Tesla Announces New Engineering HQ In California (thehill.com) 133
Slashdot reader Phact shares a report from The Hill: Elon Musk announced during a joint press conference with California Gov. Gavin Newsom that Tesla would be returning its global engineering headquarters to California, two years after a dramatic exit that saw the electric car company leave the Golden State for a facility in Austin, Texas. Tesla will open up shop in the former home of Hewlett Packard in Palo Alto, Musk said. The facility will serve as the company's engineering headquarters while the corporate headquarters remains in Austin.
Musk called the move into HP's old building a "poetic transition from the company that founded Silicon Valley to Tesla." Newsom has been a proponent of electric vehicles and revolutionizing America's energy production, and said he hopes the partnership between Musk and California will allow the state to "dominate in this space and change the way we produce and consume energy in this state, and this nation and the world we are trying to build." [...] Musk did not specifically address the reasoning for returning Tesla's headquarters to Silicon Valley. It's unclear if the state offered any incentives for the company to return, or if Musk simply wanted to be closer to the Twitter headquarters, which is located in San Francisco. Tesla moved its headquarters out of California in late 2021 and into Texas. "At the time of the move, Musk was in an ongoing battle with Alameda County public health officials over his desire to reopen the Fremont manufacturing plant in the middle of the coronavirus pandemic," reports The Hill.
Musk called the move into HP's old building a "poetic transition from the company that founded Silicon Valley to Tesla." Newsom has been a proponent of electric vehicles and revolutionizing America's energy production, and said he hopes the partnership between Musk and California will allow the state to "dominate in this space and change the way we produce and consume energy in this state, and this nation and the world we are trying to build." [...] Musk did not specifically address the reasoning for returning Tesla's headquarters to Silicon Valley. It's unclear if the state offered any incentives for the company to return, or if Musk simply wanted to be closer to the Twitter headquarters, which is located in San Francisco. Tesla moved its headquarters out of California in late 2021 and into Texas. "At the time of the move, Musk was in an ongoing battle with Alameda County public health officials over his desire to reopen the Fremont manufacturing plant in the middle of the coronavirus pandemic," reports The Hill.
Poor Texas (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Poor Texas (Score:4, Insightful)
This is what happens when you can't keep the lights on.
Re:Poor Texas (Score:5, Informative)
Texas has tried and tried to turn Austin into another Silicon Valley, but it had too much IBM in it for that– and you know, the weather is trash. Unless you are already successful, it costs too much to live there — Austin is literally just as expensive as California now, including taxes, and the traffic is just as bad. I-35 is a fucking parking lot. They ran the highway right through town and now they can't expand it, the idiots. You're supposed to loop around the town, like they did in Houston, that is better for flow, noise, pollution...
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Well not expanding isn't usually the problem: induced demand means that the traffic levels will rise back up until either the highway is clogged again or the feeder roads are so clogged they can't feed enough cars in.
The real problem is running the highway through the middle of town amma making the middle of town suck so people only want to drive through it.
Re:Poor Texas (Score:5, Interesting)
The real problem is that Austin's philosophy on building roads has for decades been "don't build it and they won't come", then they tried to turn themselves into a tech hub. (Note: "Texas" wasn't trying to turn Austin into Silicon Valley, Austin themselves were the ones pushing it.) Only recently they have started upgrading their roads, at least 20 years too late. It usually takes as long to get from south Austin to Pflugerville or Cedar Park as it does to get from south Austin to San Antonio. The guy who designed the I-35 downtown elevated lanes even said years ago that he was sorry and it was a bad design.
And then they built a "bypass" toll road, which is like ten miles east of Austin, hardly useful if you're going to or from Austin.
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Who wants to give up scenic Silicon Valley for a builder-grade apartment complex along the jammed up roads in the outskirts of Round Rock, with a guaranteed hour commute to mandatory office space way down in Del Valle?
(crickets)
Re: Poor Texas (Score:2)
Austin has the most liberal and balanced planning department in TX by far and they are falling "less hard" into the trap of unlimited roa
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Texas has tried and tried to turn Austin into another Silicon Valley, but it had too much IBM in it for that– and you know, the weather is trash. Unless you are already successful, it costs too much to live there — Austin is literally just as expensive as California now, including taxes, and the traffic is just as bad. I-35 is a fucking parking lot. They ran the highway right through town and now they can't expand it, the idiots. You're supposed to loop around the town, like they did in Houston, that is better for flow, noise, pollution...
I was told that when Stanford was setting up its new industrial park, they looked around for possible tenants. IBM was willing, but wanted all of the space. Stanford said no, because they didn't want a monoculture. IBM built their facility in San Jose instead, and many companies, including HP, occupied Silicon Valley, benefiting from contact with each other and with Stanford, a premier research institution. Perhaps Austin didn't learn from Stanford, or perhaps they had no choice.
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IBM opened its first facility in San Jose in 1943. Was Stanford developing its industrial park that early?
The events I was speaking of took place in the 1960s. I guess IBM expanded their presence in San Jose rather than in Silicon Valley.
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" their presence in San Jose rather than in Silicon Valley"
Are you aware of where both San Jose, CA and Stanford, CA are located?
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" their presence in San Jose rather than in Silicon Valley" Are you aware of where both San Jose, CA and Stanford, CA are located?
Actually, I am. Although I live in New Hampshire today, I have lived in Menlo Park, Stanford, Palo Alto and Mountain View; I have a relative who lives in Sunnyvale; and I used to know people who lived in Cupertino and Los Altos Hills.
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The US needs a better public transportation system. We got too relent on cars and personal transportation, so we are shooting ourselves in the foot whenever we need to grow or expand a community. Just to park your car you will need 75-100Sq Feet of land, to support people who would take up 1 sq/ft, (or 9 sq/ft for normal human distance)
Bikes, Public Train system, affordable and available Taxi (or Taxi like) system. Where we can get from our residential areas to commercial, shopping or industrial ones in un
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It changes over time, but still a ways to go. I've noticed in the last twenty years or so that more upscale apartments were starting to be build near transit stops (light rail, train, BART). In the past this sort of thing was shunned because only poor people needed mass transit or hung around those stations. So now being near these spots is cool again. So at the BART/lightrail meeting in Milpitas (ie, grasshopper's jump to San Jose) a whole slew of brand new apartments have sprung up. Also apartments ar
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LA is far too spread out have anything but car culture.
LA needs the same thing every other congested city needs, elevated PRT. But nobody wants to try anything new, everyone wants to keep doing what we're doing that isn't working.
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It grew out instead of up, and it grew extremely fast. If they had built a good elevated rail, or subway, in the 30s it would be far too small and inadequate for 2023.
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Hence elevated PRT and not rail, it's potentially lightweight enough that it can share space with other transportation infrastructure and it can be retrofit into place. The vehicles don't have to deal with the lumps and bumps of roadways, and they don't need as much crash protection. Ideally you'd also charge them from the rail so they wouldn't need much battery.
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Exactly, given two very blue cities - one in California, one in Texas, people much prefer the one in California. There's only so much that can be done at the city level, some things like infrastructure and such have to be done at the state level.
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And in real world, from the story:
>It’s unclear if the state offered any incentives for the company to return, or if Musk simply wanted to be closer to the Twitter headquarters, which is located in >San Francisco.
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>The governor, who has known for Musk for decades, said it was a point of personal pride to have Tesla in California.
>“Tesla is a California company,” Newsom said. “It started here first.”
>Newsom added that California has been committed to supporting Te
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Good thing Texas government is small, because it's leaders most certainly are highly corrupt at all levels.
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News of what Abbott and Paxton have done in Texas would make any mafia don blush in response. As far as I can tell they are criminals in office.
Re:Poor Texas (Score:5, Informative)
The Tesla global HQ moved to Austin, and it's staying there. The rest of the operations at the Tesla Fremont factory never left California.
This story is not about Tesla moving anything back to California, it's about them opening a new Engineering HQ.
Re:Poor Texas (Score:5, Insightful)
Probably couldn't convince California engineers to move to Texas. (Big surprise.) So, gave into the reality that California has better brains, quality of life, etc.
Company HQ is just a skeleton moved for tax scam reasons.
Engineers do the real work.
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The top 3 important words in Business. Location, Location, Location.
If you want to hire and keep engineers, you need to setup shop in a location near where they are a lot of engineers which you can pick from in a talent pool.
Talented Engineers will often go to a location where they are a lot of engineering jobs available.
Despite the press, and propaganda, the differences between a Red State and a Blue State in terms of freedoms and regulations isn't as big as one would think.
Red States too like making a bu
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> Red States too like making a bunch of laws many
> are just stupid
That one in particular was a big WTF for me when musk originally wanted to pack everything up and move it all to Texas... a state whose populace and government are so fundamentally opposed to electric cars that it's actually illegal to sell them there. You can still GET a Tesla in texas, of course. But to do so you need to jump through some legal loopholes where technically you buy it in another state and it's just delivered to you in
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To be fair, it isn't that Texas outlaws EV sales, However all cars need to be purchased via a 3rd party Dealer. This is something that Tesla doesn't do. Also dealerships are not too big on EV, mostly due to a lack of maintenance which is their big money maker, so they are not to keen on having a good supply of EV made from other brands like GM and Ford.
Now part of the reason for the law, was to make sure the small business person can make a living, and not from the manufacturer pushing lemons without som
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To be fair, it isn't that Texas outlaws EV sales, However all cars need to be purchased via a 3rd party Dealer.
Lawmakers have always used these kinds of tactics to obviously achieve the goals they really want. Those laws came into place when there was only one serious EV maker, and they incidentally had that business model. This state being what it is, there's nothing more obvious than what they were trying to do. It was an effective ban on EV sales.
Texas lawmakers just didn't see the writing on the wall that there would be enough demand for EVs that traditional car companies would start offering their own.
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> Red States too like making a bunch of laws many > are just stupid
That one in particular was a big WTF for me when musk originally wanted to pack everything up and move it all to Texas... a state whose populace and government are so fundamentally opposed to electric cars that it's actually illegal to sell them there.
Actually, that was one of the smartest decisions Musk has made. By moving the headquarters to Texas, along with adding some manufacturing in Texas, they can then petition the Texas legislature and say, "See, this archaic law is hurting a Texas company," and maybe get it changed. In other words, the hope is that their presence will give them more influence over the second-most-populous state in the country. Eventually, it will probably work (though personally, I would have made it a condition of moving to
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the fear that most of their engineering team would refuse to move with them.
And join competitors.
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the fear that most of their engineering team would refuse to move with them.
And join competitors.
*nods* That was implied. :-)
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If someone wants to set up shop someplace that is very inexpensive, with zero government regulations or oversight, might I suggest Somalia? What's this, it doesn't make for a good engineering base? Be bold!
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Re:Poor Texas (Score:5, Insightful)
Until it wasn't.
But somehow all these other companies aren't going to find out what Tesla found out.
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Wow with all those people and companies leaving California, it must be really cheap there since it's so undesirable!
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"It's so crowded that no one goes there anymore."
California (Score:4, Insightful)
California invents everything the rest of the states depend on. The biggest proof of this is the fact that even though Elon Musk hates many Californians, especially most Silicon Valley residents because they vote Democrat, he was forced to acknowledge that we have engineering talent here that is the best in the world. Tesla and SpaceX was originally headquartered here. Elon Musk hates the things Californians like such as universal health care, caring about the welfare of all human beings, and anti-nationalism/anti-tribalism. Ever since becoming a right-winger infected by the MAGA mind virus, Elon has entirely embraced right-wing idealogies such as tribalism/nationalism, coldness to others wellbeing, and default dislike of humans who serve him no purpose all while claiming he is a centrist.
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. Elon Musk hates the things Californians like such as universal health care, caring about the welfare of all human beings, and anti-nationalism/anti-tribalism. Ever since becoming a right-winger infected by the MAGA mind virus, Elon has entirely embraced right-wing idealogies such as tribalism/nationalism, coldness to others wellbeing, and default dislike of humans who serve him no purpose all while claiming he is a centrist.
Or maybe he just hates when people who ostensibly have the talent he wants fill their heads with idiotic dichotomies like the ones you've laid out here.
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Re:California (Score:4, Insightful)
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Russia Hoax
RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION [senate.gov]
Just because Trump's team was deemed "too stupid to collude" doesn't mean you get to whataboutism away every (and there are a lot of them) crackpot conservative conspiracy theory.
Also a lot more on the right hate America so much they want a "national divorce" and are threatening violence over it like a bunch of loser crybabys.
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Ah, so those who dislike MAGA also dislike America? Do people honestly believe that people left of the far-right hate America? It's the stupidest political slogan to claim someone hates America, and yet it keeps being used. Has it ever once convinced someone to vote for the wingnut, or is it just a slogan to encourage compaign donations?
Re:California (Score:4, Interesting)
Musk is neither left nor right, he is with the one who makes him the most profit. He likes "green" subsidies because it means more money for Tesla, he likes universal health care, but not when he has to pay for it, he hates any laws that limits his power over his employees, and he hated lockdowns because it lowered its companies productivity. He is only a nationalist if it suits his needs, he likes the American liberalism that made him so rich and raising tariffs for import cars, but he has no problem opening factories in China.
So, he is with any politician who has the potential to make him richer. And if it happens to be Trump, he will support Trump, but it doesn't mean he buys into the whole ideology.
Re:California (Score:5, Insightful)
Musk is neither left nor right, he is with the one who makes him the most profit.
That makes him on the Right.
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Whenever some large corporation like Xfinity, AT&T, Disney, ABC, NBC, Nestle, Lockheed says, "We support Black History month, we support diversity, we support LGBTQ Pride" are they left, right, or purely saying it for profit?
Sometimes political stances like words can be vapid and without substance, depending on who's taking them.
Libertarian? (Score:1)
"Libertarian" is probably a closer category fit to Musk. Libertarians prefer laissez-faire economics and don't subscribe to the "social regulation" that evangelicals want, such as anti-LGBTQ laws. However, Musk has said some arguably anti-LGBTQ statements, and his own LGBTQ child wanted to distance themselves from Musk. (Some found it contradictory that Musk said the "pronoun thing" is convoluted, yet gave his children some really odd names.)
Musk is a tricky person to categorize, per political spectrum.
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We could have made that argument a few years ago but in 2023 libertarians are in absolute disarray, the ideaology is pretty much meaningless other than a different flavor of conservatism, and Musk himself is fairly on the conservative side today. Unfortunately like a lot of people the covid era broke his brain and it seems like he's in a self-reinforcing bubble of conservatives.
The LP itself has been co-opted by the more extreme elements, the amount of people who identify as libertarian now are just 80% em
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Unfortunately like a lot of people the covid era broke his brain
It feels like 9/11 again.
It's like people who have never had any real hardship suddenly experiences what an absolute shithouse of cards they actually live in. Back then, they couldn't fathom that terrorist attacks could happen outside brown-people country. Now, they can't fathom that injurious diseases aren't actually over and they're in the same boat as the rest of humanity.
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There's no real difference between libertarians and republicans, except that the latter is more likely to be religious. They both want to destroy government so it can't stop them from being shitlords.
Re:California (Score:4, Insightful)
Musk might not be ideologically driven, but most of what he supports aligns with conservative policy.
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He states himself that he's financially conservative and socially liberal.
That is the biggest cop out answer given by people who have mostly conservative views but don't want to be viewed as a bigot. Social liberalism is the same thing that people in the US colloquially call "liberal." It is nearly the exact opposite of fiscal conservatism in the US.
A person like Musk could only be considered liberal if his main political viewpoint is that people like him should have far less power in today's society. The defining difference between conservative and liberal is whether you want th
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What republican isn't part of the MAGA movement?
Re:California (Score:5, Insightful)
For a clever guy, he posts some stupid - and dangerous - shit.
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For a clever guy, he posts some stupid - and dangerous - shit.
Further proof that he isn't that clever. Most of his wealth comes from cashing out when a company sells. He didn't start Paypal or even Tesla. Yeah he's the lead engineer at SpaceX but that kind of thing happens when you own the company. I doubt there's a stack of engineering drawings sitting somewhere waiting for his approval signature.
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He's not an engineer any more than I'm a real PhD and police officer (both of those were ceremonious titles). He didn't personally engineer a thing. His fans cite his name on patent applications but that's VERY common for the CEO of a company to be listed on such. Steve Jobs has numerous patents to his name, despite not creating any of them himself. It's exactly the same with Musk.
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Musk is a brilliant manager or engineering, that makes him a brilliant engineer.
He is doing great things better than anyone else on the planet.
I just wish he respected facts more and supported stupid conspiracies less.
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Duh.
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So what you're saying is that Elon is willing to burn down the earth to get to Mars or get richer or whatever? OK, we will hold that against him as well.
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Prosecute Fauci - No excuse, that was beyond the pale. I think Musk rightfully sees our response to the pandemic as somewhat problematic, but his conclusion is way off the mark.
Pedo Guy - This one is more complex. On the one hand, it's incredibly inappropriate for someone with a 100 million Twitter followers to accuse someone of being a pedophile. On the other hand, it wasn't entirely without evidence. Here we have a senior citizen from the UK who moved to an incredibly poor area in Thailand -- Chiang Rai,
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1. He took Musk to court, I think that makes it much more likely that he was not a paedophile
2. Did Musk use those words because Musk wanted to defend those exploited children ? Or did Musk use that lame, easy insult simply because he was annoyed at him for laughing at his submarine ?
The latter.
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Now, marrying a 30 year old woman when you're 55 is not remotely pedophilia. But it's _definitely_ exploitative.
An incredibly wealthy person marrying someone in an incredibly poor country is likely exploitative. Marrying someone younger is not, unless there are special circumstances that make it so.
It's not at all fair to assume that there is no actual romance merely because of an age difference. Plenty of relationships with large age gaps are normal in every other way. The reason you perceive them as exploitative is because so many age-gap relationships are between people with some inherent power imbalance, such
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Musk should be ashamed of "Prosecute Fauci" as well as of his "Pedo guy" and Pelosi conspiracy tweets.
Musk should be proud of his business achievements, but he should be ashamed of *everything* he has ever tweeted, or everything he has ever done with Twitter including all the things he's done *to* Twitter.
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Nope. He writes and forwards some funny stuff.
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Musk was plain wrong about Fauci, the caver and the Pelosi, and never apologised.
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Have you tried reading the second line of my post, noticing the question, and answering it?
Because that preempted the argument you chose to attempt next.
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He and Marc Andreessen only retweet violent crime by black people to build an "inherent evil" narrative against them and make you afraid of them instead of trying to help/solve the problem with root cause analysis and science.
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It's not just that. Story also notes that Newsom has spent significant time lobbying him personally to bring some part of Tesla back, and specifically talks about problems he had keeping his production facilities open.
Sounds like Newsom basically did something among the lines of "this country has much more obedient and pro-industry policy, bring it here. And I'll personally ruin the day, week, month, year and decade of any country level wanker that so much as dares to try to harm your productive activities
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He makes employees sleep in the office while running 5 companies simultaneously. Right.
Yogi Berra (Score:5, Funny)
"Nobody goes there anymore - it's too crowded" - attributed to Yogi Berra
Tantrums (Score:5, Interesting)
What is it that gives people the impression that tantrums and flip-flopping are a mark of management genius?
Is it the "business" subgenre of reality TV?
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Honestly, it was clear that Musk is thick as pig-shit when he threw a temper tantrum at the Thai cave rescuers because they tried to explain to him that a solid metal submarine can't squeeze through the crevices of a cave, something even most 5 year olds are capable of comprehending.
Having a bunch of money from Daddy's apartheid era emerald mine to spend on your childhood space and futuristic car fantasies doesn't make you smart, it just makes you a spoilt kid wealthy from apartheid era abuse who was fortun
His net worth? (Score:2)
What is it that gives people the impression that tantrums and flip-flopping are a mark of management genius?
His net worth?
Just spitballing, here...
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On top of that, what he did flew over the heads of a bunch of people who don't understand anything about macro level management, which is also a marker of high status among the upper class.
So win-win-win.
Might want to wipe that shit off your nose.
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On top of that, what he did flew over the heads of a bunch of people who don't understand anything about macro level management, which is also a marker of high status among the upper class.
So win-win-win.
Might want to wipe that shit off your nose.
There's probably a need for minty mouthwash as well.
Looks like we have to add old Muskie to the stable genius category where they play 4 dimensional chess, too lofty for us mere mortals.
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I remember when you were one of the few users on slashdot that actually could distance himself from his political blinders, and argue points.
I suppose progression of culture war in your nation has forced you to get those political lens glasses welded on permanently. That's unfortunate. Because the scenario I describe above barely qualifies as normal chess in terms of complexity, if you just read The Hill story linked in the OP. Pretty much all of it is spelled out in it, from Musk's grievances to Newsom's p
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I remember when you were one of the few users on slashdot that actually could distance himself from his political blinders, and argue points.
Pepperidge Farms Remembers too.
If you check before claiming I am now whtever it is you think I have become, perhaps you might notice that making a reference to a certain leader we had a couple years back is not aligning myself with anything other than I note that Elon Musk has merely switched to that leader's side. Nothing more.
Do you care to refute that and prove me wrong?
What is more, one of the trademars of rabid politicalism is losing a sense of humor. Everything I wrote there was humor, from the am
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So to be clear, you acknowledge that Musk is corrupt, but you excuse it by saying his corruption is ordinary? Because that, sir, is a shit take.
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When one runs out of counter arguments, the only thing left is personal insults.
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Tantrums work? Excellent, I can now return my natural form, you drunken impractical smelly neckbeards!
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It's funny how I've now got two different people to confirm my last point within about an hour.
It's rare to see people who disagree with your points go this far out of their way to confirm them to be true.
He couldn't make them leave. (Score:5, Insightful)
I have a couple of friends who (still) work for Tesla. When Musk "relocated" the company to Texas, they both told me, in no uncertain terms, that they would NOT be relocating. But they're still working for Tesla, and in the same old Deer Creek HQ campus that Musk was going to pack up and move when he decided to bend the knee to the MAGA mob. He got so few takers willing to relocate that he HAD to keep Deer Creek open, otherwise he was going to lose the vast majority of the engineering and R&D talent that was and, to his dismay, is still in Palo Alto. He got precious few takers willing to leave Fremont for Texas either, and NUMMI has been chugging along too.
This announcement was just an attempt by Musk to save face after Tesla's much ballyhooed "departure" from California turned out to be a failed endeavor.
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> He got so few takers willing to relocate that he HAD to keep Deer Creek [CA facility] open
If you are raised in a liberal state, moving to a place full of evangelical troglodytes & zealots is usually not a pleasant experience. And I probably less restaurant variety.
Vice versa is probably also the case, I imagine. Ex-Texans would have to work with openly LGBTQ+ people, which makes evangelicals go "eeeww" because they are taught it's "icky". Jesus even says so in the Bible: "Those fruiteth cakes are
Corrections (Score:1)
Correction: "And I probably less restaurant variety" -- should be "And TX probably has less restaurant variety".
Clarification: per "even says so in the Bible" -- I won't dispute the Bible classifies LGBTQ as a sin, but it doesn't say to ostracize them. Drinking too much is also a sin, but I rarely see evangelicals giving heavy drinkers the stink-eye (outside of avoiding a really drunk person, which most do for safety).
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> the Bible classifies LGBTQ as a sin, but it doesn't
> say to ostracize them
That is exceptionally small comfort. Because while you are technically correct that it doesn't call for ostracism; what it actually commands its believers to do is *murder* us.
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Yeah, pretty much. Of the two friends I have at Tesla, one is gay and the other is a woman working in a traditionally male speciality who also has zero interest in producing offspring. So not only did they not want to go in the first place. But as you point out... they're also both the sort that the locals would mob up and go after with torches and pitchforks if they were daft enough to set foot in Texas.
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If you are raised in a liberal state, moving to a place full of evangelical troglodytes & zealots is usually not a pleasant experience. And I probably less restaurant variety.
Austin is like someone took a piece of California, plopped it down in the middle of Texas, and informed the Texans that it would be their capitol.
The restaurant scene in Austin alone, let alone Texas in general, makes the food culture of California outside of Los Angeles look like a pathetic shit show. I never, ever went to a restaurant in Texas that wasn't on point. Texans will not stand for a bad restaurant like Californians will. Even their chains (e.g. Pok-e-jo's BBQ) beat most of our restaurants like a
reading comprehension problems? (Score:2)
There are a bunch of people on here apparently gloating at the idea that Musk is having to move back to California from Texas, often with accusations that he's become some right-wing "MAGA" Republican.
Wow
First, he's NOT moving Tesla's headquarters back to CA - just an engineering group. Not really surprising since his Tesla engineers were in CA and nobody likes to move themselves and their family (even if you're unhappy in a place and it's too expensive you still often stay for family reasons). As an engine
Which building? (Score:2)
I wonder if it's the garage on Addison Avenue, the "classic" headquarters on Page Mill Road, or the old HQ on Hannover Street.
When I worked there, HP kept Bill and Dave's offices preserved out nostalgia. It would be very nice if Tesla could maintain them to honor two of the seminal figures in Santa Clara valley history. Probably a forlorn hope.
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vs
https://goo.gl/maps/LjVV8GfS9Sm3Xz8KA
if its really exactly 3000 Hannover its one building over from where they currently are.
Making Hay about Nothing (Score:4, Insightful)
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Musk is Just Another Asshole (Score:3)
It's become a story as old as time (Score:3)
Maybe they should have tried to understand why before they left.