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Comment Re:Remove Encryption? (Score 1) 90

Fair enough, I think I've used a Mac for all of 10 hours, or some small amount of time over the last 30-years.

Come on In; the Unix is Fine! ;-)

https://www.howtogeek.com/4415...

https://manp.gs/mac/

https://developer.apple.com/li...

Of course, there are package managers that make this far easier. Here’s a Popular one:

https://brew.sh/

Enjoy!

Get yourself a used M-series Mac mini and have some fun!

Signing up as a Registered Developer is Free, as are the Tools.

This is the Front Door to the Apple Development Multiverse ( 8-D ). This Site is HUGE

https://developer.apple.com/

Comment Re:Remove Encryption? (Score 1) 90

No worries, I like Apple's approach of the unified ecosystem, and being its Unix, that's just a bonus, but, I don't agree with or subscribe to the motives, where you have to submit to hard line tracking and telemetry collection. Apple gets credit, they don't lie, they don't hide, they don't obscure, they're honest. They've built objectively great hardware, but it's locked in, locked out, and I can't support that.

Well, I respect your opinion; but in my 50 years of being an Apple User (and the User of other Platforms) I have found that their superior security and almost total lack of Malware, as well as their best-in-class OSes and unbeatable Integration to be well-worth any unobtrusive and anonymized data collection they may do for their own marketing and product development purposes.

Comment Re:Remove Encryption? (Score 1) 90

Exactly, changes have to happen, so just move your data and be happy. It's not a weekly, monthly, or even yearly thing. This is a once every decade change, and who can really complain? I'm sure some outlier exists that has a very specific reason to need HFS+, but the vast majority of people can't truly be affected. Even if you have a 30TB volume you would need to move, just buy a drive from Amazon, do the move, then return the drive. For some odd reason, Amazon will let you do that, not really sure why, but you can even be honest about it in the return information.

Not only that, but HFS+ Timestamps simply run out of Dynamic Range in 2040; so. . .

Buy a nice 12 TB HDD from Amazon, do your Conversions, then either return it or turn it into your new Time Machine Backup Drive!

Comment Re:Remove Encryption? (Score 1) 90

What a great idea to remove one of the most used filesystems from your kernel. Apple really doesn't care about what their users want and need.

HFS+ Support isn’t going anywhere. Just the HFS+ Encryption Support!

Who knows what will happen when HFS+ Timestamps run out of Dynamic Range in 2040? But until then, Unencrypted HFS+ Volumes continue to enjoy Full Read/Write/Format Support!

In the meantime, this is the recommended answer:

https://support.apple.com/en-u...

Comment Re:Remove Encryption? (Score 1) 90

I think Apple should have converted to ZFS in the first place, APFS kind of feels like they decided to re-invent the wheel and missed out on some important stuff (like block checksums) in the process. I still think it's reasonable for them to drop HFS+ encryption support and tell people to convert the drives to APFS if they want to keep doing it, though.

They really tried to convert to ZFS.In fact, there was even ONE version of OS X that had experimental Support for it.

Problem was, not only was ZFS not ready for prime time (not supporting Booting, plus large RAM requirements and several Bugs being a few of the problems), But the real Deal-Killer.was the fact that, just about the time Apple started getting serious about ZFS, along came Oracle. . .

Apple in no way wanted to be beholden to the whims of Larry Ellison; so, with that, they rolled-up their sleeves, and spent about a Decade developing APFS in secret. They secretly rolled it out to iOS Users first, then after a couple of years, Made it the Mainline Filesystem for macOS, starting with macOS 10.14 (Mojave) in 2018.

The rest is a pretty happy story. If there were any real horror stories, I don’t think I ever heard them!

Comment Re: Remove Encryption? (Score 2) 90

I don't doubt that you've worked on bad code, but Apple has more money than God and can afford the developer time to fix it.

The reason why they have that money is that they know when and where to spend it.

Rewriting HFS+ Encryption from the ground-up to support the 1,000 Users worldwide that somehow live in a tiny nexus of those still relying on HFS+Encrypted Volumes; yet for some unfathomable reason, cannot simply convert those Volumes to APFS, with or without Encryption.

Apple has a Step-by Step Tutorial on the Process:

https://support.apple.com/en-u...

  Better hurry; you only have TWO YEARS to get it done!

Comment Re:Remove Encryption? (Score 1) 90

My guess, and I don't use macOS, or any Apple product, they want to remove the encryption code to clean up possible future security issues. I would bet they have a separate process / driver just to handle HFS+ encryption, that's not being maintained, or, can't be maintained due to previous compatibility requirements, so they're just forcing users to move.

Realistically, it's not that rare to change your secure volumes, or move them between services. Changing from VeraCrypt to KDE Plasma Vaults, or, changing the encryption standard in use, something I've done a few times. Supporting legacy just sucks, and there are times when you simply have to, but if you can prevent legacy support, do it.

You’re exactly correct.

And to make it even clearer, apparently the HFS+ Encryption handling was kind of spaghetti-coded into several places in the OS; and with Apple doing a big push to remove all x86 Support by 2028, I’m sure there has been an additional directive to identify other things that should be looked at while they have the hood open. . .

APFS Encrypted Volumes aren’t going anywhere; nor is full Read/Write/Format support for regular HFS+ Volumes.

Time marches on. . .

Comment Re:Remove Encryption? (Score 1) 90

They're not removing encryption support

Except they are. That is the one and only thing they are doing. They just aren't removing it from filesystems you care about, and you don't care about other people.

They're only dropping it from their deprecated 1990s-era filesystem.

And yet they are not dropping support for that filesystem without encryption, which is why Apple is literally doing what you said they are not doing. Not only can't you handle more than one button, you also can't handle more than one idea.

Oh just stop it!

They are removing HFS+ Encryption Support because it was apparently a bit of a Kludge; with pieces-parts scattered in Several places in the OS. With the current push to remove all vestiges of x86 Support from macOS in time for macOS 28, I’m sure there was a general call within Apple to also look for deprecated or poorly-implemented stuff for review. II just seems pretty logical to remove some ugly Deprecated Kruft at the same time, no?

OTOH, The reason why general HFS+ Support remains should be obvious to anyone that doesn’t have an agenda to cast every single thing that Apple does as some sort of nefarious plot ; HFS+ was the Flagship Filesystem for Macs going all the way back to the 68k Days. Can you imagine the backlash from Users if they suddenly couldn’t read their legacy (and not-so-legacy) Data?!?

Sheesh! What a Maroon!

Comment Re:Remove Encryption? (Score 1) 90

What could possibly go wrong?

Apple is becoming more MS every day.

They are removing support for the Deprecated HFS+ Encrypted Volumes ONLY.

APFS Encrypted Volumes aren’t going anywhere.

Apple moved from HFS+ to APFS as their Frontline Filesystem for macOS With macOS Mojave (10.14), back in 2018. They actually switched iOS to APFS a few years earlier. Starting with Mojave, Boot Volumes were automatically formatted as APFS.

The sky did not fall. . .

Also, Non-encrypted HFS+ Volumes continue to enjoy full read/write/format support in macOS, and there is no reason to expect that to change anytime soon.

From what I have read, the code that implemented HFS+ Encrypted Volumes was kind of scattered around in several places in macOS, and Apple is currently digging through their OS Code in preparation for final removal of x86 Support in 2028, and consequently, it probably seemed like a good time to do some general housecleaning.

At this point, Apple is giving Users plenty of time to Unencrypt any Encrypted HFS+ Volumes they have, and Move them to APFS.

At this point, APFS is quite sufficiently Battle-Tested.

Comment Re:Macs no longer contain T2 chip (Score 2) 90

T2 chips were only in Intel-based Macs. The last one came out in 2020.

So much disinformation about Macs here....

APFS is a well respected (by the experts) file system design. While I wish Apple directly provided and supported Linux and Windows APFS drivers, that was never their responsibility, but there are 3rd party drivers available.

Too bad APFS doesn't support data checksums.

Apple moved the T2 Functionality directly Into the Apple Silicon SoCs. Even more secure.

As for Data Checksumming, Apple trusts the ECC built into their SSDs to take care of that Task.In their own words, “Our Storage doesn’t Return Bad Data.”

It’s pretty well agreed that actual Bit-Rot-Style Data Corruption in SSDs is all but unknown.They tend to work perfectly, or not at all. So, ZFS-style Data Scrubbing is nothing but a waste of Resources with APFS.

They do, however, Checksum the MetaData of Filesystem Objects.

Here’s a fairly decent explanation of Apple’s Rationale for its design decision regarding Checksumming:

https://ahl.dtrace.org/2016/06...

So much closed-minded thinking regarding Macs around here. . .

Comment Re:The T2 chip may be the reason (Score 2) 90

The T2 security chip supports/enables APFS encryption (storing the keys in the secure enclave). HFS+ encryption is not directly supported by the T2 security chip hardware. So, if you want to trust the (Apple ecosystem) encryption, you need to move APFS.

APFS is a well respected (by the experts) file system design. While I wish Apple directly provided and supported Linux and Windows APFS drivers, that was never their responsibility, but there are 3rd party drivers available.

DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!

That (T2 incompatibility) is exactly the reason! Plus, I wonder if some of that code was never converted/can’t be converted to ARM?

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