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Ecuador Hands Over Julian Assange's Belongings To US (bbc.com) 227

Slashdot reader Joce640k shares a report from the BBC: Ecuador has begun giving the U.S. some of WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange's possessions left behind following his stay in its London embassy. The material includes manuscripts, legal papers, medical records and electronic equipment. Mr Assange's lawyer said the move was "completely unprecedented in the history of asylum." "Ecuador is committing a flagrant violation of the most basic norms of the institution of asylum by handing over all the asylee's personal belongings indiscriminately to the country that he was being protected from," added lawyer Aitor Martinez. WikiLeaks' Editor-in-Chief, Kristinn Hrafnsson, said that there was "no doubt" that Ecuador had "tampered" with the belongings it had sent to the U.S.
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Ecuador Hands Over Julian Assange's Belongings To US

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  • Oh the irony (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:38PM (#58627092)

    turns out he doesn't like it when his belongings are given to others.

    • But why would the US even want his personal belongings? Seems kind of creepy for the US even to request them. It would seem to make more sense to send them to Australia. He isn't American. He's Australian.

  • Poor cat (Score:4, Funny)

    by sinij ( 911942 ) on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:48PM (#58627148)
    Assange's cat is sadly on the direct flight to Guantanamo. They are going to waterboard the feline.
  • I guess the White House is large enough for a decent halfpipe...
  • Don't they already have Seth Rich's email address?

  • I could understand his complaints if Ecuador was extending asylum to him. However, Ecuador had withdrawn their asylum.
    I wonder if he regrets acting like an entitled child and rivaling history's best asshats?

    • I wonder if he regrets acting like an entitled child and riling history's best asshats?

      Your spelling corrected.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      you cannot withdraw asylum.

      what the Ecuadorian president has done is illegal.

      i am amazed at just how little people understand that there is no legal basis for any of his treatment from start to finish - except perhaps breach of bail, for a situation he was never charged for, and that the UK have said they would never accept in future. He should never have been on house arrest in the first place.

      then again, a good portion of posters on here are going to be government employees here to shitpost bullshit and m

      • you cannot withdraw asylum.
        what the Ecuadorian president has done is illegal.

        So you're an expert on Ecuadorian law? Ok then, show me where this violates Ecuador's legal code.

        As for the "article," Assange wasn't hiding from the US, he was hiding from the Brits and the Swedes.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          it's international law, not Ecuadorian law.

          if you think he was hiding from the swedes (who let him leave their country, then immediately put out an illegal european arrest warrant) and the english (who are nothing more than the country he happened to be in when the illegal EAW was issued) then you are completely uninformed.

          The ONLY issue stopping his return to Sweden was the promise he would not be extradited to the U.S illegally - which they actually did to some other people.

          Please - get informed, and not

          • it's international law

            No its not. Asylum can be revoked for numerous reasons, one common reason is committing a crime that can be punished by a prison sentence. Assange is reported by Ecuador as having hacked their embassy computers as a guest. That seems to reach the required threshold. There may be other criminal acts as well. Again, this is just one area where revocations can be issued.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Uberbah ( 647458 )

          As for the "article," Assange wasn't hiding from the US, he was hiding from the Brits and the Swedes.

          Oh, so you are a stupid and gullible person. Assange always offered to return to Sweden as long as they promised not to hand him over to the United States. Sweden always refused to do so, which means the entire plan was to get him into US custody the entire time.

          Even if you think Assange was lying, such a promise would have meant Ecuador would no longer have a reason to grant him asylum and he would have en

          • by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite ( 721679 ) on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @01:58AM (#58628114)

            And don't give me the bullshit that Sweden couldn't make such a guarantee when Sweden is a signatory to the UN Convention Against Torture, which forbids extraditing prisoners to regimes that practice torture.

            Link to a statement from the swedish public prosecution authority (don't worry, it's in english).
            https://www.aklagare.se/en/new... [aklagare.se]

            In short: sweden is ruled by law, so until a specific extradition request is made no one has the authority to make a deal. If Assange is extradited from the uk to sweden, any additional extradition requests would be handled in the uk not in sweden.

            • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

              Link to a statement from the swedish public prosecution authority (don't worry, it's in english).

              Repeating the same baseless tautology doesn't make it true.

              In short: sweden is ruled by law, so until a specific extradition request is made no one has the authority to make a deal.

              Which is in short, insulting to the intelligence of the listener. Sweden has both helped the CIA with their torture program [hrw.org] and gone to great lengths to have suspects arrested in non extradition countries and, as soon as they are in

          • Oh, so you are a stupid and gullible person. Assange always offered to return to Sweden as long as they promised not to hand him over to the United States. Sweden always refused to do so, which means the entire plan was to get him into US custody the entire time.

            If you ask a country , any country, not to extradite you to some place, when there hasn't even been an extradition request, any country will tell you to bugger off. He's accused of rape. He has no right to demand any conditions to face charges.

            • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

              If you ask a country , any country, not to extradite you to some place, when there hasn't even been an extradition request, any country will tell you to bugger off. He's accused of rape. He has no right to demand any conditions to face charges.

              When that country has a history of giving people to the CIA to be tortured [hrw.org] and going to great lengths to arrest someone in a non-extradition country and then interrogate them for weeks on end with no lawyer or outside contact for an unrelated crime in an unrelated cou

          • This was always about getting Assange into the hands of the United States.

            It was always about destroying Assange and Wikileaks. I am not so sure whether the US were going to pull in Assange if they got the chance, at the time when Assange sought refuge in the embassy. He was in danger but what exactly was going to happen, I'm not sure it was in any way fixed. See for instance what Fred Burton of Stratfor said in a leaked mail in 2010: https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/... [wikileaks.org]

            One other point is this. Ferreting out

          • by radarskiy ( 2874255 ) on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @08:17AM (#58629110)

            "the entire plan was to get him into US custody the entire time."

            After all these years, none the conspiracy nuts can put together a coherent explanation of why it would be easier to extradite from the UK to Sweden and then extradite from Sweden to the US rather than extradite from the UK directly to the US.

            Very occasionally someone will try to claim that not being charged with a crime in the UK is some sort of obstacle to extradition to the US, but they never account for a) that doesn't seem to be an obstacle to extradition to Sweden in their theory and b) that's not a requirement for extradition anyway.

            • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

              After all these years, none the conspiracy nuts can put together a coherent explanation of why it would be easier to extradite from the UK to Sweden and then extradite from Sweden to the US rather than extradite from the UK directly to the US.

              After all these years you and the other Assange haters are the conspiracy theorist whackjobs, continuing to pretend that getting Assange into US custody wasn't the plan the entire time. Even Russia Madcow has pulled her head out of her butt on this as the US is threate

          • by Megol ( 3135005 ) on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @10:14AM (#58629682)

            You don't know Swedish law. Assange didn't offer to return to Sweden however he gave his word to return to Sweden to be questioned if requested. He didn't do that when the request came so instead Sweden asked the UK to extradite him, the UK legal system then looked at it and Assange suddenly realized he was in trouble.
            Requesting asylum to avoid being charged for sexual assault and/or rape wouldn't look good so a story about the whole thing being a charade to be extradited to the US was concocted, completely ridiculous for someone with a brain and the ability to search for facts.

            If the USA wanted to extradite Assange via Sweden they could have done it before, at the time of the alleged rape. It was known that he would be there, he didn't hide his presence in any way or form.

            It is easier for the US to extradite him from their very close partner the UK. Look it up.

            If the USA wanted to extradite Assange from the UK they could have done it after he arrived there after visiting Sweden. Again his presence was known.

            Not understanding the Swedish law (as noted above) in that the thing requested isn't possible to give before the fact. This is because a case (even extradition case) have to be decided from the facts presented at the time they are presented. Nobody can legally provide any such guarantee, simple as that.

            • As with another poster, the conspiracy theories about extradition to Sweden to get to the US never made any sense to me. The UK extradition treaty with the US is much more favorable to the US than the Swedish one and always was.

              As we see directly at this point, the US wants him before he's sent to Sweden. Which directly proves the conspiracy theorists were full of shit.

              • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

                As with another poster, the conspiracy theories about extradition to Sweden to get to the US never made any sense to me.

                Ignorance is neat that way. The UK didn't have a pretext to arrest Assange - Sweden does.

                The UK extradition treaty with the US is much more favorable to the US than the Swedish one and always was.

                Always ignoring the fact Sweden turned prisoners over to the CIA [hrw.org] to be tortured and went to great lengths to arrest [theguardian.com] a suspect in another country and then, when in Swedish custody, promptly interr

            • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

              You don't know Swedish law.

              More than you.

              Assange didn't offer to return to Sweden

              Sure he did [thelocal.se] as long as they would promise not to hand him over the US. Sweden has always refused to do so. Which tells anyone not waiting breathlessly for Saddam's WMD's to turn up that this was never about an alleged rape. Yes, that link repeats the canard that Sweden can't make a statement based on the facts at hand or be bothered to uphold international treaties it has signed.

              the UK legal system then looked at it and Assang

          • Oh, so you are a stupid and gullible person.

            Your post makes some good points, but you weaken it by opening with an ad hominem attack. Reread you post without that sentence and I think you'll agree it reads better.

            • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

              Your post makes some good points, but you weaken it by opening with an ad hominem attack.

              Not really. For one, it's not an insult when it's true. Anyone buying the second rate propaganda on Syria, Venezuela, Assange, Wikileaks, Russia etc etc is objectively both stupid and gullible as they learned nothing from the lies told about Iraq. For another, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. But you can make them more reticent to promote their cult in public due to fear

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    • by Calydor ( 739835 )

      Because even if they could withdraw asylum (and I am pretty sure the international conventions regarding asylum say you can't once it's granted unless the primary cause of granting it changes, eg. regime change in the country you ran away from) they have now chosen to steal his personal belongings, including things like medical records, and giving them away to a (not so) random third party.

      Look at it like this. A friend of yours asks you to let one of their friends crash on your couch for a while, just unti

  • Did Assange make an effort to return his hosts' favor by making himself useful while at the embassy? He could have lent his skills to advising on Ecuadorian communications and Internet access, or even just being the IT guy for the embassy itself. What "series of disputes" with embassy staff alluded to in his bio caused them to make the unusual step of siccing the local police on him?

    • by technosaurus ( 1704630 ) on Monday May 20, 2019 @11:46PM (#58627732)
      Billions of dollars in US "aid" just days before. No other reason needed.
      • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:45AM (#58628600)

        Oh please. Stop looking for conspiracies where there are none. Ecuador went through elections in 2017 and since the change in government there has been an endless string of threats to revoke his asylum, cut him off from the outside, and general disagreement with Assange. You don't need any external help when you buy a new house that comes with an incumbent roommate who you don't get along with.

        His days were numbered as of 19th Feb 2017.

        • He posted information that embarrassed the new president of Ecuador within days of him taking office. What surprises me is that anyone thought they wouldn't kick him out after that.

    • And that's after Ecuador cut off his internet access for bullshit reasons, cutting off Assange's interactions with the outside world. Would you be interested in buying some oceanfront property in Kansas? If you could send me a copy of your SSN and birth certificate I could cut you in on a sweetheart deal...

    • Acting like an asshole does not mean suddenly laws and custom can be ignored.
    • by DrXym ( 126579 )
      Previous reports suggest he lost his internet access because he was abusing his network privileges and even hacking the network to spy on his hosts. So I'm sure Ecuador would "politely" decline any offer for his help. In fact I'm sure they were very happy to see the asshole get dragged away by the cops and reclaim their own space and normality.
  • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Monday May 20, 2019 @11:24PM (#58627638) Journal
    Hopefully he used full-disk encryption and a strong password.
    • by DrXym ( 126579 )
      Hopefully for his sake if for nobody else's. In reality though, the chances are the US / UK / Ecuador and god knows who else have been spying on him for years - his private conversations, his network usage, his meetings with couriers / cutouts. He's been stuck in the same place for 7 years so his devices could have been compromised for a long time and/or he could have gotten sloppy. I wouldn't be surprised if they learned more about him while he was in that embassy than while he as a free agent.
  • by anonieuweling ( 536832 ) on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @12:48AM (#58627930)
    The pervasive imperialism is still not clear to people....
    It has to fall before this Assange stiff can end.

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