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Nvidia CEO Trashes AMD's New GPU: 'The Performance Is Lousy' (gizmodo.com) 115

Posted by msmash from the war-of-words-continues dept.
An anonymous reader shares a report: Yesterday, AMD announced a new graphics card, the $700 Radeon VII, based on its second-generation Vega architecture. The GPU is the first one available to consumers based on the 7nm process. Smaller processes tend to be faster and more energy efficient, which means it could theoretically be faster than GPUs with larger processes, like the first generation Vega GPU (14nm) or Nvidia's RTX 20-series (12nm). I say "could," because so far Nvidia's RTX 20-series has been speedy in our benchmarks. From the $1,000+ 2080 Ti down to $350 2060 announced Sunday, support ray tracing. This complex technology allows you to trace a point of light from a source to a surface in a digital environment. What it means in practice is video games with hyperrealistic reflections and shadows.

It's impressive technology, and Nvidia has touted it as the primary reason to upgrade from previous generation GPUs. AMD's GPUs, notably, do not support it. And at a round table Gizmodo attended with Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang he jokingly dismissed AMD's Tuesday announcement, claiming the announcement itself was "underwhelming" and that his company's 2080 would "crush" the Radeon VII in benchmarks. "The performance is lousy," he said of the rival product. When asked to comment about these slights, AMD CEO Lisa Su told a collection of reporters, "I would probably suggest he hasn't seen it." When pressed about his comments, especially his touting of ray tracing she said, "I'm not gonna get into it tit for tat that's just not my style."
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  • Article? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Joviex ( 976416 ) on Thursday January 10, 2019 @01:33PM (#57938384)
    Or is hearsay and copy-paste shit from the internet count as an article link now?

    I knew /. was getting bad, this is a hot garbage example of that.
    • Do you think that /. is not what it used to be anymore? Can you tell me how long you have been using it? Genuinely interested not trying to be snarky!

      • Re:Article? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by tsa ( 15680 ) on Thursday January 10, 2019 @02:10PM (#57938654) Homepage

        It's not what it used to be when Commander Taco was still in place. Back then the tech world was more exciting, with new technologies constantly emerging, and MS the evil villain of the computer scene whom everybody loved to hate. Facebook is an amateur compared to the shenanigans MS pulled back then, and came away with. The articles just were more interesting back then. The /. crowd has changed too. Back then we had really intelligent discussions by smart people in the comments. Nowadays I sometimes think I got lost on a Trump loving, climate chenge denying site paid by the fossil fuel industry. Or there's just a bunch of selfrighteous wankers telling each other how stupid they are. No fun.

        I'm much more on Ars than /. now because Ars has the better articles, more interesting comments and /. often is just a copy of the Ars website with a different layout an less in-depth conversations.

        • Re:Article? (Score:4)

          by rogoshen1 ( 2922505 ) on Thursday January 10, 2019 @02:45PM (#57938938)

          I don't know man; facebook seems to be an evil of several orders of magnitude worse than MS. MS wanted to control the desktop market - through any means necessary -- but they mostly stopped there. They didn't really get into the pervasive surveillance that modern web companies are involved with.

          Basically FB wants to monetize and track every single living person on this planet. That's way worse than anything MS ever did in their heyday.

          • I don't know man; facebook seems to be an evil of several orders of magnitude worse than MS. MS wanted to control the desktop market - through any means necessary -- but they mostly stopped there. They didn't really get into the pervasive surveillance that modern web companies are involved with.

            Basically FB wants to monetize and track every single living person on this planet. That's way worse than anything MS ever did in their heyday.

            Nope, MS is just as bad now with windows 10 and drm, thanks to the rise of smart phones and high speed internet penetration reaching the most stupid among us. Fortnite is just stolen game /w microtransactions, people today are literally paying for skins in a game they don't own whose files and the game disappear at epic games behest.

            Windows 10 and no doubt hardware is going to be locked down like android soon enough thanks to dumbness of the average citizen.

            We're heading towards dystopia all because stupid

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by Jahoda ( 2715225 )
            Basically FB wants to monetize and track every single living person on this planet. That's way worse than anything MS ever did in their heyday.

            I mean, if you had given ballmer this idea back in 2001.....

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Kjella ( 173770 )

          There's plenty happening in the tech world that is still fascinating, if it doesn't seem so you're less impressionable than 20 years ago or just not paying attention. Take a little dive into the story archives [slashdot.org] and you'll see it was a lot of random junk back then too. The difference is that we were young and /. was cool in a nerdy way, I mean "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame." was not only hilariously wrong in retrospect but also pretty juvenile and so were we. In objective terms there was probabl

          • Wish I could mod you insightful because you're absolutely right. The site has changed, yeah... but so have we. And really the site isn't as bad as some of the commenters here are making; it's still my goto when sipping my coffee before my work day starts and gives me a few decent headlines which sometimes I drill into and sometimes don't.

            Yeah, there's a lot of toxic commenters as well, but as a general rule I find that I don't see them all that much. I tend to ignore AC's and don't usually spend more than a

        • Nowadays I sometimes think I got lost on a Trump hating, doomsday climate change apologist site pandering to snowflakes who are desperate to believe they are superior.

          FTFY /. is just a reflection of the Western world, a world which is now extremely divided between "conservatives" and "progressives", between people who base justice on merit and those who base justice on equality, between people who value principles and those who value feelings, between people who believe allowing people to speak is the best

      • When I started reading Slashdot years ago, we didn't have copy-paste. It was just copy and paste.

        • What we had, before the site update at least, was that we could see who replied to our posts directly in the profile. Now it's zip. Nada. Unless I manually click on each post and check it myself. Progress? I don't think so.

    • The link has the author describing the quote as well as the context of it.Yes it could be less than reliable but Gizmodo and the author would be guilty of libel if the NVidia CEO didn't say what they claim he said.

      I don't know anything about the performance of the GPUs but AMD has the advantage in that NVidia released the 2080 first. They certainly can benchmark the 2080 against their unreleased GPU. The NVidia CEO is not likely to know that the AMD GPU is lousy or good.

    • Who cares? It is just two CEOs talking shit about each other's products. What matters is performance on actual realistic benchmarks.

      But it depends on how you use your GPU. Until TensorFlow supports OpenCL, I am stuck with Nvidia.

  • TFS? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by e432776 ( 4495975 ) on Thursday January 10, 2019 @01:36PM (#57938402)
    This summary makes little sense.

  • Waiting for 4K / 60 FPS under $500 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bit trollent ( 824666 ) on Thursday January 10, 2019 @01:36PM (#57938410) Homepage

    I'm not planning on upgrading my video card until I can get 4K video running at 60 FPS for new games. Neither nVidia nor AMD can pull that off, with nVidia coming the closes in its video cards priced above $1000.

    Maybe the next video card generation...

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Kjella ( 173770 )

      Waiting for 4K / 60 FPS [@ Ultra] under $500

      Fixed that for you. Most games now come with four-ish graphics settings:

      Ultra: To punish your GPU
      High: Ultra minus the FPS-killers
      Medium: Best you get looking decent
      Low: Just make it run somehow

      The biggest performance killer was texture memory, like if you ran out performance grind to a halt and 4K typically takes 3-4 GB but with cards having 6GB+ RAM you can usually do okay just dropping the settings. I generally try at least medium before I drop to 1440p, of course my 1080 Ti is a bit out of your $500 bud

    • This might never happen because over time games studios start utilizing heavier shaders, better particle system, real time ray tracing/global illumination, better world destructibility, etc. etc. etc.

      Also, you could probably buy a second hand 1080Ti for $500 if you look hard enough and this GPU is sufficient for 4K@60fps in most games.

    • Intel is the dominant CPU maker but GPUs are increasing the market sectors they are irreplacable in. First Gaming, now AI, and soon drone and embedded vision systems, and soon servers will use them for many mundane things like flight schedule planning. Once they break into tablets then We'll see some applications we havent thought about yet. TVs also need them evidently though some say they are better off without the smoothing.

      Nvida doesn't make decent CPUs and Intel doesn't make decent GPUs. AMD makes

    • I'm not planning on upgrading my video card until I can get 4K video running at 60 FPS for new games.

      So you're talking value. That rather lets Nvidia out.

    • I'm not planning on upgrading my video card until I can get 4K video running at 60 FPS for new games.

      I hope you NEVER get what you want. Last time it was possible to use a common high resolution at 60FPS on brand new games it's because the consoles effectively ended the concept of pushing technological boundaries.

      No thanks. I don't want a new game to every run like that on modern hardware. I want new games to push the boundaries on realism while taxing hardware to the extreme.

  • So no article to read, or link to
    No benchmark
    Summary can't decide if Radeon VII is 7nm or not. At the least not from first glance
    WTF anon

  • When the competition bashes your products, you know they are scared. AMD has a winner GPU.

    • I like AMD. I support them being competitive. But their new card sucks. They should have went with cheaper memory and getting ray tracing. I'm sure they will get those out in the future but this is just a "well, we needed something to show" card.

  • wtf? (Score:2)

    by pegr ( 46683 )

    "Yesterday, AMD announced a new graphics card, the $700 Radeon VII, based on its second-generation Vega architecture. The GPU is the first one available to consumers based on the 7nm process. It's impressive technology, and Nvidia has touted it as the primary reason to upgrade from previous generation GPUs. AMD's GPUs, notably, do not support it."

    So AMD made a GPU that NVIDIA thinks is the primary reason to upgrade, yet AMD doesn't support it. DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY READ WHAT THEY APPROVE TO BE POSTED?

  • The GPU is the first one available to consumers based on the 7nm process. It's impressive technology, and Nvidia has touted it as the primary reason to upgrade from previous generation GPUs. AMD's GPUs, notably, do not support it.

    This makes no sense until you realize later in the summary that they're talking about ray tracing, not 7nm manufacturing

  • Also cost half as much as the nvidia "flag ship". (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 10, 2019 @01:43PM (#57938466)

    "Their 700USD product is SHIT compared to our twice as expensive product!" - nVidia PR dude.

    • "Their 700USD product is SHIT compared to our twice as expensive product!" - nVidia PR dude.

      They literally compared a $700USD product to the RTX 2080 ... which has an RRP of $700USD.

      I'm more inclined to question their game. I'm sure Nvidia will be doing Intel style benchmarking here.

  • Author needs "help."

  • Nvidia CEO Trash Talks AMD's New GPU (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Thursday January 10, 2019 @01:51PM (#57938520)

    Ask a CEO of a public company about a corporate competitor and they are going to trash talk them without any substance.

    Even TFA opens with this admission:

    Yesterday I spent two hours listening to the CEOs of rival companies talk trash about each other.

    And they ask for details about his trash talk it all fizzled out.

    When pressed about his comments, especially his touting of ray tracing she said, “I’m not gonna get into it tit for tat that’s just not my style.”

    This is the kind of crap you would read in a Hollywood gossip rag with a twist.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      The twist is, it's a Hollywood gossip rag for geeks!

      At least this particular story is not characteristic of a political gossip rag. Slashdot has become just a forum for idiots yelling at each other, but idiots yelling at each other about video cards is at least something you can't normally find on mainstream media websites.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Falos ( 2905315 )

      Naturally, website "journalism" likes to try and cause drama for more clicks; they'll deliberately incite escalation, try to be inflammatory. Places that are a few bare notches above Blog Aggregator. Scrolling up, I see this is a gizmodo piece, and stand by what I said.

      The most newsworthy occurrence here is that they didn't bite, sending "editors" home in disappointment. Yet with deadlines to meet, to be stuffed with pseudodrama.

  • These guys are family... (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Seems like just a publicity thing...Jensen is Lisa's uncle after all...

  • I have installed NVidia binary drivers in quite a few different Linux systems, for the most part without any problems. I have been to install AMD binary drivers successfully in a Linux system exactly once, out of many attempts. I have no allegiance whatsoever to either company, but that is my experience.

  • To think, AMD's competitor would suggest that his own product is better than AMD'd product.

    I mean, before this, who would have ever thought of doing that?

    • How would NVidia know that their competitor's unreleased product is better or worse? They can't know.

    • Huang Is Playing With Fire (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I think the ground that Huang is on is shaky here.

      I mean, if his point is that Vega has been, and continues to be underwhelming, OK, yeah. True enough.
      OTOH he needs to be careful. The Nvidia RTX 20-series itself can be seen as underwhelming. I think the ray tracing support is cool and I've advocated mainstream support of RT for years. But really now, this is an alpha or beta-level capability, a true first generation product. Real world software support is vanishingly thin and will take years to build.

      O

  • https://babeltechreviews.com/n... [babeltechreviews.com] Thankgivings must be interesting for their family.

  • I think they should settle the issue with a good old-fashioned wrestling cage match. Donald Trump and Nancy Pelosi could be the warm-up act, and the main event could be Lisa Su vs Jensen Huang. I know the girls are smaller than the guys, but I think the gals are fiercer. All in all, the card looks pretty even. A good time would be had by all, and we could pay down the national debit a little by the vigorish from the parimutuel betting pool.

  • Forget Intel/AMD/NVIDIA (Score:3)

    by DMJC ( 682799 ) on Thursday January 10, 2019 @03:21PM (#57939198)
    When can I get a P1 166Mhz on a laptop motherboard with a Voodoo 2, Realtek 8129 LAN port and Soundblaster 16 Audio. That's all I want. Give me a nice 13" DOS/Win98SE gaming laptop for under $500 AUD.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The Vortex86DX and Vortex86MX was interesting, the latter with simple 2D graphics (VESA compatible) built-in, 1GHz (but the slowest 1GHz x86 around), L2 cache, 512MB DDR2, 100Mb ethernet, USB 2.0 and sound on an external (to the chip) Realtek DAC, internal SD for storage. All under 2 watts! A laptop with 9" 1024x600 was made with it, and a cheap computer-in-keyboard. This ran DOS or debian (i486) out of the box. If a DOS sound driver had been made this would have made for a good DOS gaming machine (Win 9x d

  • For the last 12 years I've been a diehard ATI/AMD fan. There products have always been "good enough" and far cheaper than Nvidia. I just purchased the Nvidia 1080ti, because "ray-tracing" is garbage and the new 2070+ lines are way too expensive. None of the new features are really that ground breaking or likely to be widely necessary before these new cards will be obsolete. The only good thing about Nvidia's new line is that they caused the 1080ti card pricing to plummet and now I can have near top-of-t

  • "I'm not gonna get into it tit for tat that's just not my style."

    Lisa Su being the bigger man. Bigger woman? Whatever.

    • It means she either wasn't up-to-date on the ray-tracing tech situation, or was instructed not to engage in a long discussion about it.

      If you were careful, you could probably get Jensen to admit, that their way of doing ray-tracing ends up degrading visual quality for gamers.

  • I was told (by people that I trust in that area) that Nvidia's cards are an expensive flop because they support ray-tracing which is slow, not used by any games, and doesn't look much better unless you look very closely, and which nobody wants, while all other performance aspects haven't improved.

    • I love global illumination and object space reflection vs the usual hacks. But with only one or two rays per pixel the hardware just isn't ready for it, even at 1080p never mind 4K. To make matters worse, the games supporting it will be shooters, that just isn't going to fly. Maybe the next Elder Scrolls game, when is that?

      Ray tracing is going to overtake scanline rendering at some point because constant cost per screen pixel, but screen pixels have increased so much lately that ray tracing is only marginal

  • It's clear why Nvidia is such a disgusting company. Rotten head, rotten snake.

  • amd wins (Score:2)

    by sad_ ( 7868 )

    1. better OSS partner then nvidia
    2. card is cheaper then nvidia
    3. has no raytracing, but the tech is new and doesn't work properly for games at this point anyway, AMD card will get it when it's more 'mature'.
    4. performance might be a bit worse, but probably not too much, which is OK for me.

    give me some good arguments why i should pick nvidia above amd again?

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