Donald and Melania Trump Launch a Pair of Meme Coins (cnn.com) 198
Donald and Melania Trump have launched a pair of meme coins just before President Trump was sworn into office. The coins are already worth billions of dollars, raising "serious ethical questions and conflicts of interest," said Richard Painter, a law professor at the University of Minnesota. CNN reports: Melania Trump launched her cryptocurrency $MELANIA in a social media post Sunday, sending her husband's cryptocurrency $TRUMP, announced two days earlier, plummeting. "The Official Melania Meme is live! You can buy $MELANIA now. https://melaniameme.com," the future first lady wrote on X Sunday. Meme coins are a type of highly volatile cryptocurrency inspired by popular internet or cultural trends. They carry no intrinsic value but can soar, or plummet, in price. "My NEW Official Trump Meme is HERE!" Trump wrote on X Friday. "It's time to celebrate everything we stand for: WINNING! Join my very special Trump Community. GET YOUR $TRUMP NOW. Go to http://gettrumpmemes.com -- Have Fun!" Both coins are trading on the Solana blockchain. [...]
$TRUMP is the first cryptocurrency endorsed by the incoming president, who once trashed bitcoin as "based on thin air." [...] While executive branch employees must follow conflict of interest criminal statutes that prevent them from participating in matters that impact their own financial interests, the law does not apply to the president or the vice president. [...] The Trump coin's market capitalization, which is based on the 200 million coins circulating, is capped at $13 billion, according to CoinMarketCap. The meme coin's website said there will be 1 billion Trump coins over the next three years. Both $MELANIA and $TRUMP's websites contain disclaimers saying the coins are "intended to function as a support for, and engagement with" the values of their respective brands and "are not intended to be, or to be the subject of, an investment opportunity, investment contract, or security of any type."
The website says the meme coin is not politically affiliated. But 80% of the coin's supply is held by Trump Organization-affiliate CIC Digital and Fight Fight Fight LLC, which are both subject to a three-year unlocking schedule -- so they cannot sell all of their holdings at once. Trump coin's fully diluted value (which reflects the eventual total supply of Trump coins) stood at around $54 billion as of Monday morning, according to CoinMarketCap. At that value, the 80% linked to Trump is worth a staggering $43 billion, at least on paper. The $TRUMP coin's website says it is "the only official Trump meme. Now, you can get your piece of history. This Trump Meme celebrates a leader who doesn't back down, no matter the odds," the website reads. "Trump owning 80% and timing launch hours before inauguration is predatory and many will likely get hurt by it," Nick Tomaino, a former Coinbase executive, said in a post on X. "Trump should be airdropping to the people rather than enriching himself or his team on this."
$TRUMP is the first cryptocurrency endorsed by the incoming president, who once trashed bitcoin as "based on thin air." [...] While executive branch employees must follow conflict of interest criminal statutes that prevent them from participating in matters that impact their own financial interests, the law does not apply to the president or the vice president. [...] The Trump coin's market capitalization, which is based on the 200 million coins circulating, is capped at $13 billion, according to CoinMarketCap. The meme coin's website said there will be 1 billion Trump coins over the next three years. Both $MELANIA and $TRUMP's websites contain disclaimers saying the coins are "intended to function as a support for, and engagement with" the values of their respective brands and "are not intended to be, or to be the subject of, an investment opportunity, investment contract, or security of any type."
The website says the meme coin is not politically affiliated. But 80% of the coin's supply is held by Trump Organization-affiliate CIC Digital and Fight Fight Fight LLC, which are both subject to a three-year unlocking schedule -- so they cannot sell all of their holdings at once. Trump coin's fully diluted value (which reflects the eventual total supply of Trump coins) stood at around $54 billion as of Monday morning, according to CoinMarketCap. At that value, the 80% linked to Trump is worth a staggering $43 billion, at least on paper. The $TRUMP coin's website says it is "the only official Trump meme. Now, you can get your piece of history. This Trump Meme celebrates a leader who doesn't back down, no matter the odds," the website reads. "Trump owning 80% and timing launch hours before inauguration is predatory and many will likely get hurt by it," Nick Tomaino, a former Coinbase executive, said in a post on X. "Trump should be airdropping to the people rather than enriching himself or his team on this."
Trump's is already crashing (Score:5, Insightful)
What I'm curious about is How all the people who voted for Trump here on this forum who knows that this is a scam feel about this. Are they okay with it because they aren't themselves being scammed? It's weird to think that somebody might be perfectly okay supporting a president who actively scams thousands and thousands of people just because they're smart enough to see through this particular scam.
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How all the people who voted for Trump here on this forum who knows that this is a scam feel about this.
I didn't vote for Trump, but I don't see how this is a "scam".
No one was misinformed. They got what they paid for.
Stupid people can do stupid things without being "scammed".
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These kind of meme coins are often quick pump and dumps followed by a rug pull, and it's hard to imagine what their legitimate use is beyond that.
But you are correct- nobody has been scammed- yet.
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No one was misinformed. They got what they paid for.
Stupid people can do stupid things without being "scammed".
True. But the real question is how much of an expert you have to be. If a regular person typically does not recognize the risks and the risk significantly exceeds what a regular person usually deals with in that sector (finance here), then it becomes a scam when marketed and sold to regular people despite they being "not misinformed".
This, unlike your comment, recognizes that scams are bad for society as a whole and need to be limited to keep society going.
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Well, crappy people doing crapcoin scams and crappy idiots falling for it. I mean, this whole presidency is a scam, besides serving to get out of getting punished for a felony or two, putting this on top to make a buck is really no surprise.
Re:Trump's is already crashing (Score:5, Insightful)
This is exactly what sociopaths and scammers say. You know who doesn't say this? People with empathy.
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Were SBF's customers all fascists and assholes?
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Since crypto trading is legal still, are you implying none of our elected officials have any empathy? We allow all sorts of scams to be presented as financial tools. Pay days loans are another wonderful example and yet those are still legal too.
So really, why are you expecting me to empathize with people foolish enough, even when told otherwise, to not invest (lol) in pony schemes to get rich quick? I did my part. I informed them it was a scam and a bad idea. The rest is on them.
Same as when you tell people
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Also people interested in keeping society viable and going. And that requires trust. Scams like crapcoins undermine trust. Empathy is optional.
Well, emperor Donald I thinks the US now is his to rob. After all the lying he did to get elected, he does sort-of have a point.
Re:Trump's is already crashing (Score:5, Insightful)
What worries me is that this is a vector for foreign governments to bribe our president.
But I mean, Jesus, if the 34 felony convictions, Jan 6th and the stolen classified documents weren't enough.... It's amazing what you can do when the media is 110% on your side.
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There are clearly lots of vectors for corruption for our politicians. Trump has many. So did Biden. Sure the next one will too. We get what we vote for.
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It's amazing what you can do when the media is 110% on your side.
WaPo at least put "raising ethics issues" in their headline. It's not really the media's fault, hell, here's what Fox Business [foxbusiness.com] has to say about it:
The coin, which goes by the trading ticker TRUMP, is known as a "meme coin," a highly speculative kind of cryptocurrency that has no inherent utility and is often created based on a joke or parody, like $PEPE, a meme of a picture of a cartoon frog that has a market cap of over $7 billion.
Sophisticated investors are often wary of meme coins, not just because of their wild price swings, but their propensity for being associated with scammers looking to make a quick buck off exuberant investors. Last month, social media influencer Haliey Welch, better known as the "Hawk Tuah Girl," was sued by investors when the price of her meme coin, $HAWK, crashed within hours of its introduction, prompting heavy investor losses.
That's hardly high praise, and again, this is from the most right-wing mainstream media outlet in the US. Yeah, the media is not calling for an impeachment, but that's because they know it wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. The American public actually voted for this, so you can expect the media to pivot to this "new normal".
It's the media's fault (Score:4, Insightful)
The billionaires wanted Trump. They did *not* want Harris/Walz. So the billionaires exercised the full extent of power they've been storing up by buying all the TV stations, news papers and websites for the last 45 some odd years.
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On individual level, you are right. But what about this being large enough to impact society and impact people that did not fall for this stupidity? At that point, the blame goes to the perpetrator. And that is what is happening here.
As to the drug-dealer, the typical reason for overdosing is that the drug dealer delivered higher-concentration drugs without warning. Still think this is entirely to be blamed on the user?
This is literally an advertisement (Score:5, Insightful)
And if you dont know, they already pump and dumped one of them.
If you feel the need to legally pay off Trump because you are scared of the power given him, I guess... spend away.
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Have you not seen /. lately? Nothing but ads, and they've started blocking the ways around them.
Very On-brand (Score:3)
How is this shit allowed?
The same way that all the cryptocoin rubbish is allowed. It's the Wild West of finance with little to no regulation or protection with a lot of stuff going on there borderline legal.
How do you expect someone like Trump to ignore all of that? Having his own coin is incredibly on-brand for him: it's something basically worthless that idiots are willing to buy for money...just like his other schemes: remember Trump University? Arguably this is less of a scam though since anyone who looks into crypto of any
Re:This is literally an advertisement (Score:5, Informative)
It’s a cult. A rich man who owns a gold toilet is able to talk poor people into giving him money. I’m pretty sure there’s even a relevant verse in the Bible.
Re:This is literally an advertisement (Score:4, Interesting)
It’s a cult. A rich man who owns a gold toilet is able to talk poor people into giving him money. I’m pretty sure there’s even a relevant verse in the Bible.
I'm less concerned about that than about the fact that these coins and DJT stock provide near-perfect vehicles for bribes to the President of the US. Trump has already demonstrated that he can be bought with the TikTok flip flop. That only cost the TikTok CEO $18M... though leveraging it through Trump's memestock increased Trump's net worth by more than $2B.
Re:This is literally an advertisement (Score:4, Insightful)
It was always clear that Trump can be bought. His voters do not care. Yes, corruption destroys a society and when too many voters do not care about the future of a democratic society, then it has no future. That seems to be currently happening in the US.
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And it does massive damage outside of the direct victims. Remember that ransomware only got large because of the money-laundering crapcoins make easy.
Re:This is literally an advertisement (Score:4, Informative)
The only difference between a religion and a cult is the number of followers. Trumpism is nearing religion.
They congregate in large places to celebrate him. They listen to him and concisder his words greater than all others. They live their lives on the values he espouses. They tithe to him in the form of bibles, shirts, NFTs, coins, crypto, and signatures. They raise their children to belive in him. They keep graven images of him in their homes, and lastly they will one day build buildings to visit to worship him when he's gone.
Kinda like Bon Jovi.
Re:This is literally an advertisement (Score:4, Insightful)
How is this shit allowed?
It shouldn't be, but who is going to hold Trump accountable? His own party doesn't care, the Democrats don't have enough seats to do anything, and the American public knew about Trump's crypto grifts before the election. There's no one else to blame, this is the America the majority voted for.
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>The coins are already worth billions of dollars
The coins are *not* already worth billions of dollars. Here's how the above statement and most of the media mentions of cryptocoin "market cap" work:
- Trump announces that in 3 years he'll release a billion coins.
- Someone buys a coin from him for 10 dollars.
- Since now you can sell a coin for $10, DonaldCoin now has a "market cap" of 10 billion dollars.
- Media breathlessly announces Trump has made billions of dollars in three hours.
That's it. 10 billion
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Scammer in Chief, but it's really legal bribery. (Score:5, Insightful)
He already used Truth Social to collect bribes. Now he's got meme coins. Is anybody shocked? It's not as much a problem for the stupid people who buy these coins. There aren't that many of them. It's that his billionaire backers from across the world, including China and Russia, can now legally send him cash.
Re:Scammer in Chief, but it's really legal bribery (Score:5, Interesting)
It's that his billionaire backers from across the world, including China and Russia, can now legally send him cash.
It's the easiest way to buy Trump with some anonymity involved, other than going to Mar-a-largo on your knees like musk, bezos or zucker. Some people have self-respect, those 3 do not.
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It's that his billionaire backers from across the world, including China and Russia, can now legally send him cash
So how do you envision that working?
Let's China sends him a few million in Trump coin. And, let's assume that the "value" doesn't drop by 80% before he receives it. How does he cash out?
I'm genuinely curious how this scheme is supposed to work.
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Slightly more legally than Egypt's $10 million contribution to Trump's campaign in 2016. Or his bank account in China in 2016 and 2017.
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Anonymous person A buys $1B in Coin X.
People see that coin X has a shit ton of volume suddenly. People start buying. Price goes up.
That which is held by Person B (the lion's share) is now worth more money. The value doesn't drop until the dump.
It's a variation of the common crypto scam pump and dump, only if you happen to be a corrupt politician, you could get foreign actors to do the pumping for you.
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"Let's China sends him a few million in Trump coin. And, let's assume that the "value" doesn't drop by 80% before he receives it. How does he cash out?"
You're working it backwards. China *buys* the shitcoins. Trump gets millions in real money. China has shitcoins that are worthless, but they don't care, the whole purpose of the exercise was to put the millions in real money in Trump's pocket to buy his favor.
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This. When you buy $TRUMP, you are literally buying Trump himself. You get his favor and his influence.
The presidency is for sale, right before our eyes.
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By selling them off to the bigger fool that'll buy them - same as with any crypto.
If you're instead asking "How can Trump get away with openly accepting money from our adversaries?" Well, that's the world we live in now. Haven't you heard? The President is above the law - untouchable - and his supporters will waste no time abasing themselves to come to his defense.
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U wot m8? None of those Solana memecoins are even remotely anonymous.
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In the end, you can say that "The wallet that is almost certainly Trump's just made a whole metric fuckton of money, and 6 wallets did nothing but purchase $4B in coins and then sit on it."
You know what wallet has what money. You don't know who has what wallet. You can derive it from regular economic activity, but for a one-time pumper? Na. No way in hell.
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You know there are people that do a pretty good job of figuring out who has what wallet. Law enforcement has gotten very good at it, in fact. These people specialize in it, in fact:
https://www.chainalysis.com/la... [chainalysis.com]
If you want privacy, you need to actively conceal which addresses/wallets are involved in transactions.
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Hmm that's one too many "in facts".
Re:Scammer in Chief, but it's really legal bribery (Score:5, Insightful)
Yep. Our country is done for. Then there is Biden pardoning 5 more members of his family
Biden pardoned the Jan 6th committee, Dr.Fauci, General Milley and the police at January 6th who testified against trump/others.
In a week, trump will be pardoning the insurrectionists that tried to overthrow an election at his bidding.
Trump has openly came out and said he wants to imprison all those involved in those group of pardons, including Biden's family. When a fascist dictator says something, you take it very seriously.
Re:Scammer in Chief, but it's really legal bribery (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump pardoning the January 6th assholes would settle the argument that it was caused by ANTIFA extremists. Why would he pardon radical leftists?
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Looks like he just did. https://apnews.com/article/cap... [apnews.com]
Re:Scammer in Chief, but it's really legal bribery (Score:4, Informative)
The first paragraph of that article is worth sharing here:
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Monday pardoned or commuted the prison sentences of all of the 1,500-plus people charged with crimes in the Jan. 6, 2021, U.S. Capitol riot, including people convicted of seditious conspiracy and assaulting police officers, using his clemency powers on his first day in office to undo the massive prosecution of the unprecedented assault on the seat of American democracy.
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Biden pardoned those people as well but it's literally in the first paragraph in the link I posted.
Either way, I'm not defending Trump's actions. I'm merely pointing out how fucked we are as a country given the politics from our elected officials.
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And Biden pardoned someone indigenous guy for murdering two FBI agents. What's your point? Your silly blue party is just as shitty as the silly red party.
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Committing regular murder and trying to murder Democracy are on a bit of a different level, don't you think? (Well, I know you do not think, so no need to answer.)
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In a week
Never mind, the felon and insurrections couldn't even wait a week. He ever pardoned the white supremacists that headed it all up, the leader of the proud boys and oath keepers are free. I never thought I'd say this but a president basically pardoned the KKK. Just when you think America can't get any lower.
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Just when you think America can't get any lower.
Trump will demonstrate that there is considerable room to get even lower morally. The guy does not have a moral compass. He does whatever he thinks he can get away with.
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In a week
Never mind, the felon and insurrections couldn't even wait a week. He ever pardoned the white supremacists that headed it all up, the leader of the proud boys and oath keepers are free. I never thought I'd say this but a president basically pardoned the KKK. Just when you think America can't get any lower.
Knee-jerk thought is what they will do next (as history repeats itself AND human imitate behavior but claim it their own)....
I can see those mindless freaks committing acts of what are, line by line sans being foreign visitors, terrorism. Bombs, random killings, etc. Just to keep the action going because they think they're accomplishing something but don't know what.
Historically, reference the Japanese who still fought with their life to battle to the death even after the war was signed to have ended by H
Re: Scammer in Chief, but it's really legal briber (Score:2)
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> pardoning the insurrectionists that tried to overthrow an election at his bidding.
Already done: https://apnews.com/article/cap... [apnews.com]
The funniest part of this is that accepting a pardon appears to be an admission of guilt.
https://courtmartiallaw.com/mi... [courtmartiallaw.com]
But that's a technical detail. I look for fun where I can.
Re:Scammer in Chief, but it's really legal bribery (Score:4, Informative)
One person, a riot does not make. One lunatic in a costume is not a threat, 1000 lunatics trying to stop Biden become a president is a threat.
Jacob Chansley pleaded guilty to a single count of obstructing an official proceeding on September 3, 2021, and agreed to accept the prosecution's recommended sentence of 41 to 51 months in prison as part of the settlement.
Before entering the plea, Chansley was found by a judge to be mentally competent.
Stupid, not crazy.
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You're conflating intent with ability.
They 100% intended to change the outcome, the fact that they were stupid and unable to achieve their aims doesn't make them any less guilty. You're implying they should only be guilty if they'd succeeded which kind of defeats the purpose of making the act illegal.
Re:Scammer in Chief, but it's really legal bribery (Score:5, Interesting)
If I point a gun at you and pull the trigger, it doesn't matter if you die or not. You break into a government building with a mob of other people, and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power, you have committed a crime.
Assaulting police officers, vandalism, and oh yeah-- building a gibbet with Mike Pence's name on it.
Sure. These were just tourists out for a stroll in our nation's capital.
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beating policemen with american flags..
To demonstrate the extreme moral confusion of the Jan 6th insurrectionists, one of those flags used to beat a police officer was a "thin blue line" flag: A US flag with one of the stripes replaced with a blue stripe to show solidarity with the "blue lives matter" movement.
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"Insurrectionists". Okay, I know you're a leftist, but how brainwashed does one have to be to believe that guy in buffalo suit was an actual threat to statehood of the most powerful country on this planet?
Eh, seriously?
It takes ridiculously few people to execute a coup, if you've got the enforcement arm in the bag.
Let's just hypothetically say they had been successful. That Congress had been unable to ratify the election.
Does the US still exist? You bet. But it has just undergone regime change from within- a coup.
Democracy is officially ended. The new American Republic is... something else.
Don't be stupid.
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Adios, Trumper.
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I had no idea Fauci was related to Biden.
An appropriate quote for today... (Score:2)
“Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
—Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Indeed. Good to be reminded form time to time, although that always comes with massive damage. Well, it was time for the US to descend to a banana republic and become irrelevant to the world. This is the first larger step of that process.
Office of the Convicted Felon (Score:2)
Trump is assuming his coins will be popular for three years: Not on their own, they won't. Trump will have to use the Office of the Convicted Felon (Really, US Congress should change the name of that department.) to inflate demand, until he can sell everything. As someone mentioned, the real benefit is anonymous bribes ^H^H^H donations to the leader of the USA.
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Trump is assuming his coins will be popular for three years: Not on their own, they won't. Trump will have to use the Office of the Convicted Felon (Really, US Congress should change the name of that department.) to inflate demand, until he can sell everything. As someone mentioned, the real benefit is anonymous bribes ^H^H^H donations to the leader of the USA.
There is a schedule that allows some to be unlocked at different times. From what I remember the first occurs at 3 months.
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Trump is not a convicted rapist.
He was found liable for sexual abuse in a civil trial where the evidentiary standard is a "a preponderance of the evidence", which includes such ironclad situations as "4 guys said he did it, and 3 guys said he didn't."
Dude probably is at the very least some kind of disgusting ass power-abusing date rapist, but only probably. You don't get to say otherwise.
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Legally true because the law of New York is behind the times. Trump is a convicted "sexual assaulter" and there really is no doubt that he is guilty. No doubt at all.
The difference is meaningless and in most places he would have been a rapist for what he did: https://newrepublic.com/post/1... [newrepublic.com]
Fake Emoluments clause... (Score:2)
And he has an "Article 2!"
This is what MAGA wanted to "Own da libs!" - how getting themselves scammed and bilked "owns da libs" is owing any but their own BS is not clear but it is clear MAGA feels vindicated and validated by the auto de scam de jour. It really is priceless to hear them scream "Keep government out of my heath care!" then watch their face when they discover that the healthcare they are on is Obama Care, that their low priced internet is Biden's, that the tax cuts are Bill's, and that they st
Destroyed the value of money (Score:2)
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These things are unrelated. Prisoners already committed crimes. Influencers are maybe on their way.
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Prisoners already committed crimes. Influencers are maybe on their way.
I'd say. As TikTok went dark, one of the first lols I saw was an influencer saying they weren't going to pay their taxes now.
That's not how it works, and by saying that, you've just made it a federal crime if you actually go through with it. Good luck.
If You Buy These Coins (Score:2)
If you buy these coins, you deserve to lose everything.
If you buy almost any crypto-coin, you deserve to lose everything. Doge, Hawk-Tua, FartCoin, ShitCoin, PepeCoin, Boden, Trump, Melania... you put money into this? Are you fucking kidding me?
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And you are aiding crime: The massive damage from ransomware is there because crapcoins made money-laundering far too easy.
This is what you voted for (Score:3)
See subject.
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"This is what you voted for"
Hope Americans are ready to hear this, repeatedly, from the rest of the world, since they chose to inflict Trump on the rest of us for the next 4 years, again!
Voted for...or against? (Score:2)
Re:Voted for...or against? (Score:4, Insightful)
No, that argument doesn't work when Trump is on the line. Everybody knows Trump, everybody should see how unfit he is for office. That's why Biden won, people didn't vote for Biden, but against Trump. But in this case, they didn't vote because they didn't want to vote for a black woman, and now here we are.
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To be fair to Americans I suspect that most were voting against the alternative and unfortunately for everyone Trump was the only other option
Their intention wasn't to vote for Trump but simply not vote for that they considered an undesirable alternative (to their eyes, because no one else in the world can comprehend that "logic").
So yeah, it's all nice and well that they can make themselves feel better by claiming "we had no other choice - our hands were forced, blah blah blah", but just like you didn't intend to cause a crash into another car in the next lane when you swerved to avoid that squirrel running onto the road (but you did crash), it'
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Our rights and principles as a country are only as good as the people we've elected to uphold them.
"Dear leader says you can have TikTok back, and don't forget to buy his crypto" was totally not on my 2025 bingo card. When they say it's a slippery slope, they're not fucking kidding. It's a very short trip from world superpower to banana republic.
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On the contrary, Trump has to carry off these scams before he takes office which is why his trust can't/won't do such things post inauguration.
What they voted for happens after that.
The truth (Score:5, Insightful)
People are crying 'how is this allowed?' or 'Trump should use this to help us!' like any of that matters or he cares.
Y'all elected a con artist to the highest office in the land, AGAIN. It'll be the same as last time only with less push back.
targetting his own (Score:2)
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If it were that easy. The damage he does is not limited to the fuckups that voted for him.
This is news how? (Score:2)
How exactly is this press release about a felon committing more crimes "news for nerds"??
Oh right, I forgot - this "news" site is owned by a crypto platform [slashdot.org].
Entire Stable-Coin Market Cap at risk (Score:3)
CoffeeZilla's reaction to the Trumps' latest grift (Score:2)
trump memecoin is insane [youtu.be] ($TRUMP memecoin grift)
I hate my life [youtu.be] ($MELANIA memecoin grift)
Crime is now legal.
When the inevtable happens ... (Score:2)
It'll be interesting to see if SCOTUS considers a rug-pull, or other common crypto scam, an official Presidential act and #47 gets immunity...
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It'll be interesting to see if SCOTUS considers a rug-pull, or other common crypto scam, an official Presidential act and #47 gets immunity...
The same SCOTUS that said deplatforming 170 million Americans isn't a 1A issue? I'm sure they'll praise Trump and ask him for some pointers on how they can launch their own SCOTUS coins. "Now you too can own a piece of America's highest court!"
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They said that 1) it doesn't fit under strict scrutiny because it didn't target a particular content or viewpoint,
and 2) since it's not strict scrutiny, it's intermediate scrutiny, meaning it's pretty easy for the government to prove that their concern overrides the 1A concern.
They never said it wasn't a 1A issue, but the 1A has never been inviolable.
It's about the poor. (Score:5, Insightful)
Look, we all knew this was going to happen.
This is what happens when you ignore the plight of the poor. Conservatives have been telling progressives that they've been ignoring the poor for the past two decades now, and the most common response was "What poor?! Where? Have you seen the stock market? Your 401k is just fine! Pay no attention to the price of rent, gas, or groceries!"
Even though I don't agree with progressives on many issues, I can't deny the fact that if they had stuck to their principles, held the Democratic party accountable for their actions, this outcome would not have been possible. People didn't vote for the President as much as they voted against the party that ignored them. This is the second time the Democratic party has chosen a nominee based on favoritism rather than the popular vote, and the second time they've lost the election to an absolute imbecile. Burnt toast is more agreeable to most people than Donald Trump, and yet the Democratic party managed to find a candidate even less popular than a convicted felon. They have managed to lose control over all three branches of government.
Of course you're not happy. You voted for the other candidate. You virtue signaled hard. But are you willing to put your hatred behind you and get on doing the hard work of building a better society, or are you content to just hate Trump on the Internet? The Republicans are serious. Are you?
The reason I ask is not because I necessarily agree with you politically, but because this state of affairs can't continue for long. Unless conservatives and progressives are willing to come together for the greater common good, we're not going to have a country to argue about much longer. This insanity of extreme political ideologies dominating the body politic is not going to actually solve problems, but rather assign blame for the inevitable failure. We need to get back to a country where people work with each other instead of against each other.
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Unless conservatives and progressives are willing to come together for the greater common good, we're not going to have a country to argue about much longer.
Who exactly do you see as the big problem there? The people who can accept anything but intolerance, or...?
Re:It's about the poor. (Score:5, Interesting)
I've voted for "the other candidate" numerous times and never felt this way about an incoming president. I started hating trump ~35 years ago. It's not political for me. trump is evil. He always had been.
And I will never forget or forgive him for violating his oath of office on January 6th.
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The Republicans are serious. Are you?
No, the Republicans are not serious. They're completely incapable of governing, they've stopped even pretending. The evidence is abundant, but the mere fact that Senate Republicans are considering confirming Trump's laughably unqualified cabinet nominees is sufficient.
Unless conservatives and progressives are willing to come together for the greater common good, we're not going to have a country to argue about much longer. This insanity of extreme political ideologies dominating the body politic is not going to actually solve problems, but rather assign blame for the inevitable failure. We need to get back to a country where people work with each other instead of against each other.
This is very true, and well-stated.
What we have right now is a Democratic party that is too afraid of its progressive wing to call bullshit on the insane ideas they've been pushing hard for the last couple of decades, and a Republican party
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Yeah, he used business money and altered records. Again, so what?
You seriously don't think falsifying business records should be a crime? No, it's typically not a felony, but when it's used in furtherance of another crime, the felony enhancement seems sensible to me.
Who was harmed here? Seriously, real harm?
The victims of the other crime that was furthered. The other crime, in case you're not aware, was illegal campaign contributions. The victim of that crime was the American people, who likely would have made a different choice at the ballot box in 2016 had Trump's payoff and falsified records succeeded in hid
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cashing in on the job (Score:2)
Now you noticed? (Score:2)
Trump was selling commemorative "totally not for investment purposes" watches back in November. You folks aren't paying attention.
My fondest wish for my American friends. (Score:5, Insightful)
May your new president do every single thing that he said he would. I sincerely wish that for you. No shade. I hope you find the ingredients on the tin are exactly what is listed on the label. At the very least you should be afforded the chance to see if the philosophy can be successful. And if it can, then the naysayers should own up to it.
I do not have the same expectation of his supporters though. If we have learned anything since 2016 its that they will under no circumstances permit acknowledgement of failure. All successes are his, all failures are somebody else's. No exceptions. And no desire to aspire to better.
Holy mother of lol (Score:2)
This is like the "do not invest, this is a rugpull and will go to zero" investment ad that still attracted $20K, except somehow even more clearly stated.
And yet, every single time, the magatards get burnt and then go right back to sticking their hands on that hot stove.