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Comment Re:Stupid article (Score 1) 188

I do not get it. Why do some people completely switch off their brains when it comes to free speech?

Beats me. I have no clue what would compel someone to utter the words " "Villager B is an asshole" is neither a factual claim nor an opinion." when such a statement is obviously factually incorrect.

It is common knowledge whether someone is an asshole is a SUBJECTIVE OPINION. Yet here you are trying to peddle an assertion that would be viewed as obviously wrong to anyone reading your statements. For what? Why?

Your statement is just complete nonsense.

Projection. You are the one uttering complete nonsense.

Comment Re:Stupid article (Score 1) 188

Soo, you have trouble understanding the concept of "insult" and how it is different from "speech" in general? Fascinating.

Fascinating doesn't begin to describe the nonsense you are attempting to peddle.

"Villager B is an asshole" is neither a factual claim nor an opinion.

This is what I meant earlier by peddling nonsense. Whether or not someone is an asshole, dumb fuck or as the British would say w-anchor is of course a subjective opinion.

It is a statement designet to hurt Villager B. See, not actually difficult to understand.

It is certainly possible calling someone an asshole is part of a goal to bring harm. Any spoken or written language can be employed to further such goals. One could for example heap praise upon someone in order to earn their confidence in order to later scam them.

Just as praise need not be malicious the same is true of insults. It is possible Villager A simply believes Villager B is an asshole and simply wishes that Villager B along with the rest of the world to know it.

Incidentally, Germany does not arrest people for simple insults. For that it has to be harsh and repeated, like claiming repeatedly and publicly that a specific rape victim deserved it or the like. And even that may not be enough for an arrest. It will be enough for a fine.

Your own words: "That laws require a complaint by the person insulted. It has to be an insult, it does not apply to opinions or the like. Hence calling somebody an "asshole" may qualify" ...

Whether it is "Police, arrest Villager A for calling me an asshole" or "Police, fine Villager A for calling me an asshole" makes little difference. I presume in Germany fines are also payable by threat of violence? Either way you are still using the states monopoly on violence to punish "speech I do not agree with".

Comment Re:Stupid article (Score 1) 188

Ok, lets go into details: Germany has a law (Paragraph 185 StGB) that make insults illegal as soon as they reach a certain threshold. That laws require a complaint by the person insulted. It has to be an insult, it does not apply to opinions or the like. Hence calling somebody an "asshole" may qualify, but calling them a "person with a negative contribution to society" probably does not in most circumstances.

So, no, this is NOT about "speech I do not agree with" at all.

Villager A: Villager B is an asshole.
Villager B: I do not agree.. Police, arrest Villager A for calling me an asshole..
Police: Villager A you are under arrest.

gweihir: ... this is NOT about "speech I do not agree with" ................. AT ALL

This is abject lunacy. Apparently war is peace and freedom is slavery.

Comment Re:And the US? (Score 1) 188

Formally, what's happening in Germany is enforcing existing laws against insults, libel and slander. I don't think any of these are legal in the US either. And I think it's a low bar to exercise your right to free speech, to do so without those.

Not even close.

The whole point of freedom of speech is the ability to communicate thoughts and ideas without fear of reprisal. This is logically distinct from a license to do whatever you please (e.g. anarchy).

There is no free speech interest in libel and slander as it is based on knowingly promulgating lies to further some purpose. Insults on the other hand are expressions of pure speech conveying unflattering thoughts and ideas about someone. Lumping them all together is as absurd as thinking insults are illegal in the US. Insults are NOT illegal in the US.

Comment Re:The only way to stop the Nazis (Score 1) 188

I hate to sound like Infowars, but you are being lied to. Nobody has been arrested for calling a politician a "dummy".

In this case it's true that technically if someone makes a complaint a person can be prosecuted for insults in Germany. However, the reality is that any prosecution has to be balanced against proportionality and freedom of expression, and will rarely proceed unless there is some other aspect of the crime that warrants it.

I can't get over the people saying nothing to see here fake news folks and then proceeding to admit you can be prosecuted for insults.

In this case, the person in question has been posting anti-Semitic stuff on Twitter, and Germany does actually have strong laws when it comes to things like holocaust denial and promotion of Nazi material.

Come on, just think about it for a moment. If people were being prosecuted for insults in Germany, every school kid would have a criminal record and there would be North Korean levels of paranoia.

My thoughts exactly. Just think about what you are saying for a moment. The most hilarious aspect are people comparing Germany to North Korea and doing the whole at least we are not that bad thing. The lack of introspection is breathtaking.

Comment Re:Pr0f3550r prompt injection (Score 1) 132

You would probably also have notified the text in a LLM web interface, if you actually read what you pasted.

Most of the commercial LLM services would have preserved the formatting as they use something resembling the WYSIWYG HTML control baked into all browsers for prompt input.

Comment Pr0f3550r prompt injection (Score 1) 132

What are odds of the three students who allegedly didn't cheat using a local LLM from a CLI? When pasting prompts into the terminal they would have noticed the weird additional text and edited it out.

Hopefully students will also be using the same techniques to catch lazy TA's using AI to grade their work.

Comment Re:Never going to happen (Score 2) 99

Have you even looked at legal decisions in the last few years? Or the blatantly illegal actions of big corporations which have been ignored for decades?

This isn't helping. If you can offer information of specific substantive value that is relevant to this I would still love to hear it.. I have zero clue what you are talking about or trying to say. What legal decisions? What illegal actions? How specifically do you believe they are relevant to an administration attempting to enforce laws that don't exist?

Comment Re:Are the Chinese prices legit or more dumping? (Score 1) 99

The Chinese are notorious for massive subsidizing in order to bankrupt foreign competition and capture entire markets. Is this happening here?

Subsidized or not Chinese companies releasing these models are comically small compared to their US analogues. US AI firms are screwed either way.

Comment Re:Wait a minute. (Score 1) 99

Nope.
AGI is not happening soon: because we do not know how to do it.

Did you even bother to read what was stated before smashing submit? Who was talking about knowing "how to do it" or when AGI is "happening"? My only point was more data is not necessary to achieve AGI.

Current models are expert librarians, you ask them a question, they know which book(s) to pick and which chapter to look at, and sometimes wich page.
And that is it.

This is wrong. LLMs are terrible at citation. The whole utility of the technology is its ability to generalize not find where to "look".

Making LLMs and the hosting/runtime environments "smarter" does not make the LLM suddenly an AGI.

Who was saying anything about any of this?

Comment Re:Never going to happen (Score 1) 99

No way to stop the models. But a way to stop american startups from their success. Disallow the use of Chinese models for american companies and fine them when they use them nevertheless and the startups will cease to use these models.

On what legal basis / authority can such usage be disallowed?

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