Intel To Invest $25 Billion in Israel After Winning Incentives (bloomberg.com) 150
Intel confirmed it will invest a total of $25 billion in Israel after securing $3.2 billion in incentives from the country's government. From a report: The outlay, announced by the Israeli government in June and unconfirmed by Intel until now, will go toward an expansion of the company's wafer fabrication site in Kiryat Gat, south of Tel Aviv. The incentives amount to 12.8% of Intel's planned investment.
"The expansion plan for the Kiryat Gat site is an important part of Intel's efforts to foster a more resilient global supply chain, alongside the company's ongoing and planned manufacturing investments in Europe and the US," Intel said in a statement Tuesday. Intel is among chipmakers diversifying manufacturing outside of Asia, which dominates chip production. The semiconductor pioneer is trying to restore its technological heft after being overtaken by rivals including Nvidia and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.
"The expansion plan for the Kiryat Gat site is an important part of Intel's efforts to foster a more resilient global supply chain, alongside the company's ongoing and planned manufacturing investments in Europe and the US," Intel said in a statement Tuesday. Intel is among chipmakers diversifying manufacturing outside of Asia, which dominates chip production. The semiconductor pioneer is trying to restore its technological heft after being overtaken by rivals including Nvidia and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.
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What could go wrong? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re: What could go wrong? (Score:4, Insightful)
Compare to alternatives, not to perfection.
The alternative in question (Taiwan, South Korea, etc) is also a potential hotzone. Except the likely aggressor has much more to bring to the party.
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The alternative in question (Taiwan, South Korea, etc) is also a potential hotzone. Except the likely aggressor has much more to bring to the party.
Add to these Arizona, which Intel and TSMC both thought of as a safe zone. Now it is being invaded by swarms of refugees from Allah-knows-where.
Re: What could go wrong? (Score:5, Insightful)
North Korea doesn't give a flying fuck about its own people. Nor does Hamas. This makes them both dangerous, except North Korea has nuclear warheads and ballistic missiles. They're capable of making a much bigger mess in South Korea than Hamas is in Israel.
As for your point about radicalization? Idunno. The Palestinians voted in Hamas about 15 years ago, after the mess of the second intifada ("here, Junior, wear this backback and go ride the bus!") 20 yeats ago.
How much more radicalized and violent are you going to get if that's the baseline?
If it were me in charge over there 50+ years ago, I would have expelled them all and let my grandchildren debate the morality of it without having to keep an ear open for the air raid siren at all times, instead of pretending that half-assed conquest could magically lead to peaceful coexistence (when in history has that *ever* happened?).
But then they don't put me in charge of these things, do they?
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North Korea doesn't give a flying fuck about its own people. Nor does Hamas. This makes them both dangerous, except North Korea has nuclear warheads and ballistic missiles. They're capable of making a much bigger mess in South Korea than Hamas is in Israel.
Once again, if they cant even feed their own people how are they going to start a war? Wars cost epic amounts of money.
Furthermore, again as I've already stated, Hamas has a long and very well established history of aggression towards Israel that is unlikely to change. North Korea does not have this.
How much more radicalized and violent are you going to get if that's the baseline?
Why on earth would they need to become more radicalized to be a threat? They're clearly a pretty big threat at their current level of radicalization.
Re: What could go wrong? (Score:5, Informative)
Once again, if they cant even feed their own people how are they going to start a war? Wars cost epic amounts of money.
When has "being able to feed your own people" ever, in human history, been a prerequisite for starting a war?
Also, Hamas wasn't doing so great on that front, even before the current flare-up. Most residents of the Gaza strip are desperately poor. (On top of being poor, they were paying high taxes to Hamas-- taxes are a significant part of their funding).
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When has "being able to feed your own people" ever, in human history, been a prerequisite for starting a war?
Wars cost money. Not being able to feed ones own people is a pretty clear example of lack of money.
Also, Hamas wasn't doing so great on that front, even before the current flare-up. Most residents of the Gaza strip are desperately poor. (On top of being poor, they were paying high taxes to Hamas-- taxes are a significant part of their funding).
The Palestinians were most definitely not starving prior to this conflict. That only started when Israel stopped letting food in.
You're also glossing over my other point that I've brought up in this thread that North Korea has no modern history of aggression since the Korean war. Hamas has an incredibly large one.
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They are firing nuclear-capable ICBMs every few months, so I disagree. They have kidnapped Japanese citizens to plan aggression against Japan. Also look up "The Korean Axe Murder Incident" online.
I take your point that they are different than Hamas, though. But they are not non-aggressive.
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Wars cost money. Not being able to feed ones own people is a pretty clear example of lack of money.
Lack of money where? There are plenty of governments with huge military capabilities where the population are starving. Not being able to eat is not an example of lack of money, it's an example of lack of priorities.
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Wars cost money. Not being able to feed ones own people is a pretty clear example of lack of money.
Not being able to feed your own people is more likely to start a war than prevent one.
Hungry? See those people, go take their food.
Throwing away you men into a war also means proportionally more food for everyone else.
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The Palestinians were most definitely not starving prior to this conflict. That only started when Israel stopped letting food in.
Before the latest hostilities, more than half of Gaza's population faced food insecurity, and 80% were dependent on aid. As I said, they were desperately poor. Certainly, it's gotten much worse since the Israelis stopped letting food in-- no argument there.
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Israel is the reason that Gazans are poor. Gaza was an open air prison.
I can't blame any Palestinian for joining Hamas and attacking Israel. When you look at what Israel has done to them, the fact that most of them have lost multiple family members to the IDF and Israeli settler terrorists, and the reality that they have no future except slowly losing more and more of what little they have as Israel annexes and steals it...
It's not terrorism, it's fighting for their freedom and their very existence.
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Polling before the war suggested that most Palestinians would be happy with a two state solution, but Netanyahu has been working hard to keep that off the table.
Really though, should Israel exist? It's an apartheid state, where citizenship is available based on ethnicity. They have demonstrated that they aren't willing to live along side the Palestinians, with constant terror attacks from settlers, mass detention without trial, and turning Gaza into an open air prison. They have been illegally occupying Pal
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And that's unfortunately not going to happen as long as US support continues in its current form.
What's the solution? There probably isn't one. The death and destruction will continue for the foreseeable future. There are no US politicians with any real power who will stand up to Israel.
And that's what it would take, an actual US military threat, a no-fly zone over Israel, and a forced withdrawal of Israel back to the green line borders for a two state solution. Or for a one-state solution Israel would
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the state of Israel can't continue to exist in its current form. There is no way back from genocide and ethnic cleansing, the government has to go to jail for war crimes, and a new constitution put in place that makes a repeat of the atrocities impossible.
Well in the first place, Israel doesn't have a constitution. In the second place, it's hard to imagine that you could prevent war crimes by declaring "We're not going to do war crimes" in the constitution.
I agree with those who say that Israel has committed a lot of war crimes over the years (I also agree with those who say that the US has committed a lot of war crimes, although we tend to be less obvious about it). Hamas has also committed a lot of war crimes, of course. An interesting cultural differen
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Interestingly, Israel is barely bothering to deny the war crimes now. They can't seem to stop their guys posting the evidence on social media, so they are just leaning into it.
Hopefully those Zionists who went to Israel to commit war crimes will be prosecuted if they ever try to return to Europe. It's actually illegal to go abroad to fight in a war that the UK isn't involved in, and other countries have similar laws.
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Israel had pulled out of Gaza and the West Bank, including bulldozing Israeli settlements. Everything Israel has done, since its inception, has been in response to attacks from people who want to exterminate the Jews. That is the sole item on Hamas' agenda, as it has always been.
The "Palestinians" could be doing far better than they are. It is not because of Israel that they are not, is because the people in charge are not interested in anything except
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Which doesn't seem to be an issue for North Korea. In fact, they just sent one million shells (artillery and mortar) to Russia. Unfortunately for the Russians, but fortunately for the Ukrainians, those shells appear to be of inferior quality and are exploding in the tubes [businessinsider.com], destroying the equipment and killing the troops.
When you're dealing with dictators, lives don't matter. Wi
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They're inferior quality because they're super old. North Korea cant afford to make new ones which furthers my point that they dont have the money to wage war.
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There are some published analyses of these missiles, and their manufacture is astonishingly poor. There are some fascinating analyses. The video below shows images of how badly the propellant is packed, and describes the resulting failure modes.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts... [youtube.com]
Re: What could go wrong? (Score:3)
They're clearly a pretty big threat at their current level of radicalization.
I agree. And I don't think there are particularly palatable ways out of it, just degrees of distasteful weighed against the cold mercenary calculation of likely effectiveness.
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Why is everyone obsessed with one of my two points and pretend the other doesnt exist? North Korea also has no history of major violence since the Korean war. The same is absolutly not true for Hamas.
Re: What could go wrong? (Score:4, Interesting)
Kim's nuclear arsenal is the main thing keeping the Korean situation stable. That's the sole purpose of him developing the weapons. Deterrence is the sole reason anyone develops nukes, after their first invention.
If you want a less theoretical comparison of the regions' stability, the timelines make it very easy to make. The expulsion of Muslims from Palestine began at roughly the same time the Korean War armistice was signed. Over the 70-80 years since, Korea hasn't flared up much beyond a stray bullet. Israel has gone to full-scale war multiple times, against actual armies (Egypt, Lebanon) in addition to the Hamas and Hezbollah guys in trucks.
Cold war is much more stable than hot war, if you have to pick one.
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Israel has nukes as well (they dont confirm or deny but suspected to have nukes by the rest of the world).
Doesn't mean that Middle East is more stable. Maybe it will get more stable after Iran gets it's own nukes as well. /s for those who don't get it.
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Hitler tried to do this and for some reason people think it's a bad thing.
Also, you're forgetting that there are two states, but on the night before of the offici
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I think we humans should collectively acknowledge the land entitlement of the people that came before us.
The Neaderthal tribes and the genocide us Homo's did to them may be forgiven but it must not be forgotten. We can all agree that Homo's are living in sin to this day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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If it were me in charge over there 50+ years ago, I would have expelled them all and let my grandchildren debate the morality of it without having to keep an ear open for the air raid siren at all times, instead of pretending that half-assed conquest could magically lead to peaceful coexistence (when in history has that *ever* happened?).
World War 2? The American Civil War? The English Civil War?
Generally speaking, when you win a war, the terms of surrender do not include "Everybody on the losing side has to pack up their things and relocate to Timbuktu".
Re: What could go wrong? (Score:3)
I don't recall a conquest of Germany or Japan. Or of the South by the North. I do know that the Soviets flat out expelled ethnic Germans from what is now Poland and Western Ukraine, and then Czechoslovakia and Hungary and wherever else there were ethnic Germans that wasn't inside the bounds of East/West Germany.
The English civil war (and the American civil war for that matter) was an internal conflict. Not one civilization versus another (as delineated by ethnic, linguistic, or religious boundaries). If we
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Yes, ethnic Germans were kicked out of various regions of Europe after WW2, but there is a rather obvious difference: The Germans had a homeland to return to. (Actually, two different ones). They weren't simply handed a suitcase, pointed at the border, and told to start walking.
The idea of simply telling Palestinians to "go away" is a non-starter, because there is nowhere for them to go. (Also, unlike most of the Germans in your example, they have been living in the Palestinian territories for many gener
Re: What could go wrong? (Score:3)
"The Palestinians voted in Hamas about 15 years ago"
Except they didn't really, and elections since have been even more shamtastic.
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It was 18 years ago, meaning half the population of Gaza hadn't even been born at the time. And even back then, Hamas only got 38% ify the vote, and stood on a moderate platform.
Re: What could go wrong? (Score:2)
Iran (Hamas) is also working on acquiring nuclear weapons and according to some may already have them.
Making a nuclear weapon isnâ(TM)t especially hard, delivering it to your enemies without retaliation is harder which is where North Korea and co are having troubles, reaching beyond neighboring Japan has been problematic for the Kim family and the fact they have no tech or army to follow up a potential strike is the biggest issue. Iran has the army for its potential neighbors but neither the tech nor t
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Multiple ayatollahs in Iran have issued fatwas against WMD in general and nuclear weapons in particular. They want to break into the very lucrative business of providing nuclear power plant fuel, IIRC uranium is their second-most valuable natural resource (which is why the neo-cons in the US have been drooling over the possibility of war in Iran for decades).
Delivery of nuclear weapons is easy, just put it in a cargo container and address it to the nearest Walmart distribution center to your target. Fewer
Re: What could go wrong? (Score:4, Insightful)
North Korea doesn't give a flying fuck about its own people. Nor does Hamas. This makes them both dangerous, except North Korea has nuclear warheads and ballistic missiles. They're capable of making a much bigger mess in South Korea than Hamas is in Israel.
As for your point about radicalization? Idunno. The Palestinians voted in Hamas about 15 years ago, after the mess of the second intifada ("here, Junior, wear this backback and go ride the bus!") 20 yeats ago.
How much more radicalized and violent are you going to get if that's the baseline?
Well remember that part of the reason to hand over Gaza was to split the Palestinians, and Netanyahu made sure to keep Hamas in power by letting Qatar bring in literal suitcases of money [cnn.com].
The entire policy of Netanyahu (and thus Israel) for the past 15 years has been to keep Hamas in power and radicalized so he can say the Palestinians aren't united and he has no partner for peace.
If it were me in charge over there 50+ years ago, I would have expelled them all and let my grandchildren debate the morality of it without having to keep an ear open for the air raid siren at all times, instead of pretending that half-assed conquest could magically lead to peaceful coexistence (when in history has that *ever* happened?).
But then they don't put me in charge of these things, do they?
No, but I think you and Netanyahu are on the same page so on this aspect you really are in charge.
At this point the plan is pretty clearly to keep expanding Settlements and expelling Palestinians until they annex the entire West Bank, at which point they just wait a few generations for things to cool down. The only thing from stopping them from doing it in one go is the risk of blow back and fact you don't actually have anywhere to put all those expelled Palestinians. You can't actually force neighbouring Arab countries to take them and if you make them Israeli it defeats the entire purpose.
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Not entirely a bad defense for either side - both are shit (and yeah, I for the most part work for an Israeli company and have a lot of Muslim friends, so...yeah)
The real problem is neither Israel or any militant faction of Palestine will give up any control of the old city. 100% or you die. That is the terms. Put 2 year old kids in a room with chainsaws, grenade launchers, machine guns and laser swords and their favorite toy in the middle and say "share fairly" and see what happens.
If you have a solution,
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Sadly, I GET Netanyahu's stance. Hamas's purpose, first and foremost, is to destroy Israel by any means possible. That is apparently following Islam, at least certain Imams to the letter. You want peace, Israelis? Kill yourself. That is the only option.
Well technically, I think they'd be fine expelling Jews from Israel. But Hamas and Netanyahu agree that they don't want a 2-state solution.
Hamas is playing the "we are oppressed" bullshit card, and they are the ones stealing food from the oppressed.
The whole settlement thing is so biased - the Israelis think they own it, the war the Palestinians lost to take all control says they don't, international law says it is Palestinian... I honestly say share the damned land, have a neutral broker. I'm not a fan of "occupied territories" after 50+ years either, especially with long term peace.
You need to see the narrative from the Palestinian/Arab side. It was their land for hundreds of years with a minuscule Jewish population until Western governments started settling Jews there. Suddenly a bunch of foreigners are settling in your territory and a few decades Western powers handed those foreigners a huge chunk of land. It's hard to imagine many groups that wo
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To expound on the radicalization angle. Palestinians didn't wake up in 2007 and decide it was a good time to vote for Hamas. For the previous sixty years, they had voted for the PLO, making fruitless appeals to the "international community", Jewish/Muslim/Christian leaders, the "political process", and every other avenue and authority you can name.
None of it stopped the ethnic cleansing. When facing death, I expect an individual to resort to drastic measures. I expect a collection of individuals to do the s
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Sure, North Korea is potentially very scary if they do what they havent done in well over a half century of tensions. The thing is that Hamas is not just "potential", they are real life scary.
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A hot conflict zone with no foreseeable stabilization. Interesting diversification. Tech talent aside.
If they built it in a Settlement that would be lunacy, but this is in territory that Israel took after the 1948 war, that's Israel for good at this point.
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A hot conflict zone with no foreseeable stabilization. Interesting diversification. Tech talent aside.
yeah. Ignoring the one reason to do something does make it seem like a bad idea.
That said, this is probably not a good time to invest in an expansion in Israel.
On the other hand... I recall about 20 years ago being on the phone with a co-worker in Israel who was just blithely working away while the city was being shelled. He had to pause and repeat himself occasionally when a shell exploded nearby and made it hard to hear him, but it was just part of life to him..
To us outsiders, this war is a big new thi
Will israel always be protected by the US? (Score:2, Interesting)
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Being the bad man in the shadows opens space for the rest of the western world to operate with the nutbags in charge in IRAN.
You mean the country which was on its way to a secular and also anticapitalist revolution when we interfered with their politics to protect oil interests in the region?
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Re: Will israel always be protected by the US? (Score:2)
Why have alliances at all?
That's a serious question. Because what you said is just as true of many of our military alliances, NATO especially.
Presumably the cost of subsidizing other people's defense in the service of deterrence and favorable trade conditions is outweighed by the potential costs of dealing with the fallout should those countries be overrun by hostile actors.
That's not an argument for growing the empire for the sake of growing the empire, but it is an argument for holding the line and not te
Re: Will israel always be protected by the US? (Score:5, Informative)
Because what you said is just as true of many of our military alliances, NATO especially.
Not true. For instance, when we were attacked on 9/11 NATO went to war for us. Israel did not.
Re: Will israel always be protected by the US? (Score:2)
NATO did not go to war *for* us, they went to war *with* us. And it was us doing much of the heavy lifting.
By the same standard, while Israel has never gone to war for or with us, we have never gone to war with or for Israel. Just money and equipment flowing back and forth.
Re: Will israel always be protected by the US? (Score:4, Interesting)
NATO did not go to war *for* us, they went to war *with* us. And it was us doing much of the heavy lifting.
"With" doesnt make sense as we're a member of NATO.
By the same standard, while Israel has never gone to war for or with us, we have never gone to war with or for Israel. Just money and equipment flowing back and forth.
"Back and forth"? How much money has Israel given us again?
The point here is that we do actually get something real and tangible out of NATO unlike our relationship with Israel, the Afghan war illustrates that well. Israel is just a huge liability for us, for all the money we send them they dont even back our plays in places like Ukraine.
Re: Will israel always be protected by the US? (Score:2)
I'm going *with* you to the meeting = we go together.
I'm going *for* you to the meeting = I go and you don't.
I'm going *against* you at the meeting = we both go but not as allies.
Yes the English language is messy thing, but it's the best we've got.
Our play in Ukraine is a half-assed catastrophe. While it would have been a sound strategy to methodically bring a prized piece of the former Soviet Empire firmly into our orbit, it seems that few in the upper echelons of any of the best half-dozen or so administr
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Our play in Ukraine is a half-assed catastrophe. While it would have been a sound strategy to methodically bring a prized piece of the former Soviet Empire firmly into our orbit, it seems that few in the upper echelons of any of the best half-dozen or so administrations actually articulated this goal in plain language to itself. Hence the haphazard nonsense that has cost perhaps 10x or 20x or more in catchup in Ukraine than we pay to Israel (about 2bn/year, on average I think).
Regardless of your opinion on what we're doing in Ukraine Israel has failed to back us even in that context. We lavish them with money and military tech and all we get in return is the ill will of the entire Muslim world as our "reward".
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In addition to technology, weapon storage, support, trade, and countless other benefits the US gains from the relationship with Israel, the US also gains immense say in Israel's actions and an ally with shared morals. If you feel you do not share morals with Israel, then realize that you share morals with Hamas, Iran, and ISIS.
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If you feel you do not share morals with Israel, then realize that you share morals with Hamas, Iran, and ISIS.
Hahaha, what? What a bizarrely childish outlook on life you must have.
One can be of the opinion that BOTH Israel and the groups you list are run by shitty immoral people. Not every war has a "good guys" side.
Re: Will israel always be protected by the US? (Score:2)
[quote]Not every war has a "good guys" side.[/quote]
That's when the UN goes in and disarms both parties. Oh wait, U.S. veto's any and all foreign action in Palestine/Israel. Except when it's the U.S. doing unilateral and unconditional funding of one side of the conflict.
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Not very good weapons storage at that, every time Israel uses up a bunch of ammo during one of its periodic orgasms of violence they just reload (at no charge) from our ammo dumps. Unless Mossad has remarkably good blackmail on a huge number of powerful people the stupidity of continuing to support Israel has made no sense to me.
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Re: Will israel always be protected by the US? (Score:2)
We give them a few billion a year in cash, of which a good chunk is spent on American manufactured weapons. You make it sound like they're draining our treasury. The free stuff the Democrats like to give away does that well enough on its own.
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You make it sound like they're draining our treasury.
No I'm not. All I've ever been saying is that we get nothing for the very large sums we give them and that's true.
Gong forward it would be nice of you to not make up absurd stances and claim they are mine.
The free stuff the Democrats like to give away does that well enough on its own.
Yes, spending American tax dollars and debt spending on Americans rather than giving it to a country who by supporting we alienate about a quarter of the world's population (going by Muslim population numbers) is just terrible isnt it?
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You know, the wonderful thing about America is that it's on the opposite side of the planet from much of the old world bullshit that still weighs down the human race with petty grievances of tribe and land.
I don't really care what they think of us in the part of the world where honor killings are a thing, literacy is optional, and the slightest bit of nonconformity (religion, sex, etc) can be a capital offense.
To the extent we have to have any involvement in these places, better to deal with people whose MO
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So things like 9/11 or OPEC aligning with Russia are total non issues for you?
Like it or not we all live on the same planet.
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Be real. They'll find another excuse to hate our guts. The extortion would continue.
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So your position is that to prevent another genocide we need to assist with a genocide? I'm sorry, but what??
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Not a position... just a history lesson. An answer to a question of "Why..."
History happened. It caused the present to happen. What happens in the future is to be determined.
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bring a prized piece of the former Soviet Empire firmly into our orbit,
No matter what happens from this war (unless Ukraine ends up fully annexed, unlikely as that is) they are already in our sphere. They'll be in the EU soon and after that is NATO at some point once their territory has been secure for a few years. Same as Poland, Romania, Croatia, Estonia, etc.
And much like Ukraine once Israel "went to war" the funding from the US increased in kind, as one would expect.
Also not every dollar we give to Ukraine is just cash. Quite a lot of that number is actually military m
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Israel has provided amongst other things the Star Wars system which wouldâ(TM)ve blown any Soviet ICBM out of the sky during the Cold War and one of the reasons it never became a Hot War. Without them the US wouldâ(TM)ve never developed microchip technology that went to space. The granddaddy of modern PC, the 8088 was developed by Intel with funding from the Israeli government. TDM, VoIP, firewalls, facial recognition, GPS on cell phones.
Israel very strong support of a laissez faire capitalism in
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Well into the Shrub Madministration the only way the Star Wars interceptors could get to 30% hit rate was when they put transponders **IN THE TARGET MISSILE**. Somehow I rather doubt that either the Soviets or the Russians ever agreed to do that, it was nothing but a gigantic money sink for 30 years. Maybe you're thinking of Israel's 'Iron Dome' system, which was based on stolen Patriot anti-missile tech and even after two decades of improvements still has a fairly high miss rate.
No, the Israelis didn't i
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By the same standard, while Israel has never gone to war for or with us, we have never gone to war with or for Israel. Just money and equipment flowing back and forth.
Don't know what you call a couple of American carrier groups hanging around the area and shooting down any misslies / drones coming towards Israel.
Maybe a it's an American "special military operation"? Why does that phrase sound familiar to me .......
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if we let them defend their own colonial, ethnic-cleansing asses against the millions of enemies they have created
As the lefties like to remind anyone within earshot, America is also a colonial ethnic cleansing something or other.
In for a penny, in for a pound.
If Israel is not worthy of existence because of how it came into being, then neither is America. And that's just not a tenable position. Morality and charity to one's enemy is a luxury once survival has been secured. And survival is always a bad decision or two from being pissed away in the name of good intentions.
America must endure, therefore Israel must endure
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We shouldn't be rooting for chaos to consume those places. But we shouldn't be propping them up either. Not least because their leadership doesn't think the way we do about the relationship between the state and its citizens. Israel comes quite a bit closer than any of that bunch.
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And yet both Israel and by extension ourselves are still loathed throughout the Muslim world.
Terrorists in this part of the world dont care about treaties signed by their country's dictators.
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This is a problem the majority of people with âoesolutionsâ tend to forget: most people do not have a western viewpoint on these things.
For certain sects of Muslims it is perfectly reasonable to sacrifice your children as this life is not considered the real one. Trying to reason or have a treaty with someone who doesnâ(TM)t even accept the premise that your (or their) existence is worthy is ludicrous. In those situations, tit for tat is one of the best solutions according to game theory.
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This chip fab will be obsolete well before 50 years, so what happens that far out doesn't concern Intel.
Round and round the money goes... (Score:3)
"Intel confirmed it will invest a total of $25 billion in Israel after securing $3.2 billion in incentives from the country's government".
So who is giving whose money to whom? Who benefits?
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Israel is giving American taxpayers' money which we gave them to keep down Islamic people in neighboring nations to Intel in order to convince them to build more equipment in Israel that will benefit both Israel, and Intel's shareholders, and also encourage America to send them more money to protect Intel's investment.
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Intel is on the boycott list now. Starbucks has taken quite a hit from being on it.
There has to be a cost to doing business with Israel. It worked against apartheid era South Africa.
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The question is whether people will keep it up when the last resident of Palestine has been bombed to death, or if they will treat it as a done deal and move on like they have with Native American massacres, no fucks given. I mean the Wikipedia article on the US 1st Cavalry starts with saying they are a "decorated unit" but never gets around to discussion of the Bloody Island massacre, where the ORIGINAL 1st cavalry stood on the shore and fired their weapons until every Pomo on the Island was dead except on
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They are saying the war will go time, and they're if still the West Bank to ethnically cleanse. This is far from over.
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I've tried several times now, but I just can't translate that comment into English.
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Fair comment. I was trying to say that Israel is saying the war will continue for a long time, and they still have to genocide the West Bank to achieve their goals. There is plenty of time to boycott them.
Re: Round and round the money goes... (Score:2)
They would have been wiped out in a hot second without our involvement and interventions. They received our intelligence, equipment, training and funding. I.e. they didn't build that.
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It is a race to the bottom. Read up on Intel's "deal" with Costa Rica and how it turned out for them.
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Hooray! (Score:3)
Yay, genocide! (Score:2, Insightful)
Let's keep sending the genocidal Israelis all of our money! What could possibly go wrong? It's not like the entire region wants to wipe them (and Intel's investment) off the map or anything.
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I don't understand why your post is scored -1 and labelled as Troll.
While in fact, it exposes truth.
Israel has a genocidal government
They are bombing civilians, killing babies, journalists, doctors, etc, against every international laws
They kill by the tens of thousands
And they explicitly stated their goal : erase the Palestinians from the surface of the country
And the US are sen
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Do you really think that bombing civilians, hospitals, secourists (medics ? Remember I'm French) has something to do with retaliating against Hamas ?
What do you think of IDF snipers killing two Christian women in their church ? Were they working for the Hamas ?
Did you see this video of benjamin netanyahu, in 2019 I think, in which he explicitly declares funding the Hamas because it's the only way to avoid a two states solu
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Both actions are war crimes.
Israel goes to great lengths to warn civilians of impending attacks so that they are not harmed.
Israel pulled out of Palestinian lands over a decade ago. They bulldozed Israeli settlements in those lands. There are two entirely separate and
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There are so many lies and stupidity in your post, I'm very sad for you
If you are from USA or UK, at least, do you agree that your tax $ or £ are sent to Israel, in cash or weapons of mass destruction, including the forbidden white phosphorus, to kill babies, children, families by the dozens ?
I thought parallel universes were limited to science fiction and very hypothetical science. But you are the proof that it exist, at least i
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There are millions of Arab citizens in Israel, and they have full rights of citizenship including voting. Were Israel an "apartheid" state, this would not be the case as it is the definition of apartheid. Nor would it be the case if Israel were interested in perpetrating a genocide against the Arabs, as they would instead be dead.
That's logic. The words you used have definitions contrary to the existing conditions, thu
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I'll stop there, I would write awful words if not.
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I am critical. When I encounter bad arguments, I criticize them. There are a lot of bad arguments around climate change, just as all of the flat-earth arguments are bad. Your arguments are incredibly bad.
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- to make the difference between Palestinian who just want to leave peacefully in their country, and the Hamas, funded by the Israeli gov though Qatar, because a two states solution does not fit their colonialist agenda (first link I found, there are many. But I think I already gave one) [youtube.com]
- to learn a thing or two about Israel colonialism in the west bank, and learn who is the colonialist. Here are few maps from the Washington Post, do you believes these journalists ? [washingtonpost.com]. Some more from W [wikipedia.org]
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Hamas, on the other hand, has as its stated goal the extermination of all Jews in the region. That's what their "river to the sea" slogan is all about. They are also engaged in war crimes - intentionally targeting civilians, using rape as a weapon, using schools and hospitals as ar
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I don't care what type of bombs they are. All that matters is that large parts of Gaza have be levelled, and Israel is systematically demolishing what is left, to make sure that Gazans can never return. Meanwhile, Israeli real estate companies are already planning how they will develop beach front property in what they understand will soon be part of Israel. Israelis will be living a metre above the skeletal remains of thousands of Palestinian civilians, including children and babies, within a few years.
It'