Here's an idea: Walk up to a cop and tell him that you appreciate how he prevents monopolies because he won't allow a business to murder its competitors. Do it! Do it!
That's ridiculous on multiple levels. One is because it wouldn't prove anything at all. Two because they would just stare at me blankly (actually, more likely with that cop "death-stare" they often default to when they don't know how to react). Three, because there are these things called RICO statutes that the cops enforce. The Mafia, for example, are well known for establishing local monopolies where they collude to set prices and control entry into the market. When it's for markets for contraband like drugs, you could argue that it isn't an antitrust issue, but it also happens for markets like building supplies (concrete, etc.), construction in general, waste management, garments. While the monopoly isn't technically in the US, a significant fraction of canned tomatoes in the US have come from a Mafia monopoly in Southern Italy.
So, basically your point is actually a really bad one because, in their role enforcing RICO statutes, the statement that "the police protect against monopolies" would technically be true, even if it is only a tiny fraction of their job and indirect.
I also have to point out, yet again, that this is all ridiculous because the only reason I even ever said anything about the claim that the SEC protects against monopolies is true is because another poster claimed it - implying that the SEC's actual main job was protecting against monopolies - and I was telling they they were WRONG.
At this point, I doubt you even realize that monopolies aren't illegal, nor does it even take fraud or murder, or any other crime really, to have one.
Then you're an idiot. Or, as we've established, you're a troll. It's tricky though. You seem to want your opinions to matter based on many of your posts, but you admit to being a troll. So, by definition, you're admitting that your opinions don't matter. I'm not sure what the point is.
Where are you even getting that from?
All sorts of sources, but the main one was Fidelity. You might have heard of them. One of the world's largest brokerages and asset management companies. Also a major investor in both X and xAI and SpaceX and, therefore, an organization that did have insider access to the company financials. Ring a bell? They valued SpaceX at $9.4 billion around 6 months before the merger. There were many others, but they were mostly just echoing Fidelity. I mean, aside from that, there were tons of financial rags reporting their drastically fallen ad revenue. Not to mention Musk's own reply to questions about their financial status, which was _poop emoji_, indicating things were clearly pretty bad. Then there's Musk literally publicly threatening to sue advertisers for not advertising and also telling them "fuck you" in public. This, on top of the well known total failure of Musk's plan to drop the advertising part of the business and make the company profitable through subscriptions and vanity check marks. Or turn it into a streaming TV replacement. Or the one true payment processor. Or an "everything" app. Or, really adding any new features in the two and a half years he's owned it that are not basically just adding existing features other platforms already have.
So, yeah, Twitter was a financial boondoggle that Musk paid too much for and declined under his leadership. However... Suddenly, totally mysteriously near the end of January 2025, that started to turn around. Despite Musk actually suddenly being busy with a government advisor job, there started to be financial movement with Twitter. Not profits, or anything like that. Just, all of a sudden, mysteriously, investors were interested in new valuations and funding rounds for his companies, including Twitter. For about a month or so it was just about funding rounds, then the Fidelity valuation suddenly jumped to the Musk original purchase price (which was already overvalued). Then about a month after that, the merger was announced out of the blue. It wasn't much of a surprise at that point of course. Anyone with half a brain and who was paying any attention knew something was going on behind the scenes with the dramatic turnaround.
I've always held the belief that the single best way to troll is to simply tell the truth. Everybody hates the truth. That's what lies are for.
So why all the lies and manipulations of the truth?
What about them is right-wing? Nobody ever gives a universally understood answer to that. Here, watch this:
Not all of them. Just some. This is my overall impression, mind you. I also don't see the point of bringing up a dispute with serviscope_minor. They also have their right-wing opinions. As for that second link, when it actually gets to a comment from you, that just appears to be you misinterpreting what other people are actually saying again. I am not going to discuss any specifics of any of it and add yet another tangent to this mess.
Very few people here will admit when they're wrong. I count on it.
I admit when I am wrong quite readily. All it requires is for me to actually be wrong (which I am sometimes) and for the other person to actually point out what specifically I am wrong about. Often, of course, the argument seems to persist after that because you are not wrong that a lot of people on Slashdot have serious fixed-idea problems and, by the time someone has gotten past personal attacks and insults, straw man arguments, goal post shifting, trolling, etc., etc. to actually address the factual basis of what has said, everything about the discussion has grown and they're not done arguing even after the original point is conceded because now they are still arguing about some secondary or tertiary point you made in response to something else you said five layers deep.
Once reason has gone out the window, all bets, gloves, condoms, lube, you name it, are off.
Then why throw reason out of the window right at the start?
Not all people are created equally uninformed. Wouldn't you say?
Now, that's the sort of thing that requires some analysis of what you are actually claiming. A lot hinges on what created means. If by "created" you mean at the moment of conception, then the answer might be that all people are created equally uninformed. However, even then you could argue about what you might call genetic knowledge in human DNA and meta-factors connected to human DNA (plus mitochondria and other hereditary factors) which contains information that might count as one individual being more "informed" than another. If by creation, you mean at some particular point of development, where being "created" means conception, followed by growth, development, acculturation, education, personal activities (basically, past growth and development, just see Bronfenbrenner's theory), then I would agree that not all people are created equally uninformed.
What that has to do with what I said, I have no clue. The point is that you are a self-admitted troll. Unless we have really different understandings of what a troll is, that means that your stated opinions are worthless by definition.
See if you can fill in what comes next:
X, xai, and...
So, the answer was that I'm supposed to tell you what? What a dumb game. So, my point still stands since you aren't saying anything: Musk largely did have control of the whole process and also it's not relevant since it doesn't matter either way for the SEC to be able to investigate.
I mentioned that he was an accountant specifically because you wrote: " just the same as any ordinary accountant might.". Of course your original statement didn't mean much. Therefore my reply to it didn't mean much.
Yes I do. Wow, that argument was easy to counter.
What was that again? I lost my train of thought somewhere in the babble
Largely that your argument that goes (to paraphrase): "HA HA. I'm an insincere troll who is winning because, even though nothing I am writing makes sense, I am wasting your time and believe I am emotionally damaging you!" is pointless because I get a guilty enjoyment about your own ridiculous debasement of yourself.
Ugh. Post too long.
Then don't babble, dingleberry. I've been posting to slashdot for decades and I've never once had to do this.
If you recall, this ended up merging in a post from another thread. In any case I'm allowed to complain about the limitations of Slashdot if I want. There are plenty of ways to either handle posts of any practical length, or provide explicit warnings about the length of posts before submission. Also, by bothering to comment on it, you made the post longer.
I can hear you babbling about discovery already, and no, you only have to produce evidence that you yourself know that you have.
They did know they had it. That's the point. The plaintiff's expert showed that their access was logged. If we had more information, we could probably look into whether the service center fraudulently took their money by taking their money while lying about the services provided (just like any other car diagnostic a service center claims to have done but lies about the results of). Also what "third party" are you talking about? At the point in the case we're discussing, there was just the plaintiff and Tesla. Other parties didn't come in until later.
All a judge can do is order you to turn over evidence to a third party, but that doesn't mean you pay them.
What are you talking about? Judges order defendants in these kinds of cases to pay for third party services all the time. It may end up part of the legal costs the plaintiff has to pay if they lose, but judges are legally allowed to demand it of defendants and do. Defendants can appeal, but seldom do because it's usually better for them that way anyway.
Who? Your customers? That's what's called a qualifier. While I understand that you're in awe of my writing, I didn't put a qualifier there just to look pretty.
Wow. I am definitely not in awe of your writing. I am also definitely not in awe of your reading. Otherwise, you might have been able to understand that my reply was directly to this (since I quoted it alone):
I don't know who you worked for, but your management is kind of dumb if they'll just field data recovery requests from customers even if they're under no obligation to do so.
So it is pretty clearly that "they" who have an obligation in my original sentence refers to my management, who field data recovery requests from customers. The management has an obligation because the customers have service requests that they pay for and this is part of the service they contracted for. See how easy things are if you just read?
What I read about this case was that they brought it to a Tesla service center and just asked one of their techs to see if he could recover it, who attempted to do so in front of them. The tech apparently made a mistake while doing so, namely because he apparently forgot to connect a power line or something akin to it, and concluded it was irrecoverable. So no, it was never really in Tesla's custody. If they were following a proper chain of custody at that point, then it wasn't mentioned anywhere I noticed. I only saw it mentioned after they hired somebody to extract the data from the NAND chips directly.
Aside from the fact that, even if what you were saying were the case, you would be using a strange definition of custody, they certainly should have been following a proper chain of custody at that point, because the hardware actually went from the Florida Highway Patrol yard to the Tesla service center and then back to the FHD. If they were not following and documenting chain of custody, then they were doing something wrong.
You yourself stated that the judge didn't believe this was deliberately withheld.
What I said was that "The judge at the time gave Tesla a total pass allowing that they were just confused, rather than very, very obviously lying." with "total pass" meaning that they were committing multiple felonies and were not referred for prosecution. The judge used terms like "false" and "inexplicable" for what Tesla was claiming. In judge-speak, that means lying. Think of the general form as like this (not an actual quote): "You're lying. I know you're lying, the plaintiff knows you're lying, the jury knows you're lying, and you know you're lying. However, I'm not saying so explicitly. Criminal prosecution of corporations is almost impossible; when it does happen they get civil consequences, not criminal; Every prosecutor and judge up the chain will get mad at me for wasting their time; corporations are de facto allowed to commit perjury. Still, if the jury can read between the lines, the judgement is going to hurt."
...I originally made, a point which I still stand by.
Which was? If I recall, it was when a poster reminded us all of a case where Tesla claimed a drive was corrupted and it turned out it wasn't and it shows that Tesla are liars and you wrote "That doesn't tell you anything at all..." then gave excuses for Tesla that maybe they couldn't technically handle the data recovery? Was that the point? Do you still stand by the idea that Tesla was truly technically incapable of getting the data and are therefore not liars? Even after we have established:
1> The drive was not damaged.
2> Tesla was able to access it.
3> Tesla also had the data on its servers.
4> Tesla maintained the claim about the data for five years.
Are any of those actually in dispute?
[a bunch of nonsense about Stockton Rush and his death sub omitted]
What a feeble excuse. "Incompressible fluid" is a standard term in fluid dynamics, which was under discussion. Simple as that.
You're the one who called me an idiot over your own misstatement. It's not my fault that you kicked yourself in the butt.
I didn't make a misstatement. You tried to claim equivalence to hitting water at high speed to hitting a gas bag. That was idiotic.
IIRC I was going off of your extreme example of a freefall airbag,
Freefalling into water was your extreme example, moron. I was pointing out that your example was stupid by showing that freefall into an airbag is a lot safer than water after you inexplicably brought water into the conversation. Is this all you do, make the conversation ridiculous and then turn around and try to blame the other person for what you did?
I'm not sure what you mean by thick, but I have to presume you're talking about the material, which is also wrong
I am talking about the distance from one side to the other, which is what is normally referred to when someone mentions thickness. Use "chamber depth" if you like, but don't pretend to be confused. I meant the distance over which the person landing on it is decelerated.
Peak car airbag pressure is specified between 5-12 PSI, which is well into the kilopascal range.
Look, whatever nonsense you keep trying to pin on me, like that I brought up free falling in the first place, or that I am somehow claiming that air bags are like bouncy castles, etc. I don't understand the point of this nonsense. About 5-12 PSI is what I came up with too. Not a very high pressure. Also, from your own post "peak" pressure after inflation. It starts deflating as soon as you hit it. Once again, my point was that one of the major goals of the airbag is to make the deceleration of the crash victim gradual, to lower the G-forces. Which is exactly what they do. Ironically, you focused on the bag conforming to the victim's shape, to spread out the forces, which I also agreed was part of the goal. However, you keep on trying to somehow emphasize that airbags have some supposedly high pressure (which 5 to 12 psi really isn't), but you haven't considered that the problem with a really high pressure airbag would be that it wouldn't conform to your face. You're just so focused on trying to attack the other person's position, that you forget to have one of your own.
Again, this comes from your mistaken belief that airbags are meant to reduce g-forces
Not mistaken. Then you provide another link that supports my point that increasing the distance over which you slow down in order to reduce g-forces is a large part of the point of safety devices like seatbelts and airbags. Add that to the link you provided on crash safety with and without airbags and/or seatbelts that concluded that both together was safest.
If you don't see why it's relevant, especially given how I specifically worded it, you only have yourself to blame.
No, I have you to blame for not making a relevant point.
No I didn't. You brought up airbags in the first place, then wouldn't let it go.
Take the MCU for example -- anything from a coffee cup to an iphone to a 120cf steel air tank (something I commonly carry for diving) can fly into that and destroy it.
Can it? Aside from the fact that you are apparently carrying these things around unsecured, asking to be killed in a crash, can you actually tell me what obstacles these things are punching through on the way to the MCU?
Remember how I explained this earlier, and then you kept going on about g-forces?
Your memory appears to be as deranged as the rest of you. I didn't keep "going on about g-forces", I simply responded to you. You're driving all of the nonsense that diverged from the original point, which was that companies that can't manage some sort of data recovery in house can always hire outside, in response to your defense of Tesla that maybe they just didn't have the expertise (both negated now anyway by the knowledge that outside help was never actually necessary).
That was hilarious! Good times, good times!
You are such a tryhard.
Like the way you jump to conclusions, for example.
What you might call my conclusions are driven by the data. The term "conclusion" might not be accurate to use though, since nothing is ever 100% certain.
I would chalk it up to you misunderstanding what I'm saying
I would say pot, kettle, black, etc. except of course that since you're a troll, your claims about what you believe I am saying are probably deliberately wrong. After that, you babble on about how I supposedly babble. As always though, basically everything I have written in this thread is in response to you and all the ridiculous directions you go off in to avoid ever admitting to being wrong. An accusation you throw at others, but that you know is especially true of yourself.
What's even weirder is that you then draw conclusions based on details that you don't even know, rather you just think you know.
An attack without evidence. How atypical for you.
And ONLY after you specified a particular incident. Am I getting through to you yet?
Uh, no. We knew from this post which precedes either of our posts on the thread, that the drive was undamaged enough that the data could be extracted. It's ironic that you're making claims now about what was reasonable to infer at that point in time considering that you were defending Tesla as not having the internal experience to recover the drive when all you knew at that time from the previous poster was that Tesla had lied about the data being unrecoverable. You have gone to ridiculous lengths to defend Tesla against the indefensible.
No, you really don't. And look at that, I turned your two posts into one. Anyways I realize I just spent two hours verifying some details about airbags that I wasn't certain about. I'll let you get away with time waste-trolling me here, but next time I'm going to cut you off mid-babble again.
Easy enough to do since you continuously lengthen the conversation and leave me to reply to you, but selectively ignore responding to anything you can't handle. Also, not my fault that you're obsessed with airbags. They are irrelevant to the conversation as my first post regarding airbags in response to yours stated.