The optical mice last much longer than the old roller-ball mice
I've had to use a mechanical mouse again, last time I used one was about 7 years ago. Geez. These things suck! I have to clean the contact rollers every day of the lint, skin oil, yuck, wut? and whatever else the ball picks up and sticks to those things. How did we ever suffer through those days, before optical or tablets?
Yes, they were atrocious. I often found myself cleaning *other peoples' mice* just to be able to use them. Ewww!!
Years back I'd often go to someone's desk to try to show them something or change a system setting and found their mouse was all bockety. A twist of the bottom plate and a few seconds scraping big chunks of gross stuff out and they couldn't believe how wonderful the mouse worked, never mind what I was sent over to sort out or demonstrate for them.
Rollers also work better when you are using the mouse on a highly reflective surface.
I actually still have my old Microsoft mouse from the 1990s. I have it on a server now, which doesn't have a gui installed, but it's there if I need it for something. I haven't checked the ball in a while, but I mostly remote that server anyway.
I thought it was insane to drop $100 on a mouse... until I tried a friend's Logitech MX for a day. Then I bought one. Figured it would last; my last Logitech mouse was still working after 12 years.
I mostly use trackballs, but even still, the longevity has been good. I use a Kensington Expert Mouse Pro (the one with the cueball-sized ball, four regular buttons and a smattering of other buttons at the top that I don't use) and it's been great for more than a decade. I use a Kensington Orbit Optical at work, and other than wearing through the paint on the plastic it's been good for more than eight years, though I still have to occasionally clean the glides that the ball slides on.
The Anykeys that I used back in the day were prone to spontaneously jumping into programming mode while you were typing, leading to somewhat random keyboard mappings. I did stick with a Dell 101 until I got a desktop machine with no PS2 ports. I've got a Lenovo one now that's passable, but not great.
The mouse lasting isn't the problem, it's the drivers. A few tweaks to a driver and your wonderful mouse now sucks. Logitech updated their drivers and my wonderful Logitech mx518 went from hero to zero. It would speed up when it wanted to, slow down went it wanted to, etc. Bought another mx518 and the same thing. Finally gave in and bought a $100 g700s. Hope they don't go screwing with the drivers again in 5 years
Unless you need 16 programmable buttons on your mouse, generic Windows 'oh look, a mouse!' drivers work perfectly well with Logitech mice. Or indeed, as you've noticed, rather better than Logitech's.
I love Logitech mice. I hate Logitech mouse drivers. I find the mice are magnificent if I just plug them in and let them work.
The optical mice last much longer than the old roller-ball mice
I've had to use a mechanical mouse again, last time I used one was about 7 years ago. Geez. These things suck! I have to clean the contact rollers every day of the lint, skin oil, yuck, wut? and whatever else the ball picks up and sticks to those things. How did we ever suffer through those days, before optical or tablets?
Try using one for very long when you have a cat. You left "cat hair" out of your list so I'm guessing you don't have a cat. Semmantically kind of funny when a mouse chokes on a cat hair ball.
I used to have one that detected the motion of the ball by shining a light down the a cylinder that the ball rolled. This made it very accurate, but it had the down side that in bright sunlight enough light got through the white plastic to permanently trigger the sensor, so it never saw an occlusion and thought that the ball was stationary. A nocturnal mouse.
I actually had an optical mouse die. The left button micro-switch started failing so a click of the button didn't always translate into a button event. Really annoying when it first started to go because I was always wondering if I had just "missed" whatever I was attempting to click. Finally started seeing some really obvious things.
I bought a Logitech mouse/keyboard package in 2002. The thing lasted, without any issues, for 10 years. Loved it. Wound up replacing the mouse with another Logitech mouse, not six months in the middle button started failing. Sounds like this isn't an isolated incident and that Logitech isn't making mice like they used to. Shame.
There are NO optical switches but there were lots of HALL switches in 1980-s years mainframe computers. I don't throw them away. Unfortunately, they need about 3-4 millimeters displacement to work and they don't click. The mechanical switches are easily replaceable; I keep boxes of dead mice for repairs.
The original OEM mice for Amiga were TERRIBLE though, although it wasn't the ball / roller tech which was equivalent to other mice at the time.
They were boxy and uncomfortable, but the buttons were the worst bit - they used leaf switches, not microswitches, and they'd wear out with relatively little use. I remember dismantling the mouse and inserting pieces of cereal box to try and eke more life out of them. I was so glad when I changed to a new mouse with microswitch buttons.
I use laptop with touchpad. What is this "mouse" of which you speak?
I found the touchpad to be too annoyingly oversensitive, so I prefer to use a good old wireless Logitech Trackman Marble T-RA18 with mine. I was surprised at how quickly I took to using a trackball.
On my gaming rig though, I am rather fond of my Logitech G300, and really should shop around for a spare just in case this one ever bites the dust...spaaaaaace cadet...
I have my tablet hooked up to my 6 core/32GB DDR3 RAM system with 6 TB RAID V and 250GB SSD boot drive. Works so much nicer than a mouse. I hate going back to mice.
I look forward to the day I can just pick things out with my brainwaves. Those neurohelmets, of which much is written, where are they?
I have my tablet hooked up to my 6 core/32GB DDR3 RAM system with 6 TB RAID V and 250GB SSD boot drive. Works so much nicer than a mouse. I hate going back to mice.
I presume this is supposed to mean you use the tablet as an input device, which leads me to ask a couple questions:
1) What software do you use on the tablet for this interface?
2) How well does that work with drawing programs? Would you say it's better than a Wacom tablet, or not as good?
I have my tablet hooked up to my 6 core/32GB DDR3 RAM system with 6 TB RAID V and 250GB SSD boot drive. Works so much nicer than a mouse. I hate going back to mice.
I presume this is supposed to mean you use the tablet as an input device, which leads me to ask a couple questions:
1) What software do you use on the tablet for this interface?
2) How well does that work with drawing programs? Would you say it's better than a Wacom tablet, or not as good?
Thanks in advance.
It' is a Wacom tablet. And it beats fooling around with meeses.
Neurohelmets? About 7 years ago I got a specimen of 4-channel 24-bit ADC suitable for making a neurohelmet. And now there is a technology to process brainwaves. But brain input is still too slow to be useful except for some niche applications.
This memo [snopes.com] was supposedly from IBM on how to replace and clean mouse balls. It is not clear whether it was serious or in jest.
Mouse balls are now available as FRU. Therefore, if a mouse fails to operate or should it perform erratically, it may need a ball replacement. Because of the delicate nature of this procedure, replacement of mouse balls should only be attempted by properly trained personnel.
Before proceeding, determine the type of mouse balls by examining the underside of the mouse. Domestic balls will be larger and harder than foreign balls. Ball removal procedures differ depending upon manufacturer of the mouse. Foreign balls can be replaced using the pop-off method. Domestic balls are replaced using the twist-off method. Mouse balls are not usually static sensitive. However, excessive handling can result in sudden discharge. Upon completion of ball replacement, the mouse may be used immediately.
It is recommended that each replacer have a pair of spare balls for maintaining optimum customer satisfaction, and that any customer missing his balls should suspect local personnel of removing these necessary items.
I'd say legitimate memo, written by someone with a sense of humor.
Legitimate because domestically and foreign-produced ball mice did have distinct differences in how the ball was made, and what it was made of. Used to frustrate the hell out of me as a kid trying to swap enough parts from three broken mice to make one that works.
Someone with a sense of humor because... well, the obvious.
[i]It is recommended that each replacer have a pair of spare balls for maintaining optimum customer satisfaction, and that any customer missing his balls should suspect local personnel of removing these necessary items.[/i]
So what the memo is saying is, women shouldn't service mice, because they don't have the balls for it.
I've been using the TrackPoint as my primary pointing device on Dell Laptops or ThinkPads for over ten years, so my mice don't get a lot of use. I use synergy [synergy-foss.org], so I can control my desktop and laptop using just the laptop keyboard.
But, I still have a couple of working keyboards that are over twenty years old, and mice that are nearly twenty years old.
I've never bought or connected a mouse to any computer I've owned. I've always used trackballs (not trackpads, TYVM) and find them far, far more reliable than any mouse I've ever used at work.
I feel the same about my Cordless Optical Trackman. It's finally starting to act up after many, many years and I found out there's no replacement for it. Not only that, all the other trackballs I've seen suck. I don't know what I'm going to do when it stops working - maybe get a touch screen? [/sarcasm] It's better than using a mouse.
I've always wondered why they made it cordless when it doesn't move...
+1 for the clit. I first learned to work the clit when I bought a Toshiba Satellite Pro 2400CT back in '94 that had a green clit. I totally fell in love with the clit as it allowed me to mouse around without the need for a hand to leave the keyboard, which I'd think a great deal of touch-typists would appreciate. I loved it so much I went out and bought an IBM keyboard with a nice red clit that cost me over a $100; which back then was 1/3 of a month's rent. Since then every Intel PC keyboard that has been a
I've been using Kensington trackballs since the early '90s. I actually prefer the old mechanical Turbo Mouse line over the current optical Expert Mouse design. The Turbo's large stainless steel rollers didn't collect nearly as much gunk as the little plastic beads in the Expert Mouse.
I just replaced a 5+ year old Apple Mighty Mouse - the first Apple mouse I've ever worn out (bluetooth was getting flakey). On the other hand, the mice that I get with my work PC laptops have generally lasted months, not years. Dell mice are utter crap.
I've been using the same mouse for the past 5 years, when I replaced the Logitech 3-button mouse that I purchased in 1994. So, that's 2 mice in 20 years. And that old mouse was doing just fine, but I needed something that was USB, and the switch to an optical mouse was a nice upgrade. However, I'm starting to think about going wireless on the mouse and keyboard. Not sure if that will work well with my KVM switch.
I've never had any trouble with the Dell mice that I've used at work but then again I never had to use any one of them for more than a few years before getting replacement during a tech refresh. That said I don't care for the ergonomics of them at all.
My favorite mouse of all time was some old model of microsoft intelli mice they made back in 2002 or so. I used the same mouse for six years straight with no problems at all. It had a very nice feel in the hand and was light weight. I had to leave it when I en
Ahem. Trackball. No need to look down to see where the mouse has gotten to on my desk. Big fat ball that's always where I expected. Like all the balls in my life.
It would almost be easier for me to list the ones that have broken then put a lifespan to them.
Ever since I have moved to optical USB mice, of the dozens that I have used at home or work, only 3 no longer work. Ironically 2 of those were "high end" mice. The budget Microsoft and Logitech mice seem to last forever. I only just replaced the original Microsoft optical wheel mouse my grandmother had after ~10 years of use after a button broke. My other ones of that era are still going fine.
The only mouse I have ever worn out is an Amiga mouse. This was in 1999-ish, on an Amiga dating back to about 1990. The left button microswitch wore out, it still pointed fine.
Strewth. The only mouse I can remember having that died was an early Logitech USB optical mouse from around '01. It'd been my mouse until ~'08 and then my wife's until just a few months ago, when one of the button actuators finally got clogged up with something and quit. I might have been able to fix it (and maybe even put it back together again), but mice are so cheap that it wasn't worth it.
My crappy mice that I use at work tend to last about two years, but I am sure I will have my Logic Tech Performance MX with Dark Field technology for a while (At least I better at the price I paid)
I still have an old ball-mouse that's coming up on 22 years and still working. It was built to last. The Logitech optical mice I use these days usually fail after a year or two; they are obviously and intentionally made as consumption items so the manufacturer can get a steady income.
My old Logitech MX500 mouse pointer was ONLY retired because the scroll wheel no longer worked after five years of yeoman service. I've replaced it with a Logitech M500 model.
I still have an old ball-mouse that's coming up on 22 years and still working.
Rapamycin?
My oldest ball mice still work fine as well, several Apple IIGS mice, a few Commodore 1350 mice, a 1351 or two, and a Tandy mouse (which has a bigass steel ball that a much younger me would have been tempted to use as a steelie in the marbles arena back in grade school).
Every single old Microsoft Intellimouse Web (the optical with the back and forward buttons on the sides) that I have collected and kept in use for the past decade continues to work to this day. The signs of finger wear are obvious but the little bastards are basically tanks in mouse form. I don't know about the newer ones but these may simply never die.
I got a new job and they had these crappy old Dell mice. My first request was a gel wrist rest for my keyboard, a gel wrist rest mousepad, and a Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer mouse [amazon.com]. It's the best mouse I've ever used, I'm not sure why Microsoft ever went away from the design. Clearly by the price, they are still highly sought after.
Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer mouse. It's the best mouse I've ever used, I'm not sure why Microsoft ever went away from the design. Clearly by the price, they are still highly sought after.
That is another one I never pass up at Goodwill or St. Vinnie's, the 3.0 and the 4.0 especially. Those are also consistent resellers for me.
Microsoft Wheelmouse Optical -- the only virtually flawless product Microsoft ever made, so of course they discontinued them.
Flawless for the user mean fatally flawed for the manufacturer. The manufacturer wants something like a mouse to work well enough but last just long enough that you're willing to replace it when it breaks. If it lasts longer than that, they missed a chance to extract more $$$$ from you. See "planned obsolescence."
My mice would last much longer if I could resist the urge to smack them against the monitor whenever my computer slows down. I know perfectly well that the mouse is blameless, but my lizard brain needs to SMASH something.
So far, so good. Some of the silver paint has scraped off where I rest my thumb, but otherwise it's held up like a champ. The one I use at work is five months old, but has survived multiple airplane trips now, providing a testament to their durability. (Plus my wrist doesn't hurt and people hate using my computer. Double win!)
My very first Rising Star mouse from the mid 80s was still working when I tossed it a couple years ago. I used the bus mouse I got with my 286 until I built a machine with no ISA slots (and therefore no way to plug in the mouse's interface card). On the flip side, when Apple switched from the angular ADB mice to the rounded one in the early 90s, the rounded pieces of crap would start double-clicking after a month or two. I had to scrounge a box of the old mice to replace the new ones in our department.
I have had this mouse for ages, closer to 10 years than 5. I went looking for a replacement on the off chance that this one died and found that they now go for 300$ new in the box!
I'm not sure when it was released, I think in the late 90s, but I've been using the same Logitech iFeel USB mouse since I picked one up for $20 on clearance and it works great. Too bad only a handful of games use the rumble feature though. Weird that it caught on with gamepads but not mice, since many like to use mice for games.
My mouses (sic) tend to last a couple of years. Main reasons are that I buy them on the cheap rather than the proper choice of Logitech/MS product. I'd go for more expensive stuff but then I see the wife clicking with increasing violence and with her indicator finger reaching considerable height before slamming on the buttons when things don't quite work as she expects. Can't wait to get a laptop with a touchscreen to see her punch that Start screen.
My first mouse cost me EUR35, had a huge rubber ball and w
I've had an Evoluent Vertical Mouse for 6 years now and my wrist has already forgotten why to thank me for it, and see no reason to replace it anytime in the foreseeable future.
I've only had one mouse actually fail on me and that was because the cord became mostly detached. Currently using two different logitech wireless mice on my desktop/laptop. I have to replace the AA battery in each every few months or so.
As I suffer from multiple sclerosis, my right hand isn't what it used to be - operating a mouse became incredibly hard, so I switched to a thumb-operated trackball (M570). After a not too long learning period and honing my precision, I am now 100% trackballed.
That said, however, this is actually my third trackball in three years. The first one was a victim of my stupidity: it stopped working on me, I opened it up, found that the battery connectors are so shoddily put together that if you put in a battery en
Out of all the mice I've owned, only a few have actually died. One was a small travel mouse that came with my previous laptop - it lasted about two years, and was actually pretty nice because it had a cord perfectly sized for a laptop (about 40cm long). Eventually the left-click stopped working. I've also had a few ball mice die, but since I ended up with an entire shoebox full of ones that still worked, I never really cared (I eventually just threw them away, because a working ball mouse is still worse tha
Way back when (early 90s) I bought inexpensive mice and they'd die after a few months. Since then I bought better quality (e.g. more expensive ones) and they last for a very long time. I have a MSFT USB Intellimouse (optical) from 1998 or so that I used at work until a few months ago when I cut over to a laptop for my daily use. The plastic has gone a bit yellow and I've cleaned it a number of times with rubbing alcohol to get the gunk off.
I used a Kensington Expert Pro Mouse trackball at home, a Logitech MX620 wireless mouse for my laptop, and a Logitech S510 wireless mouse at work. I prefer the trackball as it's more precise and takes up less room on my desk.
Way back when I used the keyboard for playing Quake CTF. A bunch of my clan buddies switch to mice and started wiping the floor with my ass. I switch to a mouse but found that it would reach the edge of my desk or roll off the mouse pad (this was before laser mice) at inopportune ti
My favorite mouse is an old Logitech MX LASER. It has built-in rechargeable batteries with a charging stand that also serves as the receiver. This also allows me to put the receiver closer to the mouse Most importantly, it has a PS/2 connector which is pretty hard to come by these days.
I started using a Marconi trackball in the '80s, never understood why somebody would want to use them upside down.
Only problem with them is they're still mechanical and subject to cleaning. A bit vexing taking apart my old trackball for the occasional scrub. I met someone who had one which didn't require screwdrivers to take theirs apart, the ball could simply be tipped out for cleaning of rollers and such.
I had been using the same Microsoft mouse for 5 years, then it developed an inability to right-click. I had used it so much that the pebble texture was completely worn off of the case where my fingers held it.
Fifteen years ago, when mice were expensive, I would have replaced the micro switch. Not any more. Sanitary landfill!
Just as a heads up, if you ever come across used working MS Trackball Explorers, either wired or wireless at a good low price, yoink em. Those are like gold apparently. Your inner Jawa will not be disappointed.
I've been using a Logitech 5 button gaming mouse (I think it's the G3) for a number of year snow, I've forgotten how long. My husband has been through several in the same time, but mine just keeps on keeping on. I have to clean it fairly regularly because cat hair sticks to the glide pads on the base, but other than that it's like it's brand new.
Not just mice but a lot of other items also tend to last just a little longer than the warranty. I usually take the extended warranty if available on more expensive items otherwise that 1 year manufacture warranty will expire a day/week/month before the item breaks.
Visio brand televisions used to be notorious for that.
Yes, it's the switches that go. Either they stop switching, or they double click on their own. That's the only reason I've replaced mice other than upgrading from ball mice to optical, and from PS/2 to USB.
I answered 5+, as my optical mouse is an old-timer. However, I seem to have overlooked the wireless logitech I bought only a month ago that *never ever worked*. Alas I bought it on a business trip in a foreign country, and can't take it back. It had all kinds of bugs. For example, it used to re-order events. Quite often you could release a button, and it wouldn't send the up event until you next moved the mouse.
I loved mine. No clue what happened to it, it is still around somewhere. I stopped using it when I stopped using my old desktop and then I had no desktop for a while. Only problem I ever had was it was finicky about charging, sometimes I had to mess with it to get a good connection to the charger.
It likely is dead now; but it is also likely that if it is dead, it is because the battery has gone years without a charge (tends to be bad for them).
That said, I have switched to others, I got a logitech "gamer mo
I'm still on my original battery! I found the gold contacts wore bare after a year, but if I angle the mouse in the cradle just right, it still charges.
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The optical mice last much longer than the old roller-ball mice
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The optical mice last much longer than the old roller-ball mice
I've had to use a mechanical mouse again, last time I used one was about 7 years ago. Geez. These things suck! I have to clean the contact rollers every day of the lint, skin oil, yuck, wut? and whatever else the ball picks up and sticks to those things. How did we ever suffer through those days, before optical or tablets?
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Yes, they were atrocious. I often found myself cleaning *other peoples' mice* just to be able to use them. Ewww!!
Years back I'd often go to someone's desk to try to show them something or change a system setting and found their mouse was all bockety. A twist of the bottom plate and a few seconds scraping big chunks of gross stuff out and they couldn't believe how wonderful the mouse worked, never mind what I was sent over to sort out or demonstrate for them.
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Fond memory from when I was in support:
Customer: my keys are stuck, sorry.
Me: Have you tried turning your keyboard upside down and shaking it?
(sound of customer doing such).
Customer: Ewww, there's oh, gross... .
I don't remember if the call continued or she hung up. I bet her keyboard worked better after that though, or got replaced.
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Rollers also work better when you are using the mouse on a highly reflective surface.
I actually still have my old Microsoft mouse from the 1990s. I have it on a server now, which doesn't have a gui installed, but it's there if I need it for something. I haven't checked the ball in a while, but I mostly remote that server anyway.
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I thought it was insane to drop $100 on a mouse... until I tried a friend's Logitech MX for a day. Then I bought one. Figured it would last; my last Logitech mouse was still working after 12 years.
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I've actually repa
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The Anykeys that I used back in the day were prone to spontaneously jumping into programming mode while you were typing, leading to somewhat random keyboard mappings. I did stick with a Dell 101 until I got a desktop machine with no PS2 ports. I've got a Lenovo one now that's passable, but not great.
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What are these "drivers" you speak of?
Must be a Windows thing.
I just plug hardware into my Linux box, and it works. No idea why other operating systems can't be this easy to use.
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Or just don't install Logitech drivers?
Unless you need 16 programmable buttons on your mouse, generic Windows 'oh look, a mouse!' drivers work perfectly well with Logitech mice. Or indeed, as you've noticed, rather better than Logitech's.
I love Logitech mice. I hate Logitech mouse drivers. I find the mice are magnificent if I just plug them in and let them work.
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So you're not "down with OPM"?
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So, you found yourself cleaning other people's balls?
BWAAAAK! It's a living!
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The optical mice last much longer than the old roller-ball mice
I've had to use a mechanical mouse again, last time I used one was about 7 years ago. Geez. These things suck! I have to clean the contact rollers every day of the lint, skin oil, yuck, wut? and whatever else the ball picks up and sticks to those things. How did we ever suffer through those days, before optical or tablets?
Try using one for very long when you have a cat. You left "cat hair" out of your list so I'm guessing you don't have a cat. Semmantically kind of funny when a mouse chokes on a cat hair ball.
Cheers,
Dave
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We had an excuse to procrastinate before we had Wikipedia available.
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I actually had an optical mouse die. The left button micro-switch started failing so a click of the button didn't always translate into a button event. Really annoying when it first started to go because I was always wondering if I had just "missed" whatever I was attempting to click. Finally started seeing some really obvious things.
Cheers,
ave
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I bought a Logitech mouse/keyboard package in 2002. The thing lasted, without any issues, for 10 years. Loved it. Wound up replacing the mouse with another Logitech mouse, not six months in the middle button started failing. Sounds like this isn't an isolated incident and that Logitech isn't making mice like they used to. Shame.
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There are NO optical switches but there were lots of HALL switches in 1980-s years mainframe computers. I don't throw them away. Unfortunately, they need about 3-4 millimeters displacement to work and they don't click. The mechanical switches are easily replaceable; I keep boxes of dead mice for repairs.
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The optical mice last much longer than the old roller-ball mice
This may be true, but I've never had anything go wrong with a roller-ball mouse than couldn't be fixed by cleaning out a bit of lint from the ball.
My current optical mouse has lasted through at least 3-4 computers, possibly more.
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The original OEM mice for Amiga were TERRIBLE though, although it wasn't the ball / roller tech which was equivalent to other mice at the time.
They were boxy and uncomfortable, but the buttons were the worst bit - they used leaf switches, not microswitches, and they'd wear out with relatively little use. I remember dismantling the mouse and inserting pieces of cereal box to try and eke more life out of them. I was so glad when I changed to a new mouse with microswitch buttons.
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What is this "mouse" thing of which you speak?
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I use laptop with touchpad. What is this "mouse" of which you speak?
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I use laptop with touchpad. What is this "mouse" of which you speak?
I found the touchpad to be too annoyingly oversensitive, so I prefer to use a good old wireless Logitech Trackman Marble T-RA18 with mine. I was surprised at how quickly I took to using a trackball.
On my gaming rig though, I am rather fond of my Logitech G300, and really should shop around for a spare just in case this one ever bites the dust...spaaaaaace cadet...
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What is this "mouse" thing of which you speak?
"Use the mouse? How quaint." Lt Cmdr Scott.
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I have my tablet hooked up to my 6 core/32GB DDR3 RAM system with 6 TB RAID V and 250GB SSD boot drive. Works so much nicer than a mouse. I hate going back to mice.
I look forward to the day I can just pick things out with my brainwaves. Those neurohelmets, of which much is written, where are they?
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I have my tablet hooked up to my 6 core/32GB DDR3 RAM system with 6 TB RAID V and 250GB SSD boot drive. Works so much nicer than a mouse. I hate going back to mice.
I presume this is supposed to mean you use the tablet as an input device, which leads me to ask a couple questions:
1) What software do you use on the tablet for this interface?
2) How well does that work with drawing programs? Would you say it's better than a Wacom tablet, or not as good?
Thanks in advance.
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I have my tablet hooked up to my 6 core/32GB DDR3 RAM system with 6 TB RAID V and 250GB SSD boot drive. Works so much nicer than a mouse. I hate going back to mice.
I presume this is supposed to mean you use the tablet as an input device, which leads me to ask a couple questions:
1) What software do you use on the tablet for this interface?
2) How well does that work with drawing programs? Would you say it's better than a Wacom tablet, or not as good?
Thanks in advance.
It' is a Wacom tablet. And it beats fooling around with meeses.
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Neurohelmets? About 7 years ago I got a specimen of 4-channel 24-bit ADC suitable for making a neurohelmet. And now there is a technology to process brainwaves. But brain input is still too slow to be useful except for some niche applications.
Obligatory IBM Mouse Ball Memo (Score:5, Funny)
Mouse balls are now available as FRU. Therefore, if a mouse fails to operate or should it perform erratically, it may need a ball replacement. Because of the delicate nature of this procedure, replacement of mouse balls should only be attempted by properly trained personnel.
Before proceeding, determine the type of mouse balls by examining the underside of the mouse. Domestic balls will be larger and harder than foreign balls. Ball removal procedures differ depending upon manufacturer of the mouse. Foreign balls can be replaced using the pop-off method. Domestic balls are replaced using the twist-off method. Mouse balls are not usually static sensitive. However, excessive handling can result in sudden discharge. Upon completion of ball replacement, the mouse may be used immediately.
It is recommended that each replacer have a pair of spare balls for maintaining optimum customer satisfaction, and that any customer missing his balls should suspect local personnel of removing these necessary items.
To re-order, specify one of the following:
P/N 33F8462 - Domestic Mouse Balls
P/N 33F8461 - Foreign Mouse Balls
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I first saw that memo in the late 80s. One of the IBM field engineers brought it in, it was hilarious!
Re:Obligatory IBM Mouse Ball Memo (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd say legitimate memo, written by someone with a sense of humor.
Legitimate because domestically and foreign-produced ball mice did have distinct differences in how the ball was made, and what it was made of. Used to frustrate the hell out of me as a kid trying to swap enough parts from three broken mice to make one that works.
Someone with a sense of humor because... well, the obvious.
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TrackPoint? (Score:2)
I've been using the TrackPoint as my primary pointing device on Dell Laptops or ThinkPads for over ten years, so my mice don't get a lot of use. I use synergy [synergy-foss.org], so I can control my desktop and laptop using just the laptop keyboard.
But, I still have a couple of working keyboards that are over twenty years old, and mice that are nearly twenty years old.
Who uses mice? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Who uses mice? (Score:4, Interesting)
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I feel the same about my Cordless Optical Trackman. It's finally starting to act up after many, many years and I found out there's no replacement for it. Not only that, all the other trackballs I've seen suck. I don't know what I'm going to do when it stops working - maybe get a touch screen? [/sarcasm] It's better than using a mouse.
I've always wondered why they made it cordless when it doesn't move...
have you looked at the CST L-trac? (Score:2)
On-the-fly adjustable DPI, wide scroll wheel, options for two additional buttons, quality components.
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I'm surprisingly fond of Thinkpad clit mice. Er, trackpoints? Damn, what is the polite name?
(Okay, surprisingly? Heh.)
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I always called them mouse nipples.
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+1 for the clit. I first learned to work the clit when I bought a Toshiba Satellite Pro 2400CT back in '94 that had a green clit. I totally fell in love with the clit as it allowed me to mouse around without the need for a hand to leave the keyboard, which I'd think a great deal of touch-typists would appreciate. I loved it so much I went out and bought an IBM keyboard with a nice red clit that cost me over a $100; which back then was 1/3 of a month's rent. Since then every Intel PC keyboard that has been a
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I've been using Kensington trackballs since the early '90s. I actually prefer the old mechanical Turbo Mouse line over the current optical Expert Mouse design. The Turbo's large stainless steel rollers didn't collect nearly as much gunk as the little plastic beads in the Expert Mouse.
Obviously depends on maker (Score:2)
I just replaced a 5+ year old Apple Mighty Mouse - the first Apple mouse I've ever worn out (bluetooth was getting flakey). On the other hand, the mice that I get with my work PC laptops have generally lasted months, not years. Dell mice are utter crap.
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The maker definitely matters.
I've been using the same mouse for the past 5 years, when I replaced the Logitech 3-button mouse that I purchased in 1994. So, that's 2 mice in 20 years. And that old mouse was doing just fine, but I needed something that was USB, and the switch to an optical mouse was a nice upgrade. However, I'm starting to think about going wireless on the mouse and keyboard. Not sure if that will work well with my KVM switch.
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I've never had any trouble with the Dell mice that I've used at work but then again I never had to use any one of them for more than a few years before getting replacement during a tech refresh. That said I don't care for the ergonomics of them at all.
My favorite mouse of all time was some old model of microsoft intelli mice they made back in 2002 or so. I used the same mouse for six years straight with no problems at all. It had a very nice feel in the hand and was light weight. I had to leave it when I en
Trackball (Score:2)
Less the 5 years? (Score:3)
It would almost be easier for me to list the ones that have broken then put a lifespan to them.
Ever since I have moved to optical USB mice, of the dozens that I have used at home or work, only 3 no longer work. Ironically 2 of those were "high end" mice. The budget Microsoft and Logitech mice seem to last forever. I only just replaced the original Microsoft optical wheel mouse my grandmother had after ~10 years of use after a button broke. My other ones of that era are still going fine.
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The only mouse I have ever worn out is an Amiga mouse. This was in 1999-ish, on an Amiga dating back to about 1990. The left button microswitch wore out, it still pointed fine.
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Strewth. The only mouse I can remember having that died was an early Logitech USB optical mouse from around '01. It'd been my mouse until ~'08 and then my wife's until just a few months ago, when one of the button actuators finally got clogged up with something and quit. I might have been able to fix it (and maybe even put it back together again), but mice are so cheap that it wasn't worth it.
It depends (Score:2)
They don't make them like they used to (Score:3)
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My old Logitech MX500 mouse pointer was ONLY retired because the scroll wheel no longer worked after five years of yeoman service. I've replaced it with a Logitech M500 model.
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I still have an old ball-mouse that's coming up on 22 years and still working.
Rapamycin?
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I still have an old ball-mouse that's coming up on 22 years and still working.
Rapamycin?
My oldest ball mice still work fine as well, several Apple IIGS mice, a few Commodore 1350 mice, a 1351 or two, and a Tandy mouse (which has a bigass steel ball that a much younger me would have been tempted to use as a steelie in the marbles arena back in grade school).
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A good mouse is hard to find these days... (Score:2)
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Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer mouse. It's the best mouse I've ever used, I'm not sure why Microsoft ever went away from the design. Clearly by the price, they are still highly sought after.
That is another one I never pass up at Goodwill or St. Vinnie's, the 3.0 and the 4.0 especially. Those are also consistent resellers for me.
Microsoft? (Score:5, Funny)
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Microsoft Wheelmouse Optical -- the only virtually flawless product Microsoft ever made, so of course they discontinued them.
Flawless for the user mean fatally flawed for the manufacturer. The manufacturer wants something like a mouse to work well enough but last just long enough that you're willing to replace it when it breaks. If it lasts longer than that, they missed a chance to extract more $$$$ from you. See "planned obsolescence."
Cheers,
Dave
User error (Score:2)
My mice would last much longer if I could resist the urge to smack them against the monitor whenever my computer slows down. I know perfectly well that the mouse is blameless, but my lizard brain needs to SMASH something.
"Forever, I have an MX500/MX510" (Score:2)
Where is that option?
It's the perfect mouse. Will never be exceeded and they seem to never break either.
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Or a Logitech MX518.
I should have remembered that one.
My Evoluent Vertical Mouse 4 just hit year 3 (Score:3)
Depends entirely on the mouse (Score:2)
My very first Rising Star mouse from the mid 80s was still working when I tossed it a couple years ago. I used the bus mouse I got with my 286 until I built a machine with no ISA slots (and therefore no way to plug in the mouse's interface card). On the flip side, when Apple switched from the angular ADB mice to the rounded one in the early 90s, the rounded pieces of crap would start double-clicking after a month or two. I had to scrounge a box of the old mice to replace the new ones in our department.
Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0 (Score:2)
I have had this mouse for ages, closer to 10 years than 5. I went looking for a replacement on the off chance that this one died and found that they now go for 300$ new in the box!
15+ years? (Score:2)
Violent mouse users and my history with crapgadget (Score:2)
My mouses (sic) tend to last a couple of years. Main reasons are that I buy them on the cheap rather than the proper choice of Logitech/MS product. I'd go for more expensive stuff but then I see the wife clicking with increasing violence and with her indicator finger reaching considerable height before slamming on the buttons when things don't quite work as she expects. Can't wait to get a laptop with a touchscreen to see her punch that Start screen.
My first mouse cost me EUR35, had a huge rubber ball and w
Evoluent vertical mouse (Score:4, Interesting)
I've had an Evoluent Vertical Mouse for 6 years now and my wrist has already forgotten why to thank me for it, and see no reason to replace it anytime in the foreseeable future.
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How long do your computer mice last? (Score:2)
Until a fancier mouse hits the market.
All my Logitech mouses are still operational when I replace them with a better model and I don't change very often (every 4 years?).
Trackballin' (Score:2)
As I suffer from multiple sclerosis, my right hand isn't what it used to be - operating a mouse became incredibly hard, so I switched to a thumb-operated trackball (M570). After a not too long learning period and honing my precision, I am now 100% trackballed.
That said, however, this is actually my third trackball in three years. The first one was a victim of my stupidity: it stopped working on me, I opened it up, found that the battery connectors are so shoddily put together that if you put in a battery en
I think some are indestructable (Score:2)
Out of all the mice I've owned, only a few have actually died. One was a small travel mouse that came with my previous laptop - it lasted about two years, and was actually pretty nice because it had a cord perfectly sized for a laptop (about 40cm long). Eventually the left-click stopped working. I've also had a few ball mice die, but since I ended up with an entire shoebox full of ones that still worked, I never really cared (I eventually just threw them away, because a working ball mouse is still worse tha
Define "last" (Score:2)
I tend to use mine for just a few years before the style either bores me or my usage pattern changes enough to warrant an upgrade.
Buy good ones (Score:2)
Way back when (early 90s) I bought inexpensive mice and they'd die after a few months. Since then I bought better quality (e.g. more expensive ones) and they last for a very long time. I have a MSFT USB Intellimouse (optical) from 1998 or so that I used at work until a few months ago when I cut over to a laptop for my daily use. The plastic has gone a bit yellow and I've cleaned it a number of times with rubbing alcohol to get the gunk off.
The Obligatory Related Resource (Score:2)
The original mouse included within the 1968 "(Mother of all demos) Demonstration [stanford.edu]" presented by the inventor, Doug Engelbart.
Oblig. Star Trek Quote, Just use the keyboard! (Score:2)
Computer... Computer? {is handed the mouse and speaks into it} Hello, Computer? (Scotty)
Just use the keyboard. (Dr. Nicolas)
Keyboard? How quaint. (Scotty)
Trackball (Score:2)
I used a Kensington Expert Pro Mouse trackball at home, a Logitech MX620 wireless mouse for my laptop, and a Logitech S510 wireless mouse at work. I prefer the trackball as it's more precise and takes up less room on my desk.
Way back when I used the keyboard for playing Quake CTF. A bunch of my clan buddies switch to mice and started wiping the floor with my ass. I switch to a mouse but found that it would reach the edge of my desk or roll off the mouse pad (this was before laser mice) at inopportune ti
LAAAASERS! (Score:2)
My favorite mouse is an old Logitech MX LASER. It has built-in rechargeable batteries with a charging stand that also serves as the receiver. This also allows me to put the receiver closer to the mouse Most importantly, it has a PS/2 connector which is pretty hard to come by these days.
Now I just need to get a shark for it.
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I started using a Marconi trackball in the '80s, never understood why somebody would want to use them upside down.
Only problem with them is they're still mechanical and subject to cleaning. A bit vexing taking apart my old trackball for the occasional scrub. I met someone who had one which didn't require screwdrivers to take theirs apart, the ball could simply be tipped out for cleaning of rollers and such.
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Spaceballs are even better, but i don't think they are made any longer, and they were a lot more expensive than a good trackball.
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Spaceballs are even better, but i don't think they are made any longer, and they were a lot more expensive than a good trackball.
Those tend to deplete your air supply though.
Re:Pop them in the TARDIS every 10 years (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Pop them in the TARDIS every 10 years (Score:4, Informative)
Re: Pop them in the TARDIS every 10 years (Score:3)
Paradoxes are cute little wiener-dogs!
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funny, but I think this might have been funnier
Paradoxes are cute little wiener-doxs!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanity_Has_Declined
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Fifteen years ago, when mice were expensive, I would have replaced the micro switch. Not any more. Sanitary landfill!
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Just as a heads up, if you ever come across used working MS Trackball Explorers, either wired or wireless at a good low price, yoink em. Those are like gold apparently. Your inner Jawa will not be disappointed.
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I've been using a Logitech 5 button gaming mouse (I think it's the G3) for a number of year snow, I've forgotten how long. My husband has been through several in the same time, but mine just keeps on keeping on. I have to clean it fairly regularly because cat hair sticks to the glide pads on the base, but other than that it's like it's brand new.
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Not just mice but a lot of other items also tend to last just a little longer than the warranty. I usually take the extended warranty if available on more expensive items otherwise that 1 year manufacture warranty will expire a day/week/month before the item breaks.
Visio brand televisions used to be notorious for that.
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Logitech M185 = cheap shitty crap, know that.
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I loved mine. No clue what happened to it, it is still around somewhere. I stopped using it when I stopped using my old desktop and then I had no desktop for a while. Only problem I ever had was it was finicky about charging, sometimes I had to mess with it to get a good connection to the charger.
It likely is dead now; but it is also likely that if it is dead, it is because the battery has gone years without a charge (tends to be bad for them).
That said, I have switched to others, I got a logitech "gamer mo
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