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Buying Twitter 'is Not a Way To Make Money,' Says Musk (theverge.com) 166

Speaking for the first time since news broke of his attempts to buy all of Twitter, Tesla CEO Elon Musk said his offer had been made for the public good. From a report: Musk emphasized that he was motivated by the public interest value of the platform. "Twitter has become kind of the de facto town square. So it's just really important that people have both the reality and the perception that they're able to speak freely within the bounds of the law," Musk said. Musk was speaking at TED 2022 conference in Vancouver. Asked why he wanted to buy Twitter, Musk opened with a joke. "I don't know," Musk told a live audience. "A little bird tweeted in my ear or something." To protect that venue, Musk went on to say he believes Twitter should "open source the algorithm" in order to build trust and ensure availability. "The code should be on Github so people can look through it," Musk said. Musk insisted that buying Twitter wasn't an economic move for him. "This is not a way to sort of make money. My strong intuitive sense is that having a public platform that is maximally trusted and broadly inclusive is extremely important," he says. "So the future of civilization, but you don't care about the economics at all." Musk said he has a Plan B if Twitter rejects his offer, without offering more details.
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  • by Mal-2 ( 675116 ) on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:08PM (#62446984) Homepage Journal

    Buying a newspaper isn't about the money either, because it's very hard to be profitable in that sector. Yet people do it, because it gives them outsized influence on the conversation. I think this should be looked at in the same light -- an attempt to influence the conversation, without explicitly being seen as part of it.

    • If he's honest about open-sourcing the algorithms, then it's hard to see it as an attempt to influence the conversation.

      • by Xenx ( 2211586 )
        By his very admittance he is looking to change the nature of the conversation. That itself is an attempt to influence the conversation. That isn't to speak of whether that is good/bad. It just merely is.
        • by drnb ( 2434720 )

          By his very admittance he is looking to change the nature of the conversation. That itself is an attempt to influence the conversation. That isn't to speak of whether that is good/bad. It just merely is.

          When influencing a conversation is to let both sides speak within the bounds of the law, that is a good thing.

          • by Xenx ( 2211586 )
            Theory and practice are not the same. This is especially true online. If there is zero censorship, people will abuse it for the sake of abusing it. I would not necessarily call that an improvement. If there is any censorship, it's not truly open.
            • by drnb ( 2434720 )

              Theory and practice are not the same. This is especially true online. If there is zero censorship, people will abuse it for the sake of abusing it. I would not necessarily call that an improvement. If there is any censorship, it's not truly open.

              Again, "zero censorship" is a misrepresentation. He clearly refers to lawful speech.

              • by Xenx ( 2211586 )
                By zero censorship, I mean not censoring lawful speech. Lawful speech is pretty broad. There is, however, a large segment of lawful speech that would not be desirable to most people.
      • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

        Except there is no reason to believe he's honest, plus even if there was "open-sourcing" of an algorithm, there's no reason to believe it would be the deployed algorithm, whatever that means. We would have no visibility into code actually running, so whatever is on GitHub is meaningless.

        Open source makes code available to you, it does not tell you what code other people use. Musk is a con man, this is a con.

      • Open sourcing the code changes little about the moderation policies of the company he wants to own.

      • If he's honest about open-sourcing the algorithms, then it's hard to see it as an attempt to influence the conversation.

        Unless he genuinely wants to make it better for the community - not the shareholders (which would only be himself). That's clearly a positive influence.

        And just because someone can outsource it doesn't mean Twitter would be replaced. Brand loyalty (and human laziness/aversion to change) matter.

      • by drnb ( 2434720 )

        If he's honest about open-sourcing the algorithms, then it's hard to see it as an attempt to influence the conversation.

        Not quite, with machine learning based "algorithms" things are pretty indecipherable. Of course looking at the machine learning training data might help spot bias intentionally inserted into the machine learning system.

    • I think this should be looked at in the same light -- an attempt to influence the conversation, without explicitly being seen as part of it.

      When I was 12 I did and said a lot of stupid things.

      Elon Musk is a 12 year old, with 150 Billion Dollars.

      • by shanen ( 462549 )

        Mod parent Funny but true. We should all be so lucky?

      • by drnb ( 2434720 )

        I think this should be looked at in the same light -- an attempt to influence the conversation, without explicitly being seen as part of it.

        When I was 12 I did and said a lot of stupid things. Elon Musk is a 12 year old, with 150 Billion Dollars.

        That works. We have 8 year olds moderating twitter.

    • > Yet people do it, because it gives them outsized influence on the conversation. I think this should be looked at in the same light -- an attempt to influence the conversation, without explicitly being seen as part of it.

      That's pretty much what Twitter already does, given that it has long been known that they censor trends.

      • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

        Sure, but that wasn't the question. I was saying why Elon Musk might want a piece of that. Out-Bezos Bezos.

  • by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:10PM (#62446990)
    I think Musk is just trolling and/or using this to pump the value of the stock he purchased in order to flip it. I don't think he could meaningfully change Twitter in the way that people thinks he might want to, but he can make them believe that he will and their imaginations are far worse than any reality he could inflict on them.
    • by Xenx ( 2211586 )
      If he owned Twitter I could absolutely see him changing it in the way he claims. I just don't necessarily know whether it would survive the change. Not to say he couldn't have alternative motivation, but I could absolutely see him going through with it.
  • by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:10PM (#62446992)
    Coming from a person who is known not to speak within the bounds of the law..
  • Interesting news (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:15PM (#62447014) Homepage Journal

    News about Musk and Twitter is rapidly changing.

    The Saudi Prince just declined [twitter.com] the offer, he's a 5% owner, and the announcement is sending waves around the news cycle.

    Twitter stock was up today, but has fallen.

    Musk has stated that he has a "plan B" if his offer is rejected, and Twitter management is scrambling to implement a poison pill [zerohedge.com] plan to prevent a takeover.

    (For reference: a poison pill refers to a tactic taken by a company to make takeovers difficult. There are several tactics available, but the most common is to pass a resolution saying something like: if Musk reaches 30% ownership, the company will issue more stock and offer it to everyone *except Musk* at a steep discount. Surprisingly, singling out a specific person in this way is legal.)

    All this is highly entertaining. It almost looks as if Musk is playing some sort of elaborate game, causing much mayhem with very little effort.

  • The public good? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by zarmanto ( 884704 ) on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:15PM (#62447018) Journal

    I don't think I'm alone in this opinion: I'm pretty sure there are quite a few significantly more effective ways that ~40 billion US dollars could be used to serve the public good.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by grasshoppa ( 657393 )

      Then get rich and spend 40b in whatever way you feel would best serve the public good.

    • by Xenx ( 2211586 )
      Arguably, free open discourse is one of the best ways to assure the public good over time. That isn't to say that I disagree with you in this particular case. I'm just saying that if Elon is doing this with sincerity then it's reasonable for him, and others, to see it as a significant improvement to the public good.
    • there are quite a few significantly more effective ways that ~40 billion US dollars could be used to serve the public good.

      Maybe that is true, but opinions differ on what constitutes the public good. It's called politics. To make my position clear, I am very much in favour of supporting ordinary working folks, and those less fortunate than me, and I am not sure owning an organisation like Twitter would help with that in a direct way. However, Twitter is a political tool, so maybe it could do some good, in the right hands.

  • by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:16PM (#62447022)

    Then he should just buy Slashdot instead.

    Every other story is about him anyway, it's exactly what he wants!

    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      Mod parent funnier. But I'm still searching for the popcorn-worthy comments...

      And what's with the artificial scarcity of mod points these years? Maybe the new owners of Slashdot are planning to sell them as NFTs?

    • Damn it, you beat me to the punch. But I'll bet the "C - celeb' level social networks like Reddit, are salivating at this engineering rube walking in from the real world with a wad of cash burning a hole in his pocket. Reddit's like, if we IPO we'll be lucky to pull in a few hundred million in this climate. Hell, /stocks is worth more than Reddit itself. We'll gladly take just $2 billion from Elon and leave the courage of our convictions in the rubbish bin on the way out.

    • and covered in Hot Grits, with a Greased up Yoda Doll!

      No, I will never let that meme die. Never!
  • by Myria ( 562655 ) on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:19PM (#62447030)

    In effect, he's paying US$43,000,000,000 to unban Donald Trump and other extreme figures on the far right.

    • Trump already has his own social media site, though nobody seems to use it except people looking for righties to troll.

    • Do you have any evidence that Elon Musk is a far right supporter? He seems to be more of an adventurer to me. That would I think imply a libertarian attitude, rather than any kind of authoritarianism.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:21PM (#62447038)
    and power. Over you and me. That's what buying Twitter would do. Let's not forget that Musk used that power to call a man a pedophile and destroy his life when he called Musk out for a dumb idea.

    Musk is very much not a free speech absolutists. He's been caught paying for bots to Stan him on social media, so we already know he puts his thumb on the scale. Buying Twitter is him taking control of media. Similar to how Rupert Murdoch did with TV and newspapers.

    The question isn't, "Is Musk taking more control of our lives?" it's "Do we want him to?". For a lot of folks on this forum the answer seems to be yes...
    • Paying for bots for Stan him on social media is the kind of thing a free speech absolutists would consider a legitimate activity.

      • One of the core tenants of the Free speech absolutists is that the marketplace of ideas should be free, open and transparent. I'm pretty sure that none of the bots Musk paid for were labeled as such. That's the exact opposite of a free marketplace. You can't have a free market where the information in that market is full deceptions. Not just lies but actual deceptions where there's no way to tell that the information being presented is a lie or is not a lie.

        It would be like what would happen at the groc
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Xenographic ( 557057 )

      > The question isn't, "Is Musk taking more control of our lives?" it's "Do we want him to?". For a lot of folks on this forum the answer seems to be yes...

      It's funny that you're only worried about him and not the existing billionaires who own everything.

      Never mind that Twitter is already owned by the prince of a country that hacked apart a journalist/arms dealer with bone saws.

      Also, I'm not sure that guy's life was "wrecked" he got a large settlement and nobody seems to have taken that random tweet serio

      • Because there's a whole lot of people here on this forum who seem to think he's on their side. Most of us understand that Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg aren't our friends. But for some reason Elon Musk gets a pass.

        The argument is usually that he's brought us these wonderful things like the Tesla and SpaceX. But how many people on this forum own or could even afford a Tesla and how many people here have taken a ride on a SpaceX rocket? And are we really better off having SpaceX launch satellites then we w
        • > But for some reason Elon Musk gets a pass.

          Because he hasn't done anything really bad. That'll change if he starts doing something terrible, like say trying to force every computer user in the world to pay him rent.

          > And are we really better off having SpaceX launch satellites then we were having NASA do it?

          Yes. He's doing far better than NASA, as is obvious to anyone.

          > Worse he is campaigning to make it so that tax credits can only be used for luxury electric vehicles which is preventing any fu

    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      Insightfully and well modded.

      But, per my earlier comment, I still think it's about the "gold in them thar hills" of dreck. You don't get as rich as Musk without loving money more than is mentally healthy.

      • I personally think the problem is that the younger generation has so little property and money that they're going to start demanding guys like musk share some of the billions of dollars he's hoarding. He's going to seize control of media so that he can control the conversation and discourage those younger generations from making demands that would cost him money. Rupert Murdoch did the same thing.
    • If Twitter just up and vanished, it would be a net gain for the world.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      and power. Over you and me. That's what buying Twitter would do. Let's not forget that Musk used that power to call a man a pedophile and destroy his life when he called Musk out for a dumb idea.

      Musk is very much not a free speech absolutists. He's been caught paying for bots to Stan him on social media, so we already know he puts his thumb on the scale. Buying Twitter is him taking control of media. Similar to how Rupert Murdoch did with TV and newspapers.

      The question isn't, "Is Musk taking more control of our lives?" it's "Do we want him to?". For a lot of folks on this forum the answer seems to be yes...

      I agree with most of your post but...

      With social media isn't a change in ownership often (perhaps usually) a herald to users abandoning that platform en masse?

      Twitter could be the most expensive white elephant in the world. Sure he could unban Donald Trump, but I'm pretty sure we've all figured out from his less than successful (or even relevant) attempts at his own social media that few people were following Trump, they were following the train wreck around the 45th president. Now the fire's been put

  • I call bullshit! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dark.nebulae ( 3950923 ) on Thursday April 14, 2022 @01:26PM (#62447048)

    Everything Musk has done has been for a profit. Why should we believe this crap from him now?

  • Elon just wants to control his favorite megaphone and tweak for his own ends.

  • It is a stunt to improve your PR so you can start doing the real evil super villainy.
    Someone needs to explain to Musk that Lex Luthor is generally not regarded as a hero in most cases.
  • We could spend $1 billion to allow unicode and another $1 billion to figure out ASCII art abusers

  • by LordofWinterfell ( 90845 ) on Thursday April 14, 2022 @02:55PM (#62447462)

    Elon is not so stupid to know that a total lack of moderation is 4chan. There’s no money there, advertisers wont want their ad next to whatever insanity is being shared.

    So buying twitter and opening it is the step to either making people realize why we need moderation, or to perform his own type of moderation that allows people he agrees with to speak freely.

  • by Ecuador ( 740021 ) on Thursday April 14, 2022 @03:30PM (#62447612) Homepage

    Why wouldn't shareholders take it though? Twitter is past its peak so I doubt they are ever going to get that kind of price. And it's not like it's a super profitable company to count on dividends etc (I just looked it up and it has only been profitable two years in its history - 2018 & 2019). I'd get rid of it while it's time and let Elon do whatever the hell he wants with it - sure, put it all on github!

  • Buy every communications company capable of serving their data centers and cut them off for violation of the new terms of service.

  • The rocket’s almost fueled up
  • It's a way to make a shit load of money.

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