I find it telling that the sole criteria for gaining your respect rests on feelings about the second ammendment. Especially when there's other, more important ammendments.
Yes, he means the Second Amendment [wikipedia.org], that was ratified together with the other first ten as the Bill of Rights [wikipedia.org]. So, if you mean it wasn't ratified the same way as XI-XXVII were, then yes, I suppose. If you mean the same way as, say, the First Amendment prohibiting restrictions on freedom of speech or free exercise of religion, or the Fourth, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures, than no, it was ratified exactly the same way.
Interestingly enough, those also happen to be 2 other of the most ignored parts of the US Constitution. Actually, never mind, that would be the Tenth Amendment, which explicitly states that any rights not granted to the Federal government or restricted from the states belongs to the states or to the people. You know, the amendment that more or less strictly forbids... hell, just about everything the federal government does these days except maybe defense and building roads. The federal government does still build roads, right? I'm a little confused, since it seems they mainly just give money to corporations or pass laws protecting copyright these days .
The problem with the second amendment isn't the original intent, it's that those with that original intent could not have imagined what the word arms would come to represent. The fact is we have to draw a line somewhere when it comes to weapon ownership. Where we draw the line is debatable, but I've yet to meet one person who would advocate an individual's right to own nuclear weapons. If you consider that the far end of the continuum of arms and the muskets and rifles the original framers of the constituti
So, to all the 2nd amendment proponents out there...do you support the right to own nukes and anthrax/serin/etc?
Not being American, I don't give a damn about the 2nd amendment, or any of your amendments, for that matter. However, I do support the right to own nukes.
So, to all the 2nd amendment proponents out there...do you support the right to own nukes and anthrax/serin/etc? If not, what rationale do you have for saying that the lines should be drawn excluding those arms while including assault rifles and the like?
I strongly support the rights of individuals to own weapons that can be used to defend them against criminals (including criminals who cash government paychecks), or for sport.
I don't support the right of anyone, especially governments, to own nukes or ot
I strongly support the rights of individuals to own weapons that can be used to defend them against criminals
I kept thinking, about the attack in Norway, if it had been a US camp there would have been a range, and if someone had the keys to the guns they wood have shot the guy long before the cops arrived.
In most scenarios, that isn't true--the number of accidents with gun ownership doesn't justify having guns around for self-defense, especially someplace like Norway where police have, historically, not carried firearms. But when everyone can get a gun, it is good to have at least one or two people at a potential
'Arms', as intended in the Second Amendment, included such things as rifled cannons with exploding cannon balls and some flame-shooting contraption that I forget the name of (cutting edge military tech of the day). Privately owned merchant ships weren't followed around by the nascent US Navy like their private bodyguards the way they are today. They were expected to defend themselves, as were rural communities and frontier outposts. In those days 'the town hall cannon' was more than just a decoration, it was expected to be used against brigands, pirates, Indian raiders and any other roving marauders that might threaten the community.
I have no problem if you dislike or distrust the Second Amendment, but don't try to do an end run around it. Repeal it or change it, pretending it means something different or that it can be ignored just opens the door for abuse of the other parts of the Bill of Rights. It's not a stretch from banning types of personal weapons that you don't like to banning types of speech you don't like, religions you don't like, or political parties you don't like. One is a clear precedent for the other.
It should be noted that "assault rifles" (selective fire or fully automatic weapons) are strictly regulated. The more commonly used phrase "Assault weapon" does NOT refer to a selective fire or fully automatic weapon, it refers to a semi-automatic rifle which looks evil to the anti-gun crowd.
It should also be noted that most "assault weapons" are rather wimpier than, say, my.30-06.
The 2nd amendment doesn't grant us the right to bear arms (leaving us to squabble over the deffinition of "arms").
Being born gives you the right to bear arms. The 2nd amendment was a promise, from the yet-to-be-formed federal government, that it would not abridge that right.
> I too find it amazing how the entire Federal Government simply ignores those parts of the Constitution it finds inconvenient.
Often, but not always. Parodies generally remain protected under the First Amendment, for example, as do the major media outlets, even when they are grossly irresponsible. (E.g. "Well the WTC withstood this bombing because it was designed to withstand an impact from a plane of size X," ten years later WTC gets hits with planes of size X+1, nobody mentions "By the way, we were t
Black Widow, how about Black Panther...why isn't he in the film? And it's too bad they couldn't have Ms. Marvel or the Scarlet Witch. Sucks that weird copyright deals can chop up a fictional universe where everything is so connected and some things aren't really divisible like they did.
Thor, Iron Man, Ant Man, Wasp, the Hulk, Captain America, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, the Swordsman, Giant-Man I, Giant-Man II, Hercules, Black Panther, Vision, the Black Knight, Black Widow, Mantis, the Beast, Moondragon, Hellcat, the Two-Gun Kid, Wonder Man, Yellowjacket, Ms. Marvel, Falcon, Tigra, She-Hulk, Captain Marvel II, Dr. Druid, Namor, Starfox, Mockingbird, the Thing, War Machine, Moon Knight, Firebird, Demoliton Man, the Forgotten One, Mr. Fantast
They tried doing that with the Justice League Unlimited (or whatever) cartoon a while back. Fuckin' 20 different heroes/villains heroes in every episode. It was dumb.
Which licensing and copyright issues are you thinking of? I may have missed some otaku-grade Marvel history about this character that complicates licensing, but failing that, I cannot imagine a Marvel character appearing in any Marvel movie as a complicated rights issue.
You forgot these:
Harvey Birdman, Hiram Mightor, Myron Reducto, X the Eliminator, Peanut, Mentok the Mindtaker, Zardo
The Funky Phantom, Cumulus the Storm King, Captain Caveman, Azul Falcone, Stan Freezoid
Apache Chief, Garok, Shazzan, Atom Ant, Nitron, Vulturo, Black Vulcan, Birdgirl, Murro the Marauder
Elliott The Deadly Duplicator, The Perfectionist.
Tony Stark is a fucking badass engineer, who's not only cool enough to develop his own armor to get himself out of trouble (IN A CAVE - WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAPS!), but is also rich as hell, loved by all and down with the ladies. What aspiring engineer wouldn't want to be Tony Stark?
Oh,we all want to be Tony Stark, but the humble hero chooses someone they admire, but don't wish to be themselves, thus Uma is the chosen badass avenger.
You're delusional. Next, you'll be saying there were two sequels to The Matrix, three prequels to Star Wars, a live action Thunderbirds movie, a great remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still and a second season of the original Battlestar Galactica.
My first response was "Aww, they didn't list Ant Man!" But, honestly, aren't there literally hundreds of characters that have been part of the Avengers. Of course favorites got left out.
Just be glad Squirrel Girl isn't on the list or you'd be seeing negative numbers for the other choices.
I reckon that John Steed (Ralph Fiennes) is actually my favourite Avenger but Uma Thurman is close enough. What can I say, I'm a sucker for a dangerous bowler hat.
Unfortunately Tobey McGuire wasn't probably the best cast to portray Stan Lee's Spiderman.
Just forget the movie(s) and Spiderman definitely deserves an <option> in the poll...
Maybe this Avengers movie will be good? Joss is a great writer and did a good job with the movie Serenity. Even if he killed Wash......
That brings up a good concern - can Joss write a good show where someone doesn't get killed off? (I'm assuming they're not going to let him kill an Avenger - or will they?)
Well, the TBF was nice. The A-12 was a boondoggle that cost a couple of billion before it was cancelled; none were ever made. It was also *not* the "Grumman A-12"; Grumman in fact competed for the contract but failed when they didn't submit a final bid at the end of the competition; McDonnell Douglas and General Dynamics were the contractors.
first "Avenger" I had a bit of a crush on: Diana Rigg as Emma Peel
hottest drawn image from the Marvel Avengers: Black Widow (I DO love a redhead).
character of the set that I'd most rather have as an SO: Wasp (physically attractive, rich, and, man, what an attitude, 'specially in the current animated series; too bad she's got a thing for Pym).
I might have been preadolescent, but I kept a TV Guide with Diana Rigg on the cover for years. She was wearing one of her trademark catsuits, of course.
When I was little I always wanted to be the hulk. Not because he was big or green but because he was really really strong. It probably didn't help that I grew up watching reruns of The Incredible Hulk [wikipedia.org] and saw a real person playing the Hulk when I was little.
As was noted in The Last Avengers Story; superheroes have morals, but supervillains have a work ethic. The only exception in the Marvel universe is Captain America. When the shits hits the fan, you can't afford narcissism or alcoholism or any of the other flaws present in the rest of the Avengers.
In a real crisis, you need clarity, leadership, and a plan. And that's what Steve Rogers brought to the table, every time. No one catches the Cap'n with his pants down.
I voted for Uma, but I would have voted for Diana Rigg. She fights like a girly should, and they topple like flies.
It is fun watching Uma kick Lucy Liu ass.
The Hulk's only strong when he's angry. Otherwise he's a wimp. Iron Man aka Tony Stark, OTOH, is super cool, with or without the suit.
I never quite saw how that was a *bad* thing - you're a normal science dude until someone pisses you off, at which point you become unstoppable by anything less than deus ex machina? Where's the downside here?
While Diana Rigg (Emma) was the most popular, don't forget Honor Blackman (Cathy Gale) and Linda Thorson (Tara King) and then of course there was Purdey (Joanna Lumley) in the reboot series "The New Avengers". [wikipedia.org]
All of these girls were smart, tough and cute.
The Avengers [wikipedia.org]
And Uma takes an early lead... (Score:2)
And Uma Thurman takes an early lead, closely followed by Tony Stark.
However, it's not surprising that slashdotters would choose a techno-geek over a killer babe. :)
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I'm opposed to the right to bear arms too.
Big hairy arms are not a good look
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Yeah she's killing Bills all over the place.
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I knew I should have voted for her, I'm anti gun too :P
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Re:And Uma takes an early lead... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, he means the Second Amendment [wikipedia.org], that was ratified together with the other first ten as the Bill of Rights [wikipedia.org]. So, if you mean it wasn't ratified the same way as XI-XXVII were, then yes, I suppose. If you mean the same way as, say, the First Amendment prohibiting restrictions on freedom of speech or free exercise of religion, or the Fourth, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures, than no, it was ratified exactly the same way.
Interestingly enough, those also happen to be 2 other of the most ignored parts of the US Constitution. Actually, never mind, that would be the Tenth Amendment, which explicitly states that any rights not granted to the Federal government or restricted from the states belongs to the states or to the people. You know, the amendment that more or less strictly forbids... hell, just about everything the federal government does these days except maybe defense and building roads. The federal government does still build roads, right? I'm a little confused, since it seems they mainly just give money to corporations or pass laws protecting copyright these days .
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The problem with the second amendment isn't the original intent, it's that those with that original intent could not have imagined what the word arms would come to represent. The fact is we have to draw a line somewhere when it comes to weapon ownership. Where we draw the line is debatable, but I've yet to meet one person who would advocate an individual's right to own nuclear weapons. If you consider that the far end of the continuum of arms and the muskets and rifles the original framers of the constituti
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So, to all the 2nd amendment proponents out there...do you support the right to own nukes and anthrax/serin/etc?
Not being American, I don't give a damn about the 2nd amendment, or any of your amendments, for that matter. However, I do support the right to own nukes.
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I strongly support the rights of individuals to own weapons that can be used to defend them against criminals (including criminals who cash government paychecks), or for sport. I don't support the right of anyone, especially governments, to own nukes or ot
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I strongly support the rights of individuals to own weapons that can be used to defend them against criminals
I kept thinking, about the attack in Norway, if it had been a US camp there would have been a range, and if someone had the keys to the guns they wood have shot the guy long before the cops arrived.
In most scenarios, that isn't true--the number of accidents with gun ownership doesn't justify having guns around for self-defense, especially someplace like Norway where police have, historically, not carried firearms. But when everyone can get a gun, it is good to have at least one or two people at a potential
Re:And Uma takes an early lead... (Score:4, Insightful)
I have no problem if you dislike or distrust the Second Amendment, but don't try to do an end run around it. Repeal it or change it, pretending it means something different or that it can be ignored just opens the door for abuse of the other parts of the Bill of Rights. It's not a stretch from banning types of personal weapons that you don't like to banning types of speech you don't like, religions you don't like, or political parties you don't like. One is a clear precedent for the other.
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It should be noted that "assault rifles" (selective fire or fully automatic weapons) are strictly regulated. The more commonly used phrase "Assault weapon" does NOT refer to a selective fire or fully automatic weapon, it refers to a semi-automatic rifle which looks evil to the anti-gun crowd.
It should also be noted that most "assault weapons" are rather wimpier than, say, my .30-06.
Re:And Uma takes an early lead... (Score:5, Insightful)
The 2nd amendment doesn't grant us the right to bear arms (leaving us to squabble over the deffinition of "arms").
Being born gives you the right to bear arms. The 2nd amendment was a promise, from the yet-to-be-formed federal government, that it would not abridge that right.
So much for promises.
Constitution (Score:2)
> I too find it amazing how the entire Federal Government simply ignores those parts of the Constitution it finds inconvenient.
Often, but not always. Parodies generally remain protected under the First Amendment, for example, as do the major media outlets, even when they are grossly irresponsible. (E.g. "Well the WTC withstood this bombing because it was designed to withstand an impact from a plane of size X," ten years later WTC gets hits with planes of size X+1, nobody mentions "By the way, we were t
Punisher and Phantom? (Score:3)
Where are the Punisher and the Phantom? Also, the God of the Old Testament is a bit of an avenger - "Vengence is mine says the Lord; I will repay."
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There is only enough room for one god on the Avengers.
I chose Iron Man... (Score:2)
It's the only movie I've seen out of those listed...
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I chose it because of the cover by the Cardigans of Black Sabbaths song "Iron Man."
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I chose it because of the original "Iron Man" by Black Sabbath... Maybe the Type O Negative Cover as well...
Black Panther? (Score:2)
Black Widow, how about Black Panther...why isn't he in the film? And it's too bad they couldn't have Ms. Marvel or the Scarlet Witch. Sucks that weird copyright deals can chop up a fictional universe where everything is so connected and some things aren't really divisible like they did.
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Thor, Iron Man, Ant Man, Wasp, the Hulk, Captain America, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, the Swordsman, Giant-Man I, Giant-Man II, Hercules, Black Panther, Vision, the Black Knight, Black Widow, Mantis, the Beast, Moondragon, Hellcat, the Two-Gun Kid, Wonder Man, Yellowjacket, Ms. Marvel, Falcon, Tigra, She-Hulk, Captain Marvel II, Dr. Druid, Namor, Starfox, Mockingbird, the Thing, War Machine, Moon Knight, Firebird, Demoliton Man, the Forgotten One, Mr. Fantast
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would be nigh to impossible to all get in the same movie ... particularly as some of them are the same person.
If any person can make that happen, it would be Joss.
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They tried doing that with the Justice League Unlimited (or whatever) cartoon a while back. Fuckin' 20 different heroes/villains heroes in every episode. It was dumb.
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Would Kevin Sorbo play Hercules?
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Wouldn't that make it easier to get them into the same movie?
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Umm... This Beast? [marvel.com] The one portrayed by Kelsey Grammer in this Marvel Studios [wikipedia.org] movie?
Which licensing and copyright issues are you thinking of? I may have missed some otaku-grade Marvel history about this character that complicates licensing, but failing that, I cannot imagine a Marvel character appearing in any Marvel movie as a complicated rights issue.
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That is not a Marvel Studios movie.
It's a 20th Century Fox movie, thus the licensing problems.
i.e. Marvel licensed the X-Men to 20th Century Fox under some set of terms and cannot (yet) use them in it's own movies.
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Harvey Birdman, Hiram Mightor, Myron Reducto, X the Eliminator, Peanut, Mentok the Mindtaker, Zardo The Funky Phantom, Cumulus the Storm King, Captain Caveman, Azul Falcone, Stan Freezoid Apache Chief, Garok, Shazzan, Atom Ant, Nitron, Vulturo, Black Vulcan, Birdgirl, Murro the Marauder Elliott The Deadly Duplicator, The Perfectionist.
There can be only one! (Score:5, Informative)
Patrick McNee! Sure, Ms. Peel looked good in a cat suit. But the umbrella rules!
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I'd have picked Emma Peel, hands down.
Diana Rigg was hotter than Uma Thurman - LOVE that accent!
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Diana Rigg was hotter than Uma Thurman - LOVE that accent!
You, sir, are quite correct.
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Uma who? (Score:2)
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I'm sorry, but I'm afraid someone cocked the joke vote up. Surely it should have read 'Dame Diana Rigg.'
No. Those are actresses. It should have read 'Emma Peel'.
Iron Man (Score:2)
Tony Stark is a fucking badass engineer, who's not only cool enough to develop his own armor to get himself out of trouble (IN A CAVE - WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAPS!), but is also rich as hell, loved by all and down with the ladies. What aspiring engineer wouldn't want to be Tony Stark?
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Oh ,we all want to be Tony Stark, but the humble hero chooses someone they admire, but don't wish to be themselves, thus Uma is the chosen badass avenger.
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No, still got daddy issues...
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Daddy Issues + Alcoholism
Instead of
Parent abandonment and depression.
Avengers (Score:2)
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Emma Peel = Uma Thurman
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Emma Peel = Uma Thurman
You're delusional. Next, you'll be saying there were two sequels to The Matrix, three prequels to Star Wars, a live action Thunderbirds movie, a great remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still and a second season of the original Battlestar Galactica.
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Some people even claim that John Steed had another partner [imdb.com] after Emma Peel left. That's just crazy talk! :)
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Uma Thurman wishes this were true, but it is not.
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I've got no argument against that, but that wasn't my point. ;)
I personally think Diana is way better looking the Uma.
Limited Space (Score:3)
Just be glad Squirrel Girl isn't on the list or you'd be seeing negative numbers for the other choices.
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He's there--right under Hulk. You just have to do a bit of pixel hunting to vote for him...
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Would people want to watch Ant Man superhero? OK, I would just for the ants as an ant geek.
3 @ Bowler Hats (Score:3)
I reckon that John Steed (Ralph Fiennes) is actually my favourite Avenger but Uma Thurman is close enough. What can I say, I'm a sucker for a dangerous bowler hat.
Richard Stallman (Score:2)
...or St. IGNUtius as he calls himself.
Missing option... (Score:2)
Spidy? (Score:2)
Just forget the movie(s) and Spiderman definitely deserves an <option> in the poll...
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Maybe this Avengers movie will be good? Joss is a great writer and did a good job with the movie Serenity. Even if he killed Wash. .... .
That brings up a good concern - can Joss write a good show where someone doesn't get killed off? (I'm assuming they're not going to let him kill an Avenger - or will they?)
Missing options: (Score:4, Funny)
Grumman TBF
Grumman A-12
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Well, the TBF was nice. The A-12 was a boondoggle that cost a couple of billion before it was cancelled; none were ever made. It was also *not* the "Grumman A-12"; Grumman in fact competed for the contract but failed when they didn't submit a final bid at the end of the competition; McDonnell Douglas and General Dynamics were the contractors.
From where/when? (Score:4, Insightful)
first "Avenger" I had a bit of a crush on: Diana Rigg as Emma Peel
hottest drawn image from the Marvel Avengers: Black Widow (I DO love a redhead).
character of the set that I'd most rather have as an SO: Wasp (physically attractive, rich, and, man, what an attitude, 'specially in the current animated series; too bad she's got a thing for Pym).
No anime fans? (Score:2)
Sasuke
Yup, definitely Diana Rigg (Score:3)
Missing Option (Score:4, Insightful)
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Mrs. Peele, i.e., Diana Rigg, end of discussion (Score:3)
'nuff said.
Actually I was reading the comic books a few years before ABC started airing the British television show, and initially tuned in because of the name.
Any disappointment I might have had that the show had nothing to do with the Marvel comics was quickly forgotten.
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I might have been preadolescent, but I kept a TV Guide with Diana Rigg on the cover for years. She was wearing one of her trademark catsuits, of course.
Hawkeye (Score:2)
But B.J. and Trapper are pretty awesome, too.
The Hulk (Score:2)
Billy the Cat? (Score:2)
How about Billy the Cat, and modern-anti-sexist side-kick Katie?
General Jumbo?
tsk
It has to be Steve Rogers (Score:2)
As was noted in The Last Avengers Story; superheroes have morals, but supervillains have a work ethic. The only exception in the Marvel universe is Captain America. When the shits hits the fan, you can't afford narcissism or alcoholism or any of the other flaws present in the rest of the Avengers.
In a real crisis, you need clarity, leadership, and a plan. And that's what Steve Rogers brought to the table, every time. No one catches the Cap'n with his pants down.
He was always the best of them. He didn't need
I know, I know... (Score:3)
No complaints about missing options but I simply must inject a favorite - Dr. Strange. Who else gets to hang out at the sanctum sanctorum!
Wait, I know where your dirty minds are going... :-p
Thor, but Ultimate Thor... (Score:2)
I liked the new Ultimate Thor because he is a bit wacky... He is like a cross between a surfer dude and a Greenpeace hippy, who thinks he is a god...
The icing on the cake is all the rest of the Avengers just think he is delusional... Ya right there buddy, "god of thunder" and all...
Avengers Movie (Score:2)
I chose Uma... (Score:2)
Purdey (Score:3)
Joanna Lumley of course
But I guess "The New Avengers" probably never played on US TV
(It was made in the 70's with Patrick Macnee reprising his role as John Steed, with a couple of younger sidekicks
But Diana Rigg was hot in her day, , I wasn't really impressed with Linda Thorson, but Honor Blackman was OK
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He's everywhere! He's everywhere!
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Mr. Happy (Score:2)
A smile is worth a thousand words, and words are mightier than the sword.
Definitely Mr. Happy.
http://home.comcast.net/~toy-addict/HTML/mrmen.html [comcast.net]
Re:Grumman (Score:5, Interesting)
Probably Emma Peel, although John Steed runs a close second.
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Emma Peel is on this list (and currently the runaway winner): Option 8, Uma Thurman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avengers_(1998_film) [wikipedia.org]
Just because it was terrible, doesn't mean it didn't happen :)
(except for Spiderman 3, Matrix 2 and 3, and...)
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Another vote for Diana Rigg.
Cheers,
Dave
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It is fun watching Uma kick Lucy Liu ass.
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Wiggle your big toe...
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Emma Peel (Score:2)
And yes, absolutely Diana Rigg FTW.
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+1. That's what I came here to say. Major missing option fail.
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The Hulk's only strong when he's angry. Otherwise he's a wimp. Iron Man aka Tony Stark, OTOH, is super cool, with or without the suit.
I never quite saw how that was a *bad* thing - you're a normal science dude until someone pisses you off, at which point you become unstoppable by anything less than deus ex machina? Where's the downside here?
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You'll never be married or keep a girlfriend....
Wait... downsides...
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All of these girls were smart, tough and cute. The Avengers [wikipedia.org]
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I, for one, do not want to know, thank you very much.
Anyway, many of these are mainstream movies or TV shows as well. No need to hang out at Comic-con to have heard of them.
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Now, be honest... would you kick her out of bed?
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I find Uma Thurman extremely attractive, but the movie was terrible, so I definitely prefer Diana Rigg as an Avenger!
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You mean, after he died?
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Rod is one hot chick though :)
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Chuck Norris was originally an option, only he got pissed and kicked the poll so hard it flew off the legit news site it was on and landed here...