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Bill Gates On the Difference Between Elon Musk and Steve Jobs (cnbc.com) 141

In an interview with Bloomberg, Bill Gates was asked whether his contemporary Elon Musk could be considered the "next Steve Jobs," due to the advancements his companies Tesla and SpaceX have made in electric cars and reusable rockets, respectively. CNBC reports: "If you know people personally, that kind of gross oversimplification seems strange," Gates told Bloomberg in the interview published Thursday. There are some key differences between the way Musk and Jobs operate, Gates said. "Elon's more of a hands-on engineer. Steve was a genius at design and picking people and marketing," Gates said. "You wouldn't walk into a room and confuse them with each other." [...] As for Jobs, he "was such a wizard at over-motivating people ... I could see him casting the spells, and then I would look at people and see them mesmerized," Gates told podcast host Dax Shepard Aug. 20. Musk and Gates also have their differences. CNBC adds: In August, Gates wrote a blog post about electric vehicles, saying that they will "never be a practical solution" for replacing trucks and long-haul vehicles. Musk responded to Gates' comments on Twitter Sept. 11, saying that "he has no clue" about electric trucks. (Gates said in the Bloomberg interview that Musk's electric car "is a huge contribution to the climate change effort," that Tesla "did it with quality" and that "other car companies, seeing his success, will come [into the market].") [...] Of course, Gates own reputation has evolved. In the early Microsoft days, Gates was known for setting high standards for the company and being very tough on his team. "I certainly wasn't a sweetheart when I ran Microsoft," he said on Shepard's podcast.
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Bill Gates On the Difference Between Elon Musk and Steve Jobs

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  • by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Friday September 18, 2020 @07:40PM (#60520500)

    One is dead, the other one is not.
    Why compare at all?

  • by ffkom ( 3519199 ) on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:00PM (#60520530)
    Steve believed in "alternative medicine" until it was to late for him to get actually helpful treatment.
    Musk believes his workaholic life style and drug use mixes well. Hope he will realize it does not, before it is too late for him, because unlike Steve, he has brought some actually useful new technology to live.
  • He got lucky with MS-DOS and Windows, being in the right place at the right time, and having no qualms about hurting good people to get what he wants.

    This is Bill Gates' predictive history:

    1) 640K should be enough for anyone. He claims he never said it, but I'm convinced he did.
    2) No one will ever take the Internet seriously. He nearly tanked Microsoft with this one, and only saved Microsoft at the last moment by embracing the Internet.
    3) Electric trucks will never be competitive with fossil fuel trucks, c

    • by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:53PM (#60520648) Journal
      No, he was NOT in the right place/time. In fact, he fought nearly everything, even windows 1.0 he opposed. He did not want DOS, but wanted CPM and to be followed by Unix. IBM FORCED him to buy DOS, as part of a deal (the original guy was afraid of dealing with IBM).
      Over and over, gates fucked up so many things.
    • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      1) I see no reason to think that he said it. There are internal documents that quote him saying the exact opposite, for two years before he supposedly said the 640K nonsense.
      2) Bullshit, pure and simple. Gates had two unfortunate quotes in which he said that the Internet would take a decade before it became important, commercially, and that the Internet as it was needed to evolve before it became the Next Great Thing. He always knew it was coming, but for a brief period (1994-1995) he was not sure how qu

    • by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Friday September 18, 2020 @09:37PM (#60520720) Journal

      In school, Bill Gates used to go around telling people that he'd be a millionaire by the time he was 30. Sure enough, he was a BILLIONAIRE by the end of his 30th year. He knew he was headed for big things.

      A lot of people were trying to build businesses around computers. Almost all failed. Bill Gates succeeded in a HUGE way, just like he said he would. That wasn't just luck. There are a few patterns evident in Microsoft's big successes. Here I'll point out just one of those patterns.

      When Gates was 19 years old, Altair was computer company, a leader of the PC revolution. While his friends worked in supermarkets and restaurants, Gates had the fall to call up Altair and offer to sell them some important software - his BASIC interpreter fot Altair. (Remember Python, Perl, JavaScript, Ruby etc didn't exist at the time - Basic was a big deal). The funny thing about 19 year old Bill Gates selling his Altair BASIC to a huge company is that he didn't have a BASIC interpreter, or even an Altair to develop on one. But sell it he did. This is kinda like a teenager today calling up Amazon and offering to sell them self-driving delivery vans, though they don't even own a van, much less a self-driving one.

      Altair said they were very interested and so set an appointment for a demo a few weeks later. Gates enlisted the help of a few other guys and wrote a BASIC interpreter for a machine none of them owned in a couple of weeks, closing the sale. They had forgotten to write the critical part that makes it start up, so they wrote that on the plane heading to the meeting. Other 19 year olds worked doing delivery for local restaurants, Gates decided his job would be selling software to the largest computer companies. Never mind the fact he had no software to sell, that's just a minor obstacle he can overcome.

      Fast forward a bit. IBM was getting ready to launch a new computer, which would need an operating system. So Gates offered to sell them an operating system, a CP/M clone. Never mind that he didn't HAVE an operating system. He had decided to sell important software to major computer companies, so that's what he did. He wasn't going to let the lack of having any software to sell get in the way. Of course IBM did take him up in his offer to sell them his CP/M clone, called DOS, so hustled to go find a CP/M clone he could buy.

      Bill Gates and Microsoft got big because of had the audacity to go big when he had nothing. Instead of delivering pizzas, he went and made a huge deal selling important software major companies. It could have bombed big time, but it was going to be big either way - Gates made darn sure of that.

      The story of Microsoft and the web (not the internet) is actually a really interesting story, but that's a different post. Basically Microsoft had invested years and a huge amount of money into some really cool technology that would do really cool stuff. Just as they were launching it, along came the web doing the same stuff in a simpler way. Oh fuck! Microsoft was in a panic because they had bet everything on their new technology and here comes a major competitor, HTML. Gates knew that kind of thing was a winner - Microsoft had invested technologies to do what the web does. They just really, really wanted the world to use their technology, not this new open standard that had blind-sided them.

      • IBM dealt with Gates on DOS precisely because he already had an extensive track record delivering what was essentially the operating system (the ROM BASIC's most computers at the time booted to) on nearly a dozen platforms already.

        This is still the way it is. IBM isnt going to do business with you if you dont already have a track record of delivering.
      • In school, Bill Gates used to go around telling people that he'd be a millionaire by the time he was 30. Sure enough, he was a BILLIONAIRE by the end of his 30th year. He knew he was headed for big things.

        Selection bias. How many people went around telling everyone they'd be millionaires by 30, and then ended up homeless?

        • Other than people trying to be rock stars? I suspect not many. Certainly not people who planned to go big in business like Gates. Such people, people like Gates and Dyson, often have a *bankruptcy* or two or three on the way to the big success. That's part of going big - when you go go big you eirher win big or lose big. A Gates, or Dyson or Edison doesn't stay down when a deal doesn't work, they get right back up and into thr next one.

          • Ps - remember he was a 19 year old kid, he had basically nothing before the Big Deal. If that deal had bombed he would he 20 years old with nothing - exactly the same position he was when he went for it the first time. What would a young Bill Gates do if he had nothing after the Altair deal didn't work? Exactly what a young Bill Gates does when he has nothing - He goes for it!

            • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Friday September 18, 2020 @11:57PM (#60520916)

              Ps - remember he was a 19 year old kid, he had basically nothing before the Big Deal.

              He was a 19-year old with very rich, well-connected parents. That likely helped him immensely.

              • I think you overstate it when you say "very rich", especially when the topic is Bill Gates Junior. Here's the house where he grew up, which Zillow lists as 2,000 square feet:
                7016 28th Ave NE, Seattle, WA 98115

                The median home size built last year is 2,687 sq feet. My house at the moment is 3,500 SQ feet and I certainly wouldn't call myself "very rich".

                Senior *was* very involved in local charities, and continued to be very involved in charity until he died, spending his time directing Junior's foundation.

                • Bill Senior believed in giving his wealth away. He even wrote a book on the subject. Senior also was a lawyer and a "name partner" at Preston Gates Ellis, a top 100 law firm in the US.

                  Bill's mother Mary served as president of the United Way and was a regent of the University of Washington - before Microsoft was a thing.

                • by Paul Fernhout ( 109597 ) on Saturday September 19, 2020 @04:41PM (#60522394) Homepage

                  From: https://philip.greenspun.com/b... [greenspun.com] "Lesson 1: Choose Your Grandparents Carefully: William Henry Gates III made his best decision on October 28, 1955, the night he was born. He chose J.W. Maxwell as his great-grandfather. Maxwell founded Seattle's National City Bank in 1906. His son, James Willard Maxwell was also a banker and established a million-dollar trust fund for William (Bill) Henry Gates III. In some of the later lessons, you will be encouraged to take entrepreneurial risks. You may find it comforting to remember that at any time you can fall back on a trust fund worth many millions of 1998 dollars. ..."

                  Beyond starting out wealthy, dumpster diving for source code helped him too, apparently:
                  https://patch.com/california/l... [patch.com]
                  ""I would boost Bill into dumpsters and we'd get these coffee-stained texts (of computer code)" from behind the offices, grinned Allen."

      • by Whatsisname ( 891214 ) on Friday September 18, 2020 @11:15PM (#60520866) Homepage

        Other 19 year olds worked doing delivery for local restaurants

        Don't be so quick to shit on the other 19 year olds. Bill Gates had significant advantages the instant he was born, particularly his parents were already very wealthy enough to enroll him in an exclusive private prep school when he got older. When he was young his school had the funds to purchase equipment and access to GE mainframe, a big deal in 1968.

        Most 19 year olds don't have those kinds of opportunities.

        If Gates was born to an ordinary set of parents he too would have been doing delivery.

        • If Gates was born to an ordinary set of parents he too would have been doing delivery.

          After that he would have been a software developer for Digital Research who never got promoted. He would have been the foul tempered little shit in the corner of the office that everyone avoided.

      • by doesnothingwell ( 945891 ) on Friday September 18, 2020 @11:27PM (#60520876)

        In school, Bill Gates used to go around telling people that he'd be a millionaire by the time he was 30. Sure enough, he was a BILLIONAIRE by the end of his 30th year. He knew he was headed for big things.

        He was the child of a millionaire lawyer, he went to a great college, his mom got him a mention to IBM (she knew a board member). He and Balmer later tried to diddle Paul Allen out of his shares of MS stock because Allen might be dying and they wanted his shares. Gates is a shrewd business man and an above average nerd but a mediocre human being. I wasted many years on his OS crap and will not miss it when it's gone. I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.

      • In school, Bill Gates used to go around telling people that he'd be a millionaire by the time he was 30.

        That did not make him special and it is not what made it happen. I knew lots of kids like that.

        A lot of people were trying to build businesses around computers. Almost all failed.

        Plenty succeded. They just did not make as much money or noise as Gates did.

        When Gates was 19 years old..... While his friends worked in supermarkets and restaurants,

        Clearly their parents were not as rich as Gates' were.

        The funny thing about 19 year old Bill Gates selling his Altair BASIC to a huge company is that he didn't have a BASIC interpreter, or even an Altair to develop on one. But sell it he did.

        That's done a lot in business, even by schoolkids. I know a guy who supplies plastics; he just sits at a desk and if he gets a call from someone wanting plastic he says "Yes", and as soon as he puts the phone down he picks it up again to order it from someone else (who is probably doin

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      • There are federal regulations limiting the hours a trucker may drive. I just looked at a summary of them, and they're not "already pushing the unsafe limits of sleep deprivation."
      • Sure it will be great until a truck hits someone. Then the "safety driver" will go to jail and we won't hear about it again for awhile.
    • Is it just me, or does it appear that the Tesla Semi has been place on hold?

      • It is just you.

        They are building factories and capacity at a much greater rate than most predicted. The current factories are running as expected or better. Still Tesla cannot keep up with demand.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      He did not get lucky at all. It was all quite shonky. His mommy and daddy were really good pals with IBM lawyers and they set it all up, especially the no copyright sign over bit. He did not even have an OS but had to buy one to onrent to IBM, yeah, kickbacks for the lawyers all round, great big old kickbacks, IBM investors of course, go right royally screwed over by their own lawyers. All a insider scam to rip off IBM, really quite naughty stuff, they basically stole M$ from IBM.

      Lie, cheat and steal it is

      • Isnt that the Apple model? Exhibit A - the iPhone. Apple partnered with Motorola on the iTunes phone - Motorola Rokr for ONE YEAR to learn how to make phones and next year released their own iPhone
        • No. Rokr gave them the incentive to push it out due to its suckage.
          Motorola didn't make anything much different from Nokia, RIM, or Sony.
          Apple already had(copied) multitouch in the lab on a demo tablet-ish device.
          There were loads of off the shelf parts available to make a cell phone at the time.

          I had a great tiny Sony phone at the time that was about 2x2x1 inch,
          and Sony was already a long time Apple vendor.

          They didn't need Motorola for them to learn how, as much as how not to.
          Apple already made iPods so the

          • by ghoul ( 157158 )
            The Motorola Razr was THE phone of 2006. Noone else had a a phone as sexy till the iPhone came out. Motorola engineers have gone on rcord to say Apple sabotaged the Rokr and made it suck in software to clear the way for the iPhone while getting access to the Motorola supply chain of component makers they would need for the iPhone
    • He got lucky with MS-DOS and Windows, being in the right place at the right time, and having no qualms about hurting good people to get what he wants.

      The geek has a mythology he can't let go,

      Luck favors the prepared. Microsoft had a solid suite of programming languages for the eight bit micro --- and in MBASIC the first program for the micro to see a million dolars in sales. It was well positioned for a move into the 16 bit world and operating systems. The IBM PC team was thinking in terms of a modular design built from generic parts and a painless transition from 8 bit CP/M. Moving fast and thinking cheap. MSDOS $50 retail at launch and "good enough"

    • You only have to be lucky once ;)
  • Elon Musk (Score:4, Insightful)

    by slazzy ( 864185 ) on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:06PM (#60520542) Homepage Journal
    Elon wouldn't waste time choosing between 200 different shades of beige for a new product, he'd just get the shit done.
    • Re:Elon Musk (Score:5, Insightful)

      by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Friday September 18, 2020 @10:52PM (#60520834)

      And that's why there's a stupid big-ass tablet in the middle of the Model 3 instead of a dashboard directly in front of the driver.

      • Re:Elon Musk (Score:5, Insightful)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Saturday September 19, 2020 @05:18AM (#60521266) Homepage Journal

        I think that just a cost-cutting measure. Complex dashboards are expensive to produce and you have to finalize the car's UI before you can even start designing it. Switching to a touch screen means you can save money on all the parts that would normally be needed and release a beta interface to be finished later.

        • But they already have to manufacture a custom dashboard display for the Model S and probably at other non-Model 3 ones. At the very least, it's easy to source ultrawide LCDs now so even a long rectangular display in the dashboard would have been better than of a big-ass tablet sticking out in the middle of the car.

        • Always great when your vehicle manufacturer finds ways to cut costs that make you less safe.
      • by Twinbee ( 767046 )
        And I wouldn't have it any other way. The wheel blocks the readings and it's no effort to turn your head, especially when most stuff is done automatically (heating/cooling, lights, wipers etc. etc.).
        • It's no effort to turn your head, but as the driver your head should be pointed at the road not away from it.

          • by Twinbee ( 767046 )
            Your eyes are glancing down normally, so you don't have direct vision of the road in a normal car then either.
          • by SpiceWare ( 3438 )
            As a driver you should be aware of what is going on ALL AROUND your car. It is not any more difficult to glance down while checking to the right than it is to glance down while checking directly ahead.
      • I prefer the tablet. A lot. After driving a Model 3 most other cars feel backwards. It is easier to drive. More fun to drive. And safer. This might not be true for everyone. But most owners give the Model 3 very high ratings.
    • by spazmonkey ( 920425 ) on Friday September 18, 2020 @11:13PM (#60520862)
      Yup. At least the parts falling off new Teslas are not beige. Well, except for that Home Depot fake wood chair moulding they duct taped the cooling system in with. That was beige.
      • Well, except for that Home Depot fake wood chair moulding they duct taped the cooling system in with. That was beige.

        What? LOL

    • Which is why his cars have huge panel gaps, zip-tied parts, and buyers rebuilding parts of their interior to fix numerous build quality issues.

      Steve Jobs wouldn't have let any of that happen

      • Jobs' cars would have no bonnet/hood that you could open, because the joint line would spoil the style and also for your own safety. When the battery failed or the engine blew up for lack of oil changes you would buy a new one.
        • "When the battery failed or the engine blew up for lack of oil changes you would buy a new one."

          No way, I've got the special MacHoodWhacker tool. It's a Torx that reaches all the way from the bottom of the vehicle to remove the screws, which are all the way at the top...

    • Elon wouldn't waste time choosing between 200 different shades of beige for a new product, he'd just get the shit done.

      Shit coloured cars? I had one like that, and at least it hid the rust.

  • Why compare? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by AlanObject ( 3603453 ) on Friday September 18, 2020 @08:36PM (#60520610)

    Obvious question with an obvious answer

    Everyone wants to know the (or "a") majik formula for generating a zillion-dollar market-cap company, then getting in early on it with warrants and options at a super-cheap strike price.

    Gates' answer was pretty much spot on. Jobs and Musk are two completely different animals and both found success in different ways. What the story didn't do is then compare Gates to either of them. If I had to say Gates would have to be more like Musk than Jobs in that he had his hands in the actually engineering his company did.

    Where Musk is much different from both of them is that Musk seems to be a serial success maker. Telsa, SpaceX, the Boring Company, etc. Jobs and Gates were one-company only.

    What seems to be most common among them is that they have this driven quality, pretty much manic really, that compelled people working for them to believe in what they were doing.

    Where all three are also the same is that you will find in /. and other forum sites an endless supply of dismissive and snarky opinions by mediocre engineers convinced that they would have been much better than Musk, Gates, and Jobs combined if only they had luck and all the stupid people around them would have listed to them.

    So roll on, dudes. That's your cue.

    • Re:Why compare? (Score:5, Informative)

      by NotTheSame ( 6161704 ) on Saturday September 19, 2020 @04:57AM (#60521238)

      Jobs and Gates were one-company only.

      That isn't correct.

      After Jobs was forced out of Apple in 1985, he founded NeXT, which he sold to Apple for $427 million in 1987. In 1985 Jobs co-founded Pixar, which Disney eventually bought in 2006 for $7.4 billion.

      • Re:Why compare? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by presearch ( 214913 ) on Saturday September 19, 2020 @08:40AM (#60521484)

        Jobs invested in Pixar, but was not a founder or cofounder.
        That would be Ed Catmull and Alvy Ray Smith, with original funding from George Lucas,
        well before Jobs put money in. Jobs may have "saved" Pixar, but he was not a founder.
        They needed his money, but dreaded him coming near the place.

        Alvy got screwed on that history, and deserves as much or more credit as anyone else
        involved with starting Pixar, including coming up with the name.
        From first hand experience, Alvy is also an insightful and exceptionally kind man.

        I'm in no way a Jobs hater, but fair is fair.
        Jobs may have demoed alpha transparency in early OS X keynotes, but Alvy invented it.

      • After Jobs was forced out of Apple in 1985, he founded NeXT, which he sold to Apple for $427 million in 1987. I

        I would argue that NeXT was nothing more from beginning to end an Apple subsidiary and surrogate. It doesn't really count as a separate company. Yeah they produced hardware which nobody bought or got excited over, same as with many Appie products. Had Apple management after Jobs fizzled and Jobs not been a major player in the company with a fan base they never would have been able to sell NeXT OS back into Apple. They certainly would have never been able to sell it anywhere else and the company would

  • Lol (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Friday September 18, 2020 @09:02PM (#60520666)

    The comments here are golden. I'm sure gates said 640k! Yet no one can find a shred of evidence it was ever said by anyone. Gates is such an idiot because _________. Says the guy who does little besides post to slashdot.

  • Isn't it early for April's Fool jokes?
  • Why offer the podium to a person like Bill Gates?
    A failed antivirologist on his Windows platfrom, thunk he gan gain more money and inflcuence by sponsring the WHO, no started analysing people like Elon and Steve?
    Please let him get old and leave him alone.
  • Who is Bill Gates, and why should I care what he thinks about other people? These guys are a hundred times smarter than Gates. Why not ask him to compare Newton and Leibniz?

  • It's especially funny for Gates to predict the future of cars.

    The funniest thing about him, for me, is his book "The Road Ahead", in the mid-90's, where, let me repeat, in the mid-90's, he dismissed the Internet almost completely. He was really trying to will that MSN future into being, like Trump trying to dismiss the coronavirus, nothing to see here, folks.

    He was forced to issue a 2.0 version of the book, with the Internet admitted to be a big part of The Road Ahead, just a couple of years later.

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