China Estimates Covid Surge Is Infecting 37 Million People a Day (bloomberg.com) 133
Nearly 37 million people in China may have been infected with Covid-19 on a single day this week, according to estimates from the government's top health authority, making the country's outbreak by far the world's largest. From a report: As many as 248 million people, or nearly 18% of the population, likely contracted the virus in the first 20 days of December, according to minutes from an internal meeting of China's National Health Commission held on Wednesday, confirmed with people involved in the discussions. If accurate, the infection rate would dwarf the previous daily record of about 4 million, set in January 2022.
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So what was the strategy here? Zero-covid... forever? They gave it a hell of a shot, and it's failing before our eyes.
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Isn't first class? It barely registered as effective against the alpha strain, and doesn't work on Delta or Omicron strains in any meaningful way.
Sinovac is reasonably effective at preventing death. Measuring effectiveness in terms of preventing infection or symptomatic illness is a waste of time.
They had very effective lockdowns and could have used that time to get some mRNA vaccines in there and at least inoculate the elderly, but they wasted all that time. It's criminal.
Just getting the older people vaccinated with anything would have been better. A third of the over 80s have ZERO previously acquired immunity.
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Measuring effectiveness in terms of preventing infection or symptomatic illness is a waste of time.
I don't understand why it's a waste. Chronic disease disables people. Preventing long COVID causes the government not to be on the hook for compensating disabled survivors of long COVID.
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I don't understand why it's a waste.
Never getting sick or being slightly inconvenienced is not a useful endpoint. It has no substantive real world impact.
Preventing long COVID causes the government not to be on the hook for compensating disabled survivors of long COVID.
The premise symptomatic infection can be stopped or that asymptomatic and minimally symptomatic infections do not cause long covid are without merit. Even in the best of times when the vast majority of the world lacked acquired immunity and suffered from far more dangerous variants the retaliative difference WRT long covid between vaccinated and unvaccinated was low (~15%) ... In the Omicr
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Their vaccination stats are pretty poor, especially among the elderly
I wouldn't assume this isn't intentional move by CCP. China has a very serious demographic problem due to one child policies, killing off 10% of elderly without having to run concentration camps would be very high on the CCP wish list.
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That said, I agree that someone definitely messed up in that they should have been importing the versions of the vaccine that work against the new variants and started getting the most vulnerable populations vaccinated with them (first responders, medical professions, elderly, people with underlying conditions that complicate the infections, food service providers, teachers, and mandatory/essential workers. They could have been doing this over the last 6-8 months, which while it wouldn't mean people wouldn't get sick, they would likely get a more mild case, saving millions of lives.
But instead they had the self praise of their own homegrown solution, and blind following of "state line" to the extent that they could not even acknowledge the weaknesses of the approach, because to do so was unpatriotic... A lot of that view going around the world lately, and a big part of the problems we are facing all are stemming from that.
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Everything has its tipping point; here it was when a bunch of people couldn't get out of their apartment when their building caught fire, because they'd been welded shut inside because "zero covid" . Ofc the kettle was boiling long before that...
It doesn't help that their home grown vaccine is next to useless*, and that their zero-covid policy actually worked. (meaning noone had been exposed -> no natural immunity)
*Note that by this I don't imply anything about the western vaccine, which doesn't seem too
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I think you are thinking too much on this. The end of lockdowns occurred due to massive strikes, protests, and unrest against the lockdowns. Really more against the way the lockdowns occurred. If with a lockdown, people were provided with an income that paided their monthly bills (such as rent, housing, mortgage, loans, food, electricity) then I don't think the population would have been so against the lockdowns. But as it stood and was implemented, every time people got locked down, they still had to pay those things and at the same time they were prevented from being able to work and had no income (for the average person). Only the ultra rich, landowners, and massive business owners had a chance to be able to pay their bills while they were required to be locked up in their homes most of the week/month that they were locked down. So, after the 4th or 5th or 12th time people were locked down for 2-4 weeks, they had no money to continue paying to be locked down and started protesting since they are being forced to go completely broke.
This, one of the reasons the UK didn't suffer from the mass chaos, disorder and societal breakdown that the Lockdown Doomsayers said we would unless we opened up unconditionally and immediately is that we actually took care of people who had rent to pay and food to buy. Ergo helping those they paid rent to and bought food from. This is just a small part but we made it work.
China just welded people inside their flats.
Coincidentally, the lockdown doomsayers are being very, very quiet about how quickly i
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They basically wasted a couple of years by not preparing for the end of lock down.
If they had prepared for it, it would not be so bad.
As for western vaccines, I recall them saying they will only use the mrna vaccines if they can manufacture it in China - basically a tech transfer.
Companies are alot more wary of doing that nowadays, and so of course they refused, but still offered to supply the mrna vaccines to China. China refused, and now this is how it is now.
From showing effective control, they are now g
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Their vaccination stats are pretty poor, especially among the elderly
I wouldn't assume this isn't intentional move by CCP.
No need for conspiracy theories. Other ethnic Chinese populations such as Singapore and Hong Kong also had a lot of vaccine hesitancy/resistance from the elderly and their doctors. Old Chinese people can be very conservative.
As far as I can tell, the vaccination rate of over-80s, (over 70 even) in China is still very poor. While Australia achieved over 95% double vax rate for the elderly long ago, before middle-aged people, the situation is reversed in China.
around 30% of people aged 60 and up — or roughly 80 million people — were not vaccinated and boosted as of Nov. 11. Among those 80 or older, the ratio was closer to 60%.
Even if their home-grown vaccine was as good a
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So what was the strategy here? Zero-covid... forever?
The strategy is cultural. A strategy led by someone who would rather let the country burn than admit they were wrong. The idea of saving face is inherently ingrained in the culture of east Asian countries and people would do anything in their power to demonstrate they aren't wrong. This becomes incredibly devastating when the people in question have a lot of power.
I got to experience this first hand at a Chinese plant I was helping commission. The control systems team leader was drowning in his commissioning backlog. We had 3 westerners helping, myself included. But he commissioned an identical plant without any external help so his idea of saving face was showing his boss that he is capable of doing it without us. He took on all the work every day, and managed to get through barely 1/4 of it and hid from his management that the backlog was growing.
Anyway we ended up outright stealing work from him. That is we knew he was working his backlog from the top down, so we'd come in and work it from the bottom up without telling him, and eventually he started getting confused about taking on tasks which were already done. When he found out were were secretly doing the work without saying anything to his boss, he took us all out drinking.
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That was nice of you.
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We all had a common goal. One way or the other the work needed doing. Nothing good would have come from pissing someone off.
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Except for Best Korea, which other country has tried to implement zero-Covid-forever policies? Is it really fair to attribute the policy to an Asian culture of "saving face" if only two countries have tried it, and they share a more notable distinction than just being Asian?
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Except for Best Korea, which other country has tried to implement zero-Covid-forever policies?
None, because they had effective vaccine systems.
Is it really fair to attribute the policy to an Asian culture of "saving face" if only two countries have tried it, and they share a more notable distinction than just being Asian?
If you distil any event down to tiny specific details such as "zero-covid-forever" you eventually get to the point where only one or two places try something. Then using that point as a counter argument is disingenuous. But we don't need to look at zero-covid-forever policy. We can remove two words and look at "covid policy". When you do that you start seeing a trend of countries the world over changing and adapting as they identify things which did and didn
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What did the time get them?
Better, and more widely tested vaccines for those who want them.
A milder version of the virus
Much more knowledge about how dangerous the disease actually is (including long-term consequences)
The certainty that enough of the rest of the world doesn't give enough fucks to stamp it out no matter how well China, New Zealand, etc. do their part, and it's probably not going away on its own.
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A variety of actually effective post-infection treatments that dramatically reduce the risk of
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Clearly their lockdowns "worked" in the sense that they did keep transmission down; we can see that by the fact that transmissions have gone way up once they changed approaches.
Because Covid has potent immune system evasive abilities, herd immunity was never in the cards, although before we knew this it was a reasonable to hope for that as an exit to the crisis. Without herd immunity, there is no exit. You need is a coherent, long-term strategy which deals with contingencies as they arrive.
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I think it's kinda remarkable there's still so much fuel for the fire after 3 years. So, their draconian lockdowns did "work." But what did that do with the time that bought them? Their vaccination stats are pretty poor, especially among the elderly, and their vaccine itself apparently isn't first-class.
So what was the strategy here? Zero-covid... forever? They gave it a hell of a shot, and it's failing before our eyes.
The plan was:
1) Draconian lock-downs to show everyone that Chinese government/society is so much more effective than Westerners.
2) Spread a bunch of nasty s**t about the western mRNA vaccines.
3) Make an awesome Chinese vaccine.
4) Give people the awesome Chinese vaccine.
The problem was after trashing western vaccines their own vaccine wasn't that great [nature.com], so even though they're mostly inoculated [ycharts.com] they're not that immune.
So they got stuck in a permanent lock-down not wanting to admit defeat.
They did luck out a b
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The problem was after trashing western vaccines their own vaccine wasn't that great [nature.com]
You're wrong. It's at least 80% effective at preventing hospitalization according to studies done outside of China:
Brazil [thelancet.com]:
For the three vaccines with two doses (CoronaVac, ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, and BNT162b2), additional protection against symptomatic infection was observed after the second dose, reaching 39% to 65%, and protection against hospitalisation or death exceeded 80% 14 days or more after the second dose.
Chile [nature.com]:
the Chilean government reported preliminary results on the effectiveness of booster shots, based on data from some two million people who had received two shots of CoronaVac, and a third shot of the CoronaVac, Pfizer–BioNTech or Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccines. Protection against COVID-19 jumped from 56% after two shots to 80% or higher after a third shot of any vaccine, with protection against hospitalization rising from 84% to 87%.
Is it as good as the best mRNA vaccines? No. But it's a less than 10% difference in the metric that really matters, and way better than nothing.
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The Nature news article I posted has a lot of info (though it's a bit dated) but this one is more current [slate.com]. Basically, the Chinese vaccines are based off of inactivated viruses which seem to promote a less robust immune response in general, and the immunity drops off more quickly on top of that.
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Pretty much all mass media talks about is symptomatic infection. If you only look at that metric you might think the Chinese vaccines are bad. However, hospitalization rate is the more important metric. If people don't need to go to the hospital, then it's might as well be the flu. And on that front they're the same as other vaccines.
It's a bit like saying a fancy Swiss watch is better than a regular digital watch. It is indeed better in some ways, but it's basically the same in the most important aspect, w
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Pretty much all mass media talks about is symptomatic infection. If you only look at that metric you might think the Chinese vaccines are bad. However, hospitalization rate is the more important metric. If people don't need to go to the hospital, then it's might as well be the flu. And on that front they're the same as other vaccines.
It's a bit like saying a fancy Swiss watch is better than a regular digital watch. It is indeed better in some ways, but it's basically the same in the most important aspect, which is keeping accurate time.
Except isn't not as effective when it comes to hospitalization either. That's not to say it's useless, far from, but there does seem to be a real gap between the Chinese vaccines and other candidates.
But the picture changes drastically in people over 80, says co-author Daniel Villela, an epidemiologist at the Oswaldo Cruz Foundation at Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. In that group, CoronaVac was only 30% effective at preventing severe disease and 45% effective against death, compared with 67% and 85%, respectively,
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Maybe just buying time for a true eradication vaccine.
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Lying about lessons not learned? (Score:2)
Closest thing I could find to a thoughtful response to a trollish FP branch. Negative kudos to Joe Dragon?
However, I think you're muddling the situation unless you have evidence that the Zero Covid policy was completely failing and that large numbers of Chinese people were dying and that they were hushing it up. However that seems quite inconsistent with the extreme and intrusive visibility of the containment efforts while Zero Covid was in place.
On the other hand, I think it is now quite obvious that large
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But that's not what the governments said and tried to make you believe. I've seen way too many people who were vaccinated die of covid or went from a perfectly healthy/fit person into being sick and unfit all the time.
I am sorry for your losses. Zero people I know personally have died of COVID, and also no hospitalizations, though a few people who have had COVID (after vaccination) have had a pretty tough time of it. Most have been out of commission just in bed for a few days, or less.
The actual statistics are pretty clear that the vaccinations have drastically reduced hospitalizations and deaths.
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If only they'd followed the model where they just let people get COVID so they potentially die or get long COVID symptoms that might effect them the rest of their lives. That way they can GeT NaTUrAl IMmUNiTy, rather than get the vaccine which reduces the severity of their symptoms and pretty much guarantees survival. I'll be right back, I gotta go eat some more paste.
So, what you're saying is that what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Well, unless it really does kill you, or gives you long covid, or infects someone else, so that they die or get long covid, or infects you a second time with a variant.
So, why would this no-vaccine, just natural immunity plan only work for covid? Why not polio and smallpox? Hmm, maybe there is something to this idea. It helped Europeans more easily conquer the already existing inhabitants in the Americas. Also worked for the
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If that with the unhealthy lives was true, it would have wiped out 75% of the Trumpsters.
Indeed the only reason Trump himself is still alive is that he had access to a level of medical care that only a handful of Americans would.
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Do you think that an experimental, unproven treatment would be tried on the President of the United States if there was any alternative what so ever other than letting him die?
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The rabid liberal assclown who won't admit that the people who died were (by and large) leading unhealthy lives. Let's not correct that.. No.. There can be no fat-shaming or any suggestions that maybe being a giant fat tub of concentrated lard MIGHT have some medical repercussions.
On that note, I'm curious which synonym of 'miraculous' would you use to describe President Trump's recovery from COVID-19?
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Merry Christmas, man.
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Comorbidities. More than one factor affecting their health.
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Apple is heavily dependent upon china labor....
Per the original post you replied do...China may do a hard shut down again, which will likely halt the flow of any Apple product production.
Apple, needs to diversify where they get their stuff made and not be so dependent upon one country (China).
Labor rates are going up in china anyway...so, it's a good idea for Apple to move a LOT of production out of china for many reasons, not j
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Crematoriums in China can't kee up (Score:5, Interesting)
Now that China is letting nature take its course, the expected results are coming to light. Thousands of people are dying each day from covid, and crematoriums can't keep up [cnn.com] with the bodies which keep coming in.
However, taking a cue from several U.S. states who shifted the goalposts, China is now saying only if the person died directly from covid [nytimes.com] is that considered a covid death. If there were any other symptoms or conditions, it's not counted as a covid death. Which is why China is now saying only a few dozen people are dying each day from covid.
Pretty neat, huh? Let the bodies pile up while telling everyone there's nothing going on.
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The isolation measures often caused more issues than the virus in Omicron outbreaks.
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It's this really true? Could be that the staff at the crematoriums just had to stay home because they got infected.
The isolation measures often caused more issues than the virus in Omicron outbreaks.
It's a CNN article, they don't care about accuracy or context only pushing buttons. The media is driven almost entirely by worthless anecdotes.
A third of over 80s in China are unvaccinated despite having had ample opportunity to do so. There is likely to be a lot (in absolute terms) of very old people dying a little earlier than would otherwise be the case.
About the only thing we can really count on is for the Chinese dictatorship to lie thru its teeth.
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Of course, it is possible to be unreasonable in either direction.
Excess mortality [nature.com] is the closest we will get to the truth, though even that is not perfect.
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It's literally impossible to get this exactly right. When somebody with several problems dies, there's no to say which one "really" killed them, especially since they might have overcome each of the things individually.
Only if you see the world as simple, linear and single-causal.
The truth is right there: The person suffered from multiple problems and succumbed to the combination of them.
Just like you can survive being stabbed, and you can survive being outside in the cold for an hour, but you are unlikely to survive being stabbed and then being left to bleed out. Did the stabbing kill you? Or the bleeding? Does it make sense to consider them as if they were independent?
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"Lied to". Only if you're a paranoid. Early on when we were inventing policy to handle this problem we haven't had for over a century we counted everyone who had it regardless but we pretty quickly saw that wasn't a good way to do things and switch to if it was a contributing factor https://www.aamc.org/news-insi... [aamc.org] . Believe it or not that doesn't mean you were lied to, it just means we started with a shitty system in the early panicky days and then figured out something better.
It's kind of pathetic how stupid this culture war has gotten that it leaves people seeing conspiracy behind every little thing. Large bodies of people won't even accept near universal medical consensus "cause da intranet told mes vaccines was bad"
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It was never even close to mandatory (hence our country's low vaccination rates) and the vaccine did not create any long term problems to any more people then the vast majority of treatments regularly prescribed by doctors.
Thanks for illustrating my point though. "Duh, I know better then all the doctors in the entire world cause (limp anecdotal evidence that is not supported by any numbers in any country in the world)"
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Seems too simplistic. If I know you to be clumsy, I push you on a stair case, and you fall to your death, I might have trouble convincing a jury you died because of your established inability to maintain your balance.
The test probably should be, had I not pushed you, would you still be alive? And the same logic would apply to Covid. Had the person not had Covid, would they have survived the same event/timeframe?
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this. i'd mod you up if i could.
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People that are terminally ill because of covid get executed, so that they do not add to the covid death count...
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Thousands of people are dying each day from covid,
Oh, how many times did I read China was lying about covid deaths last 2 years? If there is a surge of deaths now, does it mean they were previously not lying?
Pretty neat, huh? Let the bodies pile up while telling everyone there's nothing going on.
So China doesn't communicate an accurate number of deaths but if it was accurate people would be scared and ask for what? Lockdown?
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Now that China is letting nature take its course, the expected results are coming to light. Thousands of people are dying each day from covid, and crematoriums can't keep up [cnn.com] with the bodies which keep coming in.
However, taking a cue from several U.S. states who shifted the goalposts, China is now saying only if the person died directly from covid [nytimes.com] is that considered a covid death. If there were any other symptoms or conditions, it's not counted as a covid death. Which is why China is now saying only a few dozen people are dying each day from covid.
Pretty neat, huh? Let the bodies pile up while telling everyone there's nothing going on.
TBF, Florida copied China first by having the government issue false statistics and persecuting anyone daring to point out otherwise.
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I have my doubts about this. It's only been two weeks since they gave up on zero covid. I find it hard to believe that new enormous numbers of people have already died as a result.
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Throughout the entire west, we saw a net decline in the mortality rate during 2020
So tell us, which part of Beijing are you from to make such a ridiculous statement? The mortality rate in the U.S. alone jumped 17% in 2020 [nbcnews.com]. For Europe, all but one or two countries saw an increase in mortality [cebm.net] in 2020.
Do you really think covid is suddenly killing millions of people in China - particularly given the early Chinese "people dying in the streets" propaganda videos we saw?
It's not propaganda if it's true. For China to claim only 8 people died last week from covid is just about the biggest lie they could put out. Only claiming they had no deaths would be a bigger lie. When you have bodies piling up outside crematoriums [9cache.com], and the people handling the bodies are in full protective gear, that is not normal. If the person died from cancer or a heart attack, gloves would be sufficient to move the body. Do you really believe hospitals in China always look like this [9cache.com]? Or this is how bodies are normally stored [9cache.com]?
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. When you have bodies piling up outside crematoriums [9cache.com], and the people handling the bodies are in full protective gear, that is not normal.
How would you even know? What do you know about the topic? Have you studied it to know what's normal or caused by insufficient supply, covid, staffing shortages or political quotas? Cremation rates have been soaring in some areas of China in recent years due to political pressures.
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/ch... [ceicdata.com]
Do you really believe hospitals in China always look like this?
You remind me of the war reporter that always hangs out at the hospitals and "gives it to us straight".
Do you really believe hospitals in China always look like this? Or this is how bodies are normally stored?
You tell me. You seem to have all the answers.
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One thing to remember is that in China, The idea of "saving face" is really important because it's considered absolutely critical for your survival to have a good social reputation; So as a result they will blatantly lie about the numbers because they don't want to be seen as the middle manager of a district that failed the CCP.
As a result you should consider these numbers far higher, and more of a big deal. If you go online and follow the correct twitter accounts for example you will find ones that track the number of cars going into crematoriums and tracking deaths by counting traffic patterns outside the ones that are c19 deaths only, and its far bigger than the west is being told because China is also taking this opportunity to clean house of citizens it also considers undesirable, such as the elderly or disabled.
Go look for yourself.
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it could also be they are inflating the numbers intentionally as way of saying
>see, the zero covid policy was a good idea, all hail lifelong emperor Xi.
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pragmatism.
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Still do wonder why they just did not develop an RNA vaccine themselves.
They have developed mRNA vaccines actually. In fact more than one.
https://www.scmp.com/business/... [scmp.com]
https://www.nature.com/article... [nature.com]
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At least two
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There were many in the 20th century, although many may quibble about "false pretenses". See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Not so many in the 21st century.
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That's what matters.
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China is also taking this opportunity to clean house of citizens it also considers undesirable, such as the elderly or disabled
Any sources about this elderly genocide? Why all these lockdowns before? Make no sense. I guess people think it's a 4D chess move:
1) Use unlimited lockdown to enslave population
2) Remove lockdowns to kill elderly
3) Reactivate lockdowns when people finally ask for it
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It seems that the CCP is actually not too upset about what is happening. The message is very much "we knew what's best, and when we let you have your way because you protested look what happens".
It's a strange game where they don't want to admit the true numbers and the fact that Chinese vaccines are less effective, but also see it as an opportunity to teach people a painful lesson.
Estimated 1.5m to die (Score:3, Insightful)
They’ll quietly burn/bury 1.5 million corpses, and pretend it never happened.
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China has 1.42B people. With a death rate of 7.683/1000 that's ~11M people a year dying in any given year.
If 10% of those are COVID that aligns with the western world. Of all the US deaths in 2020/2021 only 10% were COVID. 90% were from other causes like heart disease, cancer, etc.
https://www.macrotrends.net/co... [macrotrends.net]
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And a lot of registered COVID deaths weren't even directly due to COVID but purely because they tested positive on arrival in hospital
We know from the total number of deaths in the US compared to the expected number that we massively undercounted the number of Covid caused deaths, not the other way around. Stop with the trolling.
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People dying of advanced cancer that wasn't detected early, or of drug overdoses because lockdowns made them look for solutions in pills or a needle, are not "Covid caused deaths" in the way you are talking about -- yet they represent a considerable fraction of the excess death number you referred to. (For example, some models [healthitanalytics.com] were ridiculously optimistic, but you weren't talking about those, were you?)
Maybe if you were not so busy trolling, you would point to actual numbers for "total number of deaths in
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So US government did not do much better at protecting people from covid. Probably it can't be blamed only on government.
What baffles me is why Chi
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But current variants aren't quite as deadly. If China had adopted the attitude of much of the US from the start in dealing with the original strain, their numbers would have been much worse, and probably classified even more top hush than the current numbers. Apples and Oranges.
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They’ll get through it. 1.5 million or even 10.5 m
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No need to revise history here. They pushed vaccines hard, but take up was not great. Many Chinese people don't like to take medicine unless they really have to.
As for Western vaccines, think about the reaction in the US if people had been offered Chinese vaccines. The Chinese ones ended up being about as good as the non-mRNA Western ones like AstraZenica, although with fewer side effects. There were some poor numbers early on, because China gave vaccines to places like Brazil that were getting ravaged.
The CCP banked on better vaccine uptake and that they could control the virus better than it turned out to be possible to do. When the protests started they knew they had to change course and could blame any deaths on the protestors demanding them.
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They pushed vaccines hard, but take up was not great.
They had no problem locking people in their homes indefinitely, but getting them to take a simple shot three times was too hard?
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Medicine when you are not ill is a hard sell. Quarantining people who tested ill is not.
There's also a difference between what the CCP does and what local government does. The CCP has devolved a lot of power and decision making, as you would expect. Local government taking things too far is a local issue. Reports from people living in places like Shenzhen that are quite progressive and liberal (relatively) paint a much better picture.
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The citizenry can always protest hahaha who are we kidding this is China.
Zero covid policy stopped literally because people protested . Also I bet western countries will still stay forever on the podium regarding covid deaths (using deaths per capita obviously).
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"If, on the Great Chinese Famine, approximately 23 million of a population of 650 million people died, the percentage would be 3.5%"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
The Chinese government, good socialists that they were, considered that an acceptable loss rate.
Also, "Not all deaths during the Great Leap were from starvation. Frank Dikötter, in his book Mao's Great Famine, estimates that at least 2.5 million people were beaten or tortured to death and one million to three million committed suicide."
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Xi has been really bad for China (Score:2)
Same as every other true believer that ever got any real power. Unfortunately, they will probably not get him that "window high-up experience" that cretin richly deserves.
Scary Stuff (Score:2)
Well they do say.... (Score:1)
Still within limits 'cause ... (Score:2)
China renamed its Zero-COVID policy to 37M-COVID.
Omicron BF.7 (Score:2, Insightful)
Thanks to the rest of the world being infected first, China is dealing with Omicron subvariant BF.7, which has a much, much lower mortality rate than all the variants prior to Delta.
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> China is dealing with Omicron subvariant BF.7
So far... After a few months of a couple million infections per day, we shall see...
Victoria (Score:2)
Fuck anyone who said that lockdowns don't work.
Political circle jerk flowchart (Score:2)