Apple Launches iPhone 17 Lineup Featuring Ultra-Thin 5.6mm iPhone Air 87
Apple has unveiled its iPhone 17 lineup, introducing three distinct models targeting different market segments. The iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max feature an aluminum unibody design incorporating a vapor chamber for thermal management, enabling the A19 Pro chip to deliver 40% better sustained performance than its predecessor. Both Pro models include three 48MP cameras offering 8x optical zoom -- the longest in an iPhone -- and an 18MP Center Stage front camera.
The standard iPhone 17 gains ProMotion display technology previously exclusive to Pro models, along with dual 48MP rear cameras and the Center Stage system. Apple introduced iPhone Air as the thinnest iPhone at 5.6mm, built on a titanium frame housing the A19 Pro, N1 wireless, and C1X cellular chips. All models feature Ceramic Shield 2 protection offering three times better scratch resistance than previous generations. The iPhone 17 starts at $799 with 256GB storage, iPhone Air at $999, iPhone 17 Pro at $1,099, and Pro Max at $1,199.
The standard iPhone 17 gains ProMotion display technology previously exclusive to Pro models, along with dual 48MP rear cameras and the Center Stage system. Apple introduced iPhone Air as the thinnest iPhone at 5.6mm, built on a titanium frame housing the A19 Pro, N1 wireless, and C1X cellular chips. All models feature Ceramic Shield 2 protection offering three times better scratch resistance than previous generations. The iPhone 17 starts at $799 with 256GB storage, iPhone Air at $999, iPhone 17 Pro at $1,099, and Pro Max at $1,199.
Yaaaaawnn.... (Score:1, Troll)
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz....
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
just extra thick case so it doesn't sit lopsided.
iPhone Bend (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3)
You're sitting on it wrong.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
And if they have to have a protrusion to make Z-depth for various components, do it like Google did on the Pixel and at least keep one axis of symmetry so that it doesn't rock around or sit and some weird angle if on a tabletop.
I.e. CENTER the camera protrusion instead of having an asymmetric back.
Re: (Score:3)
What is the practical application for a phone lying flat on a table?
If you put the phone in the right case, it will (basically) lie flat on a table.
Re: (Score:2)
What is the practical application for a phone lying flat on a table?
If you put the phone in the right case, it will (basically) lie flat on a table.
What is the practical application for making a phone thinner if part of it is thick and digs into your a**? If you design the phone with a larger case, it will basically run for a week without charging. :-)
Re: (Score:2)
What is the practical application for making a phone thinner if part of it is thick and digs into your a**?
Beats me. I don't put my phone near my ass. I don't even want to know what the practical application for that is either.
Re: (Score:2)
What is the practical application for making a phone thinner if part of it is thick and digs into your a**?
Beats me. I don't put my phone near my ass. I don't even want to know what the practical application for that is either.
Well, I mean, that is the only reason to have a thinner phone is to make it fit in your pocket better, right? So it either digs into your a** or into the front of your leg, but either way, it digs in or wears out your pants or both.
Re: iPhone Bend (Score:3)
The practical application is using the device while it is lying on a flat surface.
If you have to put your thin phone in a case to use it, it's not thin, so there's no point to making it so thin.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Whats the scenario where you do this? Wouldn't you need to be directly over it which seems bad for posture.
I usually do it while scrolling something on my phone while eating lunch at work, where I usually have phone time because I take lunch early and most other people do not. This is only one day a week, so I'm not seriously concerned about my posture. I used to have a big bulky case on my phone at all times, and will probably go back to that, but right now it's caseless. It's a Moto G Power 2021, which is still perfectly adequate in every way except that the Android version is too old and my bank app will soon
Re: (Score:2)
Have you considered buying a new phone just for scanning checks on occasion and continuing to use your current one as your daily driver? Seems like there might be some cost savings and user satisfaction to be had with that approach.
Re: (Score:2)
That's a pretty good idea, I could get e.g. a Tracfone and use it for banking on wifi only. I'd have to do some other banking tasks on the phone as well and would miss being able to do them while I'm out, but I suppose I could always try to call customer service, ha ha ha.
Re: (Score:2)
You could potentially carry the second phone with you, if you could predict when you needed banking functionality, and then just share the WiFi from your current phone as needed, assuming no other wifi was available.
Re: (Score:2)
Well, that's an answer. Thanks.
Not sure how often that is truly necessary, but it's an answer.
For people that need have this use case, the right phone case does solve the problem.
Re: iPhone Bend (Score:2)
For me, once a week.
Not enough to justify a case by itself.
A couple of self adhesive clear rubber feet would cover that use case ok.
I generally use a big bulky case to handle drops.
Re: (Score:2)
Yes, and not just functional but I doing it detracts from the emotional experience for the user.
I have an older iPad which is light and thin and wonderful and all that, except it has a protruding camera. It won't sit flat on a table. I dare not rest my hand on the screen whilst writing because I don't know how much or little force is needed to bend the pad given there's this protrusion in one corner.
And why should I wrap it in a thick case when the back is already metal?
I find it totally stupid.
Re: (Score:2)
I find it incredibly ugly (I am an iPhone user).
I don't like notches in screens either. It's a stupid aesthetic and functional lie.
Oh and the daft Apple TV remote that's too slippery, plus it's hard to tell which way up it is.
I've tended to be a fan of Apple for their design, and that also means I kinda hate them when they screw up the design.
Design is about compromises but don't make the wrong compromises.
Re: iPhone Bend (Score:1)
Re: (Score:2)
I can see it now, "I had my air in my back pocket, now its shaped like a boomerang"
Does it come back to your hand if you drop it?
iPhone Air? Really? (Score:2)
Before every Apple product launch day, the thing I am always looking forward to the most are all the jokes and memes about how Apple has become a parody of itself.
SAMTIME is one of the very best.
His job has been extra easy this year. The jokes about "iPhone Air" practically write themselves.
Re: (Score:1)
The jokes about "iPhone Air" practically write themselves.
Wasn't there a MadTV skit that parodied the idea of an iPhone Air? So light that it could float in the air? I tried searching for it but apparently Steve Jobs and Apple were popular targets for parody and so there's a lot to dig through to get to the skit I'm thinking about. This skit did happen, right?
Just, why? (Score:3)
Re: (Score:1)
I do agree about the c
Re: (Score:2)
Re: Just, why? (Score:2)
I am going to have to replace my 2021 phone which still gets 5 days of battery life because Moto chose not to provide updates and my bank app is not going to support my android version soon.
No battery problems. I even semi regularly plug it in to charge overnight. I only charge it every 3 to 4 days though.
No battery problems 4 years later because it's not an idevice.
Re: (Score:2)
My hand-me-down LG Q6 is about 7 years old, and according to the phone's battery meter it's still good for 12-38 hours with medium power management (depending on how many calls I make in a day) But my mom isn't a big phone user. The flipphone it replaced (thank you Virgin/Bell and all others from preventing it from working around October '25) is probably around 10 years old and was in need of a new battery but still 3-4 hours of talk time.
So yes, batteries can last for more than 3 years depending on usage.
Re: (Score:2)
My Pixel 4a (5g) still works well. Battery life is reduced, but no so much that it is unusable. I have always used a "Chargie" device to limit charging (not needed on newer phones, since this capability is in the latest versions of Android OS).
I keep the phone for its free Google Photos uploads. I have about 100GB of photos and videos in my 15GB Google storage.
Re: Just, why? (Score:2)
Thinner.
Faster? Better? Who cares.
We're telling you what you should care about.
I recall when the earth was still cooling we went to the store and you could see the difference in performance of x vs y. Then one day when you asked about performance you were told, that is irrelevant, you're gonna love the lid on this, or it comes in lime green now.
Re: (Score:2)
How else do you differentiate your product from all the others?
Thinner.
Faster? Better? Who cares.
Cheaper. That's all I care about.
Re: (Score:2)
How else do you differentiate your product from all the others?
Thinner.
Faster? Better? Who cares.
Cheaper. That's all I care about.
And that’s why we have the constant enshittification of things.
Re: (Score:2)
How else do you differentiate your product from all the others?
Thinner.
Faster? Better? Who cares.
We're telling you what you should care about.
And yet after a decade and a half of that crap, still nobody does. What do people care about? Battery life. MacBook Pro M1 was *massively* *thicker* than its predecessor, but people bought it like candy. Why? Battery life.
Apple doesn't get to tell us what we care about. We care about the things that make devices work better for us. Laptops that work all day without charging are an example. Phones that we don't have to charge for days if we're out on a hike are another example.
Make the case thicker.
Re: (Score:2)
You will love thinner, and you will pay for it.
Re: Just, why? (Score:3)
So when it slips from your hand it can float to the floor like a feather.
Re: (Score:3)
Thinner? Why?
Because you can never be too rich or too thin?
Re: (Score:2)
I have a 16 Pro Max with a UAG Monarch case.
One of the things I really like about the case is the extra thickness that it provides, and the texture that it provides. The two of them combine to make the phone really "grippy". The bare phone is way too slippery for me to hold on to, without serious risk of droppage.
Unlike most people (I guess), a "camera bump" doesn't bother me. I don't find any practical issue with it, and I don't particularly care about aesthetic issues (If I did, I wouldn't bury my phone
Re: (Score:1)
Exactly, Make it the same thickness as on of the iphone 12 - 14, and use that extra space for a battery. So I can charge the phone once a week like my old Nokia 3660 from 2001.
Bring minis please. (Score:2)
I still prefer the small and light iPhones like minis and 4S!
thin = EU ban soon when no battery cover! (Score:2)
thin = EU ban soon when no battery cover!
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Because it has nothing else to do.
Ultra Thin with Wings (Score:4, Funny)
I'm holding off until they release it with Wings for extra protection.
Re:Ultra Thin with Wings (Score:4, Funny)
Thin? (Score:2)
So I can put even MORE cards in my wallet-iphone cover?
Re: (Score:2)
The real reason they made it so thin is so that there was more room for the external battery pack you can buy so that your device last all day even if
Re: (Score:2)
same for insurance card
costco card
insurance card because nobody accepts digital anything in a healthcare industry still stuck on fax machines and 20 year old tablet computing devices
1 credit card and 1 debit card. each in case somewhere doesn't take tap to pay.
One burner card, just in case (a prepaid visa bought in cash)
I have a 2nd wallet for all the gift cards, work amex, misc stuff as well
Re: (Score:2)
costco card
You may already know this, but you can use the Costco app on your phone as your Costco card. Personally, I find it way more convenient than carrying around the Costco card, and whipping it out of my wallet when I'm at the store....especially since I'm already using the phone to pay them anyway.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
What do you need more cards for?
Why does it matter?
The entire point of a digital wallet is so that you don't need to carry as many cards.
Uh....not everyone feels that way. Many just appreciate the convenience. I still carry physical credit cards, even though I have the "digital" one on my phone.
Perhaps someday digital IDs will be available and zero card will be a possibility
Only a fool will choose to give his phone to a cop, rather than his driver's license.
but outside of a driver's license, a work ID card, and a credit/debit card for places that can't take payment from the phone, what else do most people need.
They need whatever they feel like they need. Just off the top of my head without thinking about it, I know of two cards I have in my wallet that you didn't mention. If I put a little thought into it....let's see, there's one more....two more....thr
Still plenty of room... (Score:4)
...for a 3.5mm headphone jack.
Re: (Score:1)
...for a 3.5mm headphone jack.
Anyone else remember some drawings, maybe a patent application, that had half of the 1/8" phone jack on the back of an iPhone with the intent that the other half would be completed with a protective case? Oh, and I did call it a 1/8" jack because this is America, we measure things with fractions here, not those commie decimal units.
(Too over the top with the units commentary? It's a joke, I feel like I must point out my jokes because some people can't pick it up otherwise. And, yes, I'm guilty of not g
Re: (Score:2)
...for a 3.5mm headphone jack.
And what do I need one of those for?
Re: (Score:2)
The 3.5mm headphone jack is permanently dead. The ever infamous "they" want to "plug the analog hole" because DRM can not be effectively supplied to an analog device.
Soon, nothing you see or hear will be real. We are more than halfway there already.
Too thick! (Score:2)
I would have bought at 5.2mm.
The case adds 6.1mm so how can they excuse a gargantuan 5.6mm?
Re: (Score:2)
Stupid thin phablets have taken over (Score:2, Insightful)
I want a quality, thick, small, solid phone that won't break when I sit on it or drop it.
But no-one makes them.
Re: (Score:3)
Fuck the sheep who buy this shit. I want a quality, thick, small, solid phone that won't break when I sit on it or drop it.
That's your criteria? You want a phone you can sit on? And I'm a sheep because I don't? Jesus Christ the Internet is full of opinionated idiots.
Re: (Score:1)
Some of those opinionated people have good, valid opinions, like not wanting to have to handle their precious phone like a delicate butterfly at all times.
The rest of those opinionated people are stupid cunts, like you.
Re: (Score:2)
Yes, the Internet is full of opinionated people. Some of those opinionated people have good, valid opinions, like not wanting to have to handle their precious phone like a delicate butterfly at all times. The rest of those opinionated people are stupid cunts, like you.
The discussion is not about handling your phone "like a delicate butterfly". It's about not SITTING ON your phone. If you're willing to equate these actions, then who's the stupid one?
Re: (Score:2)
I keep my phone in my back trouser pocket.
That means when I sit down, I might sit on my phone.
A quality, thick, small, solid phone won't break if I sit on it.
An overpriced, wafer-thin, shiny Apple phablet will.
Now fuck off.
Re: (Score:2)
Oh FFS. I keep my phone in my back trouser pocket. That means when I sit down, I might sit on my phone. A quality, thick, small, solid phone won't break if I sit on it. An overpriced, wafer-thin, shiny Apple phablet will. Now fuck off.
My phone keeps breaking when I sit on it. I blame the phone manufacturer. It isn't stupid to carry in such as way that I can expect it to get broken.
Re: (Score:2)
Because it is a quality, thick, small, solid phone.
Because it is not an overpriced, wafer-thin, shiny Apple phablet.
I can handily put my phone in my back jeans pocket and not worry about breaking it.
I do not have to look stupid with it in a front pocket or have to carry an equally fucking stupid man bag
Because I am not a stupid sheep.
Re: (Score:2)
My phone ... is not an overpriced, wafer-thin, shiny Apple phablet.
I can't afford one of those expensive phones, so I mock people who can by calling them stupid. This does not make me sound bitter and secretly envious.
Re: (Score:2)
I want a quality, thick, small, solid phone that won't break when I sit on it or drop it.
I don't want an expensive and easily broken phablet, only fuckwits like you do.
Re: (Score:2)
<sigh> I want a quality, thick, small, solid phone that won't break when I sit on it or drop it. I don't want an expensive and easily broken phablet, only fuckwits like you do.
This sounds familiar...
The Fox and the Grapes [wikipedia.org]
Adaptive Preference Formation [wikipedia.org]
Re: (Score:2)
Fuckwit.
Re: (Score:2)
Yes, you're right. People who buy products that last actually want products that don't, but won't admit it. Fuckwit.
In your previous post you complained that iPhones were "overpriced". Now you're selectively ignoring that aspect of your argument and focusing on longevity. Guess what? People who don't sit on their cell phones find that they last quite well. Your are intentionally putting your phone in a pocket where you're likely to sit on it, and calling people "stupid cunts" if they buy a phone that can't be sat on. This is an emotional response, not a rational one.
Re: (Score:2)
People who buy overpriced, thin, fragile phablets cannot store them in convenient pockets because they will break.
People who buy thick, small, solid phones can. And do. Because that is convenient.
You stupid cunt.
This is an rational response, not an emotional one.
Re: (Score:2)
FFS. Really ? I am not sure if you are pretending to be this stupid or are actually this stupid. People who buy overpriced, thin, fragile phablets cannot store them in convenient pockets because they will break. People who buy thick, small, solid phones can. And do. Because that is convenient. You stupid cunt. This is an rational response, not an emotional one.
Not emotional? You sound positively apoplectic. As witnessed by the ad hominem nature of your arguments.
A quick review of the epithets you've spewed so far..
sheep
stupid cunt (x2)
stupid sheep
fuckwit (x2)
This discussion has clearly hit a nerve with you, and I would say you're having trouble staying rational.
Let's make it simple. You buy whatever phone suits your preference, based on whatever criteria you want, and stop insisting that people who follow different preferences are stupid.
Re: (Score:2)
2. And in conclusion: You are actually this stupid.
Re: (Score:2)
1. You started your comments with "Jesus Christ [...]opiniated idiots", you stupid fucking cunt. 2. And in conclusion: You are actually this stupid.
I started out with a statement of fact. You are an opinionated idiot. This is not equivalent to trying to win an argument by just calling you stupid over and over and over. (Ad hominem logical fallacy). You have not refuted any of the assertions I made. You just keep evidencing that you have an irrational disdain for iPhone users because they can't SIT ON THEIR PHONES, and insisting that anyone who doesn't share your predilection for sitting on a big fat cell phone is stupid.
Re: (Score:2)
Fuck the sheep who buy this shit.
I want a quality, thick, small, solid phone that won't break when I sit on it or drop it.
Why do you want to sit on your phone?
What other electronics do you like to sit on...other than dildos?
But no-one makes them.
It's not too hard to imagine "sit on my phone" as a niche feature that not enough people are interested in to bother meeting that particular requirement.
I'll spot you "quality". Most people like quality, even if they don't actually want to pay for it.
I think "small" largely fits into the same category as "sit on my phone". Personally, I bet that "small" isn't a feature that enough people are interested in t
Re: (Score:2)
It says a lot that there are so many idiot sheep like you who have been brainwashed into thinking that that is an unreasonable requirement of a device costing hundreds of dollars.
Apple announces more of the same (Score:2, Informative)
Re: (Score:2)
New models of existing products, zero innovation.
It's a phone, man. And they do these new models every year. What do you really expect to see from an annual phone announcement? Wild-ass pie-in-the-sky LSD freebasing here: what would you add to a phone? Let's hear it.
Re: (Score:1)
Ability to de-clothe people in real time when snapping a photo of them. That would be a pretty cool feature.
You know the tech exists. It's just a matter of building it in.
People would pay for that shit - BIGTIME!
Re: (Score:2)
And btw I'd reserve some of the same criticisms for other manufacturers. But Apple are the flagship for e-w
Re: (Score:2)
For what it's worth I agree. Nothing useful, I bought a $129 Motorola phone a couple months ago. That does far more than I actually need.
At work at the chemical plant we used some version of this. Rubber case, covered ports so safe for industrial environments.
https://www.kyoceramobile.com/... [kyoceramobile.com]
Re: (Score:2)
How about they make the phone thinner and put the battery OUTSIDE. everybody needs a case especially when it's so thin and the case should hold the battery. this allows for more options plus battery replacement. that would be innovation. besides, its not like they don't try to exploit the case marketplace by taking a cut of that when they can; this would let them dominate the case market by playing games with compatibility.
Good News Everyone! (Score:2)
Bendgate Part II Coming! (Score:2)
Too expensive, where's the new SE? (Score:2)