Amazon To Open $21 Million State-of-the-Art Warehouse In Tijuana Slum (vice.com) 145
This month, Amazon will open a $21 million state-of-the-art warehouse in Tijuana, Mexico, that abuts a housing settlement made of cardboard, tarp, and wood scraps along the Tijuana River, less than three miles from the U.S.-Mexico border. Motherboard reports: In recent days, images of the shiny, new warehouse complex emblazoned with a giant blue Amazon logo -- and its impoverished environs with its unpaved roads and cardboard roofs have gone viral on social media, a stark display of globalization. The images have drawn comparisons to dystopian science fiction. Amazon's founder and chairman Jeff Bezos, who recently travelled in a rocket to outer space (and then thanked his workers for making that possible), is the world's wealthiest person. Marisa Vano, a spokesperson for Amazon, said, "Since our arrival in Mexico, Amazon has created more than 15,000 jobs throughout the country, creating employment opportunities with competitive salaries and benefits for all of our employees. Our wages and benefits strengthen local communities, and these investments help these areas to grow and to build better futures."
Amazon, which is steadily spreading its reach across the globe, has been busy scaling up operations in Mexico and throughout Latin America over the past several years. The Mexican outlet Proceso reported that the mayor of Tijuana has said that the new warehouse will speed up delivery times for Amazon goods within the Mexico border city and in nearby cities. Amazon Prime membership allows for unlimited two-day shipping throughout much of Mexico.
Amazon, which is steadily spreading its reach across the globe, has been busy scaling up operations in Mexico and throughout Latin America over the past several years. The Mexican outlet Proceso reported that the mayor of Tijuana has said that the new warehouse will speed up delivery times for Amazon goods within the Mexico border city and in nearby cities. Amazon Prime membership allows for unlimited two-day shipping throughout much of Mexico.
tit for tat (Score:2)
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My team members from Tijuana (Score:5, Insightful)
Obviously I don't know each and every person in TJ, but the people in my company from TJ who used to be incredibly poor moved to apartments and houses when they got hired for 3X-6X minimum wage.
My direct team members make about 3X the *average* income in Mexico, so where do you think they live now?
You had me worried for a moment, there (Score:2)
I got the big-bad corporate retailers mixed up.
For a moment, I thought that Walmart was building a distribution center in a poor border community in Mexico.
That Walmart would be building new retail stores in the well-to-do upscale neighborhoods in Mexico. And that the shopping experience would be a Mexican person entering the store being in proximity to thin, well-dressed U.S. immigrants who spoke fluent, idiomatic Mexican Spanish? A Bizarro Walmart?
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I am sure most of the local politicians and Amazon has sold it to them, that these people who live in the slum, would get a nice job at Amazon. While the truth would be far more complex, where these people may have conditions that make them difficult to hire for work, or are unable to work in such an environment.
Where most of the jobs will come from out of the area, because they will be more employable, and would prefer to commute than live in that area.
Re: tit for tat (Score:2)
How dare Amazon introduce warehouse jobs in a deeply struggling part of TJ! They should have built the facility far away from the slums, ensuring the areas poorest residents are incapable of working in the Amazon facility and continue living in squalor.
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Hm? It's a valid question, why do people assume it's a Judgement?
Developments are lifesaving when done correctly. When it's not, forced evictions and such in development countries are absolutely brutal, cue CC P styled thug and Riot police forced evictions. (In my childhood place, even some of the most peaceful, well planned area redevelopments of my old place had resulted in evictions resistance that ends with fights with the police before.)
Worst case scenario for some place (not China) local people fi
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Someone else reminded me of this scene from Idiocracy. [wp.com]
We keep saying this over and over again, but that movie was supposed to be fiction, not a documentary.
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Most of all, those 15,000 jobs where somewhere else and not here.
Re:tit for tat (Score:5, Interesting)
Being that it is warehouse vs an actual store, I don't see it being an immediate negative towards the local economy. Perhaps a long term effect where people in Mexico may buy more goods online, vs the limited sections at the local stores.
However those 15,000 jobs will often want houses nearby, being that they have a steady job, they may want nicer homes, also they may want places to eat for lunch, or after work.
The real question is what will happen to that community when Amazon moves its resources to a different area?
I live in a rural area, where there is a quaint village, while it is rather clean and well kept, it is also quite poor, with many of its 19th century buildings vacant, with a rather complex infrastructure, that the locals can hardly afford. It was because a hundred years ago, it was a good manufacturing hub, being next to the Rails, and a river being a hub to many states. But the problem is for a small town, there was only a small handful of factories. When one left, the town was decimated. Because so much of the economy was centered around that factory, after it left, a lot of the richer people (the bosses, and managers, foremen...) left the town to get a job or move with the company. The poorer people who cannot afford to be as mobile, tried to get what ever work they can get, often well below their actual skills, for much less money. Bringing in less tax revenue, their children when they moved out they left the town to work in the bigger economies, then they got old, and stopped working all together. All with a town with a complex infrastructure built to support a factory, that cannot be easily be turned off, or reduced, because that would be an expensive undertaking, or they keep spending a lot of the tax money to keeping the infrastructure running.
If Amazon were to actually hep the economy, create a warehouse that would employee less than 1,000 people, and only require minor improvements to the areas infrastructure. but build 15 of those in different communities. For that case if Amazon had to close that location (even all 15 of them) they wouldn't leave such a scar on the local community.
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Forget moving. What happens when Amazon gets the whole picker/box-stuffer robot thing worked out and fires 95% of all of its warehouse employees?
They've already gotten local tax concessions based on the idea that these places will create jobs. But at some point they'll ditch the jobs and then the area will have no jobs AND no tax income.
And the same thing won't happen just there, but everywhere...
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They've already gotten local tax concessions based on the idea that these places will create jobs.
Most jurisdictions tie the tax breaks directly to the jobs. So when the jobs disappear, so do the tax breaks.
We aren't all as dumb as Wisconsin.
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Governments need to learn that these tax concessions never actually end up providing what was promised. It's just a way for big companies to cheat smaller governments. It's not that these companies want to be overtly evil, it's just that being evil is a successful business practice.
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It sort of reminds me when Sun Microsystems set up a campus in poor East Palo Alto. The workers most definitely did not want to live in East Palo Alto. There were also walls put up, even on sides of some roads, to limit the view of the area (or probably justified to reduce noise to residents, but the optics of it could go either way).
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The real question is what will happen to that community when Amazon moves its resources to a different area?
As someone that grew up in a place poorer than Tijuana, I'd say TJ residents have too much to worry about *right now* to consider that question.
Right now that warehouse will give jobs that people desperately need. I've seen the effects (mostly positive) of such jobs in such areas. The jobs are hard and long, but they give people the first real chance to a steady salary in a formal economy. That translates to being able to put their kids to school and to rent a home in safer, more sanitary areas.
Within
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They created 15,000 jobs, but how many local shops have gone out of business?
That warehouse doesn't look like it services the local community so probably not very many. This seems like a win for this community. New jobs for some of them. All those people with new jobs will have more money to spend in the community causing other people in the area to also have more money to spend. Yes, Amazon likely get a cheaper labor force but if Amazon would have built this same warehouse in a wealthy area it likely wouldn't have near the same benefit for either Amazon or the local community.
As Carnage4Life put it. (Score:5, Informative)
Amazon building a warehouse in a poor neighborhood and thus giving hundreds to thousands of residents jobs is a good thing.
Re:As Carnage4Life put it. (Score:4, Informative)
Carnage4Life is wrong [ilsr.org].
Re:As Carnage4Life put it. (Score:4, Interesting)
What a terrible set of bogus arguments and cherry-picked numbers.
"Amazon destroys more jobs than it creates." We shouldn't look at paying people to do jobs inefficiently as a plus -- it is good that Amazon needs fewer employees to manage a given amount of sales. Efficiency produces more consumer surplus!
"Most Amazon jobs are awful." Unsurprisingly, wages in a place like Chattanooga are lower than the US average, which has a cost of living that is about 16% lower [bestplaces.net] than the US average.
Etc etc. But, hey, you have an eight-year-old hatchet piece. Good for you.
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What a terrible set of bogus arguments and cherry-picked numbers.
You mean what Amazon submits to the IRS?
We shouldn't look at paying people to do jobs inefficiently as a plus -- it is good that Amazon needs fewer employees to manage a given amount of sales. Efficiency produces more consumer surplus!
Not if consumers can't afford to buy things because they don't have jobs and corporate interests are lobbying against UBI.
Re:As Carnage4Life put it. (Score:4, Insightful)
Now do farming. It used to take many times as many farmers to produce a given amount of food. Now it takes a lot fewer. All those poor farmers, forced to do terrible things like learn to code.
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Now do farming.
Farming used to be sustainable, now it isn't. Mass factory farming is basically hydroponics in a dirt medium. Take away the synthetic fertilizer and the land becomes worthless as the fertilizer and mechanical cultivation (creating hardpan) has destroyed the land's ability to support crops without it.
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Citation needed on unsustainability and sterilizing the soil.
People don't put crops on farmland that isn't needed any more. It gets deforested [umd.edu] instead, which is better for the environment, and seems to work just fine.
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Citation needed on unsustainability and sterilizing the soil.
My top google result for "synthetic fertilizer destroys soil diversity" is this article with citations [medium.com]. Literally everyone who knows anything about farming sustainability knows this.
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That page doesn't say any of the things you claimed earlier.
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>>> Amazon creates jobs!!
>> No it doesn't, it costs more jobs than it creates
> That's a GOOD thing.
It can't be both.
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Oh I'm absolutely certain the second hand market (of items in mint condition) around Tijuana will boom.
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From TFA,
...the Amazon spokesperson said the warehouse would create 250 new jobs available to the local community...
250 jobs in a city of 1.8 million jobs isn't going to do anything for the local economy, other than help put more small stores out of business.
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From TFA,
...the Amazon spokesperson said the warehouse would create 250 new jobs available to the local community...
250 jobs in a city of 1.8 million jobs isn't going to do anything for the local economy, other than help put more small stores out of business.
How is a distribution warehouse putting local businesses out of business?
Clue: It doesn't.
250 Jobs will have a knock on effect as people who earn those wages will spend them, more often than not locally. The business owners in turn will spend that money again. Granted 250 jobs won't change the entire city, but it's more than just 250 jobs and definitely not killing local businesses.
Re: As Carnage4Life put it. (Score:2)
It will PROFOUNDLY impact the lives of those 250 workers. That neighborhood will blossom as Amazon paychecks filter and circulate thru the local community.
Rather than applaud a positive action in a struggling community, you sit in judgement and condemn the effort as insufficient/not meaningful.
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So what you're saying is if we raise the minimum wage in the U.S. it will profoundly impact the lives of the workers. The economy will blossom as that extra money in their paychecks filter and circulate through the economy.
Got it.
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Amazon building a warehouse in a poor neighborhood and thus giving hundreds to thousands of residents jobs is a good thing.
Notice Amazon is advertising this as a "state of the art" warehouse. Understand that will likely mean job numbers measured in dozens. The rest, will likely be automated.
Not to mention the fact that an Amazon warehouse going up in an area ultimately means a net zero gain of jobs in that area due to the ones they destroy.
Hundreds of thousands? Delusional bullshit at best. Your comment should have been modded Funny for accuracy.
Re: As Carnage4Life put it. (Score:2)
Really? The local shops in this neighborhood will all be shuttered as the locals turn to online commerce and start spending all their money at Amazon?
This facility helps the poorest of poor neighborhoods by offering the locals good-paying jobs. Any jobs lost will be far away from the facility, where the delivery trucks actually make deliveries.
Re:As Carnage4Life put it. (Score:4, Informative)
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Amazon building a warehouse in a poor neighborhood and thus giving hundreds to thousands of residents jobs is a good thing.
Exactly!
Which is more sleazy (Score:1)
Um (Score:5, Insightful)
In recent days, images of the shiny, new warehouse complex emblazoned with a giant blue Amazon logo -- and its impoverished environs with its unpaved roads and cardboard roofs have gone viral on social media, a stark display of globalization.
Where the hell do you idiots think that prosperity comes from?
It was a slum before Amazon was ever there. If amazon has jobs for some people who live there, that can only improve things.
What is wrong with idiot 1st worlders today???
Re: Um (Score:3, Informative)
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That first sentence is correct, but the second is just not true.
Re: Um (Score:2)
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Just so everyone is clear, the parent post troll is rsillvergun with two l's. It's an account that first posted on Thursday and is obviously intended to try to create confusion with the account of the real rsilvergun.
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For the sake of clarity, the troll in the parent post is rsillvergun with two l's. It's an account that first posted on Thursday and is obviously intended to try to create confusion with the account of the real rsilvergun.
Re: Um (Score:3, Insightful)
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For clarity, the troll in the parent post is rsillvergun with two l's. It's an account that first posted on Thursday and is obviously intended to try to create confusion with the account of the real rsilvergun.
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It was a slum before Amazon was ever there. If amazon has jobs for some people who live there, that can only improve things.
So that land was completely empty before Amazon moved in? There was no displacement of people? Also you are assuming Amazon gave jobs to the locals. Many times they do not. By "improving" the situation, Amazon took land away from people who cannot afford to move and may not have given anyone jobs. How is that improvement?
Re:Um (Score:4, Interesting)
Where the hell do you idiots think that prosperity comes from?
I suspect that it comes more from smaller local business indigenous startups, a vast swathe of them, helped by reductions in red tape and a growing middle class. I suspect that a huge multinational won't contribute much prosperity to the neighborhood, since it will have heavily optimized ways to extract value out. But I don't know where to look for data to judge whether either hypothesis is true. I don't think this makes me an "idiot".
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It's arguable that Amazon has some not so great business practices. This leads dumb people to believe that literally every single thing that Amazon touches turns to shit, and that they are pure unmitigated evil so we must gnash our teeth and grab our pitchforks at every Amazon announcement, no matter what it is. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in the world now with no ability to see shades of gray. Everything is either completely black, or completely white. So for those folks Amazon = evil.
Peop
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Just so everyone is clear, the political troll in the parent post is rsillvergun with two l's. It's an account that first posted on Thursday and is obviously intended to try to create confusion with the account of the real rsilvergun.
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Amazon created no jobs. They created a more profitable way to sell goods, which almost surely resulted in a net loss in the number of workers needed. Not that that's a bad thing, that's generally known as an increase in productivity, which is considered good.
"Amazon created no jobs." What an asinine and falsifiable statement.
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In Mexico it is.
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Yeah, ten bucks a day is fair!
In Mexico with its low COL, that's fair. Fuck, I wish I had a $3/day job back when I grew up in impoverished Honduras.
Man, you first world idiots are something.
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Just so it is clear, the troll in the parent post is rsillvergun with two l's. It's an account that first posted on Thursday and is obviously intended to try to create confusion with the account of the real rsilvergun.
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Classic logic there.
Yes, yes it is.
You spout anti capitalist nonsense
Nonsense? [citation needed]
while typing it all on your fuckig laptop
Actually, I'm using a desktop. And apparently, I'm using it in a way that makes you quite angry, given your diarrheal spew.
connected to high seed or internet that capitalism has created for you to use.
You imagine that only capitalism can produce things? Noob.
You would not last a week outside of the US.
I'd do even better in a country with fair wages, fair employment laws, etc.
You guys are hypocrites.
You obviously don't even know what that means based on your computers and capitalism argument.
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Just so everyone is clear, the poster in the parent post is rsillvergun with two l's. It's an account that first posted on Thursday and is obviously intended to try to create confusion with the account of the real rsilvergun.
Surprise (Score:1)
Horribly slanted lefty news (Score:2)
Only a "source" like Vice would call a massive new source of entry-level jobs "dystopian."
Re:Horribly slanted lefty news (Score:4, Informative)
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Just so everyone is clear, the troll in the parent post is rsillvergun with two l's. It's an account that first posted on Thursday and is obviously intended to try to create confusion with the account of the real rsilvergun.
Nobody told you why? (Score:5, Interesting)
That's Amazon's portal into the US for evading tariffs on imports from China. Mexico doesn't levy those tariffs and once the parts are in Mexico, they can be freely imported into the US per the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
Re:Nobody told you why? (Score:5, Interesting)
Other companies are known to do similar tariff-evading tricks, but it is not that simple and it is generally illegal. Just because it stopped in a warehouse in Mexico, doesn't mean the law considers it to not be imported from China.
This is more likely a way for Amazon to avoid the higher costs of doing business in the US while distributing goods in the SW parts of the USA as well as in Mexico.
Companies that do evade tariffs by transshipping usually have to pay local manufacturers in the middleman country to forge country-of-origin documentation. Because this is Amazon, which is prominent in the eyes of the public and the politicians, I doubt they could get away with that. Still, they could very well get away with turning a blind eye to their suppliers doing it.
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Documentation is worth a lot more than any bridge. Lasts longer too.
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That's Amazon's portal into the US for evading tariffs on imports from China. Mexico doesn't levy those tariffs and once the parts are in Mexico, they can be freely imported into the US per the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
That is not how taxes work. What you are describing is illegal.
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"once the parts are in Mexico, they can be freely imported into the US per the North American Free Trade Agreement"
I'm a US Customs broker. This is entirely wrong.
The only way they can be imported into the US free under USMCA (NAFTA doesn't exist any more) is if they are materially altered to the point of changing their harmonized tariff code...like anything else, in any other country in the world.
Either you don't know what you're talking about (so should not speak up) or are lying. Which is it?
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if they are materially altered to the point of changing their harmonized tariff code
There are far too many people who want to be surprised Pikachu soon when it turns out Amazon crushes the law abiding competition by circumventing tariffs. Forgive me for not elaborating a complete tariff avoidance scheme with all the details. But if you believe that Amazon places a big warehouse just across the border, with all the complications that entails, and isn't doing it to leverage lower or non-existent tariffs, I'll offer you that bridge too. That you're naive is the charitable assumption. The othe
The Amazon jobs can be a good option (Score:2)
If Amazon pays workers just the Mexican minimum wage (minimum is about $7.02 USD per day), it's not enough to get by on. If Amazon pays a more reasonable amount (e.g., closer to $50 USD per day = $1000/month USD), it's enough to live on comfortably, and they would have a surplus of job candidates.
What does it cost to live in Mexico? Rent of a two-bedroom apartment in a budget neighborhood is about $100-125 USD (maybe $125-150 for 3-bedroom). A refill of a natural gas cylinder is about $22 USD (once a mon
Well (Score:2)
Still looks a lot nicer than simaler scenes in tbe US.
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Amazon is here for only one reason (Score:2)
Consumers are willing to shovel money into its pockets in spite of its labor practices. No government action will change that. Keyboard warriors will type out their rage between amazon deliveries to their concrete filing cabinet housing
Another Bullshit Article (Score:2)
shithole slum offering zero gets replaced with warehouse offering jobs that might just get people and their families OUT of said shithole slum
Leftie keyboard warriors outraged.
It's easy to be outraged when you don't have to put food in your kids stomachs.
Residents to demonstrate? (Score:2)
Re:Taco! Taco! Burrito! Burrito! (Score:2)
I've got a hunger only tacos can stop.
I know exactly what I'll order
Three tacos two tostadas and a soda pop.
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Pronunciation would be "Yenifer" moron.
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Because of its proximity to the United States, the Mexican border is typically more expensive than the rest of the country, and the minimum wage is higher at roughly $10.70 USD per day.
That $10 per day. Not per hour. PER DAY.
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That means nothing without context. What's the average pay in the area? If thwy're located next to a tarp city, that may be a very high wage for the city?
Although the first thing that came to mind when I saw this is "I wonder what they're going to need for security?" And I don't mean just an alarm on the door. I'm talking armed guards with automatic weapons.
It's not uncommon for bigger businesses that send their people there to have a security squad to accompany them, since kidnapping / ransoming is an
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That means nothing without context.
The context is that food is not substantially cheaper in TJ than it is in e.g. SD, if you compare like quality. At least, it wasn't last time I went shopping in TJ, and I don't see any reason why it would be now. Housing is cheaper, but you also get a lot less in the way of government services.
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So, let's look at the cost of living between Mexico and San Diego [numbeo.com]
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Consumer Prices in San Diego, CA are 97.45% higher than in Tijuana (without rent) Consumer Prices Including Rent in San Diego, CA are 157.41% higher than in Tijuana Rent Prices in San Diego, CA are 313.46% higher than in Tijuana Restaurant Prices in San Diego, CA are 100.98% higher than in Tijuana Groceries Prices in San Diego, CA are 139.13% higher than in Tijuana Local Purchasing Power in San Diego, CA is 233.66% higher than in Tijuana
Look at that. Tijuana is almost half the cost of San Diego. Well, let's look at food:
Item Tijuana San Diego Percent Difference
Milk (regular), (1 gallon) 81.20 MXN(4.07 $) 66.21 MXN(3.32 $) -18.46 %
Loaf White Bread (1 lb) 26.65 MXN(1.33 $) 64.19 MXN(3.22 $) +140.88 %
Rice (white), (1 lb) 10.77 MXN(0.54 $) 41.63 MXN(2.09 $) +286.48 %
Eggs (regular) (12) 30.37 MXN(1.52 $) 55.13 MXN(2.76 $) +81.52 %
Local Cheese (1 lb) 35.15 MXN(1.76 $) 105.23 MXN(5.27 $) +199.35 %
Chicken Fillets (1 lb) 30.07 MXN(1.51 $) 98.47 MXN(4.93 $) +227.49 %
Beef Round (1 lb) 66.56 MXN(3.33 $) 118.24 MXN(5.92 $) +77.64 %
Apples (1 lb) 15.57 MXN(0.78 $) 35.40 MXN(1.77 $) +127.34 %
Banana (1 lb) 10.43 MXN(0.52 $) 15.71 MXN(0.79 $) +50.55 %
Oranges (1 lb) 8.54 MXN(0.43 $) 29.17 MXN(1.46 $) +241.45 %
Tomato (1 lb) 9.22 MXN(0.46 $) 34.79 MXN(1.74 $) +277.19 %
Potato (1 lb) 7.71 MXN(0.39 $) 23.80 MXN(1.19 $) +208.70 %
Onion (1 lb) 6.12 MXN(0.31 $) 20.26 MXN(1.01 $) +230.79 %
Lettuce (1 head) 17.83 MXN(0.89 $) 32.13 MXN(1.61 $) +80.15 %
Water (1.5 liter bottle) 14.33 MXN(0.72 $) 34.44 MXN(1.73 $) +140.27 %
Looks like you are completely wrong.
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But let's use data instead:
A comparable standard of life in Tijuana at $2,254/mo is equivalent to living in San Diego spending $5,802.
Consumer prices without rent are 97.5% higher in SD.
Rent prices are 313.5% higher in SD.
Groceries are, on average, 139% higher
Re: Enormous growth opportunity for Tijuana. (Score:2)
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And what, if anything, are they going to pay in taxes to the city and the state, as well as federal Mexican taxes?
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good to know, thanks for the update on how things are changing, it looks for the better
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And what do employees at the Fulfillment Center make? Do you honestly think they make the minimum wage when Amazon already pays twice the minimum wage or more at all its FCs north of the border?
A quick search of Google shows that they pay double the Mexican minimum wage as well, which is more than about 27% of the population makes. Since it's a no-education no-skills no-experience job, the same as in the US, that's in no way unreasonable. In other words, an Amazon box stuffer makes about what a Walmart s
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To compete with that dog-and-pony show Amazon is bringing to town?
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Undocumented immigrants pay more in taxes than they consume in social programs, and commit less crimes than the legal residents of this country. There are no advantages for us in keeping people out. But Amazon has resulted in a net loss of jobs in this country [ilsr.org], so there's no valid reason to imagine that it will do anything different anywhere else.
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You are not talking about Undocumented Immigrants, but documented ones, who came in with some sort of work Visa, others seeking sanctuary, now some of them had their Visa Expire on them, but that isn't an undocumented immigrant, just an illegal immigrant.
Undocumented workers don't pay taxes, nor do they receive social programs, because they can't because there is no documentation.
However the Undocumented workers have a strong intensive not to commit crimes, because the system is so against them, and they
Re:Advantages for US (Score:4, Informative)
Undocumented workers don't pay taxes
Undocumented workers DO pay taxes. They can't get a job without SOMEONE'S documentation. In at least one case, that documentation was mine. The CA EDD actually assigned me a temporary SSN at one point because someone else was using mine and paying taxes, although they eventually relented and let me use my own SSN for job seeking and unemployment insurance services again.
Consider yourself educated, and stop making the bullshit claim that undocumented workers don't pay taxes. It is ignorant at best.
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So you are saying they filed a 1040 with your SSN?
Yep.
Or did you mean that the employer did the standard withholdings from the information the identify thieves provided?
I presume both.
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I had my SS# used for 3 cleaning businesses on the east coast (I lived on the west coat) which got my income tax returns withheld for a couple years. I got a big check (with a tiny amount of interest) about 5 years later after a thorough audit. I don't mind audits, but I did mind my tax returns being in limbo for multiple years (it gets done when it gets done).
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I don't mind audits, but I did mind my tax returns being in limbo for multiple years (it gets done when it gets done).
They will spend any amount of time and money going after the little guy, but just ignore the billionaires.
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Illegals would have to average >$50,000 a year in income *and pay taxes on that whole amount* just to cover the education costs of their children.
I'm sorry, but WTF? Are you actually claiming that illegals have an average of 4 children each? The average mojado couple would have 12 kids then to make up for the single people who are here and sending money back to their families.
Did you have a breakfast bong this morning, or what?
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Illegals would have to average >$50,000 a year in income *and pay taxes on that whole amount* just to cover the education costs of their children.
Education budgets generally come from local taxes. If the illegal immigrants are living on someone's property and buying stuff, they're paying the taxes that fund education.
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Undocumented workers don't pay income taxes, nor do they receive social programs, because they can't because there is no documentation.
Fixed that for you. There are plenty of taxes that illegal immigrants can't avoid, such as property taxes (via paying rent to the landlord) and sales taxes.
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So in your mind, illegal immigrants pay more than they consume in public services? Seriously?
Let's just consider the cost of public school education - a family of four (two adults, two school age children) costs their community roughly $25K ($12.5K x 2) in public school expenses... how does the family even offset just that one expense?
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That claim typically does rely on statistics that have been biased to undercount crimes by illegal immigrants.
So you know you can trivially find citations for that statement, and I needn't bother providing one? Good, we can move on. Where's the citation for yours?
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Illegals have to pay into Social Security and Medicare, although they'll never get any of that money back. Illegals can't go on welfare, join the military, work on government contracts, or any number of other sources of government revenue like FEMA money. Illegals still pay state taxes, sales taxes, vehicle licenses, and part of their rent goes to pay property taxes that they don't benefit from (unless they've brought their children). They rarely call for police or ambulance service out of fear of deport
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