ harvesting" from Chinese prisoners, including Falun Gong practitioners and Uighur Muslims. The Tribunal's final judgment concluded that this "forced organ harvesting has been committed for years throughout China on a significant scale, [and] the tribunal has had no evidence that the significant infrastructure associated with China's transplantation industry has been dismantled..." With China's illegal organ transplant industry said to be worth $1 billion each year, the country is determined to deflect the international outcry that has intensified as details of the organ harvesting have come to light. But this latest report casts doubt over claims of reform, exposing a material delta between the estimated number of transplants and the state's official statistics. In short, a new system of voluntary donations has been operating alongside and not instead of forced extractions.
The giveaway, according to the report, is patterns in the data provided by China which are too neat to be genuine -- they were falsified.
In short, the article claims that China is "artificially manufacturing organ transplant donation data."
In June, I reported on the China Tribunal in London, which found evidence of "forced organ harvesting" from Chinese prisoners, including Falun Gong practitioners and Uighur Muslims. The Tribunal's final judgment concluded that this "forced organ harvesting has been committed for years throughout China on a significant scale, [and] the tribunal has had no evidence that the significant infrastructure associated with China's transplantation industry has been dismantled..." With China's illegal organ transplant industry said to be worth $1 billion each year, the country is determined to deflect the international outcry that has intensified as details of the organ harvesting have come to light. But this latest report casts doubt over claims of reform, exposing a material delta between the estimated number of transplants and the state's official statistics. In short, a new system of voluntary donations has been operating alongside and not instead of forced extractions.
The giveaway, according to the report, is patterns in the data provided by China which are too neat to be genuine -- they were falsified.
In short, the article claims that China is "artificially manufacturing organ transplant donation data."
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The CCP is not communist no matter what they call themselves. They are merely a rather large group of thugs running an organized crime syndicate masquerading as a government. They are paranoid, easily frightened by their own shadows and not particularly bright; it isn't a good combination.
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The CCP is not communist no matter what they call themselves. They are merely a rather large group of thugs
Yeah thats what communism is
Everything you think you know is wrong. (Score:2)
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The CCP is not communist no matter what they call themselves. They are merely a rather large group of thugs
Yeah thats what communism is
Come on. I don't want a communistic economic system but it is definitely an economic system and China doesn't use it. China is fascist.
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And what is a "Democratic People's Republic"?
Ironic.
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Sounds like the US, Canada, UK, Australia, and New Zealand. Not to mention just about any other government you can name. They are all just a bunch of thugs running organized crime syndicates -- dirty old men in participating in a conspiracy sitting around a table of some sort. They just happen to be the criminal organization in charge (COIC, sort of like the HNIC but more PC).
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running an organized crime syndicate masquerading as a government. They are paranoid, easily frightened by their own shadows and not particularly bright; it isn't a good combination.
Now i 'm confused , how did the trump administration get dragged into this discussion?
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*Atheists.
That's the commonality between China of Mao times and now. There is nothing communistic in China.
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Communists have never had any compunction about murdering any number of people for any reason, or no reason at all. They are utterly depraved.
Meanwhile, capitalists are so much more ethical [dilbert.com], of course.
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Name a capitalist country, where the practice is legal and the State is involved in it...
No, you cannot. This kind of horrors requires Collectivism — some Greater Good[TM] of the Society as a Whole[TM] must be considered above the selfish interests of an Individual.
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I'd liken it a bit to Portugal's decriminalization of most hard drugs. It doesn't solve all of the p
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Look at the drivers license where we check off a box "I want my organs to be utilized in the event of my death."
That isn't harvesting against your will. That is the exact opposite of harvesting, that is a checkbox you have to check or not, it is explicitly stating your will.
Taking a donation you willingly donated is so not the same thing as having your organs stolen when you specifically do not want them to be... If you don't grasp that I'm not sure there are words in language available to educate you on just how fucked up your ideas are.
Unless you are passive aggressively trying to imply US hospitals will still har
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Wrong. That doesn't permit the government to have you executed for your organs.
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You do realise that there is a huge economic incentive to reduce a massive overpopulation? Especially given that the actual Chinese population is most likely much higher than the official numbers because nobody really counts how many people are born in the villages.
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Well, in hindsight, looking at India and several african nations, I can't honestly say that Malthus was wrong. The current intensive agriculture is unsustainable. Add the droughts caused by the global warming and the humanity will be in the deep shit rather sooner than later. I consider myself lucky being old enough and sick enough that I will die before the shit really hits the fan.
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There are fewer than two billion people living in developed countries, dumbass. And even amont these poverty still exists.
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There are fewer than two billion people living in developed countries
They are developed because they are capitalist.
The poorest countries are socialist, ex-socialist, or practice tribal collectivism.
And even amont these poverty still exists.
Capitalism is far from perfect. It is just better than the alternatives.
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Capitalism is far from perfect. It is just better than the alternatives.
Better for some, certainly. A very few.
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Generally speaking, the worst countries aren't communist or capitalist. It's those whose citizens 1) don't have a high quality, trusted, secular, public education system, 2) don't have a real choice in who rules them, and 3) do get their primary sources of wealth by mining/extracting them out of the ground.
Honorable metion: Having a government that doesn't serves its citizens first (over its own interests) - including telling its citizens the truth. (This kinda goes hand in hand with #2).
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It's stupid remarks like this that drove me away from social medial.
Capitalism is the greatest wealth and progress generating engine in history. Any economic system that tries harnessing capitalism becomes wealthy. All the others remain mired in poverty. There are no counterexamples.
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Capitalism wasn't "invented", in fact the oldest known writing is a receipt for goods sold in ancient Babylonia, indicating it's at least as old as that, and probably has been a thing since time immemorial. The term capitalism itself was coined as a pejorative by Karl Marx himself, and didn't even appear in the English lexicon until 1888.
Karl Marx argued that communism was "natural", and inevitable as well, only we keep seeing the opposite in nature, i.e. in the absence of a dictator saying otherwise, a cap
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_The Wealth of Nations_ has jack shit to do with capitalism.
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All of Europe isn't the Mediterranean region (aka, MENA), which is the beneficial climate that led to the rise of civilizations. Ever heard of the Fertile Crescent? Not European, buddy. India and China both had civilizations that predate Greece and Rome. Your attempt to pretend that European civilization was somehow inevitably going to be dominant purely because of location is flat out wrong.
And since I am not a slave, I'd much rather be in Haiti than in the Communist hell-hole of Cuba. I could leave H
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The fertile crescent stopped being fertile a long time ago due to unsustainable agriculture (too many mineral salts in the soil thanks to the regular artificial flooding). The whole central and southern Europe has a beneficial climate, not just the Mediterranean.
I get it, you consider everything you don't like communist and the citizens of Cuba slaves, even though actual industrialised slavery was invented by capitalist nations. This only shows that you have no idea what slavery actually is. Go read some ac
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And since I am not a slave, I'd much rather be in Haiti than in the Communist hell-hole of Cuba.
Communism was actually working extremely well for Cuba until the United States decided to make their lives hell. Because you know -communism- and all. We had to "prove" that communism was a failure by hurting Cuba (economically) as much as possible.
If it weren't for that, Cuba would have likely been a shining beacon of what communism could be.
Pro tip: read another book. Learn the definition of communism. Just because evil perverts implementations of communism doesn't mean the form of government is flawed,
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Sigh, you aren't a slave to your job. You can leave. Really, you can. It's not without consequences, but you aren't going to be rounded up by your owners and beaten for your attempt to flee.
Do you mean you have to work to get food and shelter? Why, yes that's true. Tell me when that wasn't true? When was there ever a time everyone was magically given a house and food that required them to not do anything for it? Well?
Sounds like we are slaves to basic needs such as food and shelter.
Go fuck off with your wag
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Ah, yes, make some ad hominem attacks! Declare the poster to get everything they know from some absurd source! That'll really help your argument!
Cuba is Communist. This is not a debatable point to rational people.
What is "industrialized slavery", anyway? American slavery was used for agricultural purposes, well before industrialized farming existed, so I'm not sure what you are referring to. Of course, since you called it "industrialized" anything, it's pretty obvious it had to be invented by "capitali
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I get it, you consider everything you don't like communist and the citizens of Cuba slaves, even though actual industrialised slavery was invented by capitalist nations. This only shows that you have no idea what slavery actually is. Go read some actual history books instead of conservapedia.
Slavery as an institution has existed since antiquity. Trying to blame it on capitalism is inane unless you want to claim that the ancient Babylonians and Egyptians were capitalists.
If your argument that slavery was a more efficiently run (and therefore more brutal) enterprise under capitalism then why don't you believe that it would be more effective in other enterprises as well?
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Not being able to leave a country does not make someone a slave, that's simply not how slavery works, who is the one being 'intellectually dishonest' here really.
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I call it not being able to swim 21 miles, Cuba is also an island.
Slavery is where a capitalist owns another human as property. That's not word games, pretending Cubans are slaves very much needs you to mess around with definitions - IE, word games. Just because you don't like the rules in another country doesn't mean those people are slaves.
If freedom of movement is a human right then why do most countries have border controls, immigration laws and visa requirements? Including US? Is US making everybody ou
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Cuba, like North Korea, was doing great until the Soviet Union collapsed (because communism doesn't work). Then the subsidies dried up and suddenly Cuba had huge problems for some strange reason. A complete coincidence I'm sure.
The US government *should* be opposing communism wherever it rears its ugly head. If Cuba would just admit what we all know is true and implement democracy, they'd be rich. It's a great vacation destination right off the US coast. You know they throw homosexuals in jail there, right
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Do you have some evidence to back that up? It's not disingenuous, I simply too a quick look to see what the current situation is.
Whilst the human rights situation in Cuba certainly looks pretty bad it doesn't mean the majority can't travel.
https://www.hrw.org/world-repo... [hrw.org]
I have not been dishonest what-so-ever, you need to chill.
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Unless things have changed recently Cubans have to marry a foreigner in order to get permission to exit the country.
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So by your logic, developed world is already socialist, and all of the problem that pro-socialism activists assign to capitalism are actually also problems of socialism? So, socialism is even worse than what its worst critics say it is. Not only does it have all of the problems of the actual socialist countries, it also has all of the problems of capitalism if your insane word view was true.
Never thought I'd defend socialism, but for all of its flaws, it's not THAT bad. In fact, problems of socialism tend t
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Free markets and private ownership aren't a panacea to all of life's w
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If you take the former Soviet satellite states and rank them by per capita PPP (GDP at purchasing power parity) you get the following results (based on data from the World Bank [worldbank.org] as compiled on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] using 2017 figures):
Lithuania - 39
Estonia - 40
Latvia - 49
Kazakistan - 51
Russia - 53
Belarus - 65
Turkmenistan - 70
Azerbaijan - 72
Georgia - 101
Armenia - 105
Ukraine - 110
Uzbekistan - 122
Moldova - 131
Kyrgyzstan - 145
Tajikistan - 151
Obviously it's not as simple as just picking any one country and looking at its current policy, or you could just as well conclude the oligopoly in Russia is a superior system based on the rankings alone. You'd probably want to look at changes over time as well as other factors such as geography (there's a clear correlation between PPP and how far north a particular country is, which seems silly but might have valid reasons that aren't immediately obvious) that might influence the results. If you look at Ukraine's GDP over time that graph shows that the 2008 global economic crisis arrested growth as did the 2014 invasion by Russia, though there were similar affects on Belarus due to its proximity.
If Belarus were the best of all the former Soviet satellite states I think you'd have more of a point. Also, you probably don't want to just look at the ranks which can be deceiving. The difference between Lithuania (rank 39) and Belarus (rank 65) is about $15,000 or Lithuania having 77% greater PPP based on the 2018 figures from the World Bank.
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Poverty still exists in "developed" countries? That's the understatement of the century. The USA is by far the world's wealthiest nation, and half of its citizens have negative net worth.
"Zucman and Saez’s latest estimates show that the top 0.1% of taxpayers—about 170,000 families in a country of 330 million people—control 20% of American wealth, the highest share since 1929. The top 1% control 39% of U.S. wealth, and the bottom 90% have only 26%. The bottom half of Americans combined have
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Poverty still exists in "developed" countries? That's the understatement of the century. The USA is by far the world's wealthiest nation, and half of its citizens have negative net worth.
"Zucman and Saez’s latest estimates show that the top 0.1% of taxpayers—about 170,000 families in a country of 330 million people—control 20% of American wealth, the highest share since 1929. The top 1% control 39% of U.S. wealth, and the bottom 90% have only 26%. The bottom half of Americans combined have a negative net worth".
https://www.bloomberg.com/news... [bloomberg.com]
Capitalism at its finest.
Anthropologist have done studies of ancient human culture. A time when people were nomadic and crafted their own tools, built their own structures , and gathered their own food. Small groups of people were responsible for insuring that all of the members of a group were both productive an taken care of. As people aged they would take on less demanding roles , think the wise-man, the craftsman, the village elder. If people grew ill they were taken care of, the young were relied u
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Given that net worth HEAVILY correlates with age, a stupidly large percentage of those 'families' with a negative net worth are idiot college students or graduates taking out/who took out stupidly large loans only made possible by the government underwriting them all. Which is decidedly NOT a capitalist action. Another large percentage being single parent households, a trend which is driven primarily by the Drug War and mass incarceration. Also something that occurs because of interference in capitalism. So
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Given China is a highly developed country with its own space industry, nuclear capable, a manufacturing base for much of the world and has several hundred million middle class people living in it, we get two thirds of your two billion people from just one country. Shit, add in the EU and we don't even need North America to make up the numbers.
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It's like you are blind and can not see, right in the title "valued at $1 billion each year", see the Government of China is not communist, it is definitely a mix of capitalism and government, technically a fascist government, CAPITALISM right in the bloody title and you are blind to it, yeah those organ transplants all about who can afford to buy those organs and who can not afford to keep them.
Genetic testing in capitalist environments, how long will you be able to live as a poor person, when a rich perso
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Some generalizations are worse than others.
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What could come next? Businesses? Countries?, People? If I recall my history, things like this have been done before and it did not end well.
Just my 2 cents
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"EU has recently started labeling Jewish made products""
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"EU has recently started labeling Jewish made products"
For an "oldgraybeard", you should have a better bullsh*t detector.
The EU labels products made in Israeli settlements that are illegal under international law. That is not at all the same thing as labeling something "Jewish".
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Lobbing rockets is a very reasonable response to ethnic cleansing.
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Ethnic cleansing as a response to ethnic cleansing. A real estate dispute and a race war both and you are cheering for one side over the other. Neither side are angels. It is really more an issue of which side you like better: the muslims or the jews.
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It's also illegal to lob rockets into Israel that leave 50 meter craters but I don't see the EU calling that out.
That's what's called observer bias.
Here's EU's official statement:
https://eeas.europa.eu/headqua... [europa.eu]
Here's some news on it:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel... [haaretz.com]
https://www.timesofisrael.com/... [timesofisrael.com]
https://www.neweurope.eu/artic... [neweurope.eu]
Or even on stories not about EU condemnation that still mentioned EU's condemnation:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world... [bbc.com] - last sentence.
Or possibly individual EU member nation stances like this official release from France:
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr... [diplomatie.gouv.fr]
Or this new cast from Germany:
https:/ [reuters.com]
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Well at least you out yourself as a jew hater. I respect the honesty in that.
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...or the still-not-secular-but-obviously-not-nearly-as-crazy Israeli 'Politico-Military Machine' with its sats, nukes and F-35's...
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They didn't just lob rockets at "illegal Israeli settlements". Some of those rockets went pretty deep into southern Israel. Earlier this year, the Palestinians managed to get one into Tel Aviv.
Of course, depending on whom you ask, they may consider all of Israel to be an illegal settlement.
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And what about all the jews in NYC. What shall we do about them? Do you have a solution to the whole jewish question?
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No, they blow themselves up:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]â"Palestinian_conflict
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It is a war. It sucks but people die in wars. Just like Israeli children who get blown up or burn to death from palestinian missiles and suicide bombers.
It is not like Israelis wake up every morning twirling their handlebar mustaches, rubbing their hands together, and making a new plan to kill Palestinian children. They are either accidental deaths or isolated murders which happen in every country. If you want to prove that Israelis are evil try harder, AC.
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I have noted that a lot of Israeli haters are also jew haters, but no the two are not necessarily related. I guess it's just a coincidence that there is a lot of overlap. Israel seems to get criticized a lot more than other countries with border disputes who do almost exactly the same sorts of things.
It is unfortunate that such overlap exists and may interfere with some valid criticism of the way Israel may mistreat Palestinians. Not giving them back their land is not part of that mistreatment though and th
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The main st believable lies have a grain of truth in them.
Here is what actually happens:
https://www.theguardian.com/wo... [theguardian.com]
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Without checking whether you're right about Falun Gong, or indeed commenting on the extent to which the claimed viewpoint should be supported, just what the fuck does that have to do with harvesting organs?
You're an objectionable shit yourself and I still wouldn't support turning you into spare body parts.
Let's do business with this country: (Score:2)
I'd like to see the donation paperwork (Score:2)
Personal statement: "Sure, I'll happily donate my heart, liver, and stomach! It's the least I can do after I egregiously injured the glorious Chinese state (may Xi Jinping live forever) by forcibly continuing to practice my abhorrent religious beliefs!"
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Why can't everyone be as reasonable as you? What a loyal and devoted citizen.
This leaves out the whole discussion... (Score:2)
On Soylent Muslims.
You think they aren't using them for food?
Who would know?
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Right now they just force them to make clothing.
But we must keep trading with them ... (Score:2)
There is no alternative.
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comeing soon to Hong Kong! (Score:3)
comeing soon to Hong Kong!
Blockchain to the rescue (Score:2)
What we need is a new international blockchain based standard for the record keeping of organ donors, receivers, their medical histories, and their preferences. Once the new standard is implemented, the blockchain will eliminate the unethical practices while keeping everyone's medical records private and anonymous.
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I remember a few years ago one of their high speed trains crashed REALLY badly. Tons of people died. Something failed mechanically, probably
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Where can you buy these organs? (Score:2)
Asking for a friend.
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Just how far off the mark are they..? Whole lotta stuff about China in there... qmap.pub
It's normal (Score:2)
Party leaders are old, they need the organs.
So they're a bunch of organleggers like Larry Niven predicted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
I guess the worm has turned (Score:2)
Back in the day a few prison governors in China did this. They were pretty much executed for it. Now itâ(TM)s apparently Chinese public policy.
I would be fine with it (Score:2)
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And this is why we have guns in the US (Score:3)
Shit like this just wouldn't fly in the US.
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Welcome to the war doctrine of the 18th Century.
Up here in the 21st Century, NOBODY stands across a field and trades volleys anymore.
As such asymmetric/guerilla warfare is the preferred method.
And you don't go against the police forces or the military.
You go after the politicians pushing these types of policies.
Can they be safeguarded against a single Jack Ruby style gunman? Or a single sniper?
More or less.
Can they be safeguarded against HUNDREDS?
Without effectively imprisoning them for the remainder of th
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The time when average citizens stood a chance against an armed force when said force were the British. Anything since then is fairly delusional. Just ask the Ammon Bundy how his thing went.
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