Oh, Daylight Saving time change, how I love thee:
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And the poll is late. (Score:4, Funny)
Since Europe did have the change over a week ago now.
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I can do better that, we did daylight savings over a month ago... in the other direction! (New Zealand)
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Who tells you what time it is. JEWS do.
Your method sounds very inefficient. Most people just get a watch.
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At first, this seems to be pure anti Semitic hate speech. But on second thought, there might be something to this DST plot [darwinawards.com]
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No, he wasn't.
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I think its about time we got rid of this antiquated throwback to an earlier timezone
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I live in Edmonton, Alberta.
Around this time of year it is 8 a.m. before the sun thinks about rising.
The "Fall back" brings sunrise back to around 7.
Works for me!
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Not so much.
At the shortest day ( December 22nd) our sunrise is 8:48 a.m. and our sunset at 4:17 p.m.
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Since Europe did have the change over a week ago now.
We used to do it then too, until Bush pushed it up a week in the spring and back a week in the fall as a response to high oil prices. It was basically his entire energy policy. It made no sense then, it makes no sense now, but we still have it as a twice-yearly reminder of what life was like under the reign of the Idiot Prince.
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We used to do it then too, until Bush pushed it up a week in the spring and back a week in the fall as a response to high oil prices. ...
Perhaps, but not the only reason.
Many also cited kids dying on Halloween night after getting struck by cars in the darkness. More light in the evenings until just after the holiday saves lives. This year the news only reported 3 trick-or-treating deaths from vehicle/pedestrian crashes in our city, I remember a few years back reading news when 8 were struck and killed by vehicles.
For that reason alone, having seen a drop in child deaths in my city, the tiny inconvenience of resetting some clocks is worth t
Correlation does not imply causation... (Score:2)
...especially with only a single data point that is anecdotal.
Re: And the poll is late. (Score:2)
No it isn't (Score:2, Troll)
A child does not take that many man-hours to create. I would imagine that if you summed all the extra effort forced on everyone else, it would amount to more than that required to simply create new children to replace those lost.
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This is Slashdot. You must not post anything that is less than a week old.
Didn't you get the memo?
love it (Score:4)
going back to non saving time is great, finally a day with nearly enough hours in it! (my natural wake/sleep pattern must be well over 24 hours)
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It's really bad for those of us with sleep/rest related illnesses. I suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (also known as ME) and twice a year the clock change screws up my routine and coping mechanisms for a few weeks. We should just drop it.
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It's really bad for those of us with sleep/rest related illnesses.
Are you really sensitive to 15 minutes of sleep difference?
* Friday night shift your sleep by 15 minutes.
* Saturday night shift your sleep by 15 minutes.
* Sunday night shift your sleep by 15 minutes.
* Monday night shift your sleep by 15 minutes.
Or if you have even more sensitivity, stretch it out over six days from Wednesday to Tuesday, just 10 minutes different every night.
I can understand the need for consistency, but if you know it is going to be a problem you can take it in much smaller, more mana
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I actually do it in 5 minute steps, and it's still a pain in the arse. I'm going to try five minutes per week next time. CFS really is like that.
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If you adjusted by 20 seconds per day, you'd always be adjusting in one way or the other.
CFS sucks and normal people don't get it. When they say they are tired they mean, "I could only get up and mow the lawn and stay up another couple hours. Yawn. I'm tired." When a CFS person says, "I'm tired" it means "I feel like I'm dying. I have to lay down now. It feels like you are killing me to keep using my energy."
The ATP cycle is measurably impaired in people who suffer from CFS. Normal is 100%. Many C
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That's a good summary of it, thanks. I wake up in the morning feeling like I ran a marathon and need to rest, and then it's downhill from there. Daylight savings time is just one more thing to deal with that is completely unnecessary.
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Then don't change your clocks. You can use this as an opportunity to tell the rest of the world to go fuck itself.
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Must be. I at least hate the notion of it being dark when I leave the office. I'd vastly prefer it if the time never changed, but we'd stick with DST all year.
I'd rather it was dark going home than dark at 9am.
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Right now, "dawn" is roughly 6am. Even if it were still Daylight Savings Time, that means dawn would still be about about 7am. It's only dark at 9am if you live way way north.
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I want my daylight in the evening after work (Score:2)
I'd rather it was dark going home than dark at 9am.
So you are saying you are a hermit who never leaves the house after work? Personally It could be dark until quitting time and I'd be fine with that. I want as much daylight in the evening after work as I can get. I live on the western edge of a time zone and with DST in place it is light until almost 10pm in June which is awesome. I have no need for daylight at 5am and neither do most people.
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I'd rather it was dark going home than dark at 9am.
So you are saying you are a hermit who never leaves the house after work? Personally It could be dark until quitting time and I'd be fine with that. I want as much daylight in the evening after work as I can get. I live on the western edge of a time zone and with DST in place it is light until almost 10pm in June which is awesome. I have no need for daylight at 5am and neither do most people.
I'm not saying I never go out, I'm saying I don't like waking up while it is still dark. Even if we kept DST it would be dark this time of year by the time I get home from work, usually around 18:15-18:30. If we didn't move back from DST for the winter I would never get to see the sun Mon-Fri.
Dark to Dark (Score:2)
I'm not saying I never go out, I'm saying I don't like waking up while it is still dark.
I don't like it either but I'd still prefer it over having it be dark in the evening.
Even if we kept DST it would be dark this time of year by the time I get home from work, usually around 18:15-18:30.
I get up before the sun and get home after it sets every winter myself. DST wouldn't change that for me around the solstice but in February and March it would make a difference. I don't have any use for more daylight in the morning but I'd prefer as much as practical in the evening.
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if there really was this demand to be up earlier then businesses would just open an hour earlier
The "9 to 5" culture is ingrained so deeply in American businesses, the idea of being open at any other hours seems anathema. I realized long ago that businesses will demand hours in that time range, regardless of when the sun rises, so culturally it's far, far FAR easier to change the time that the sun is in the sky than it is to change what number the hour hand points to when you have to report for work.
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I vote for the 100,000 second day. If spacegoing humanity adopted it, we could stick to the existing measurement systems - KG M S - also known as SI.
There would be no need for DST, BST, CEST or whatever. The US can do ahead with its 6*28hour week and we can smile happily.
The cat says when it's time to wake up (Score:5, Interesting)
Cat alarm doesn't save.
Cat alarm can't tell time.
Cat alarm uses daylight.
It works out. The people I work with are 2 and 7 time zones to the east and 1 to the west.
Part of why farmers hate DST is Cows doing that (Score:3)
The "You're all COWS" troll is welcome to moo in here.
Farmers who've got milk cows tend to hate DST. The cows want to get milked in the morning and evening, and they don't care what time the government told you to pretend it is in their no-longer-accurate attempt to save energy by getting you out of bed earlier in the morning, but even if you don't have cows, there's work that has to get done. And lots of farmers also have day jobs, doing something in town at a store or factory that changes its hours for
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When I was in high school, Congress did some sort of year-round-DST experiment, and it meant walking to school in the dark in the winter. Yuk.
I was in the 2nd grade then. Of course, since we were in the south where winter isn't that cold, and we were 7 and we got to carry (entirely unnecessary) flashlights, we thought it was great.
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But it does require the farmer (farmhands) to distribute the time change over say one or two weeks what works out to some 4 to 8 minutes difference per day, this gradual change is also beneficial to the farm workers.
You don't have to start this gradual change after the clock has been reset, you can start it well in advance.
Let's be realistic, an individual cow isn't milked right on the same hour and minute every day, one day s
DST is best for most people (Score:2)
Farmers who've got milk cows tend to hate DST.
Oh well then we should all do what is convenient for dairy farmers who compose, what... 0.001% of the work force?
Seriously dude, this isn't the 1800s and very few of us work anywhere near a farm. Having daylight in the evening is optimal for the most people. DST should be year round. Having daylight at 5am is of no value to most of us.
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I think you missed the point entirely.
It's actually daylight when the sun comes up, and that's all the cows care about.
Too bad we don't, but instead we try to pretend that what time a clock says on it matters in some way beyond what time a clock says it is.
For the 99.9% of us who aren't dairy farmers, the time on the clock does dictate our schedule and the exact timing of the sunrise is irrelevant.
Given that, it makes more sense to adjust the clock time twice per year than continuously tweak 300,000,000 individual schedules.
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For the 99.9% of us who aren't dairy farmers, the time on the clock does dictate our schedule and the exact timing of the sunrise is irrelevant.
Given that, it makes more sense to adjust the clock time twice per year than continuously tweak 300,000,000 individual schedules.
Exactly, many people do like the seemingly longer summer evenings while they also dislike a very late sunrise in winter.
This is conveniently fixed by the DST system and I fully support it.
I really don't see a significant problem with a one hour time shift every 6 months, I don't know many people that have a fixed bed time anyway (especially in the weekend!), it's just they have to be 'in the office' at an agreed time.
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My kids are the same way, so they were up at 6:15 AM yesterday (and probably today, I'll have to ask the wife).
At least they will go to bed earlier, but I'd rather have them sleep in later.
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One problem with this.... Cat time didn't make the switch-over this morning....
Cats harassed me for a full hour before my alarm was set to go off....
Luckily I am used to this and can make all the necessary threatening gestures while still in a dream state...
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Unfortunately my cat has... an eating disorder, I suppose you could say. She overeats horribly given any opportunity, and I have to strictly control how much food she gets. An automatic feeder would be great if I just had one cat. :-/
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nothing changed here (Score:3)
I live in Arizona you insensitive clod.
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I retired.
I use the sun to tell what time it is.
(Just like my cat)
Re:nothing changed here (Score:5, Funny)
I used to do that too but walking around with a cat strapped to your wrist seems to be frowned on these days.
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As a non-american I have no idea what that means.
But I'd also like to say: I've never experienced DST in my entire life, yet I still hate having to code for it.
So screw DST!
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Wish I had daylight savings.... (Score:2)
As at today the sun came up at 4:55am and will set at 6:06 pm. My children work on the "the sun is awake so I am awake model" and I really really really really really really really don't.
On top of that the two states directly south of me are both on day light savings time, so until early October they were on the same time zone and now they are an hour ahead....
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Just curious - where do you live that has 13 hours of daylight this time of year? We've only got 11 hours of daylight where I live, and we're only a couple hundred miles north of the tropics....
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Brisbane, Australia. Currently we are gaining about 4 mins of daylight per day. Summer solstice will be 22nd of December and be 4:50am to 6:43 pm.
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The fact people further south see much less deviation in daylight between summer and winter than those further north is a good reason to have DST in some places and not necessarily in others.
But the way the modern world is interconnected beyond the city limits or state borders makes a good case for DST in all states.
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Except I live in the southern Hemisphere.... So those people further south see a greater differential.
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Whenever I see an argument for or against DST, I like to know where the writer lives. Where I live, the Sun is overhead about 13 minutes later than the reference meridian, and at 45 N there's more of a change in sunrise and sunset times than further south (well, further south by about 90 degrees of latitude).
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It means it's now getting ligt just before 08:00 andere it's dark again around 17:00.
Our shortest day is about 7 1/2 hrs, the longest nearly 18 hrs.
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As at today the sun came up at 4:55am and will set at 6:06 pm
Luxury! We don't have nearly enough daylight right now. It gets light at about 7 and gets dark about 5:30. Thanks to daylight saving ending. we have adjusted the miniscule amount of daylight that we get from evening, where it might actually be useful for some outside work to morning, where it is totally and completely useless. Now it is dark when I get up and dark when I get off work. And still 6 weeks until Winter solstice.
We should be more like China... (Score:2)
huge waste of resources (Score:4, Informative)
The lighting, due to LED and CFL, are no longer the huge drain on the power grid they once were. Nor are we trying to conserve lamp oil or candle wax or or whatever the original reason was.
At this point I believe that the leadership makes us use DST because they like to see us bow to stupid proclamations without question, it's good practice for when they order us to do something horrible.
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Human life.
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In much of the US east of the Mississippi, there is (or was) a desire to share the same time as Wall Street. This made sense back in the days of telegraphs and telephone based traffic where HOURS mattered (but not before when Solar time was used.) At one point, Detroit, MI (at nearly the eastern most edge of Michigan) shared Chicago's time (sort of.) Frankly, Michigan would be much more comfortable in the Central Time Zone.
These days, with "instant" messaging (and where microsecond delays matter for aut
EST for Michigan (Score:2)
Frankly, Michigan would be much more comfortable in the Central Time Zone.
I live in Michigan and I disagree. I LOVE the fact that we are at the western end of the Eastern Standard Time Zone. Means in June it doesn't get dark until almost 10pm, which is fantastic. If we were in Central time it would get dark an hour earlier in the summer which is of no value to me. I like having as many hours of daylight after working hours as possible.
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Or maybe some of us just like playing in the sun in the afternoons and couldn't give a shit about your lightbulbs.
Power for lighting (Score:2)
The lighting, due to LED and CFL, are no longer the huge drain on the power grid they once were.
Where did you get the idea that lighting is no longer a huge drain on the power grid? In 2014 the US used 412 Billion Kilowatt-Hours [eia.gov] which is about 11% of our annual power usage. That's a huge amount of power by any measure. LEDs and CFLs did not and will not make that problem go away. We have WAY more lights installed than we actually need. We light up empty parking lots, unoccupied buildings, rooms with nobody in them, streets with no cars on them, etc. THAT is a huge waste of resources.
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I have a full spectrum lamp. Not one of the really expensive ones but not a cheap one. I find it helps. I've a sleep disorder (insomnia) and end up being awake at nights and mostly sleeping during every other day or so. The light seems to have improved my mood the times when I've remembered to use it. I don't know if it has any health benefits but I'm less prone to the mild-depression that seems to come with the shorter days. For the curious, when home, I'm a little about the 45th.
You're all lemmings! (Score:2)
Move to AZ, we don't bother changing our clocks and everything still works. The sun rises in the east and sets in the west still. It's amazing!
Messes with my raid times too. Fight the power!!
A Bad Trade (Score:5, Insightful)
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Huh... Don't they move your clocks forward when Daylight saving time starts? As in 5am becomes 6am so that your evenings are lighter for longer?
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He must have meant going to Standard Time.
But yes, the general rule is "Sprint forward, Fall back."
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Ugh. Yes, that.
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Quite. The funny thing is that "Wintertime" as we call it is actually the default time. "Summertime" where we gain light in the evening, is the change.
I for one am sick and tired of this fascism of the early bird. Aside from catching the worm, I suggest the early bird goes and f$#ks itself. As a late person, I want my light in the evening. When, you know, I am awake, productive and generally more cheerful.
Now on /. I wonder... How many folks are with me to abolish the Wintertime / Daylight Savings Time alto
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Better yet, realize that very very many people are actually working 8-4 or 9-5 in an office building and artificial lights at home or at work evens out. Here in Norway at the worst I got light 10 AM - 2:30 PM meaning it's dark when I go to work, dark when I leave so apart from weekends I get zero daylight hours for myself. Personally I'd like to work 1 AM to 9 AM, have leisure time 9 AM - 5 PM and sleep 5 PM - 1 AM. Or swap it around so I have 9 AM - 5PM off, work all evening and then sleep. Unfortunately t
DST all year please! (Score:2)
How many folks are with me to abolish the Wintertime / Daylight Savings Time altogether?
I could not agree more. I have NO use for standard time. I want my sunlight in the evening after work when I can use it. Daylight at 5-6am is of no value to me at all. I REALLY don't understand why anyone would be against using DST all year. Sure there are a few corner cases where someone is inconvenienced far more people would find an additional hour or light after working hours to be useful.
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Going to Daylight Savings I lose an hour of daylight from 5-6 PM, and gain one from 6-7 AM instead. So instead of getting to go home when it's still light outside, I get an hour of light while I'm still asleep. Not exactly the ideal trade.
How the heck does this get modded "+5 Insightful"?? It's precisely backwards, and the parent actually PROVES the point of "Daylight Savings" (such as it is).
The "standard time" is the winter. The "Daylight time" is the summer. Summer introduces "daylight savings" to transfer an hour of time early in the morning (when most people are asleep) to the evening (when most people can use it).
You lost your hour of useful daylight by going back to standard time. If you didn't have "daylight savings" in the s
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You've got it backwards. We are now in standard time. The transition to standard time is when we lose the hour of light at the end of the work day.
Having school-age kids, they would much rather have to wait for the bus in the dark and be able to play outside a little longer after school. I live in one of those weird neighborhoods where the kids all like to play outside.
Likewise, I would rather drive to work in the dark than drive home as the sun is setting, and then not get to ride my bike when I get home.
How DST works (Score:2)
Going to Daylight Savings I lose an hour of daylight from 5-6 PM, and gain one from 6-7 AM instead.
You have that backwards. Going OFF Daylight Saving time loses the hour of daylight in the evening and adds it in the morning. We are on DST from March through November. You are off DST during the winter.
And just to be a little more pedantic, it is Daylight Saving Time [wikipedia.org], not Daylight Savings time. The word saving is not plural so there is no s on the end.
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90% of the population are outside at 6am? Are you crazy? Not till 8am at the very earliest.
We need warmer blankets in winter (Score:2, Insightful)
So we cut off a 10-cm strip from the bottom of the blanket and sew it to the top.
I finally found an advantage to DST. Halloween. (Score:2)
I'm usually annoyed or indifferent to DST but with Halloween falling on a Saturday and being the day before the DST change, it did allow extra time for trick or treating in the early evening. Not that it makes up for the stupidity that is DST but at least I finally found an advantage of DST. Now that that stupidity is over, I need to find a place to ditch all this candy so my kids aren't diabetic before they hit puberty.
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What? Daylight saving is horrible for Halloween. You can't start visiting houses until it is dark, but you still have to be home at the same time.
Halloween was ruined by parents, not daylight (Score:2)
What? Daylight saving is horrible for Halloween. You can't start visiting houses until it is dark, but you still have to be home at the same time.
Big deal. Paranoid parents have ruined Halloween anyway. They all think that people are putting razors and poison in candy despite that being a well known false myth [snopes.com]. I'm old enough to have gone trick or treating without parental supervision. It's a wonder we all survived the experience... [/sarcasm]
Horrible when it starts, great when it ends (Score:2)
It's like hitting yourself with a hammer: it feels good when you stop. The Monday after DST ends is one of my favorite Mondays of the year.
End Democratic Stupid Time (Score:2)
Democratic Stupid Time, noun, Proof of how the minority making it inconvenient for the majority.
End this stupidity of Democratic Stupid Time, aka Daylight Saving Time for once and for all.
Either have:
2 Time Zones (East and West)
or
1 freaking Time Zone. If China can do it while spanning 5 time zones [wikipedia.org], so can North America.
In Saskatchewan, the clock never moves... (Score:2)
We don't switch...but everyone around us does, so it's (almost) as big a PITA as if we did switch.
Now I have to try to remember which of my vendors are ahead an hour and which are on the same time as us...and fix any new meters that got set up with the DST switch enabled by default...
I always wondered about that, how utilities handle DST. Are the customers billed for a 25-hour day on one end, then a 23-hour day on the other end? Or does the time stamp on power meters and such never change, thereby adding
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Are the customers billed for a 25-hour day on one end, then a 23-hour day on the other end? Or does the time stamp on power meters and such never change, thereby adding an extra layer of confusion for reconciliation?
Neither. They bill by the kWh instead of the hour.
Daylight Savings time is like a rope. (Score:2)
Only a government could think cutting a foot off one eond of a rope and sewing it on the other end will make it longer.
DST all the time (Score:2)
Couldn't we "fall back" in the Spring, too? (Score:2)
According to slashdot (Score:3)
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I suspect this is about the same percentage for the rest of the world.
Why do you suspect that? How could you honestly suspect that the population of Slashdot in any way even remotely represents the population of the rest of the world?
Western Australia rejected daylight savings time by a 54% margain in a part of the country with the highest proportion of farmers to city dwellers. The same happened on the other side of the country. When detailed polls are split by region the city dwellers in Australia are overwhelmingly in favor of daylight savings to the point where an idea is
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I suspect this is about the same percentage for the rest of the world.
Why do you suspect that? How could you honestly suspect that the population of Slashdot in any way even remotely represents the population of the rest of the world?
Western Australia rejected daylight savings time by a 54% margain in a part of the country with the highest proportion of farmers to city dwellers. The same happened on the other side of the country. When detailed polls are split by region the city dwellers in Australia are overwhelmingly in favor of daylight savings to the point where an idea is being floated to move Brisbane to a different timezone as the rest of the state. Certainly when a "don't care" option is added to polls the split seems to drop about 1/3rd each way in most polls I've seen that includes Europe.
America? I haven't looked into it. Tech circles? People bitch about changing clocks on technology so it stands to reason that Slashdot is overwhelmingly against it. But if you asked Slashdot you may find quite a bit of support for abolishing the idea of timezones altogether.
Well, you are quite right. It appears that slashdot users are relatively blase about it compared to the rest of America. According to this [accuweather.com] poll, 80% of America wants it to end.
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How about year-round non-DS (real) Time, and just change business hours to something reasonable?
Easier to change the clock (Score:2)
How about year-round non-DS (real) Time, and just change business hours to something reasonable?
Effectively the same thing but a lot harder to implement because it requires every single company to voluntarily adjust. Change the clock and it doesn't matter if they cooperate or not.
DST all year! (Score:2)
Just run on repealing daylight savings time.
I would never vote for someone who wanted to get rid of it. I want DST all year. More hours of daylight in the evening.
That's something everyone can agree on.
I don't agree with that at all. QED you are wrong.
Not joking (Score:2)
I hope you're joking, because otherwise you missed the glaring error in your thinking.
Not joking at all and if there is a flaw in my logic I'm not seeing it.
Still not joking (Score:2)
If it was DST all year then there would be no variation, so there would be no DST, it would just be "The time of day".
Yes there would be no variation but it wouldn't be standard time because noon wouldn't be when the sun is at the highest point in the sky. Whether you switch back or not has nothing to do with whether or not it is DST. DST is just an offset from the generally accepted premise of noon=midday.
You're just saying set the clock back an hour and leave it there.
No, I am saying set the clocks AHEAD an hour and leave it there. Actually I'd be fine with setting them ahead 2 hours even.