Comment Re:Wow everything you said was a lie (Score 1) 84
It's so funny when your hyperpartisan douchebaggery goes off half-cocked.
Comment Re:Where is the break point? (Score 1) 125
Whether that payment is direct with higher comp/ben, indirect payment in the form of training existing employees, or production lag time (relative to other participants in the market) while searching for skilled candidates, or something else. It all comes down to businesses calculation of costs, not "the US doesn't have anyone".
Wrong.
For example, some years ago a nationwide medical-care shortage arose. Rural areas especially were having difficulty because all the doctors and nurses and specialists were taking good paying jobs in urban areas. So practices, hospitals, and even state/county/muni governments added incentives like bonus pay and moving/housing expenses for medical providers who were willing to work in areas far from the big cities. Heck, even within the big cities there have been shortages from the re-boom of Baby Boomers all hitting their peak of medical-care need. So, what happened? Well, we had shortages for several years, and then a few million young people and a not-insignificant number of grown adults/parents working unrelated jobs, went to nursing school. Existing nurses advanced to NP or PA, Tons of new folks enrolled in Physical Therapist programs.
And you think that solved the problem, don't you?
My sister manages a clinic in Northwest Arkansas.
She says 60% of her practicing staff are H1-Bs.
The key is, the entire system had to feel that pain for a while, in order to respond with higher pay, signing bonuses, housing stipends, etc. It is against human nature to change unless you are forced to. It has to be worth it, and usually avoiding a pain/challenge is what makes it worth it.
Wrong. The problem isn't pay-related.
The problem is the sheer number of domestic employees that simply don't make the cut after training, and have to be let go at the end of their probationary period.
Your entire opinion is based on a false premise- that domestic supply actually rose to meet medical demand. It didn't.
Comment Re:JPMorgan Says $100K 'Prices Out H-1B' (Score 1) 125
No fucking shit they'd have to think twice.
A $100k fee changes any salary comparison, now doesn't it?
The second quote was clearly made by a fucking moron.
"Wow. The fact that it is less costly to hire H1-B than it is to hire locally and train, etc."
That's putting words in their mouth.
We have dual track hiring. We hire domestic workers, we train them, and about 90% of them don't survive the probationary period.
We hire H1-Bs, we train them, and about 10% of them don't survive the probationary period.
From a Machiavellian perspective, yes, the indentured-servitude of an H1-B makes a few Snidely Whiplash executives twirl their mustache in glee.
But the fact is, that is not white drives hiring practices.
A $100k fee changes any salary comparison, now doesn't it?
The second quote was clearly made by a fucking moron.
"Wow. The fact that it is less costly to hire H1-B than it is to hire locally and train, etc."
That's putting words in their mouth.
We have dual track hiring. We hire domestic workers, we train them, and about 90% of them don't survive the probationary period.
We hire H1-Bs, we train them, and about 10% of them don't survive the probationary period.
From a Machiavellian perspective, yes, the indentured-servitude of an H1-B makes a few Snidely Whiplash executives twirl their mustache in glee.
But the fact is, that is not white drives hiring practices.
Comment Re:JPMorgan Says $100K 'Prices Out H-1B' (Score 1) 125
There are mountains of evidence from companies saying that can't fill positions with domestic workers.
Other than that, no evidence could possibly demonstrate that, since nothing captures skill-issue problems.
You will discount that evidence as those people lying in order to replace US workers with foreign workers.
Evidence is not what you seek. Affirmation for your anxiety is.
Other than that, no evidence could possibly demonstrate that, since nothing captures skill-issue problems.
You will discount that evidence as those people lying in order to replace US workers with foreign workers.
Evidence is not what you seek. Affirmation for your anxiety is.
Comment Re:Impacts on India (Score 1) 125
I think that probably close to 100% of Indian IT folks will entertain the possibility of getting tot he US on an H1-B and making between 3.5x and 7.5x the salary.
I didn't parse the dependence on your position upon contracting companies, specifically. That makes more sense, but I don't see where it's really.... relevant.
H1-Bs are direct-hires from US corporations (contracting companies or otherwise).
Utilizing labor from Indian contracting companies is offshoring.
I didn't parse the dependence on your position upon contracting companies, specifically. That makes more sense, but I don't see where it's really.... relevant.
H1-Bs are direct-hires from US corporations (contracting companies or otherwise).
Utilizing labor from Indian contracting companies is offshoring.
Comment Re:Global (Score 1) 125
confidence man
FTFY.
Joke aside, I agree.
Comment Re:But... (Score 1) 57
This isn't the Philadelphia Experiement. It's just a motor. In the grand scheme of functioning electromagnets, it's small peas.
Comment Re: JPMorgan Says $100K 'Prices Out H-1B' (Score 1) 125
I'm not going to argue individual cases of malfeasance, because I'm not a moron.
But I am going to push against any suggestion that anecdotal cases of malfeasance represent a corrupt system.
The folks who measure pay disparities between black people and white people, men and women, cannot find any evidence of systemic underpayment of H1-Bs.
In order to make the data look like that, you have to start comparing apples to oranges. Those who are vociferously against the program are happy to do so.
Having worked with many H1-Bs, of various pay scales, I can say that I have not personally witnessed this slave labor- but I have witnessed the company directly taking advantage of "well, if he quits, he has to leave the country...".
But I am going to push against any suggestion that anecdotal cases of malfeasance represent a corrupt system.
The folks who measure pay disparities between black people and white people, men and women, cannot find any evidence of systemic underpayment of H1-Bs.
In order to make the data look like that, you have to start comparing apples to oranges. Those who are vociferously against the program are happy to do so.
Having worked with many H1-Bs, of various pay scales, I can say that I have not personally witnessed this slave labor- but I have witnessed the company directly taking advantage of "well, if he quits, he has to leave the country...".
Comment Re: If companies are bringing people over (Score 1) 125
Pop quiz.
Oooh, this should be interesting!
Supply meet demand.
Indeed.
If h1b visa holders add to the supply the demand side (our pay rate) stays the same or goes lower.
Ah, yes. For that exact reason, every child that graduates from college reduces our earning potential!
Wait- they don't?
Next you'll try to tell me that the economy grows.
Comment Re: If companies are bringing people over (Score 1) 125
You provided 3 shit links.
Provide one that backs up your assertion.
You can't call out someone for "pushing misinformation" when you respond to it with links that don't support your fucking argument.
Here's another one from me, though.
Provide one that backs up your assertion.
You can't call out someone for "pushing misinformation" when you respond to it with links that don't support your fucking argument.
Here's another one from me, though.
Comment Re: JPMorgan Says $100K 'Prices Out H-1B' (Score 1) 125
Discusses 1 single firm.
One firm does not discount the mountains of evidence to the contrary.
I don't think anyone denies this.
The indentured servitude factor is critical to understanding the problems with the system.
Trying to sus out some conspiracy to lower wages will lead you to always losing your fight, because it's not real., and even your first link says the offices they looked at often had an increase in wages for the non-H1Bs.
One firm does not discount the mountains of evidence to the contrary.
I don't think anyone denies this.
The indentured servitude factor is critical to understanding the problems with the system.
Trying to sus out some conspiracy to lower wages will lead you to always losing your fight, because it's not real., and even your first link says the offices they looked at often had an increase in wages for the non-H1Bs.
Comment Re: If companies are bringing people over (Score 1) 125
Your link to an advocacy group report counts registrations, not real jobs, and the numbers are as padded as an overstuffed junk resume. The
For one part of it, yes.
The part that shows that unemployment and wages do not drop with increase H1-B employment obviously do not.
The links above actually have quantifiable metrics and specific examples of hundreds of thousands of jobs in recent years where wage abuse was directly alleged, or admitted, as a result of the H1B program.
What kind of stupid gaslighting shit is this?
Link 1 is an example of a company breaking the law. They literally do not matter here. That's a discussion about enforcement.
Link 2 is an example of a lawsuit, which means you've parroted unsubstantiated claims and called them evidence.
Link 3 literally does not say a single thing supporting your argument.
Get fucked, gaslighting shit-for-brains.
Comment Re: If companies are bringing people over (Score 1) 125
Almost all H1Bs are indeed paid significantly less than US Citizen equivalents.
No*.
First link:
That is illegal. A case of malfeasance does not say anything to the overwhelmingly legal use of the program.
Second link:
A lawsuit is not evidence.
Third link:
This is an article about contracting firm H1-B use.
It in itself specifies no wrongdoing whatsoever (or lower payment)
Try again.
In the meantime,
Some reading for you.
* There are certain metrics of "equivalent" that can (and have) been used to draw a disparity, but they are inherently flawed.
They generally use metrics like "age", and "education", rather than job, and years of experience
Comment Re:Global (Score 0) 125
Are you stupid? Honest question, because I really think you might be.
Why do Republicans speak of "bringing manufacturing back"? Because it's a fucking political football.
What does that have to do with the fact that we are the second largest manufacturer in the world, and the fact that our per-capita manufacturing output is 2,000% higher than the current leader in world manufacturing?
Look at it this way, if 100% of the US was employed in manufacturing, and 100% of China was employed in manufacturing, the US would out-produce China. By a lot.
This is just simple math.
Politicians want to "bring it back" because our manufacturing because all of the people who lost their jobs to cheaper Chinese labor also happen to vote.
None of that has anything to do with the stupidity of the claim:
Why do Republicans speak of "bringing manufacturing back"? Because it's a fucking political football.
What does that have to do with the fact that we are the second largest manufacturer in the world, and the fact that our per-capita manufacturing output is 2,000% higher than the current leader in world manufacturing?
Look at it this way, if 100% of the US was employed in manufacturing, and 100% of China was employed in manufacturing, the US would out-produce China. By a lot.
This is just simple math.
Politicians want to "bring it back" because our manufacturing because all of the people who lost their jobs to cheaper Chinese labor also happen to vote.
None of that has anything to do with the stupidity of the claim:
Plus, the U.S. cannot produce all that it needs, manufacturing-wise. And the U.S. does not have enough people to even bother trying.
Comment Re:Impacts on India (Score 1) 125
That's the wrong denominator.
That depends on what we're measuring.
There are 3-4 million IT workers in the Indian contracting companies
Ya, we can use those as the denominator if you prefer.
and not all of them are the technical workers that would be considered for an H1B. 60,000 out of 3-4 million is a pretty good chance.
No, it's not. If you tried every single year for your entire working life, there's still a 25% chance you wouldn't make it.
If you tried for just 20 years, there's a 66% chance you wouldn't make it.
That's like a 1 out 50 chance of getting to immigrate to the US with your family, and you get that chance every year.
See above.
Aside from all this, "in the Indian contracting companies" is a ridiculous criteria that shaves between 50%-60% off of the real denominator, which is just Indian IT workers.
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