In India, Engineers and MBAs Are Turning To Manual Labor To Survive the Economic Crash (washingtonpost.com) 127
As India's economy reels in the aftermath of one of the world's strictest lockdowns, a rural employment program has emerged as a lifeline for some of the tens of millions left jobless. From a report: The government program -- which aims to guarantee 100 days of unskilled work in rural areas -- was intended to combat poverty and reduce the volatility of agricultural wages. Now it is a potent symbol of how the middle-class dreams of millions of Indians are unraveling. The program is serving as a last resort for university graduates as well as former white-collar workers who find themselves with no other safety net. More than 17 million new entrants applied to access the program from April through mid-September. Nearly 60 million households participated during that time -- higher than the total for all of last year and the most in the program's 14-year history. The need is dire. India's economic output shrank by 24 percent in the three months to June compared to the same period last year, worse than any other major economy. During the nationwide lockdown, more than 120 million jobs were lost, most of them in the country's vast informal sector. Many of those workers have returned to work out of sheer necessity, often scraping by on far lower wages.
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That's also every other country on earth, and before the pandemic.
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No, plenty of countries have rising percent of people NOT doing manual labor, such as USA from early 1970s to now. To badly paraphrase "the good, the bad and the ugly" there are two kinds of people, those with skills, and those who dig.
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In every country on earth you have a pool of overeducated, under- or unemployed people. Skills are meaningless when there are enough other people with skills to fill the available jobs.
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yeah and the pool not shrinking in many places, it's growing.
and new businesses and new wealth can be created, the pie can be grown, not a fixed sized pie that must be cut into ever smaller pieces which is the nonsense many socialist/communists try to hoodwink people with
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yeah and the pool not shrinking in many places, it's growing.
and new businesses and new wealth can be created, the pie can be grown, not a fixed sized pie that must be cut into ever smaller pieces which is the nonsense many socialist/communists try to hoodwink people with
Haven't looked at the US recently, have you? Wealth is only being created for the 1%. Businesses are consolidating and buying out competitors so they keep an ever growing piece of the pie. Salaries have only risen 11.9% in the past 40 years for the average worker which means they are making less than now 40 years ago, adjusted for inflation. The top 1% of earners now has the same, if not more, wealth than the entire middle class [forbes.com].
The only people being hoodwinked are those who keep saying if you give corporations tax cuts that extra money will trickle down to the workers. It's never happened before, but the lies keep coming. And the pie keeps getting smaller.
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Salaries have only risen 11.9% in the past 40 years for the average worker which means they are making less than now 40 years ago, adjusted for inflation.
Source?
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, [bls.gov] real (inflation adjusted) wages for production and nonsupervisory employees are up 17% since 1980.
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Source is here [cnbc.com] and it's only a year old. I'm certain things have changed.
Even if the BLS numbers are closer (they aren't, but that's another story), that 17% is still eaten away by inflation so the average worker is still making less now than they were in 1980. Even the Pew Research Center, the gold standard for information, says the same thing [pewresearch.org] citing BLS numbers.
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Source is here [cnbc.com] and it's only a year old. I'm certain things have changed.
Your source gets its 11.9% number from this report, [epi.org] which says the number is inflation adjusted:
Apparently the author of the CNBC piece deci
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You keep spewing lies when hard facts say the opposite. why don't you use google or other search engine, find out what authoritative sources say. Income going up, more people have jobs. Middle class growing.
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And yet, you often get the situation such as in the US for the last 50 years - where the pie continues to grow at much the same rate as for the century prior, but virtually all of the new pie is going to the people that already had the biggest slice, while wages stagnate for most of the population.
The problem is that those who have the most pie, also have the most power, and use that power to change the rules of the game to further solidify their own claim to a disproportionate amount of pie.
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Skills are meaningless when there are enough other people with skills to fill the available jobs.
Not only that, but the supposedly trained frequently overvalue their supposed skills.
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That's also every other country on earth, and before the pandemic.
Not really; California tried a program whereby welfare recipients could get transportation and lodging in the countryside to do a stint at farm labor and get paid for working for a change. The people who tried it quit after a day saying it was too hard.
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My father supported me in getting my PhD in physics, but always told me to learn a useful skill as a fallback. People may not always need PhDs, but they'll always need plumbers.
After Rome was sacked plumbing was an unknown art in Europe for about 800 years. So, plumbers, watch out for Visigoths.
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My father supported me in getting my PhD in physics, but always told me to learn a useful skill as a fallback. People may not always need PhDs, but they'll always need plumbers.
Wise advice at one time, but not really applicable today. As in right now, when every "fallback" industry will be getting flooded with desperation soon. 17 million applicants? 60 million households? One cannot merely dismiss or ignore these numbers. And they will get worse. Far worse.
And in the meantime, Greed demands that we get rid of all these pesky, complaining, expensive, sickly human workers and replace them with machines, including degree holders.
Our largest mistake going forward, is to continue to assume you can justify and sustain a human life solely based on their ability to get and keep a job. This is a stupid and dying mentality.
Fact: There will not be enough jobs, for everyone. Likely ever again. And We need to figure that out, because Greed already has an answer; death.
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Greed only causes death in proles. Zero impact on your kings and queens.
But, yes, solid advice to learn some alternate skills.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
- RAH
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Greed only causes death in proles. Zero impact on your kings and queens.
Cleary you've never heard of the concept of Eat the Rich. Let me know how the kings and queens feel when their heads are on pikes. You act as if ignorant governments and greedy leaders are not building up a horrific case of human desperation the world over. Shit gets bad when humans are desperate. Real bad.
But, yes, solid advice to learn some alternate skills.
The only viable skill many humans will "learn" in the world of automation and AI, is convincing governments to not "lower taxes" by killing millions.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
Most of the shit on your antiquated list machines
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You should immediately give back your geek card on the way out.
You failed to recognize that text as a quote from Robert A. Heinlein, author of Starship Troopers amongst other works, even though the original poster included the initials RAH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://www.azquotes.com/autho... [azquotes.com]
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You should immediately give back your geek card on the way out.
You failed to recognize that text as a quote from Robert A. Heinlein, author of Starship Troopers amongst other works, even though the original poster included the initials RAH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://www.azquotes.com/autho... [azquotes.com]
It was an obvious quote, and searching on "RAH" (which I did), wasn't yielding clear results.
And while I've not read the book, I've seen the movie. Written in the 50s but set in a future society, even by today's standards. Which makes the antiquated references even more pointless in the context of this conversation. (How ironic it was the specialized insects who were killing off the one-size-fits-all humans in this story, as the writer shits on specialization.)
I also had to thoroughly explain why the new
Call a plumber and get a quote (Score:2)
Call a plumber and get a price to change out a faucet (a 10-15 minute job).
Then tell me plumbers don't make any money anymore.
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Worse, plumbers will suffer in a bad economy. When I wanted to get some work done on my house in the boom times of the mid 2000s I was quoted $5k so I jury rigged it and moved on. When the 2008 crash hit and building just stopped
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Plumbers charge a lot for a quick job because they can. They can because you need tools, skills, and a willingness to work on equipment containing other people's feces. Contrary to popular belief you need to know more than shit rolls downhill and paydays are on Thursdays. A lot more.
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Plumbers charge a lot for a quick job because they can. They can because you need tools, skills, and a willingness to work on equipment containing other people's feces. Contrary to popular belief you need to know more than shit rolls downhill and paydays are on Thursdays. A lot more.
A quick job would be a faucet repair. Or a bad toilet flapper or seal.
People pay plumbers for those simple jobs because A) they have disposable income, and B) they're too lazy to look on YouTube.
See how much disposable income will be floating around in the next decade.
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There will still be work, there just won't be as much quick work. It will probably be more shit work.
That's the real reason people don't want to be a plumber. And it's reasonable.
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There will still be work, there just won't be as much quick work. It will probably be more shit work.
That's the real reason people don't want to be a plumber. And it's reasonable.
Reason has already turned to desperation for many.
You know what I call a "shit" job that pays a living wage in 2020? Employed. Lucky. And thus to my previous point, alive.
Plumbers...mechanics...lawn maintenance....every market will be flooded soon with desperation. And it's reasonable to expect that.
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Call a plumber and get a price to change out a faucet (a 10-15 minute job).
Then tell me plumbers don't make any money anymore.
I can charge $300 to install a WiFi router too. Doesn't mean it's worth it.
Arguments like this used to have value.
Before YouTube.
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Youtube is full of numbnuts who have no idea what they're about. And weekend amateurs hail them as gods because they're doing something with their hands. Youtube is for the trades what AOL was to the internet. Just saying, as a lifelong tradesman. There's a lot of crap online, and people have to learn how to find the good stuff.
Much like you, you're talking to a mechanically inclined individual with an above-average IQ who knows what a wrench is. And it's not hard to find the same kind of person on YouTube who is skilled as well. Amateurs only hail them as gods when their instructions actually work. Give bad instructions, get bad reviews. Get no views. It's not that hard to find the "good stuff."
And it's a faucet repair, not a transmission rebuild on a Peterbuilt. If it were that difficult, it wouldn't be legal to sell a fau
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Why is this marked insightful? Like the industrial revolution was the end of civilization? We've already been through this transition. It was not a pretty transition, but most of society is no longer directly involved in food production. The main problems now are transitions happening too fast for the labor market to adapt, actual abuses (union busting), and people electing con-men as politicians who are actually working against the interest of their own constituency. The whole communism/capitalism str
Because the transition was painful (Score:5, Insightful)
The industrial revolution wasn't some quick, clean thing where people stopped working at the buggy whip factory on Tuesday and went to work for Henry Ford on Wednesday. There's a reason people called life then nasty, brutish and short.
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. Eventually new tech came along... and employed their grandchildren. That didn't help them.
Cynical thought for the day: that they lived long enough to have grandchildren might mean they were actually better positioned than we are today
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At the moment we're still better off, and likely will be for our lifetime. That's sort of the problem. All the terrible things coming down the pipe are going to hit are great grandchildren. We'll be long dead by then.
Like I've said before, climate change is years from now but rent's due at the end of the month.
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Not sure how you thought I meant it was easy. I marked the entire cold war as the coda, so pretty bad. The point is that it already happened. We now know how to handle steady changes in labor market, we just have to actually implement them. Since the industrial revolution we've gone through several cycles of massive changes in labor. Office work today bears no resemblance to what it did 40 years ago. Most of the labor then (secretarial, records, accounting, inventory) is now all done by computers. We
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Why is this marked insightful? Like the industrial revolution was the end of civilization? We've already been through this transition. It was not a pretty transition, but most of society is no longer directly involved in food production. The main problems now are transitions happening too fast for the labor market to adapt, actual abuses (union busting), and people electing con-men as politicians who are actually working against the interest of their own constituency. The whole communism/capitalism struggle of the late 20th century was basically the completion of this transition. The conclusion was that command economies don't work, and a total free market doesn't work (which we knew all along, Smith advocated for a regulated free market, not anarchy). A mostly-free market, allowing decentralized decision-making, with socialized services and regulation is what works for a post-agrarian economy. Modest inflation forces re-investment and keeps labor moving to new opportunities when the current ones become more automated, while social services can maintain a minimum standard at a modest overall cost.
More to the point... having a breadth of skills is really the kernel of the advice. i.e. mobility in the labor market is what is valuable in changing times. This is the actual purpose of college -- refining one's ability to learn. A college-educated individual should be much better able to learn how to do something new than someone who was only trained to do a particular job (like a plumber).
You really don't get how this is different, do you?
In previous revolutions, the answer for the redundant/obsolete masses was always "just go find another job." Go re-train yourself. Buggy whip users and all. The next revolution (Automation and AI), is eliminating the need for the human to do the damn job.
Stop being ignorant by looking at history as if this is the same. It isn't. Not even close. Today we still value a humans value and worth on their ability to be employed. And Greed has no answer for
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"We've already been through this transition. It was not a pretty transition, but most of society is no longer directly involved in food production. The main problems now are transitions happening too fast for the labor market to adapt"
You were so close. When you got to this point you should have said "wait, that alone destroys my entire argument." The transitions are happening too fast for the market to adapt.
We have NOT been through THIS transition, by definition. It's different from the last major transit
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In India's case likely true. They have real deep seated problems with nationalism, racism and religious prejudice. This will likely feed nationalism and blame the other people, India is becoming a tinder box and the slightest spark could set it off. Watch for conflict between Pakistan and India, as many idle hands make for much conflict. Both governments politicians will resort to destructive nationalism and religious prejudice to keep power, war becomes a real risk.
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In India's case likely true. They have real deep seated problems with nationalism, racism and religious prejudice. This will likely feed nationalism and blame the other people, India is becoming a tinder box and the slightest spark could set it off. Watch for conflict between Pakistan and India, as many idle hands make for much conflict. Both governments politicians will resort to destructive nationalism and religious prejudice to keep power, war becomes a real risk.
This does sound rather horrific, but we are rather busy right now in the US, working hard to convert a political civil war into an actual civil war.
Tinder Box, USA has its own zip code, and Amazon distribution center. Pray for peace, the world over.
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Fact: There will not be enough jobs, for everyone. Likely ever again. And We need to figure that out, because Greed already has an answer; death.
We have more than enough jobs, just not enough jobs people are willing to do for minimum wage. Same with food, pay migrate workers more and food will stop dying on the vine.
Sounds like we have plenty of food, because food makers don't give a shit if it dies on the vine. They also don't care to pay more than a shitty wage. Eventually, that shitty wage will become an unlivable wage, which creates the exact end result I stated before; death.
Go ahead. Take a look at living expenses mid pandemic. Then wait until we're really paying for this fucker. Shit is about to get a lot more expensive. Which means one thing; death.
Oh, and when food owners do finally get forced to treat
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Really if a job adds so little value that it cannot justify a liveable wage it should be automated away. If there are not enough non automatable jobs left pay a dole and finance it through taxes on the owners of the automation. its not difficult. Forcing people to keep working minimum wage jobs better done by robots is just cruel.
I'm glad you feel that everyone who has a job like that, is sad, angry, and suffering at the hands of their employers.
In the meantime some might actually find happiness doing that job that you think is "cruel", but most are just happy to have a fucking job. To simply stay alive. Which is exactly my point, and you have no answer for it.
If it's "not difficult", then DO IT. Go ahead. Tax the rich. See how fucking far you get with that pointless gesture. You might want to try and secure legal rights in I
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Too hard to tax their corporations.
I say we take 20% off the top (of the largest shareholders and their boards). Namely, the head and a little more for good measure.
It's too hard to tax the rich corporations, but you really think you're going to tax the rich individuals running those rich corporations?
AT&T some years ago tacked on a tiny 61-cent surcharge onto every wireless bill. Eagle-eyed consumers bitched and complained, but it didn't stop a damn thing. Executives running that corporation pocketed millions from that tiny little surcharge, which was the exact outcome the rich were going for. Then there was another 50-cent surcharge, which was called a "
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My father supported me in getting my PhD in physics, but always told me to learn a useful skill as a fallback. People may not always need PhDs, but they'll always need plumbers.
Wise advice at one time, but not really applicable today. As in right now, when every "fallback" industry will be getting flooded with desperation soon. 17 million applicants? 60 million households? One cannot merely dismiss or ignore these numbers. And they will get worse. Far worse.
And in the meantime, Greed demands that we get rid of all these pesky, complaining, expensive, sickly human workers and replace them with machines, including degree holders.
Our largest mistake going forward, is to continue to assume you can justify and sustain a human life solely based on their ability to get and keep a job. This is a stupid and dying mentality.
Fact: There will not be enough jobs, for everyone. Likely ever again. And We need to figure that out, because Greed already has an answer; death.
You offer no proposed solutions anywhere in that lame rant. So moderators, why is it insightful?
Because if anyone had real answers to the Disease of Greed, mankind wouldn't still be creating it's own demise. That's why.
You know all those mysterious relics we keep finding buried around the planet that no one has found an insightful explanation for why they're here, or even how they were created? That's the kind of shit that reinforces the fact that humans are dumb enough to damn near extinct ourselves. We've probably done it before. And it would take one stressed out nutjob leader with a nuke to do
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Jesus fucking Christ what a world we live in that the above could get posted to
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There's a limit to how many people you need to calculate shell trajectories and design gun sights. Using sound to triangulate the location of enemy artillery only needs inventing once. Trench building needs engineers not physicists.
Anyway, they should be grateful. They could've been trained as pilots.
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My father supported me in getting my PhD in physics, but always told me to learn a useful skill as a fallback. People may not always need PhDs, but they'll always need plumbers.
Not quite on the same level of training, but the late Jim Varney, comedian and movie star, used to tell people that if his movie career ever petered out, it was fine, he'd never go hungry, because he used to lay floor tile for a living and he still had his tile tools in the shed. And he was serious. And that's a great attitude to have.
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Maybe I'll finish that math degree.
Somehow this reminds me of a cartoon that I can't seem to find right now. It showed two panhandlers, with one saying to the other something along the lines of "If this doesn't work out, we can always fall back on our teaching careers."
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Recession may be coming (Score:3)
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Manual labor is harder than mental labor. Eventually manual labor, even if it is just carrying something back and forth, will be worth more than someone sitting in a chair thinking (or more likely watching a screen to make sure the automated computer is working as intended).
Only if society collapses. Otherwise the knowledge workers who invent the robot that carries something back and forth get paid, the people who employ them get paid more, and the people who it displaces get shown the door.
MBA's doing physical labor? (Score:4)
Sounds like a wonderful plan. Let's make ALL OF THEM do physical labor, since none of them know shit from shinola, and have destroyed the US economy.
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Or you could just stop voting Republican (Score:2)
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i too have karma for the burninating. To the People:
Ranked Choice Voting, motherfuckers. Then: repeal Citizens United v. FEC, repeal Buckley v. Valeo, repeal the DMCA, fix the 13 amendment slavery loophole, and secure womens' rights over their own bodies by replacing Roe v. Wade with a proper amendment.
Yes, it's a metric (we are a metric country, yep) fuckton of work (actual unit). Do you want a home or a goddamn hellhole? Will you live your life standing up, or will you live and die on your knees?
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On my knees , with my rosary in my hand sir. Live and Die, to protect women and children from being exploited by people who want to use women as sex toys then pay for them to kill their children. Until we as a society recognize human dignity is linked to human sexuality and that sexuality cannot be arbitrarily defined and sex always comes with consequences and responsibilities, we will never fix the root cause of the #metoo movement. Women will continue to be exploited and no right of any kind will be saf
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And so what will you say to the woman who was violently raped and got pregnant?
The usual shenanigans most likely.
If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. [google.com]
Or claim she shouldn't have been wearing such a short skirt.
Maybe even a "God's will".
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Because any woman who chooses to use birth control or get an abortion is actually being controlled by someone else as a sex toy?
You're arguing that half the population is incapable of making their own informed decisions as a full human. Shame on you.
In other words, go fuck yourself, you sexist pig.
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Both parties are way too much under the influence of extremists. We'll have to wait until the "silent majority" is personally burnt to a crisp by tacitly employing these nut-jobs to fight their battles.
I've got a Hindenburg-load of karma!
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Bring these folks to USA through H1B (Score:2)
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we need H1B to pick fruit at $5/Hr as we can't fin (Score:2)
we need H1B to pick fruit at $5/Hr as we can't find and USC to do that.
Let's hope they're better at manual labor (Score:4, Insightful)
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Can we force Congress to do this? (Score:2)
1% owns 73% wealth in India (Score:2)
1% owns 73% wealth in India https://archive.is/pOmij [archive.is]
UC/BC/SC/ST/MC should become Prime Minister of India on Rotational basis every 5 years https://twitter.com/0x101/stat... [twitter.com]
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The problem is a bit more than classism.
If you are an MBA, or an Engineer that education and those skills are often part of the person habits and abilities. I am Both an MBA and a Software Engineer. When I look at problems and have to do a job, my mind is focused on efficiency, I am not necessarily good at following orders, I want to know the objectives and then I come up with my own method do it. If I feel a job is too hard, I will take time out and come up with a better way for me to do it.
This is ofte
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Never become a manager, because you will stunt the career growth of everyone that has the unfortunate circumstance of having to work for you with that attitude. Good managers enable their employees that actually get educated go grow beyond their "training".
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Your statement is true for professional careers. As well if for non-professional careers you see someone who is being underutilized. You should work to bring them up and promote them further.
However there are a lot of people who are not career minded. They are happy to do a job enough to get paid enough to live. Then spend the rest of their life living.
I am a career person myself, I work to get promoted so I can have harder work to do. I try to collect enough money to get nicer things. However I do sacr
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Your statement is true for professional careers.
As opposed to amateur careers?
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> I am often not given the big picture, so I may be doing harm in the whole process. I may be over producing causing product to rot before they can be sold.
And that's okay - because it's somebody else's responsibility to do that planning and tell you what to do. If you can't trust your coworkers to do their job, then the "big picture" is screwed regardless of what you do.
>The Supervisor over me may see me questioning the orders as a sense of being disobedient or lazy.
And maybe you're not trying to be
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it's somebody else's responsibility to do that planning and tell you what to do
He's just admitted he's not good at following instructions.
I can entirely relate to that. Formal processes are wonderful things, they prevent people from making potentially costly mistakes. I can't follow them. I optimise the fuck out of them, which, if I don't know the underlying reasons for a specific element of the process (e.g. legal requirements) then I can cause much damage.
Even knowing that's the case, I can't help it. I'm programmed to challenge, optimise, improve and get more done with less effort.
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you claim intelligence then seem to indicate it is not possible for you to distinguish between when you should 'give advice' and 'take orders'. Being obedient is not a matter of personality or intelligence , it is a choice of the will. If your recognize that is what you agreed too and are honest and humble enough to recognize you don't have the big picture , then you make a choice and shut up and do what you are told when you are told to do it.
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Labors are not dumb, they are just as smart as anyone else.
Disagree. Not everyone is equally intelligent, so they literally cannot be just as smart as anyone else. A laborer may be intelligent, but they may also be dumb as a stump to the point that it may actually be difficult to find them a role to fill. Then again, a programmer might be an idiot too, and just good enough at memorization to have passed some tests and gotten a degree. More likely they're fairly smart, though, and just not as smart as they think they are.
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But by vedas say the classification should be based on occupation not birth.
In modern world, politicians, military, para military, police etc, would belong to the kshatriya class, or the rulers class. Priests and conductors of rituals and ceremonies would be brahmins. All self employed and business owners would be vysya class. Anyone working for a salary/wages would be a shudra.
We have to split hairs like IRS does to distinguish an independent contractor for Uber (vysya) from a employee of Uber (shudra). Civilian employees of the government is another gray area. Govt service (kshatriya) but not armed for defense or law enforcement, (wage earning shudra). Basically almost all of us, even the C suite suits are shudras, by occupation.
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ok ... that is interesting. So ... should people be treated differently legally or otherwise because they are (vysya,shudra,brahmins etc.)? Why?
Ignorant American here who is actually curious.
Re: Oh noos (Score:2)
Ancient Indian caste system. I am not Indian, but I think it once had spiritual roots: those with self centered physical desires are the laborers, those concerned with the physical desires of others are the shopkeepers, those willing to stand in harms way for the safety of others are the next level up of soldiers/government, and those who seek to transcend desires and raise everyone are the highest level. But it is really just a class system in modern times.
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The proof is in its endurance. If it was totally harmful to the society as a whole the society would have collapsed. The kings changed, different dynasties rose, but by 17th century Vedic society built an economy a
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Some sort of collective bargaining too happened through castes. The caste leaders were the ones who negotiated wages and monopolized labor market in regions. No matter who owns the land, only certain castes will certain jobs in each village/small town. You need to deal with the leader of weaver caste to sell cotton or the leader of funeral worker caste to get bodies c
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well more to the point saying "all or equal at birth" is a uniquely Christian ideal that comes from the Christian bible. Galatians 3:28. It is non-sense from a Darwinian perspective to suggest that people are equal at birth. There are many adaptive characteristics and some characteristics make you better suited to thrive or survive in differing environments. I'm actually interested in this, what does it mean to be an adherent to hindi? How seriously do you need to take what the Vedas say and what do t
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My understanding is that legally they shouldn't be. In reality? Well, apply to Harvard with the same application but on one put the name Smith and on the other put the name Kennedy.
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Thank you for all the rhetorical questions and sarcasm. Congratulations! Your witty insights have solved the pandemic and the economic fallout. You didn't even have to present an original idea! And you didn't make any real assertions, so there's nothing to criticize!
I'm sorry that you disapprove of India's management of the pandemic. Congratulations on taking a story from international news and somehow making it the Democrat's fault! You were able to lambast the Indian government with absolutely zero knowle
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You have somehow forgotten Safari.
Although itâ(TM)s flamebait for the unwashed,
you could solve most of your complaints by using a Mac.
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This country is filled with the same elitism. Laborers are not below average. Nerds are often psychologically deformed people, doing tech at a master level while collecting toys and comic books and handling social relations at an infantile level. They would be far better off spending some time on the farm with a shovel, and coming back with some muscles and a tan, ready to actually use their skills to assist the actual needs of society from a holistic perspective.
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India and China were where much of the population in the world lived until 1700. They produced much of the world's GDP despite somewhat lower per capita income until 1700s.
The Asian population growth then was not any different from European growth. Early on, it was poor everywhere since infant mortality was high despite higher universal rates.
Europe first had the population boom. Asia followed much later.
European boom increased the European footprint greater than the Asian boom did prior to boom era.
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