xAI Releases Its Latest Flagship Model, Grok 3 (x.com) 139
xAI has launched Grok 3, the latest iteration of its large language model, alongside new capabilities for its iOS and web applications. The model has been trained on approximately 200,000 GPUs in a Memphis data center, representing what CEO Elon Musk claims is a tenfold increase in computing power compared to its predecessor.
The new release introduces two specialized variants: Grok 3 Reasoning and Grok 3 mini Reasoning, designed to methodically analyze problems similar to OpenAI's o3-mini and DeepSeek's R1 models. According to xAI's benchmarks, Grok 3 outperforms GPT-4o on several technical evaluations, including AIME for mathematical reasoning and GPQA for PhD-level science problems.
A notable addition is the DeepSearch feature, which combs through web content and X posts to generate research summaries. The platform will be available through X's Premium+ subscription and a new SuperGrok tier ($30/month or $300/year), with the latter offering enhanced reasoning capabilities and unlimited image generation. To prevent knowledge extraction through model distillation -- a technique recently attributed to DeepSeek's alleged copying of OpenAI's models -- xAI has implemented measures to obscure the reasoning models' thought processes in the Grok app. The company plans to release the Grok 2 model as open source once Grok 3 achieves stability.
The new release introduces two specialized variants: Grok 3 Reasoning and Grok 3 mini Reasoning, designed to methodically analyze problems similar to OpenAI's o3-mini and DeepSeek's R1 models. According to xAI's benchmarks, Grok 3 outperforms GPT-4o on several technical evaluations, including AIME for mathematical reasoning and GPQA for PhD-level science problems.
A notable addition is the DeepSearch feature, which combs through web content and X posts to generate research summaries. The platform will be available through X's Premium+ subscription and a new SuperGrok tier ($30/month or $300/year), with the latter offering enhanced reasoning capabilities and unlimited image generation. To prevent knowledge extraction through model distillation -- a technique recently attributed to DeepSeek's alleged copying of OpenAI's models -- xAI has implemented measures to obscure the reasoning models' thought processes in the Grok app. The company plans to release the Grok 2 model as open source once Grok 3 achieves stability.
Only the generous survive (Score:5, Insightful)
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Grok is another also-ran. It's always playing catchup, and I've not seen any sort of meaningful innovation out of them. Almost nobody runs it outside of the Musk-O-Sphere.
Maybe he'll eventually brute force his way to relevance with all of those massive GPU orders he's made; I guess we'll see. But at least for now, this field is more a question of innovating talent.
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Wow, they passed GPT-4o, a model whose base is nearly a year old, isn't an LRM, and uses 2/3rds as many parameter.
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Grok is another also-ran. It's always playing catchup, and I've not seen any sort of meaningful innovation out of them.
But does it matter?
These AI talkbots all seem to do the same thing for 99% of the users. If you want to get a recipe or write a blog post, any of these AI platforms get the job done.
It's like asking a non-techie to tell the difference in how Chrome, Safari and Firefox render a web page.
Are there differences? Sure, at the edges.
Do these differences really matter? To most people, no.
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Chatbot Arena in practice functions mainly as (A) a measure of how new the model is, and (B) what it's refusal rate is like (people vote down models for refusals). And Grok 3 has 314B parameters, so barely beating Gemini 2.0 Flash thinking with its estimated 20-30B parameters, is... I guess it's "something"?
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If they were to open source their weights and methods they would reap enormous benefits through collaboration with other AI companies and interested individuals. Instead they obfuscate, limiting themselves to in-house innovation only. The world is moving too fast for that. I'm predicting Grok will fall behind until and unless they change this policy.
Funniest part of this whole thing: Musk is publicly upset OpenAI isn't open. His AI company? Not open.
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I.e., I don't think he's upset that OpenAI isn't open (you don't hear him complaining about Gemini or Claude...) but rather that he provided startup funding to something that claimed it would be open, and now he's competing (xAI) against the resulting work.
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Can I use this to... (Score:2, Funny)
Can I use this to...
Fire blind civil servants?
Attack blind civil servants?
Fire nuclear weapon maintainers?
Inflame culture war issues?
Neg hot women who DM me because of my money and then seduce them for me so I can have another out of wedlock child?
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Pretty sure it already is used for that.
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Unironically yes to all.
The most interesting part in the whole current debacle about corruption and gross incompetence within bureaucracy is that much of it relied on "too much information to parse" to stay hidden.
Current gen AI is literally "big data machine learning". Its specialty is ingesting a very large body of data, training on it, and then collating short, coherent outputs on specifics of that data. It's the scissors to the bureaucratic red tape. And so it actually enables cleaning out a lot of bure
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Current "AI" is nothing of the sort. Its specialty is ingesting a very large body of data, making tables of probabilities of seeing certain things next to other things, and generating thing-like pictures that look like the data it has ingested.
Without the pre-existing data, generated by real intelligence, the "AI" is useless.
Not being applied with understanding of the underlying math, it is a waste that produces thing-like artifacts that may look like something real, but actually aren't.
But the dumber among
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Its specialty is ingesting a very large body of data, making tables of probabilities of seeing certain things next to other things, and generating thing-like pictures that look like the data it has ingested.
Incorrect.
It's a universal function approximator.
That curve it's designed to fit is what is asked of it.
If you train an ANN to do basic math, the weights and applied sigmoids will learn to directly do that math. It isn't a table of probabilities.
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There is not a lot of corruption to be rooted out.
This is an outright lie invented by Trump and musk to justify removing the controls that prevent corruption.
All large organisations are inefficieny. No one has any secret sauce for changing that, but if you believe they do then can I also interest you in a bridge I have for sale?
Now there are a few things the government tends to do less efficiently than large organisations, and that's spending money externally. And the reason for that is without strict controls people live giving big contacts to their nephew or son in-laws business. So the one inefficiency they can remove is the one that prevents corruption and profiteering. And that's the one they do want to remove.
Large organisations are complex. You can have no key employees: the expectation is the government will exist long after everyone currently working there is dead. And it must keep working, bankruptcy, be winding up or simply collapsing is also not an option. Communication overhead is high, you can't have a free for all and you can't even kid yourself that you're hitting only the top 1%. Literally no one has a solution to the problems, certainly not Trump and musk.
Either way, AI is not going to fix the government. It doesn't actually collate, it does a kind of of approximation of that but it's doing it in the same way as it's doing reasoning, which is too say kind of but it's not reliable or trustworthy
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I do love how much of a rush far left is in to prove the concept of "far left's primary tool of cognition is inversion of reality" beyond any reasonable doubt.
Yes, best anti-corruption and anti-incompetence tool available to humanity now is... all about removing corruption prevention. I'm sure.
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You think that trump and musk are actually going to do what they claimed. Personally I think such trust in politicians is crushingly naive, but there you go. I can't for the life of me understand who a right winger, a grouping which has historically not trusted the government, have suddenly developed a deep and abiding trust in it beyond anything a lefty like me holds.
It's weird to me.
It's also odd to me that you think removing controls will lower corruption. But then again the whole corruption story is a f
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So the punchline to this joke is that by rigging the entire system to make sure Trump can't get re-elected in 2020,
Do you have any credible objective evidence to support your claim the entire system was rigged to make sure Trump can't get re-elected or are you merely blessing us with your feelings?
so now that majority of centrist people are "nazis" is very real, and get Orange Man elected with such a crushing electoral margin
It blows my mind this nonsense persists. Not only did Trump not even get a majority of the votes his margin of victory was less than the margin Hillary won the popular vote. In terms of electoral votes his margins were less than Obama, Clinton and Bush v1. A crushing margin is a Nixon, Reagan or Roosevelt in high 80s - 90%
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Is there corruption? Of course. Inefficiency? Loads of it.
But the shit coming out of his mouth is just regurgitated telephone game shit sources from the bowels of 4chan.
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CNN: out of tens to hundreds of thousands of cancelled things, we managed to scape together ten that were maybe questionable. If we really, really don't look at the details of those things.
And that is of course why we should allow mass corruption and incompetence continue all across the board!
The most interesting part to me is just how badly they got you in a vice. You actually have to come out and advocate for government corruption and incompetence. Because you know nothing except naked partisanship. And t
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CNN: out of tens to hundreds of thousands of cancelled things, we managed to scape together ten that were maybe questionable. If we really, really don't look at the details of those things.
This has nothing to do with CNN. You're deflecting.
Musk hasn't notified us of what the "tens to hundreds of thousands of canceled things" are. All we know are the claims he has made- and they have been false.
And that is of course why we should allow mass corruption and incompetence continue all across the board!
Nobody said that. That's a strawman.
Are you incapable of even a single fucking iota of intellectual honesty?
The most interesting part to me is just how badly they got you in a vice. You actually have to come out and advocate for government corruption and incompetence. Because you know nothing except naked partisanship. And the funniest part is reading that infamous fedposting subreddit, where people are increasingly asking each other "why is it when we use these amazing far left talking points of ours and quoting CNN at parties and meetings with people not in our ingroup, they all react the same. "That sounds terrible. Anyway...""
The most interesting part to me is just how thoroughly your simping has disabled your ability to think critically.
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You:
>CNN:
Me
>CNN:
You:
>This has nothing to do with CNN. You're deflecting.
Kek.
>Are you incapable of even a single fucking iota of intellectual honesty?
LOL. ROFLMAO even.
>The most interesting part to me is just how thoroughly your simping has disabled your ability to think critically.
Not being an irrational hater = simping. Got it.
Carry on sir.
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You:
>CNN:
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Me
>CNN:
Correct.
I stated that Musk had issued several falsehoods, and that's it. I gave a link to CNN as an example of an article about one of them.
You then tried to turn it into a screed about CNN, attacking the source.
Normally, I'd chide you for so transparently trying to gaslight.. But I think you might actually just be stupid.
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>Wrong.
https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]
My personal favorite in this whole "selective memory" idiocy of yours, is that it took you less than two hours to forget you opened with citing a specific CNN story and then expanding on it, and less than four to denounce me for calling you up on it as "wrong".
Best part is you actually convinced yourself that post linked above didn't open with that specific citation, and didn't expand on it in the rest of it. You actually appear genuinely not remember your own poin
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I stated that Musk had issued several falsehoods, and that's it. I gave a link to CNN as an example of an article about one of them.
Keep reading that until it clicks.
You tried to take a link to a CNN article describing one single of these with:
CNN: out of tens to hundreds of thousands of cancelled things, we managed to scape together ten that were maybe questionable.
To which I replied:
This has nothing to do with CNN. You're deflecting.
Musk hasn't notified us of what the "tens to hundreds of thousands of canceled things" are. All we know are the claims he has made- and they have been false.
I might have gauged you wrong... You might actually be too stupid to realize that you're deflecting.
Trying to attack a source instead of my argument.
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Do you realize that I just linked the post we're talking about?
Do you realize that it only has three lines?
Do you realize that first line is "CNN says this"?
Do you realize that second line is "I agree with your points on topic being indeed bad"?
Do you realize that your third line is "but he's wrong (which obviously references the CNN, as there is nothing else involved)" followed by unsubstantiated "4chan is at fault" meme?
Do you realize that there's literally nothing else there, and no amount of trying to d
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CNN never said anything. *I* said it.
I presented a CNN link as an example of what I was talking about.
You then made an unsubstantiated claim and somehow attacked CNN for the claim *I* made.
Truly, you're too fucking stupid to converse with. How the hell do you feed yourself? Am I paying for it?
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Oh come on, the entire practice of "lobbying" is corruption. They obviously aren't interested in rooting out corruption. They just want to feather their own nests.
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Oh come on, the entire practice of "lobbying" is corruption.
Careful.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
There are effective problems with lobbying, but to outright call it corruption is Step 1 of establishing a dictatorship.
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Yes and no. Lobbying refers both to you calling your parliamentary representative on a phone and expressing your opinion on upcoming legislative vote as well as buying said parliamentary representative a free flight to a resort, with five star hotel, hookers and blow so he can hear a lecture on how allocating part of the budget to finance a project from the one buying all those things is a great thing.
Your statement conflates the two as the same thing with same effect. And people currently in power made the
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How fucking laughable. Google AI told me texts to friends were a phishing attempt. The same fucking day, Google AI told me that pictures of kids at a preschool, taken by their teacher and shared with me so that I could make a preschool website, were "suspicious". And it hid the gallery from me.
WTF? So AI is going to know the difference between proper and fraudulent behavior so well that we're just going to trust it and fire people? Because that's exactly what's happening. Give Skynet the nuke codes, y
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You jest but Musk wants to own a country. To be precise, Musk wants to own the USA but he has to steal it from Trump/GOP/Project 2025, first. For that, he needs loyal worshipers, which he doesn't have and can't buy: Grok to the rescue.
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Where did I jest? I pointed out primary uses.
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Re: angry democrat civil servant? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Democracy requires an educated and informed population to function well. Those in control of the USA now clearly know this, and capitalize on its lack.
Right, those who voted for Biden (replaced so democratically by Kamala as the Democrat candidate) are such enlightened intelligent geniuses by contrast /s
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At the end of the day, a politician (regardless of their stripe) is beholden to those that VOTE for them.. And the second anyone brings up education (which is often linked to increased taxes in most ways) the VOTING public say No.
Public schools are terrible because the PARENTS (not those in office) are the ones that are pulling schools in so many different directions (often in conflict with each other) that in many wa
Re: angry democrat civil servant? (Score:5, Informative)
Please clarify, how are the democrats responsible for the struggling Texas education system?
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Yes, it's too bad that generations of Democrats are who put us in into this mess and who continue to make sure the public schools are so terrible.
Yeah, no. That was entirely on the Republicans. The Democrats went along with it because they were more concerned with their own wealth. Why can't ANYONE fucking admit that BOTH PARTIES ARE BAD? Why must I select one of two evils? Fuck that shit. I refuse. I do not consent.
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That does not excuse one from not playing the best hand they're given for themselves and society as a whwole.
Your refusal to participate in the system in which you exist is part of the problem.
Work toward changing it, certainly- refusal to participate? No- that makes you as bad as the worst politician to achieve power.
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Your refusal to participate
My refusal to participate took the form of voting for Mickey Mouse rather than Trump or Harris. yes, I fully understand that they are differently bad... but what difference does it really make when both end with me dying of starvation while cold and alone?
I still vote (for actual candidates when they are at least semi-reasonable), I still pay taxes including Social Security. I still fully participate in society. You can judge me if you want, but it is not as simple as you might be thinking.
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I still fully participate in society.
No, you don't.
For every choice, there is a better and a worse. I'm not here to tell you that was Trump or Harris.
But for every person, one was better or worse.
"Both suck, I'm not going to play" is exactly the kind of surrender that will cause this system to collapse.
People must vote, otherwise the easiest way to win is to just target making people indifferent. There's good evidence that's already happened.
You can judge me if you want
It's not a judgement without compassion.
I do understand your choice. It's just a bad one.
but what difference does it really make when both end with me dying of starvation while cold and alone?
I don't t
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For every choice, there is a better and a worse. I'm not here to tell you that was Trump or Harris.
But for every person, one was better or worse.
I think I understand. You are saying that to ensure the best POSSIBLE outcome, that we should vote for the party that will cause us the least amount of harm.
Fuck that noise! I want fair play and I won't settle for anything less. I want equal treatment regardless of situation. I want Lady Liberty to wear a fucking blindfold like the statue does. I will NOT settle for anything less. I question your integrity for suggesting anything less.
I don't think that's the case.
Both have solutions to that problem. Which one works for you?
I am sorry, but FUCK YOU. I don't care what you believe, both parties wil
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I am sorry, but FUCK YOU. I don't care what you believe, both parties will take all the resources for themselves and leave people like me with nothing at all.
Then vote third-party.
Certainly there was someone on the ballot who supports some semblance of what you want.
If there wasn't, see if it was because of State law keeping them off of it, and then find someone in your state elections that supports your goal of getting your desired Federal candidates on the ballot.
You can yell at me all you want, but as long as you don't vote, you own this system as much as anyone who voted for it.
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No, you obviously don't understand.
>Fuck that noise!
You are letting "perfect" be the enemy of "good". I'm sorry that you think you deserve "perfect" or else you turn your nose up. That kind of thinking is why this country is doomed.
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Just to be absolutely clear, I did indeed vote for actual candidates in all other levels except where there was only one candidate for the office. I could not vote for any of the Third Party potentials for president because the ones I knew of were batshit crazy and I didn't recognize the others, so voting for Mickey Mouse for President is the only rational way I could vote for the office of president.
Have a nice day sir.
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You are letting "perfect" be the enemy of "good".
You don't get it. The entire thing is rotten. People like you make me wish I had voted for Trump directly. "Perfect the enemy of good". pshah. You see slightly less bad as good. This isn't Relativity dude. People have been getting poorer and poorer regardless of Democratic majority or Republican majority. It has been happening for decades, and yet here you are, completely ignoring past results thinking this time it will be different. I have no idea how to stop that program in your head, but it doesn't matte
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You are not acting like an adult, you are acting like a child.
Hm.
Sometimes adults have to make difficult decisions and choose the lesser of two evils. You failed in that.
Lesser of two evils has not helped at all over the past 40 years. Do you know what they call it when you do the same thing over and over and get the same results and are expecting different results? I vote that we should change that term to 'leptons'.
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BULLSHIT.
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Well, we're seeing in real time right now that they could absolutely be worse than the status quo.
Totally agree. If you had paid attention over a long enough time, you would realize the status quo had only a few more iterations before it was going to look like this anyways.
This was inevitable from back in the 1950s. In the 70s, I was reading about how all of this was planned after the boomers were born. They started locking in all of the institutions that boomers would need. The boomers were the first generation of farmed humans... and yet they receive all of the flack for causing it.
Look bro, a lot of
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BULLSHIT.
You think some good things happening is an indication that not everything is bad.
I think in more absolute terms.
I look at the jobs that people who are just starting out have to take. I look at what kind of survival they are likely to have. In my lifetime, it went from 1 person barely being able to provide food and shelter to needing 3 people working together to have food and shelter. It was 2 people before 2008.
If you don't like those absolutes, there are others, such as home ownership by ordinary families.
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And here your dumb ass is thinking that voting for "mickey mouse" is a perfectly reasonable thing to do to avoid further calamity. Go have a seat over there, child. The adults are talking.
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And here your dumb ass is thinking that voting for "mickey mouse" is a perfectly reasonable thing to do to avoid further calamity.
Read the room genius. It is already over. My vote was merely symbolic as the outcome was already guaranteed. I wasn't trying to avoid anymore as I have in previous elections. It is over. Whine all you want.
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YES! A NOT-WOKE AI - made by REAL MEN for MEN (Score:3, Funny)
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What's the bet that if you say the word cisgender the AI blocks you in the name of free speech.
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As a regular user of AI tools (Score:2)
I would like to try it. But, a paid subscription to the site formerly known as Twitter is required. The ick factor is super strong with this one.
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"Methodical" and "analyze", two direct lies (Score:2)
The usual mode of the LLM scammers.
Not open weights, eh? (Score:4, Insightful)
Isn't Musk pretending to be all upset at OpenAI over not being open?
Shouldn't he at least be making his own model open, then? Isn't hiding the reasoning chain a bit lame when DeepSeek-R1 show theirs?
I'm shocked.
Microsoft was right! (Score:2)
"A notable addition is the DeepSearch feature, which combs through web content and X posts to generate research summaries. "
Yep, when microsoft said AI was making us all less intelligent, I felt like they were correct. Now I just saw the words X posts and "research" in the same sentence. We are all losing intelligence from the use of AI.
Can't link to tweets? (Score:2)
I asked it to find an old tweet for me which it did.
So I asked it for a link to the tweet and it Sorry, Dave'd me.
So I copied the text and plunked it in to the old search engine and it came right up.
Such an odd Chinese Wall to include.
Progress at ludicrous Speed (Score:2)
That graph at 21:42 is most interesting. If true, since mid 2024 Grok has progressed to the equal of ChatGPT that has been in developement since 2019.
XDS (Score:2, Insightful)
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There is so many afflicted with MDS and TDS on Slashdot. I cannot grok why there are so many losers on this forum nowadays.
What you call a "derangement syndrome" is the normal consequence of earned extreme loss of reputation and integrity.
Persistently spreading lies, promulgating conspiratorial bullshit unmoored from reality and continuous pursuits of blatantly corrupt and selfish aims.
Everyone is constrained by a finite amount of resources, time and attention. Everyone must make decisions and act accordingly. Expecting people to give Trump the benefit of the doubt at this point is like expecting me to care about my crazy nei
AI's Infection Spreads (Score:2)
You need an AI agent to filter all this news (Score:4, Funny)
but that might require a new AI model to be released first....
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While I could not care less about Grok, I do personally like hearing about new model releases, particularly open ones.
The closed one I'm really excited about is Anthropic's new Claude model that's supposed to be coming out in a couple weeks. Claude 3,5 sonnet is still the best coding model, and an improved base with LRM capabilities would be superb.
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No, he's your shadow president.
Big Brother Elon will soon be on every story!
Shadow presidents aren't publicly parading around with a trail of yes-men gutting fundamental services. He's our defacto president. Trump is just the guy that sits in the chair.
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It is "grok", as in "I grok you in fullness", the wokest thing Heinlein came up with.
The book is great, btw.
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It is "grok", as in "I grok you in fullness", the wokest thing Heinlein came up with.
Which just goes to show Elmo has no clue what he's doing. I wonder what would happen if someone clued him in on how woke that word is.
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There are so many things he's said that should force him to turn in his nerd card. He's for example said multiple times that Cybertruck is "something Blade Runner would have driven" *facepalm*. I don't even know where to start with that...
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Stranger in a Strange Land was decidedly anti-woke. It was white supremacist fantasy that asserted that smart people are more beautiful physically and that poor people are criminals who are justifiably kept outside the moats around the rich communities. This is the order of things that appeals, again, to simpletons like Musk, and
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You obviously have not read the book, but you have a strong opinion about it.
Which shows your "sophistication" like nothing else :)
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Are you Elon, and did I hurt your feelings?
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Yes, I am elon and I found your claims of "sophistication" very funny.
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You being one oughta know best, so I'll take your word for it :)
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LOL, you unread and rough redneck, you come up to people, tell them they are "14 years old" based on your uncovered "adult sophistication", which is on par with the glorious ignorance of the soviet peasant who'd just joined the communist party for the livestock of his neighbor and proudly declares "I've not read it, but I condemn it" and expect what exactly?
Fuck off, MAGAt, go burn a book with your sophisticated friends.
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Stranger in a Strange Land was decidedly anti-woke.
WHAT?
The Church of All Worlds... everybody fucking everybody? Accepting everybody for whatever they are...
What in the fuck are you talking about, lol
It's a story about the most woke dude in the fucking universe being killed by a scared mob of religious adherents.
Re: Stranger in a strange land (Score:2)
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That book is a bit deep for a 14 year old.
Re: Stranger in a strange land (Score:2)
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The point was that the impoverished masses hated them, and did not want to join, because they subscribed to the megachurch's religion.
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Elitist? That's absurd.
There were no requirements. You didn't even have to abandon the beliefs in the other church to join the Church of All Worlds. Literally all were welcome.
elitism: the advocacy or existence of an elite as a dominating element in a system or society.
Literally the opposite.
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Nah, that was the way of the Old ones. The full grokking as it developed on Earth was spiritual and sexual liberation, not the liberation of the carnivorous instincts.
But the anti-woke people did kill the angel who came up with it.
Like I said, it is way too woke.
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What is this AI you speak of?
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Valentine Michael Smith.