
Jack Dorsey and Jay Z Invest 500 BTC To Make Bitcoin 'Internet's Currency' (techcrunch.com) 83
Twitter and Square CEO Jack Dorsey and rapper Jay Z have created an endowment to fund bitcoin development initially in Africa and India, Dorsey said Friday. From a report: The duo is putting 500 bitcoin, which is currently worth $23.6 million, in the endowment called Btrust. The fund will be set up as a blind irrevocable trust, Dorsey said, adding that the duo won't be giving any direction to the team. Btrust is looking to hire three board members. The mission of the fund is to "make bitcoin the internet's currency," a job application describes. Government in India has so far been reluctant to embrace bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Friday's move comes as New Delhi is inching closer to introduce a law that would ban private cryptocurrencies in the nation. It is also looking to create its own digital currency.
Too volatile (Score:1)
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Just like Swatch (Score:2)
Just like Swatch, who invested a metric ton to make the "Beat" the "Internet's Time"
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Bet you wish you threw in $10 a decade ago.
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Not more than wishing I had thrown 5$ on the right lottery numbers last week...
I'm not following the market, but I don't think everyone of them is now worth any money.
On the other hand, we still have half an apartment full of junk from my late grandmoms that has been sold to them as "collectibles" "absolutely guaranteed" to rise in price in the future. Today it's just plain ugly.
The Mission (Score:1)
The mission of the fund is to "inflate the value of Bitcoin." I wonder if Jay's aware he's sucking money out of Africa. Maybe he just looks at it like another baggie of dope or bottle of D'Usse sold.
Re:The Mission (Score:5, Informative)
I keep wondering if anyone cares about global warming any more. I mean:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bitcoin-mining-energy-consumption/ [cbsnews.com]
Is there anyone out there stupid enough to not realize that things like this are green-washing?
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/how-large-scale-bitcoin-mining-is-driving-clean-energy-innovation [bitcoinmagazine.com]
Only 2 possibilities left now (Score:3)
The financial elite now stands to lose a lot if cryptocurrency is outlawed - either much of their value will be wiped out if this happens, causing losses at the Wall Street casino and displeasing the magic line, or to avoid harming these people the world will pass through the crime finance singularity and will be stuck with this shit forever, generally worsening everything signficantly.
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The financial elite now stands to lose a lot if cryptocurrency is outlawed - either much of their value will be wiped out if this happens, causing losses at the Wall Street casino and displeasing the magic line...
The financial "elite" investing in Bitcoin, is exactly why that will not happen.
Look at the utterly corrupt (and illegal) response to WSB shaking up the market. If BTC remains the tool of the "little guy", then it will be decimated by industry corruption. Start screwing with multi-billionaire investments, and you've got a real Catch-22 on your hands.
...or to avoid harming these people the world will pass through the crime finance singularity and will be stuck with this shit forever, generally worsening everything signficantly.
Yeah, this. But I kind of doubt BTC will "dominate" fiat currency. They'll just be another alternative form of payment. Like going into massive crushing de
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They'll just be another alternative form of payment.
I don't see how BTC is a form of payment any more than GME is.
Say hypothetically you could wire GME to other people directly, someone give me a reason using units of GME as a form of payment makes any sense at all. Nothing is priced in units of GME, it's too unstable, people only buy it to sell it for real currency later. As a currency, you're waiting for it to hyper-deflate so you can buy more in the future than you can now.
Who even invests in foreign currencies like that? You do that as a hedge, if you
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They'll just be another alternative form of payment.
I don't see how BTC is a form of payment any more than GME is.
Say hypothetically you could wire GME to other people directly, someone give me a reason using units of GME as a form of payment makes any sense at all. Nothing is priced in units of GME, it's too unstable, people only buy it to sell it for real currency later. As a currency, you're waiting for it to hyper-deflate so you can buy more in the future than you can now.
Who even invests in foreign currencies like that? You do that as a hedge, if you were going to buy stuff in the other country anyway, then if the currencies go one way you spend foreign currency, if it goes the other you hold and convert your local currency.
BTC is bizarre, like a bunch of people bidding up rubles to an insane level, because the whole world is going to be spending rubles someday, but definitely not now while the value is increasing and swinging wildly, and there doesn't seem to be any practical reasons for the rest of the world to ever start using it as a currency, it's going up because of FOMO mostly.
It can't be both a speculative investment AND a currency, and as an investment, you're betting on it becoming a currency and everyone else having to buy in.
Thank you for reminding me (with the GME reference) just how damn volatile this entire thing really is. You're right.
Unfortunately, FOMO is powerful. Mining challenges aside for a moment (different crowd anyway), there is a finite amount of BTC. And FOMO is almost as strong as YOLO, which has quite literally driven humans to their death before. THAT is how powerful these idiotic social forces are. (Mass Narcissism feeds that crap, so imagine me playing the worlds smallest violin, in response to that.)
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Bitcoins are currently worth $890 billion, this is obviously all owned by janitors and Uber drivers, I'm sure the elite have no interest and no stake at all. ~
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Explain to me again how you outlaw data?
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You don't, you just outlaw the exchange of money or goods for that data, same as with pirated software, child porn etc.
You don't outlaw data (Score:4, Interesting)
Already done (Score:2)
In 2013, KYC-laws applied to bitcoin mixers, marketplaces, and other bitcoin companies US based. Thousands of suspicious activity reports are filed every year.
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Bitcoin has partial quantum resistance right now. Quantum computing isn't believed to be an insurmountable obstacle to bitcoin.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Qua... [bitcoin.it]
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Or they're just trying to create a company script (Score:5, Insightful)
Now imagine paying all your employees in bitcoin. Imagine they pay rent and buy food in bitcoin. Imagine they take out mortgages in Bitcoin. Imagine controlling the value of everything...
So you've got a currency that you've got defacto control over and that you can force people to hold and spend. It's a 21st century company store. You load 16 bits, and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt...
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Billionaires have more than enough money to control the value of Bitcoin using market manipulation
No they don't because they would literally need to invest a LOT into bitcoin in order to recovery very little profit. Bitcoin is not the stock market. It's not a few big players playing with the funds of small companies, it's lot of small players playing with a single large monolithic fund.
Bitcoin's spike due to Telsa investing $1.5bn moved the value by barely 10%, FOMOing pushed it up another 2% after that. A simple regulation change in China in 2018 dropped its value by 50%. Remember that. It's a volatile
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LOL "bro" equilibriums do exist. But they depend on variables being fixed, and Bitcoins biggest problem is the primary variable driving it's volatility isn't. Take some Economics 101, and then come back and and we can speak about chest hairs.
get off your high horse.
I don't think you understand that phrase. Pointing out the differences between controlling stock markets vs bitcoin has no relation to me or my position. Honestly I take it back, before taking economics 101 maybe finish highschool. Basic English would be a good start. T
Not for market manipulation (Score:2)
You can't really have a decentralized market. You can have some competition if you have a powerful third party (read: Government) step in and play referee, but otherwise, well, it's a competition. That means winners and losers. And the winners use the spoils from their last round of victories to give them an edge.
It's the same re
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You're relying on forcing smaller BT holders to do what you say on threat of devaluing their coin.
Who is smaller? That's the bit you're missing here. An institutional holder of shares, or an institutional trader of something physical is able to use their size in relation to these many small markets the manipulate it. I.e. Goldman Sachs was able to by it's size hoard a significant amount of aluminium manipulating it's supply. That's great if you're a big company with lots of small markets to play with. But again bitcoin is not many small markets. It's one big one. To effectively manipulate a market you r
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Here, "you" and "your" is any individual or corporation with wallet(s)
If Jack Dorsey and twitter are involved (Score:4, Funny)
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I will take a pass. This most likely is going no where.
By nature of a "blind irrevocable trust", Dorsey would no longer be involved...in theory.
Pyramid scheme (Score:3, Insightful)
There are other digital currencies that have fixed the problems of bitcoin. Anyone pushing bitcoin at this point is just pushing a pyramid scheme. Bitcoin is a deflationary currency -- the world learned more than a century ago that deflationary currencies are bad for economies and literally kill people due to the economic instability that they cause. Pushing these things in low GDP countries is indefensible.
Pushing Bitcoin as a transaction service : dumb because there are better ones.
Pushing Bitcoin as a currency : dumb because it is deflationary.
Pushing Bitcoin to pull dupes into the next tier of your pyramid scheme : makes perfect sense.
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Slashdot and the iPod (Score:2)
Go back and read slashdot when the iPod was released. All the comments were wrong on every level. Now it’s happening with bitcoin. Too funny.
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The ipod was the best portable music player of its time, it was exactly the product the market wanted.
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I don't own a single apple product so I can't be a fanboi.
I did own ipods before mobiles took over that role. It was the best music player of its time. By far. I tried a few others, they all sucked.
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No, we've been right all along. You just don't want to be the one left holding the bag when the inevitable crash happens.
- A currency whose value fluctuates by hundreds of % is worthless.
- A payment system where a single transaction costs $100 (and where this cost will inevitably increase) is worthless.
- A payment system that consumes more energy than all creditcards combined for 1/1,000,000 of the transaction volume is worthless.
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Over a decade now and bitcoin is going to crash any day...
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has crashed multiple times already. It's a ponzi scheme that deserves to die already.
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Those were market corrections for artificially inflated prices.
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artificially inflated prices.
which exactly describes Bitcon's current value.
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And how long do you think the Tulip Mania lasted?
I don't think anyone saw these big players (Score:2)
Basically in a normal, functioning society the things people like about BT (it's decentralized nature that makes it har
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It's just another 1%-er scam - just this time that 1% is a bunch of geeks.
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If fact, this just reminds me of the craziness we keep seeing.
A while back, some bitcoin booster replied to me with this clip [twitter.com] as a counter argument (yeah, cause throwing around twitter links's the way you prove your point :rollseyes:) in which a rich white guy throws around a bunch of buzzwords on an obscure TV news show and actually says stuff like "[bitcoin is] capable of storing and channelling energy over time without power loss" - L! O! L!
What is the catch? (Score:1)
Slashdot hate (Score:1)
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Negative emotions bring traffic. Like news channels, worldwide.
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The hate is really puzzling. Slashdot really hates bitcoin and Tesla for some reason. An electric car that runs Linux? Oh no fuck that give me my 1979 Chevette any day!
Better idea (Score:2)
You mean Tether (Score:2)
TL;DR; audits are expensive, pyramid schemes are cheap.
Why mining? (Score:2)
A commodity of a fixed quantity is not a good currency. But growing at a rate more or less irrespective of demand does not fix that problem. If there were a fixed quantity of bitcoin, there would be no mining needed, and it would be the same as a company that grows in value without ever issuing new share
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We'll find out eventually. Unless the protocol is changed, there will never be more than 21 million [investopedia.com] Bitcoin. Over time the reward for adding a block to the blockchain will diminish from where they are today (6.25 BTC, ~$300,000) to nothing more than the transaction fees that the miners are able to charge to those who want to have their transaction included in the block.
SA power load sherdding is bad for mineing (Score:2)
SA power load sherdding is bad for mineing
Question (Score:2)
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No one really knows. Bitcoin is an ongoing experiment and I'm excited to see the results.
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This is misguided effort, (Score:1)
Excellent Twitter threads about Bitcoin (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's a couple of good Twitter threads [twitter.com] by Stephen Diehl (@smdiehl) about what Bitcoin really is (with an earlier one further down below).
*** TRIGGER WARNING The Bitcoin boosters might want to avert their eyes! ***
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Don't you have anything constructive besides this tired copy pasta?
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Nano is the answer. It's here, it works, it's fast as fuck and doesn't require giant farms of miners to maintain nor does it have any fees to use on the blockchain (that's not saying exchanges won't charge to withdraw, etc, but you send 1 nano to me, i get one nano and you're only out 1 nano. What a concept!). What it doesn't have is eyeballs and marketcap. Elon (or anyone) dumping 1.5 billion into nano would spike the price unrealistically, but as a long time supporter, fuck I'd love to see $3k Nano. Serio
Tax write-off (Score:5, Insightful)
Donating these bitcoins has taken whatever Dorsey and Jay Z paid for the bitcoins and turned it into a $23M charitable write-off against taxes, rather than capital gains.
Bitcoin was closer to being a "currency" back when you could use it to buy stuff. Now, you sell stuff to be able to buy bitcoins, and no one except another bitcoin believer will buy them from you.
The moving of large blocks like this tie up the "scarce resource", making the "available" bitcoins "more valuable", and less likely to be used for what they were supposed to be good for.
Call me when it has a regulating authority. (Score:1)
Because I'm not using your rollercoaster monopoly "money" without somebody stabilizing it, and overriding 51% attacks.
Oh wait, then its whole defining point will be gone! ^^
Anti-environment (Score:2)
Bitcoin's proof of work model is anti-environment. Dorsey should know better.
Question (Score:2)
Maybe I'm missing something, but can someone explain how Bitcoin really works? By that I mean, let's say I mine 1 coin. I now have a digital something or other.
I go to sell that digital something or other. Is someone giving me real money for this? Who is on the other end when I sell? Where does the real money come from?
I'm asking because unlike real money, there is nothing backing Bitcoin so I'm presuming some other sucker is using their money to buy what I produced.
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Which is irrelevant. With real money, you have the backing of the government. More stable governments, such as the U.S., Canada, Japan, etc, back that currency by honoring the request to use it when spent, wherever it's spent.
There is nothing similar for Bitcoin. It's just some guy (or guys and gals) spending their money to produce a digital something which isn't supported by anyone or any government. From what I can see, it's all based on hope. Hope that if you have one of these digital items, someone wi
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Maybe I'm missing something, but can someone explain how Bitcoin really works? By that I mean, let's say I mine 1 coin. I now have a digital something or other.
You aren't going to be mining any Bitcoin to speak of. Bitcoin mining today is done on an industrial scale, with entire datacenters of machines containing mining-specific ASICs to execute the algorithm as efficiently as possible, in dedicated circuitry. For the vast majority of Bitcoin users, you are spending fiat currency at an exchange in order to acquire it. If you're one of the extremely few businesses who accept Bitcoins as payment for goods or services, you are cashing out your Bitcoin for fiat cu
Wind and Solar still gonna cut it? (Score:1)
Fuck both of them (Score:1)
Seriously.
I hope they lose everything on this.
The Barter System (Score:2)