This is such a perfect example of why Republicans are in really deep shit. They are reduced to making arguments that are painfully obviously complete bullshit. No-one wants to eat liver instead of steak, gas prices have gone up not down, we all remember that Trump said he wasn't going to start a war in Iran, and Mississippi has not been a Democrat-run state for decades. What the fuck are you talking about "their Dem governor"? The last dem governor was booted out 22 years ago -- Ronnie Musgrove. All three governors since then have been Republicans.

You people are such pathetic trash. Just pathetic little lies that are instantly, obviously false to everyone.

If that were the only issue, you would expect no meaningful difference in takeup between the US and European countries, but that's not the case. Those who run the infrastructure in the US have economic interests in preventing it improving that do not exist in other countries, and the capability of exploiting US fragmentation of regulation across states to resist progress.

Consumers in African countries have famously had mobile banking that skipped legacy system for many years now, maybe even a decade. European consumers have long had instant payments with no fees. So far as I remembered, practically the only country where consumers still don't have this is the US, thanks to its crazy patchwork of banking systems with embedded corporate and anti-consumer interests. Just like the US is the only country where checks are still in regular use, and paying with a card can still sometimes only be done with a signature(!) instead of chip-and-pin or contactless, etc. I remember going to Chicago for HIMSS a couple of years ago and not being able to pay for pizza in a big restaurant with Apple Pay. Like so much of US life, it's just antiquated.

The net new stuff from consumer / small biz perspective is push-to-pay (theoretically exists in some countries but rarely used), the zero cost payment system for micro merchants, and payment inside messaging. All the rest of the net new is behind the scenes architectural, and is great, but not needed to achieve the same benefits.

Then you need to think harder

That’s what I’ll be interested in. Form following function and all that

1. Absolutely none of what you've said invalidates either my point that adding pumped hydro alone cuts costs by hundreds of billions for an energy system, nor my broader point that it's stupid to talk about the costs of energy systems by looking at the costs of running one of solar and Li alone
2. None of what you've said is a reason not to do pumped hydro. Pumped hydro can store GWh easily, plants last 50 to 100+ years, and cost per kWh is very low despite refurb costs etc. Should it be done thoughtfully? Obviously. Can it be done everywhere? Obviously not. But once again, adding pumped hydro alongside Li BESS drops energy system costs by hundreds of billions, showing that any analysis of an energy system that says "look how much it costs if we run an energy system using solar and Li BESS alone!" is idiocy.

All renewables require *storage*. Storage is more than just batteries. How are you unable to comprehend the point I was making?
Let me try to explain this simply: wind blows a lot at night when sun doesn’t shine. So we need fewer batteries if we have wind and solar than if we just have solar. Do you understand now? Continuing to focus on adding just one extra power source, wind, leads to a reduction in storage requirements of about 40 to 60%. You also dramatically cut the duration of energy deficits and the frequency of deep shortages.

Adding just one other form of energy storage, eg pumped hydro, cuts total system storage costs by hundreds of billions more, because it’s about one third to one tenth the cost of lithium battery storage.

It’s just a nonsense to talk about lithium and solar only.

Literally no-one is proposing doing this. As a reminder, renewables includes wind and hydro and tidal and geothermal etc, and storage includes flow and sodium and pumped hydro etc. Seriously, what is the point of pretending that anyone is pushing for a single power source and a single storage technology, when they're not?

My new Trump abbreviation is TRE. Trump ruins everything. In this case, among other things, he’s ruined oil and gas for the oil and gas guys.

The US has fallen behind the rest of the developed world in so many aspects of life due to ossification of structures driven by regulatory capture and fragmentation. Dealerships have been nothing but pernicious for consumers for decades, keeping ICE sales higher than they'd otherwise be, keeping prices higher than they'd otherwise be, etc etc. The rest of the world looks on with incredulity that you find it so difficult to unfuck yourselves.

Think logically, you say, and then proceed to lay out a series of non sequiturs.
1. The implication of renewables having lower LCOE than fossil fuels is not that fossil fuel generation gets shut down, because it's not a perfectly commoditised market with instantly effective price signals. Assets last decades, purchasers optimise for more than just cost, policy makers intervene as Trump has repeatedly done, etc etc.
2. It does not follow that if there were zero fossil fuel usage for power generation, I'd be far less happy about (other people) attacking Tesla. This is a completely bizarre false chain of logic. I can't even tell what point you think you're making.

Why do you guys always make such crap arguments? Can't you just have a private discussion with ChatGPT for an hour and get yourself something robust to counter with, rather than this drivel?

Abrogate doesn't mean what you think it does. One abrogates a treaty, not a subsidy.

Also, is now *really* the apposite moment to be talking about subsidizing the costs of renewables, while untold billions are being spent to try to manage the coming supply shock from the blockade of the Straits of Hormuz?

The LCOE calculations are readily done, and it's absolutely blindingly obvious that not having to pay the costs of supplying fuel means renewables are substantially cheaper than fossil fuels.

1. The balsa trees were largely from plantations, not wild balsa trees
2. There are about 390 billion trees in the Amazon
3. The plantations covered about 10k hectares out of the 700m hectares of the Amazon basin
4. About 4.5m hectares of Amazon basin are lost annually, mainly due to deforestation and fires, and climate change is a force multiplier for both of those

Here you are talking about forests, and you can't see the wood for the trees

It's true that Texas has fantastically cheap onshore wind due to its geography. But that isn't true in the north east of the US, where the geography is much less favourable (and also insolation). The costs of a distribution network to take meaningful amounts of net new power from Texas to New York would be enough to swamp the LCOE benefits of Texan wind. So offshore wind is actually more financially compelling than onshore for these places

There is absolutely no way this is actually money-neutral for the US government. That would require a degree of executional competence that is patently well beyond them.