All whole-house (or whole-business) generators that I know of run on natural gas. Hence no fuel problems and no need to refill. In areas that don't have NG, propane is used from a big tank that also serves for heating.
Funny, Just because all that you know doesn't make it all everyone knows. Just as an example, all the remote emergency comm towers around my area use diesel generators with a two week supply of fuel.
And yes, I do understand that many installs use natural gas or propane jelly bean fuel source.
But is this all being purposefully obtuse?
My point isn't the fuel source, or my being a presumed idiot because I want to run my house for the week long outages we get here.
The point that the haters seem to miss is that we get the people who simply hate this idea are handing out jaw dropping figures of the expense of batteries, without a mention of the expense of providing some backup power with traditional methods.
Its the same logic as getting all indignant about a Tesla catching on fire, while simultaneously ignoring the dozens of petrofuel car fires that occur every day.
Its selective mental filtering - as in "I hate this idea, because its new, so anything negative about it validates my hate. But don't tell me about the negatives of what I love".
Having used Linux audio from before PA came into existence, and having used PA from the beginning, I can assure that PA was a major step forward in fixing Linux audio. With PA sound on Linux actually began to work. Sure it exposed a lot of kernel bugs (drivers) and ALSA bugs
And there you have it. Perhaps much of PulseAudio's "problems" are a case of shooting the messenger. It fixed many things for me with my audio needs.
Sure, many systemd-opponents harbour fantasies like that. Since they claimed that the systemd developers are bad and inexperienced programmers that can't code or design, that the systemd design is bad and that the code is bad, it puzzles them that despite all this, systemd have worked beautifully for so many years.
You missed one. "Anyone who stands up for systemd doesn't know anything bout Linux. Because if they knew anything about Linux, they would hate systemd." Its a rinse and repeat situation.
But as you've noted, many have graduated to the systemdpocalypse mode, of saying "Just you wait! You'll see! You'll see!" mode.
Yes, there are downsides to a generator as well, storing of fuel etc. But, I would say in an emergency situation, most of your argument goes away though, as most people would realize that some major catastrophe (hurricane, earthquake, etc.) has taken the power out, and it could be a while until it's back up, and start conserving their power to only necessary things to help live, like refrigerator and minimal cooking appliances or lights. How about an induction motor in the middle of winter, with temps in the teens to below zero? A typical residential generator usage, would likely involve a very undersized generator that would not run the whole house, but would run just the necessities
So we're going to maybe freeze to death so you can win the argument? Kind sir, a Generac 8000 watt air cooled staionary is around 2300 dollars. And you can easily get over 8000 watts in operating a house. Of course, you could just let the freezer warm up and throw away a kilobucks worth of food. I've got a 6000 Watt generator, and I have to be really careful with the hotel load.
Only an idiot (or someone filthy rich) would try to run his entire house on a generator (or a backup battery for that matter) without immediately scaling back power usage to absolute bare necessities.
Most very respectfully fuck you and your attitude. I'll be that idiot, and you can freeze. Power outages don't happen when it's handy, and try iving a week or more in your know it all outlook.
It costs a lot of money to have even a little generator and run it. Try the costs of running even a small one for a week or two, then come back with your asshole attitude. You not only pay, you don't get much sleep, because they suck up a lot of fuel. And they run out when they run out.
Did I say fuck you? Fuck you.
But a generator will likely run indefinately (provided you have enough fuel), vs a battery that will only power things for a limited time in a longer period blackout. Once your out, your out. Vs being able to keep a generator running and filling up gas every so often.
And! and! and.... The generator costs money to buy use and maintain, and it has to be exercised, because that fuel has to be used - you don't want old fuel in an emergency generator, Stabil or no Stabil. Its just one more thing that the some folks don't take into account when they do their ROI's and other calculations based on something that they just don't like.
And if you want to see some real dollars go away, try replacing your entire house hotel load of power needs with an appropriately sized generator. Running a big freezer, an oil furnace, refrigerator, and all tungsten lights (assuming a person who hates this idea hates cfls or led lights too) is going to get you some serious bucks involved. Don't forget your capacity has to be enough so that you can handle the motor startups on the devices, plus you really need to have enough to handle the draw when a couple start at the same time. Don't forget you need to install a cutout system so you don't electrocute linesmen trying to get you your power back.They frown on that, although the ROI of a couple years in prison isn't too bad with those three hots and a cot
So what's the ROI on a whole house emergency power generator plus installation plus fuel plus maintenance?
What I argue is that there's structural differences that makes this a better idea to to centrally than at home, regardless of how good or cheap the batteries get.
Strategically, if I were at war with another country, I would hope that their power generation capacity was in as few locations as possible.
Batteries is not the answer to everything, in fact they are merely a distraction. Likewise recycling is not the answer to everything, it is a distraction. Technology is also not the answer, it is a distraction.
Consume less. Waste less. Reuse more.
I'm all about conservation, but in the end, it is every bit as much a distraction as that stuff you don't like.
Because in all conservation efforts, the end is people using so little resources that it is effectively zero.
While I suppose you don't believe that, tell me, what is the amount of conservation of materials that compensates for population increase?
Let's say we all use 10 percent less of something. Let's say water.
Each new person on earth then uses up water to the same level the rest of us are using, which is 90 percent of what we used before.
So for every new person, how many people's savings in water have been used by this new person?
So we have to reduce all that much the next year, then the year after that, and on and on. Eventually no one uses any water.
Irrelevant. This is an idea already proven viable.
Has not been proven to be economically viable.
Are you trying to say it will never be viable?
I take it back, perhaps there is a conspiracy.
Its the new Slashdot, home for the reactionary status quo. These good folk will be clutching their hatred of anything new until they meet the actuarial tables.
Unfortunately, they get mod points, and in their world, anything they disagree with is marked troll or flame bait.
Agreed. Especially with the subsidies, i.e. my money.
You ar eright. Those oil subsidies are a bit of a nuisance.
SpaceX doesn't qualify for the statement. They are building improved technology to go places in space, but he blindly used a comment that specifically was intended as a comparison against the initial space age where we were clueless and entering blindly to achieve something believed impossible with no fore-knowledge. SpaceX, while awesome doesn't fit his reference.
I think perhaps his point was in reference to my point that Slashdot has been taken over by modern day ultra reactionary Luddites, who don't know a lot, but what they do know is that they absolutely hate almost everything, and that pretty much anything new is simply fucking awful.
The concept of "Spacex doesn't qualify' is really the thing that is sad. You are telling me that channeling forces through the end of these candles, energy that is for all intents and purposes a barely controlled explosion is now so reduced to practice that anyone can do it? You, perhaps are quite wrong.
Kinda sad. Some people can be so clueless. More important isn't the could. Should Tesla flood the planet with their toxic batteries
So tell me of the lack of toxicity in the other methods of power generation. I'm glad to hear there is zero toxic waste in Nuclear, natural gas, oil and hydropower generation.
Pay your respects to thousands of years of education, science, inquisitiveness, some of the greatest minds who ever lived, single individuals who knew all of established science for their time, amazing insights, and artisans capable of creating their off-the-wall ideas using some of the most difficult craftsmanships in existence.
Ah yes, the" Ancient Aliens" mindset of some folks. It's so damn amazing how some people assume that humans are all too stupid to have ever done anything worthwhile or clever, and needed "aliens" to come teach us.
People have their problems. We like to kill each other for fun, and we can be really nasty to each other at other times. But we're actually pretty damned smart when you think about it. Our ancestors were capable of a lot of amazing things, and there really isn't the need to invoke beings that had to come help us because humans are soooo stoopid. An intelligent person from say Pharonic times, would be able to understand modern technology after some exposure to it. They weren't stupid, not even close.
Having watched that AA show a few times, it is just one long argument from personal incredulity. And the problem with accepting arguments from personal incredulity is that the biggest idiot in the room always wins.
LOL you think me getting bored while day drinking on a Saturday and shaming shame-mongers on a dumb website is outrage?
Shrug. More bored now. My poor liver.
Oh hell, I was supposed to be shamed? My wife will tell you, I ain't got no shame. A beer does sound good however. Cheers!