Plex Triples Lifetime Subscription Cost To $750 (nerds.xyz) 87
BrianFagioli shares a report from NERDS.xyz: Plex is raising the price of a new Lifetime Plex Pass from $249.99 to $749.99 on July 1. That's a $500 increase for media server software. Plex says it needs the money for "long-term development" and future features, but a lot of self-hosting folks are already wondering if this is basically a soft way of killing the Lifetime option without officially removing it. At nearly $750, are people just going to move to Jellyfin instead? As for those future improvements, Plex said the roadmap includes better downloads support, restored music and photo library support in mobile apps, NFO metadata support, IPv6 support, playlist editing on mobile, audio enhancements, and transcoding improvements.
I don't believe in 'lifetime support' (Score:5, Insightful)
Instead, sell a lifetime license to a particular major version with a specified support period. If I want to run an old version that's been compromised... that's my problem. If I am happy with not having the latest codecs and plug-ins... that's my problem.
And if I'm not happy, I can buy a new license for the latest major version to fix that.
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Instead, sell a lifetime license to a particular major version with a specified support period. If I want to run an old version that's been compromised... that's my problem. If I am happy with not having the latest codecs and plug-ins... that's my problem.
And if I'm not happy, I can buy a new license for the latest major version to fix that.
A "Lifetime license" is only the lifetime of the company with it's current owners. But your strategy will likely cost you much more on a binary only program. Particularly, if you ever want to move to newer hardware.
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Re:I don't believe in 'lifetime support' (Score:5, Interesting)
Instead, sell a lifetime license to a particular major version with a specified support period. If I want to run an old version that's been compromised... that's my problem.
You realize you've described exactly how software was sold back in the '90s and early 2000s, right? Today software companies claim they can't do that because it doesn't guarantee a regular enough revenue stream (to please their shareholders). I think the issue is more it requires them to make continuous improvements to entice customers into paying for upgrades for newer versions, rather than sitting back and collecting rent on your usage with no more effort (like Adobe). And as the software evolves it reaches a point most people consider it feature complete and don't care about upgrading unless an OS update breaks the old version.
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And if I'm not happy, I can buy a new license for the latest major version to fix that.
I don't understand what you think a lifetime support license is, but there's nothing in that which precludes the former. There's no reason you need to pay for single licenses to run outdated software. That is a choice you can make with a lifetime support license as well.
But the problem here is, connected services. Your system works well for offline software (I have a lifetime license for certain astronomy software which gives me free access to all future versions, I'm currently running a version 8 major ver
Re: I don't believe in 'lifetime support' (Score:3)
Me either.
However, Plex isn't just a software license. It is also a service. The lifetime subscription offers OTA EPG for my DVR. That is a service that typically costs $20 - $50/year. DVR is hardly usable without an EPG.
OTA DVR is main reason i have a Plex pass. It only cost some $120 during a black friday sale years ago. I'm watching OTA content on my Plex media server right now. There are a lot of bugs that haven't been fixed. Subtitle corruption especially. Hugely annoying.
Plex also requires cloud logi
Re: I don't believe in 'lifetime support' (Score:2)
I bought one of the original first Plex passes and it cost me about $50 or so. This is reasonable payback for investing early in an idea and my early money has given them the ability to scale.
Re-pricing the lifetime Plex pass to $250 or so would probably be reasonable and would still get good uptake, but I can understand why they want to move most people onto a subscription model and that does not seem unreasonable for a good product with good support.
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Chances are they want to get rid of the lifetime option. They're basically announcing it - it's there, but it's crazy so you're not likely to ever pick it because it would take 10 years to recoup.
But instead of incurring the negative publicity of c
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Plex's business model (Score:5, Insightful)
I've never understood Plex. People pay a third party service for the right to access their own self-hosted server filled with pirated content? And hand their identity over to Plex while doing so?
Plex isn't for pirated content (Score:5, Interesting)
I mean, some people probably use it for that, but Plex with a tuner card and everything you get with their subscription is the best streaming option out there.
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Plex with a tuner card
Looks a lot like that ATSC tuner/DVR which I bought for about $30.
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How do you stream your ATSC tuner / DVR on your mobile phone when you're on public transit or want to watch a local football game when you're overseas? How good is the guide with your tuner?
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HDHomerun does this for waaay cheaper than Plex.
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You plug the tuner's USB port into a networked storage device. Which looks like a hard drive on the USB end. But a little streaming server on the back end.
Something that most of the techies here can figure out. Leaving the non-tech people as fodder for the commercial cloud businesses.
Re:Plex isn't for pirated content (Score:5, Informative)
Exactly this.
The DVR setup using TCP/IP tuners like the Silicon Dust HDHomeRun series (which I have) is very easy, not quite 1-button, but close. It scans for the Tuner, creates a "DVR" and then scans for over the air channels and populates a list automatically. Then, it downloads the guide data automatically. The quality of the guide data so far as not been bad, not too many errors, but it only goes about a week into the future so far.
The Plex Pass might give you more than you expect, free lifetime DVR guide data as mentioned above is but one of the things the Pass gets you. Here's a quick list off the top of my head:
1. Registration with their proxy servers in case forwarding is needed for double-NAT situations, a nice feature every now and then.
2. Free OTA DVR guide data (as mentioned above, probably what, a $20.00/year value or so?).
3. Access to paid client binaries like for phones or tablets (such as iOS or Android). Some clients are free, like PC/Mac clients.
4. About 200-300 streaming TV channels, IPTV like HULU/FUBO/Sling, etc. It's the same slop you get on cable TV besides the premium stuff HBO, etc and live Sports, mostly. You know, 24-hour History Channel (but not the actual History Channel, like a "best of" thing.
So, the "Lifetime Plex Pass" gets you IPTV, worth about $50 a month, and Guide Service, worth about $20 a year, you're saving about $620 per YEAR. For IPTV and/or DVR service, that's not too bad comparatively. But now, it looks like the new price point is right up there - it looks like they have priced it so that unless things get more expensive (a likely possibility!) you're just about at the break-even point.
Also, just so no one thinks I'm a biased rabid drooling fan, here's a few of the things I DON'T like about Plex:
1. Seems to go "offline" or have internet connection issues related to the server being available. Sometimes the proxy bridging servers (mentioned above) help this situation, but not always.
2. Transcoding and speed issues related to that. Unfortunately, it seems like Plex tries to aggressively transcode EVERYTHING, even when it shouldn't or doesn't need to. There are some settings that affect this or are supposed to but there are still some issues with it (there are some good Reddit threads on this).
3. Customer Service just seems mostly like a search engine for some things that people have had issues with, and somehow never got responses or resolutions to. I hate tech support threads or forums that exactly describe the problem that I am having, but don't have a solution or any published answer or followup. "At that point the poster suffered a fatal coronary?"
OK, that's about it. I just wanted to comment about the mixed feelings I had since the price was going up. FWIW, I bought mine back in 2021 and back then it was just under $100.00, I show $95 and change, probably with tax. As I recall it went to $100, $110 or $120, then $150. Then I think it jumped to $250 where it's at now. It's still a VERY good deal until July 1, 2026, at which point it will become a FAIR deal, unless things change.
Note: I am not an employee or affiliated with Plex in any way, but I'm a reasonably happy customer. I've been using it now for about 6 years with my own local video server, a local TV Tuner (Silicon Dust HDHomeRun QUATTRO) and TV viewing PC, which will record 4 OTA channels at once. I have had very few issues, as I said it was beguilingly easy to get set up initially, very simple configuration and maintenance, and most things seem to work pretty well in general.
Mr.T
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OTA just seems like such an inconvenient waste of time and resources now. It doesn't help that you need a licence for it in the UK, but even if it was free, it seems like it is easier to just pirate the small amount of stuff that is worth watching. And these days that is approaching zero, and what there is can be streamed anyway.
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Anyway, the prime reason for my OTA setup is for Football season (the American kind). I spent a couple hundred bucks once to set it up, a dual Silicon Dust IP tuner, good antenna, and plex-pass on sale. Now I can watch the games with no additional cost.
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True, many of my friends do exactly that. They skip the entire OTA tuner deal and just download the few things they want to watch. Although at the heart of it, that content is just OTA programming that was ripped off-air elsewhere by some other bloke using their hardware.
I just worry though, without broadcast TV, would they still waste time making content for the medium? Soap Operas, Game Shows, etc. I suppose can survive in a streaming fashion. But again, would they still bother to funnel money into pr
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I mean, some people probably use it for that, but Plex with a tuner card and everything you get with their subscription is the best streaming option out there.
There hasn't been anything on OTA TV that I've cared to watch ever since all the major networks moved anything halfway decent behind the paywalls of their respective branded streaming services.
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I don't know what the plex business model is these days but in the golden days you could still use plex without having to pay for it. The commercial offering only got you a android / apple app and the ability to stream to remote mobile devices.
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I don't know what the plex business model is these days but in the golden days you could still use plex without having to pay for it.
You can still use Plex without paying for it. Reddit just has this meme idea you can't use Plex without hardware acceleration (just don't use some consumer NAS appliance as the server). The only two "killer features" that are behind a paywall are hardware accelerated encoding and (more recently) remote video streaming. I have a Lifetime Pass, but I've never had a system that supports hardware acceleration, and I use remote video streaming so rarely simply saving the content before I leave home on a laptop's
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Re: Plex's business model (Score:3)
You can still stream music without paying, it's only restricted for video. For personal use you also have the option of the cheaper Remote Watch Pass to cover your remote video needs.
I mean personally I leave my house to get out, not sit around watching videos like I'm at home. Plex for me was originally about not having to build a full-fledge HTPC to watch media on the living room TV. The only time I remote watch is really when I'm out of town staying at a hotel with a Fire Stick.
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If "free" Plex can't transcode and can't stream externally, you may as well skip it entirely and just run something like FileZilla on your media server and use Kodi on the client(s). In fact, I lived with this exact setup until I got around to finally setting up JellyFin.
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If "free" Plex can't transcode and can't stream externally...
No, I didn't say that. Free Plex cannot use hardware accelerated transcoding. It's only software transcoding in the free Plex level. And that's fine for me. Even with a Plex Pass now, I still run Plex on a Xeon-D system with no discrete graphics card, so I still have only software transcoding. But with eight cores hyperthreaded I can transcode anything 1080p or below and still keep a respectable idle power draw. I can't transcode 4K, or tonemap HDR, but I only watch that content on devices that support dire
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Which CPU are you using? Pre-Skylake CPUs should still have an iGPU and support some level of hardware transcoding.
I switched to having a separate N5095 based NAS, with an N100 based mini PC as the application host. The N100 can do hardware 4K and HDR tone mapping and sips 6W of power and spikes that max out around 15W. My overall max power of both system is in the mid 60Ws with the majority of that being spinning rust.
RAM and storage prices have currently killed off the cheap Mini PC. But they used to be ~
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The Intel N100 is the performance of an 8th gen i5 at drastically lower power draw and includes the iGPU media engine that was included in 12th-14th gen chips. That can handle 4K media transcoding including h.265 HEVC and AV1 decoding in hardware.
I ran a 2nd gen SandyBridge monolith system with storage and services for near a decade. And that got long in the tooth and struggled to transcode.
I've moved to using TrueNAS for storage as I determined having storage on its own layer is fine as storage capacity is
Re:Plex's business model (Score:4, Informative)
I've never understood Plex. People pay a third party service for the right to access their own self-hosted server filled with pirated content?
I think you're missing that Plex has been around for a long time now, and the alternatives you are thinking of were not an option back then. Jellyfin has only been a viable competitor with client support and features for a couple years now, and you still have to set up your remote access solution yourself. Plex works well for people who are less technically inclined, and the people they want to share that access with. It would be logical for there to be a large installed base of people with established servers from back then.
Whenever I hear someone brush off secure remote access on Jellyfin with "just set up Tailscale and connect your devices" I have to wonder how many elderly relatives they have walked through doing that with a streaming device.
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>"Whenever I hear someone brush off secure remote access on Jellyfin with "just set up Tailscale and connect your devices" I have to wonder how many elderly relatives they have walked through doing that with a streaming device."
To which I would respond, how many elderly relatives need REMOTE access to their local video content? I have a TiVo. I don't think I have ever needed or wanted remote access to it. I also have Jellyfin and even minidlna running on my Linux desktop (both of which I can access wi
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Whenever I hear someone brush off secure remote access on Jellyfin with "just set up Tailscale and connect your devices" I have to wonder how many elderly relatives they have walked through doing that with a streaming device.
To which I would respond, how many elderly relatives need REMOTE access to their local video content?
To which I would respond, "You aren't following the convo". This isn't about a local server. It's about all the people who run Plex servers in their home that are used by friends and family that live other places (like their elderly parents in another state). With Plex, these people getting connected is a piece of cake. You just open the app, link your device with the app code (or sign-in with your Plex account), and you're off to the races. Same as if they were using Netflix or HBOMax.
Now, you can set up J
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>"This isn't about a local server. It's about all the people who run Plex servers in their home that are used by friends and family that live other places"
Ah, OK, thanks for that clarification.
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it's /.
Here's the standard person complaining about what someone who isn't them does with their own money.
How dare you spend your own money, on a interface that allows to you stream movies, tv episodes, music, in a easy interface that your parents can use....
Anyone who stupidly keeps pitching the non-intelligent "paying to access your own content" bit - well - showing that you're a moron.....
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So, I could walk anyone through a Plex install on Windows, but maybe not on Linux. Though I don't know any Linux users who would need help with it.
I have Jellyfin installed on my server alongside Plex, but I've never finished setting Jellyfin up. No point s
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I actually started off
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The main point of plex for me has been that it has client apps on most major platforms like Android, Roku, Apple TV, iPhone etc. So I get a nice media browsing experience that is not the hell that is DLNA that the wife and kids are willing to use without having to root my devices. I understand the situation /w Jellyfin in terms of client support is better now, but it was not there when I started using plex to build my media library.
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I understand the situation /w Jellyfin in terms of client support is better now
Indeed last time I looked at Jellyfin it had no TV clients, but it seems like all major brands have had a native client now for around 5 years. I think it's time I look into it again.
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*** Correction: no they haven't had a client for 5 years, they have a client that works on TVs that are younger than 5 years old.
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And since I only use it locally, I never had any reason to spend money on it.
Jellyfin (Score:5, Interesting)
As soon as Plex started pushing it as a social media platform I jumped ship. Jellyfin is hilariously superior.
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Jellyfin is the goat.
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What kind of weirdo browses photos on his TV?
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But, oh my! Is that why the price is going to jump? To push people into buying now when they might not otherwise do so?
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Media scans under the current version of jellyfin take massively longer than plex, so much so that autoscan set for 12 hour periods never completes and new media never shows up. Plex finds the new media ~instantaneously.
This is the result of the major database refactor they did for version 10.11. They have merged a large PR [github.com] to address other performance issues caused by this, but scanning performance is not really included in that.
There seem to be numerous reports along the same lines in the jellyfin tracker, but I've not seen an indication that this is already resolved or in the process of being resolved.
They aren't going to address it until the next major version after the one they have not released yet. It's only in discussion stage [github.com] now. So it''s gonna be a problem for probably another year (?) given the development pace.
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But it is the Jellyfin clients where it is truly lacking. Swif
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Makes me think of Boxee and why I never used it.
Re:Jellyfin (Score:4, Interesting)
Jellyfin is hilariously superior.
The problem with generalities is that they are easily disproven. Jellyfin is superior if you want to stream content to your phone without paying. I'll give you that. If on the other hand you are on a local network and want to do something like just use your TV to play content stored on your NAS then currently Plex is vastly superior, faster, more polished, more automated, and more reliable.
I hope Jellyfin catches up, but right now unless you need to stream outside your network I see no reason to jump ship from Plex given that Plex is also free in this regard. And as for privacy - no one really gives a shit that someone knows they watched all 5 Sharknado movies in one go.
Exactly 10x (Score:5, Informative)
...what I paid for it a decade ago.
It still does the things I wanted it for then, but I can't say I've really used any of the new features added over the last decade, which if anything pushed "just stream my media" to the background.
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I know everybody turns off any new features immediately upon release, but with the new(ish) agent the way some of the various bits and pieces have come together has been pretty great.
Credits are global now, so youre watching something "why does he look familiar?", you click down to the actor now it shows you their whole filmography, you can watchlist stuff right there, and even a little category 'Youve seen them in' with anything with them in any of your libraries youve watched by recent. Not just other sho
This will not drive me to Jellyfin, regardless (Score:2)
It can't, because I already switched over to Jellyfin a couple years ago! /rimshot
KI.S.S. (Score:2)
Samba share +VPN is good enough for me
i never used PlexPass (Score:2)
The synology i bought in 2016 had no hardware media codecs or GPU. So the plex pass had no inherent advabtage.
Also, it came with VideoStation. At the time plex did some things that videostation did not, and videostation did things that plex did not (in particular, folder view, and android app at no extra cost), so they complemented each other nicely. I used both.
Now, if you re-introduce video station, it is half-broken, and plex has deviated from local media streaming to streaming a la carte + live tv + gam
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Jellyfin my man, and https://mariushosting.com/?s=j... [mariushosting.com] to help you out installing it.
$750 to boost revenue and sell (Score:4, Interesting)
$750 per sucker = larger bottom line. Larger revenue = sale to larger fish. Larger fish = broken contract and $750 really means one year subscription (force migration to new platform).
Plex is what? (Score:2)
HMU (Score:4, Interesting)
I haven't used my plex lifetime license in over 2 years and I have several friends that have moved away from their plex lifetime licenses. Would there be a resell market allowing us to sell these lifetime licenses on to someone else?
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It's stable and works well. It's simple for family members of varying technical ability to use on a streaming box/smart tv with a remote.
Jellyfin does try to be all these things, but is a steaming pile. When they changed their db schema a few months ago, I got completely broken. I had already been dealing with all their ancient .net code forked from Emby having all sorts of parsing errors. That got worse with their new db stack. The database then started corrupting itself daily requiring restoring a ba
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Oh jellyfin oh jellyfin ... (Score:1)
... you are truly for the win.
trying to kill off lifetime... (Score:2)
Lifetime licenses rarely last (Score:2)
Basically I wouldn't trust any product to be lifetime unless the entirety of the software can be downloaded with its own license key and continues to work r
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Jellyfin (Score:2)
Worth lifetime when I got it (Score:2)
I got lifetime when Google dropped their Google Play Music service. I used Play Music to have my entire music collection clouded, plus manage playlists and other stuff that I really relied on it for the car, walking to work, etc. When Google gimped that with the YouTube Music transition, I needed to replace that functionality, and Plex plus my NAS plus services they included with Plex Pass worked well.
As for the " restored music and photo library support in mobile apps" efforts to be funded by the price hik