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Comment Re:Well... (Score 1) 609

Eugenics still happens.

Hospital staff (i.e. doctors) routinely pressure parents of foetuses with non-lethal (i.e. conducive to life) genetic conditions into aborting those foetuses, thereby removing babies with what they consider undesirable traits from the gene pool.

(note: this is not an anti-abortion post)

Comment Re: Generators (Score 1) 637

I use modified nonsense rhyme composed by myself, combined with numerals, capitalisations, and symbols.

Sometimes they're based on a phrase in English to make it easier to memorise.

Using this method it's fairly easy to remember very long passwords with words mostly not in the dictionary (and that are unique to whomever compose them).

A less secure one: ThellowImWemmo

A more secure one: 7sKrickledefaNg.ate*plipples


Comment Re: This will be fun (Score 1) 584


"transsexualism is now known to have a physical cause".

I provided the DSM 5 definition. Please stop trying to subvert it.

"Also, you;re linking to outdated info."

I provided information from the DSM 5. This is not preliminary information and it is most certainly not outdated. The information you found is a proposal for the DSM 5. You'll note that your link refers to it as the now deprecated Gender Identity Disorder (that's how old it is).

Along those lines, how is newer information (the DSM 5 was published in 2013) outdated compared to the information you've provided (the last edit on that website was 2012, but I believe those proposals were floated around 2010)?

Here's the DSM 5 text if you can view it: http://dx.doi.org/10.1176/appi...

Go search for a "we propose" line, you won't find it.

I have university access to the DSM. I quoted the information directly as a courtesy.

Doctors, psychologists, and psychiaratrists use the DSM. They also use the SOC. Additionally they will use published peer reviewed journals. You switching to a new source of information is misdirection to save face. Why? Read on.

Lets go back a bit shall we... "You seem to believe that transsexualism is a mental disorder. The American Psychiatric Association says otherwise"

That's you quoting the APA as the basis for your argument. Your whole argument was based on the APA. Now you're saying "Physicians, even in the US, follow WPATH recommendations, not the APA, which was a late-comer to the process" Lol. Please.

By the way I have the SOC 7 right here. It's published in 2011, 2 years before the much newer DSM 5.

"WPATH recognizes that there is a difference between gender-non-conforming individuals and those with gender dysphoria.

And? Red-herring, you're redirecting away from your original point so you don't have to address it.

"As I said, try to keep up. :-)"

You're getting pretty boring. I doubt I'll engage in further conversation.

Comment Re: This will be fun (Score 1) 584

"Try to keep up, mkay?"

Keep up with what? All I've done is listed someone else's research. I haven't said it's wrong. I haven't said it's right. You've made poor assumptions. Keep your words in mind while reading on.

Your assertions don't match up with the DSM 5.

In case you can't get to it here is a fact sheet.


The American Psychiatric Association say that GID was specifically renamed to Gender Dysphoria to remove stigma.

You wrote "Gender dysphoria, on the other hand, allows for (and pretty much mandates) that transsexualism has a physical origin, and that the RESULT is gender dysphoria "

The DSM 5 defines transsexualism quite simply: "Transsexual denotes an individual who seeks, or has undergone, a social transition from male to female or female to male, which in many, but not all, cases also involves a somatic transition by cross-sex hormone treatment and genital surgery (sex reassignment surgery)."

This does not match your definition. Transsexualism quite specifically does not need "a somatic transition by cross-sex hormone treatment and genital surgery (sex reassignment surgery)."

You wrote "gender dysphoria - a distress about the mismatch of perceived and physical genders".

I believe you mean perceived gender and physical sex.

The DSM 5 has 6 diagnostic criteria for adults for gender dysphoria of which the patient must have at least 2 criteria present:

"1. A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics).

2. A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics).

3. A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender.

4. A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender).

5. A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender).

6. A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)."

You are half way there. The last three criteria do not require any rejection or desire of sexual characteristics.

In children you're quite off the mark, with 8 criteria, of which the child must have 6. Of the 8 criteria, there are 6 which don't refer to sexual characteristics, and 2 that do refer to sexual characteristics.

You wrote "same as you would have if you woke up tomorrow and some naughty bits were missing".

More assumptions. Sigh.

Comment Re: This will be fun (Score 1) 584

By free speech one can claim another is anything they like, as long as it doesn't cross the hate-speech line or incite violence against anyone. This is a right we all have.

As the saying goes, "my free speech doesn't end when you're offended".

Not all of us are "still trying to figure out gender fluidity".

Comment Re: This will be fun (Score 1) 584

You ask "Where's the restriction on "freedom of speech" here?"

Right here when you wrote: "it should be illegal to ask."

I'm not just sidestepping your previous points on gender, I don't care to address them in any way.

I wanted to raise the point that you want to restrict free speech by making it illegal to ask certain questions.

This is a matter of free speech when you want to restrict it.

Comment Re: This will be fun (Score 1) 584

You promote restrictions on freedom of speech "in the name of liberty". Lol. Nice one.

Don't conflate the demand for "papers, please", which has a particular historical meaning, with what you suggested - that "it should be illegal to ask" someone's sex or gender.

Citizens have a right to free speech, of which asking questions (in the USA at least) are a protected form of free speech. You also have a right to silence in America. So if you'd like to retain you "personal privacy" you don't have to answer the question.

Comment Re:Not just a bathroom law (Score 1) 1095

"But who the hell cares?". I don't, but some people do. I believe most people wouldn't most of the time. I care who goes into the female toilets. I would like to reduce contact between rogue men and females trying to go about their business. Along those lines, one of the main arguments I've heard isn't against transgender people. It's the potential for sexual predators to abuse any breaking of the old customs to be able to get into nominally female toilets without being challenged.

"As for surgical transgender persons -- how they hell is anybody going to ever tell?". They won't be able to. They get a free pass since nobody will know better. If they get caught out (e.g. squealed on by someone who knows them) then they'll have to take the penalty. The more difficult thing will be if they are a convincing transsexual transgender (yes, it's both), then going into their genetic sex bathroom will require a confrontation with people thinking they are the opposite sex every time they go to the toilet. Cue the additional unisex bathrooms I alluded to above that we have here in Australia.

"It is a medical fact that some observable degree of intersexuality occurs". Somewhere else in the thread I've put up the numbers with a link to some detailed American statistics.

"If anything, transgender persons and gay persons deserve the compassion and sympathy of the "normals" of the world." Yes they do, as I suggested elsewhere in the thread, they deserve to be helped. But not at the expense of a much larger demographic. The solution must encompass upholding our old customs and facilitating those who don't fit into that. Clearly male/female/unisex toilets are the way forward. This can be achieved by modifying existing toilet installations.

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