Amazon To Halt Some of Its DEI Programs (cnbc.com) 48
Amazon said it is halting some of its diversity and inclusion initiatives, joining a growing list of major corporations that have made similar moves in the face of increasing public and legal scrutiny. From a report: In a Dec. 16 internal note to staffers that was obtained by CNBC, Candi Castleberry, Amazon's VP of inclusive experiences and technology, said the company was in the process of "winding down outdated programs and materials" as part of a broader review of hundreds of initiatives.
"Rather than have individual groups build programs, we are focusing on programs with proven outcomes -- and we also aim to foster a more truly inclusive culture," Castleberry wrote in the note, which was first reported by Bloomberg. Castleberry's memo doesn't say which programs the company is dropping as a result of its review. Further reading: Meta Kills DEI Programs.
"Rather than have individual groups build programs, we are focusing on programs with proven outcomes -- and we also aim to foster a more truly inclusive culture," Castleberry wrote in the note, which was first reported by Bloomberg. Castleberry's memo doesn't say which programs the company is dropping as a result of its review. Further reading: Meta Kills DEI Programs.
Purely a coincidence... (Score:4, Insightful)
Very simple logic. (Score:3, Insightful)
If diversity benefits the company's bottom line, then there is no need for a special program for it. It will happen naturally thanks to the profit motive.
If diversity does not benefit the company's bottom line, then the program was always harmful and unjust towards anyone not included (whites). In that case, anyone who was formerly chosen just because of such programs can work on bettering themselves so they will have legit competitive advantages to win jobs.
In either case, things are better and more fair
It's more due to reduced employee power (Score:3)
that the GOP is about to take control of all ends of government.
I think it's more that they're having a lot less trouble finding the engineers they need. When there was a massive shortage, every tech company was acting like a geek day care and doing whatever they could to foster a frat house environment for programmer types. If Amazon had their way, they'd treat their engineers just as poorly as they treat their drivers. It's just that labor market dynamics used to work in favor of the talent and now have changed in the employer's favor.
Interest rates have made i
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DEI was a box they needed to tick to get those sweet government contracts.
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I'm thinking you are confusing correlation with causation.
I believe that it was the rise of the GOP and the demise of DEI that had a shared cause. This opposition to DEI was growing for some time, it has simply reached a point where people weren't putting up with it any more. They decided to act in whatever ways available to put an end to it. One such action was taking DEI policies to court, which was closely followed by an election where voters chose candidates that opposed DEI as part of their platform
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You're dramatically overthinking it. Remember that the stinky convict got less than 50% of the vote. Had the GOP ran anyone else they'd have lost ... even with the other side doing everything in their power to alienate their voters playing Republican-lite.
Tax paid (Score:2)
https://www.wsj.com/politics/e... [wsj.com]
Ring kissed. H-1B applicants for all!
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Ironically, the H1Bs will probably make them meet DEI targets more than anything else.
The big lie (Score:4, Interesting)
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We have all seen examples of sensors and cameras that don't recognise certain skin colours. Nothing to do with culture.
Re: The big lie (Score:1)
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If your sensor is so bad it can't cope with that contrast, and if you can't mititgate it in some way....
Probably shouldn't release that product.
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Well you got your title right
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And don't expect any favors from me.
We didn't expect any, we expected you would treat people fairly. They weren't, they were denied, murdered, redlined, etc. So you got DEI. Don't like it, don't silently abuse people. I treat everyone equally, whereas the reich wing implicitly treated anyone of the "wrong" category as subhuman and filed them away. Maybe when enough boomers are dead (the people were directly members of the Klan and were truly racist scum), and there's not racism behind closed doors, will things not require DEI. Going to be a
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Don't like it, don't silently abuse people.
Where have you been? They loudly abuse people these days.
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Every time you use the word woke, god makes another drag queen.
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this seems to lean into the false dichotomy of woke vs religion.
im an antiwoke atheist who finds the idea of having to affirm other people's belief in a gendered soul one of the most absurdly condecending bullshit ever, far worse than christianity or islam, because at least those bastards know they are a religion. the gender cultists find the observation that their ideology is a belief system to be one of the most genocidal transgressions against transfolk...
each to their own is not good enough for these pe
Re: Okay. So let's say this is about expediency (Score:1)
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Everyone is a minority of one, trying to find enough commonality to work together effectively as a society.
You're such a obvious liar. If you really believed that, then why are you so upset that some people identify as transgender? Why don't you want them to have the same rights as everyone else? Why can't you put your personal hangups aside and try "to find enough commonality to work together effectively as a society"?
1/10 Try harder.
Re: Okay. So let's say this is about expediency (Score:2)
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this seems to lean into the false dichotomy of woke vs religion.
That's ... certainly a take. The parent's comment had nothing to do with religion and certainly wasn't pitting "woke" against it. Being "woke" has nothing to do with religion, though there is a strong case to be made for most flavors of Christianity to embrace "woke" based on their own teachings and values. The parent is poking fun at the right-wing culture-warrior religious hypocrites.
I don't know why I'm explaining this to you. It's obvious from your post that you're really, really, stupid. Tell me
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This didn't start in 2010, this goes way back.
It would be difficult to pin down a date on when this all started since I could make an argument this started back in the mid-1700s. There were many hints of how women viewed their role in society shifted as technology allowed more freedom from domestic duties and offered employment in factories and such than working from home.
The current view on this, where racism became a big part of this effort, likely started in the 1940s as WW2 no longer allowed for the lu
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Wow, you really are stupid. The country didn't reject DEI, dipshit. This is about placating the smelly orange traitor we're about to put in the whitehouse, assuming one of his followers doesn't assassinate him first. The majority of the country is perfectly fine with DEI, woke, and all the other things you're really upset about but can't even come close to correctly defining.
Don't forget "legal scrutiny" is the reason. (Score:5, Insightful)
From the fine article:
Amazon is the latest major corporation to alter its DEI programs in the face of growing legal and public scrutiny.
I doubt this has much to do with shifting political winds, this is in large part in response to organizations having their DEI polices deemed as racist in the courts. DEI should lose in the courts out of racism because DEI is quite explicitly racist.
This issue has been beaten quite thoroughly in the comments on Meta dropping their DEI policies, there's not likely to be much added in comments to Amazon doing the same. This isn't going to be some return to prejudice against minorities since the courts have been quite consistent in fighting racism in all forms. I know there will be some that will want to argue against this point, perhaps with examples of racism seen here and there, including racism seen from the courts themselves. I'm not going to claim racism is gone, only that the claims of "systemic" racism isn't likely to hold up any more.
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It's like you're trying to win the dumbest poster of the day award.
Once again, I'll try to explain this shit to the terminally stupid. I'll use a very simple example. See if you can follow along. I'll even use small words:
1. In the morning, all the kids coming into the classroom are give a cookie except for the non-white kids.
2. At lunchtime, all the kids are give a cookie except for the non-white kids.
3. At the end of the day, all the kids are given a cookie except for the non-white kids who are given t
Re: DEI violates the 1866 & 1964 civil rights (Score:2)
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It very obviously does not. I'd tell you to stop being stupid, but I don't want to make fun of someone for an obvious mental disability.
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Become an employer of at least 15 people and see how this goes.
https://www.eeoc.gov/overview [eeoc.gov]
Racism, misogyny, and homophobia (Score:2, Insightful)
There is a lot of those three things still very present in the USA, it is systemic. People try to say that asserting this fact is 'woke' or whatever, but there is huge evidence that it's true. DEI has been a rightful attempt to challenge the idea that racism, misogyny, and homophobia are appropriate and applicable to the workplace.
Now we have a political climate where the three things are seen as acceptable.
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That all you got?
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There seems to be a fine line here. DEI programs tend to go farther than treating everyone (such as people of different races or sexual orientations) equally. They tend to prioritize doing business with, and promoting, people who belong to these groups. Everyone *should* be treated equally. But going farther than equal probably *should* be controversial. And controversial isn't good for big business, as Bud Light found out.
Re: Racism, misogyny, and homophobia (Score:2)
It's a virtue signal (Score:1)
The entire DEI push was an attempt to get women and minorities into programming so that they could have a larger pool of labor and therefore have to pay less for employees. It was always just a scam.
Those women and minorities could see the writing on the wall with the H-1B visa program flooding the market so they wisely stayed away and h
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My company will keep DEI. Instead of hiring the most qualified candidate, we will higher only the gayest.
So ... you believe the most qualified candidates are all straight? You bigots are WAY too transparent.
DEI must DIE (Score:3)
Diversity is great! Natural diversity of competent people chosen for their skills who happen to be diverse.
Racism and hate sucks! But forcing people to work with others they hate is a bad strategy.
What's even worse is the insulting crap some of the trainers tell the employees.
They say that a person who is not a racist, expresses no racist views, advocates no racist policies, and advocates for fair treatment for all is secretly, subconsciously racist. This is insulting and insanely wrong. This kind of crap does no good and turns allies into enemies.
We need fair and equal treatment for all and absolute equality under the law.
Hiring should be based solely on skills and competence, nothing else