'Overemployed' Hustlers Exploit ChatGPT To Take On Even More Full-Time Jobs (vice.com) 117
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: About a year ago, Ben found out that one of his friends had quietly started to work multiple jobs at the same time. The idea had become popular during the COVID-19 pandemic, when working from home became normalized, making the scheme easier to pull off. A community of multi-job hustlers, in fact, had come together online, referring to themselves as the "overemployed." The idea excited Ben, who lives in Toronto and asked that Motherboard not use his real name, but he didn't think it was possible for someone like him to pull it off. He helps financial technology companies market new products; the job involves creating reports, storyboards, and presentations, all of which involve writing. There was "no way," he said, that he could have done his job two times over on his own.
Then, last year, he started to hear more and more about ChatGPT, an artificial intelligence chatbot developed by the research lab OpenAI. Soon enough, he was trying to figure out how to use it to do his job faster and more efficiently, and what had been a time-consuming job became much easier. ("Not a little bit more easy," he said, "like, way easier.") That alone didn't make him unique in the marketing world. Everyone he knew was using ChatGPT at work, he said. But he started to wonder whether he could pull off a second job. Then, this year, he took the plunge, a decision he attributes to his new favorite online robot toy. "That's the only reason I got my job this year," Ben said of OpenAI's tool. "ChatGPT does like 80 percent of my job if I'm being honest." He even used it to generate cover letters to apply for jobs.
Over the last few months, the exploding popularity of ChatGPT and similar products has led to growing concerns about AI's potential effects on the international job market -- specifically, the percentage of jobs that could be automated away, replaced by a well-oiled army of chatbots. But for a small cohort of fast-thinking and occasionally devious go-getters, AI technology has turned into an opportunity not to be feared but exploited, with their employers apparently none the wiser. The people Motherboard spoke with for this article requested anonymity to avoid losing their jobs. For clarity, Motherboard in some cases assigned people aliases in order to differentiate them, though we verified each of their identities. Some, like Ben, were drawn into the overemployed community as a result of ChatGPT. Others who were already working multiple jobs have used recent advancements in AI to turbocharge their situation, like one Ohio-based technology worker who upped his number of jobs from two to four after he started to integrate ChatGPT into his work process. "I think five would probably just be overkill," he said.
Then, last year, he started to hear more and more about ChatGPT, an artificial intelligence chatbot developed by the research lab OpenAI. Soon enough, he was trying to figure out how to use it to do his job faster and more efficiently, and what had been a time-consuming job became much easier. ("Not a little bit more easy," he said, "like, way easier.") That alone didn't make him unique in the marketing world. Everyone he knew was using ChatGPT at work, he said. But he started to wonder whether he could pull off a second job. Then, this year, he took the plunge, a decision he attributes to his new favorite online robot toy. "That's the only reason I got my job this year," Ben said of OpenAI's tool. "ChatGPT does like 80 percent of my job if I'm being honest." He even used it to generate cover letters to apply for jobs.
Over the last few months, the exploding popularity of ChatGPT and similar products has led to growing concerns about AI's potential effects on the international job market -- specifically, the percentage of jobs that could be automated away, replaced by a well-oiled army of chatbots. But for a small cohort of fast-thinking and occasionally devious go-getters, AI technology has turned into an opportunity not to be feared but exploited, with their employers apparently none the wiser. The people Motherboard spoke with for this article requested anonymity to avoid losing their jobs. For clarity, Motherboard in some cases assigned people aliases in order to differentiate them, though we verified each of their identities. Some, like Ben, were drawn into the overemployed community as a result of ChatGPT. Others who were already working multiple jobs have used recent advancements in AI to turbocharge their situation, like one Ohio-based technology worker who upped his number of jobs from two to four after he started to integrate ChatGPT into his work process. "I think five would probably just be overkill," he said.
I'd say in a given week I probably only do 15 min (Score:5, Funny)
I'd say in a given week I probably only do about 15 min of real, actual, work.
Re: I'd say in a given week I probably only do 15 (Score:4, Funny)
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I have 8 bosses.
One of whom undoubtedly used his ample free time to write the parent post.
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When I go home I have a wife and three cats. Luckily I'm the boss of two dogs, but they are terrible employees. Dog union says I can't fire them either.
Re:I'd say in a given week I probably only do 15 m (Score:5, Interesting)
I had a small epiphany recently.
Maybe 25% of my time is spent doing actual work.
A full 40% is spent stroking management's ego. Either through needlessly complex procedures, offering virtual handjobs to gain passage through someone's personal fiefdom, or contextualizing both policy and labor law into inoffensive bits.
I'm not sure what to make of all this except maybe a courtisan should be compensated more.
Re: I'd say in a given week I probably only do 15 (Score:2, Insightful)
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And managers waste all their time stroking the insecure grown babies egos they call employees!
No, they don't
Re: I'd say in a given week I probably only do 15 (Score:5, Insightful)
That's a manager's job. Welcome to management, the combination of the jobs of a babysitter, a psychotherapist, a logistics expert and if the shit hits the fan, a catering service.
My job as the manager is to make sure the people working for me have the right amount of resources at the right time, that I keep the idiots that keep them from working out of their hair and that I cut the red tape. That is my job. If I can't do that job, it's time I step aside for someone who can.
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I never really appreciated what a manager does until I became one. Your definition pretty much nailed it. The other important role of a manager (or at least in my case it is) is to assemble the right team who can do the job and weld them into a cohesive team instead of a herd of cats.
Re: I'd say in a given week I probably only do 15 (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, assemble the team... you can only work with what you get. Quite literally in my case. That's not to say that we have bad people (quite the opposite, we have an absolutely great team here) but we have about 50% of the personnel we'd need to actually take on all the orders we'd get, and management is wary that this may not last... and it certainly will not if we keep telling potential customers that we don't want their business... but that's not the topic.
I noticed that if you can split up jobs, do it. The smaller the team, the better the cooperation within and the better the results. 2-3 people, on tiny tasks. Divide and conquer, twice so in huge projects where nobody knows where to start.
Splitting those up in bite-sized portions a normal person can swallow is another management job, btw.
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Problem with being a manager is that you rarely get to decide a team. You work with what you have.
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That's a manager's job. Welcome to management, the combination of the jobs of a babysitter, a psychotherapist, a logistics expert and if the shit hits the fan, a catering service.
My job as the manager is to make sure the people working for me have the right amount of resources at the right time, that I keep the idiots that keep them from working out of their hair and that I cut the red tape. That is my job. If I can't do that job, it's time I step aside for someone who can.
I'm an employee and yep, that is what a Good Manager does. I unfortunately recently went from a good manager to a bad one and the difference in my output is like night and day. The other thing a good manager does is understand what their people do well and what they don't do well. And they try and direct work that the employee is actually good at and enjoys to the right employee under their purview because the work will be better and more efficiently.
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Management is making sure other people can do their job. Micromanagement is not management.
If I have to micromanage someone and tell him how to do his job, I should fire him and do his job instead, because obviously I'm better at it than he is.
If I'm not, then what the fuck am I doing, telling him how to do something he can do better than me?
Re: I'd say in a given week I probably only do 15 (Score:2)
A mentor of mine once told me that hard work alone will only be rewarded with more hard work. Damn was he right all along.
The reality is that whenever employees get more work done, companies just use it as an excuse to give them more work, irregardless of whether the work is actually meaningful. Hell, the only reason we have 40 hour work weeks is because the government mandated it some 80 or so years ago. Despite what economists and futurists claim, this was likely never really a technology issue more so a
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In what world can you create things with management?
Management is just what the word says. Managing what already is. It doesn't create things, it merely creates value by directing already existing things to be more efficient.
40 hours work week was sold in large part on efficiency. That well rested workforce could focus more on the job. And then many of the said jobs left the 40 hour work week nations for the 9/9/6 nation. That is working 12 hours a day, six days a week. Because factory jobs do not require w
Re: I'd say in a given week I probably only do 15 (Score:4, Insightful)
As an employee, the thing you can do if you're better is move on to the next job.
That is certainly one possibility, especially if you're in a shitty job. If you're in a comfortable job that pays adequately, provides a good work-life balance, and keeps you challenged but not overwhelmed, and provides multiple retirement funds, you would be foolish to leave it just for higher pay.
I did that once, and I almost immediately started aging prematurely. After a week on the higher paying job, I realized that the job sucked, the environment sucked, and the product sucked, and I sorely regretted leaving my old job. But the new job was paying me much more than in my old job!
I got my old job back, and happily returned as if I had never left. The premature aging reversed, by the way, because the stress level in my old job was far, far less than in my new job. The graying hair disappeared, the sagging skin under my eyes went away, and the look of death I had started to show vanished.
There are WAY more important things in a job than excessive money. Coincidentally, the bosses gave everyone a big raise shortly after I returned (yes, it was already in the works at the time I left, though I didn't know it at the time).
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>If you're in a comfortable job that pays adequately, provides a good work-life balance, and keeps you challenged but not overwhelmed, and provides multiple retirement funds, you would be foolish to leave it just for higher pay
If you're the top 5% hyperproductive guy, it's foolish not to. If you're not, then it's a different story.
>I did that once, and I almost immediately started aging prematurely. After a week on the higher paying job, I realized that the job sucked, the environment sucked, and the
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That's a strangely specific list of things that have little relationship between themselves. Are you projecting?
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I still don't understand why you compare one day of work to two days of work. Especially considering that in relevant systems, one works 5 days 8 hours each, and other is 6 days 12 hours each. So if you had to compare one day to two, it would make more sense to compare 8 to 24 than 16 to 12. And even that would be stupid.
So I guess I hit the nail on the head with "projecting". This is the 2+2=5 math you're engaging in.
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996 work week means working from 9 in the morning to 9 in the evening, six days a week.
So you get five 8 hour work shifts with a 40 hour work week. You get six 12 hour ones with 996. The rest is history that you're trying to deny for some reason.
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So you will need 50% more workers, and you will still underperform as you'll be missing 12 hours a week.
No really. Why do you feel the need arguing against historic facts and mathematics at the same time?
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And the higher you get in the food chain, the less time is spent on working and the more is spent on stroking someone's ego.
It's why I quit my CISO position a while ago. I wanted to have the feeling that what I do is actual work. The only thing I was doing was to create presentations for CEO and CFO to cough up the dough I needed to fund the people who actually did the work. And I couldn't even go and do the work myself because I was too expensive for that and couldn't explain the expenditure when there wer
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Re:I'd say in a given week I probably only do 15 m (Score:4, Funny)
I'd say in a given week I probably only do about 15 min of real, actual, work.
Boy that’s just a straight shooter with upper management written all over him.
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You're our new CFO? Didn't know you post here.
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At least I'm not advocating child marriage. https://www.newsweek.com/misso... [newsweek.com]
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Found the Democrat politician
No, you found someone who has seen Office Space the movie.
Exploit. (Score:3, Informative)
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Re:Exploit. (Score:5, Insightful)
It was weird, not normal. And he was screwed when the unions got broken anyway (grocery store employee and manager).
Nobody likes to admit they're hustling because they have to. If you talk to somebody and they claim to be hustling for the Love of the Game they're lying to their teeth because it's socially unacceptable to admit you can't make it
Re:Exploit. (Score:5, Funny)
Hmm.... I'm a workaholic, so I should start drinking to solve my addiction problem?
So I think you're kind of proving my point (Score:2)
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Before I was a drug addict, I had so many different problems. Now I just have one - drugs! Gave my life a real focus.
--Lyle, Cecil B Demented
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Not yet 30, he is already making $500,000 working two jobs and worth around $3 million, claims he backed up to Motherboard with documentation. But he hopes to increase his compensation to $800,000 by tacking on a third position, and reach a net worth of $10 million by 35.
Sure, he could have a drinking problem, or an expensive cocaine habit, or gambling debt but it's pretty clear this guy is most likely trying to rake in as much money as possible as young as possible.
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People bringing in half a million dollars a year (Score:2)
Human beings aren't designed for or intended to put in the insane amount of wo
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"I know a guy who worked multiple jobs because he was in alcoholic and working non-stop kept him away from booze."
And thus, another conscience was sated of it's impropriety
I think you're kind of missing the point (Score:2)
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Meh, if someone says something like that... that's a rationalization. Not that I disagree with you, but I've heard it a million times...
Re: Exploit. (Score:2)
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Gaming the system is being able to work sane hours, have time for personal and familial leisure and learning, have paid vacation, and still be more productive as an individual and a society.
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Those illegal immigrants pouring over your border are taking jobs where there are no worker protections.
Talk about living in a first world silo. When the revolution comes, you'd be torn apart on the first day.
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Hey, if the US is good at one thing, it's advertising. Come to us, we exploit you like NOBODY else!
If a chatbot imitates you well enough (Score:2)
Are you trifling enough that surrounding your entire potential is an indictment or a transcendence?
Long as you don't "go gently into the night," there is no night.
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If the company you work for gets an application from the chatbot, does the interview with the chatbot and gets its reports from the chatbot, at what point could they even compare it to you?
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ChatGPT is poison (Score:4, Insightful)
We don't know where it's going, but we can be confident that the people controlling "permitted" uses of it will be greedy, amoral monsters.
Kill it, and sow the ground with salt.
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I think for liability reasons they will try to keep it safe but the creators of the GPTs have admitted they don't actually know how to keep them safe and the mechanisms they do use hinder the effectiveness of the AIs which is no doubt a deterrent in having strong safety.
We've had 50 years to decide how to test for sentience, AIs are now well on their way to passing those tests and of course we still won't really know whether they are sentient or if it's just a technological trick.
The following channel exami
Motherboard had ChatGPT generate clickbait (Score:5, Insightful)
It's like it's written as a piece of fiction.
"last year, he started to hear more and more about ChatGPT"
Ok..."more" than what? Nothing at all? Wasn't it released on Nov 30th?
"Everyone he knew was using ChatGPT at work"
Oh, really? It's only been around for about 6 months...but EVERYONE he knew was using it.
The whole story seems contrived. Sure...some of this could be theoretically possible...but since there are no actual specific details, I think it's all made up.
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101% sure that is Motherboard's click-bait abating in gibberish journalism.
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The thing is, it sounds almost autobiographical, like this is what the author is doing & they're pretending it's other people. Is this an obfuscated
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Poor Strategy (Score:5, Interesting)
Just wait until the employer catches on and needs 80% less of these employeesâ¦. They would be wiser to use this skill to take on more responsibility and anchor themselves as a necessity at one company.
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Just wait until the employer catches on and needs 80% less of these employees
America has a labor shortage which is driving up inflation and holding back economic growth.
So if ChatGPT can replace some of these workers and allow them to move to more productive employment, that is a good thing.
Using ChatGPT to make writing more efficient is no different in principle than using the McCormick Reaper to make harvesting grain more efficient.
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Except, how many of the currently unemployed were ever going to be writers in the first place? Not many. The reaper probably took away more real jobs.
However, this could easily lead to a situation where nobody coming into the business knows how to write without the assistance of the AI, and the AI is trained on everything, and the result is that every script is a reheating of a few bland dishes because that's all the AI knows.
As if this wasn't already the case without the AI.
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It took away horrible jobs. Very few people want to manual labor in a field, and those that do tend to be content with a yard sized garden. To call field work with hand tools a 'real job' demeans humanity.
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A real job is one that employs a person and isn't just a theoretical construct. The job of writer is merely theoretical for most people. Even if they have an aptitude for it, there are still fewer jobs than there are applicants. All I was referring to there was raw numbers. More people probably lost their jobs to the reaper, at least so far. I don't think anywhere near the same proportion of the population is writers now as was farmers then.
AI is going to make that worse, and it will start eroding the funda
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Just wait until the employer catches on and needs 80% less of these employees
America has a labor shortage which is driving up inflation and holding back economic growth.
So if ChatGPT can replace some of these workers and allow them to move to more productive employment, that is a good thing.
Using ChatGPT to make writing more efficient is no different in principle than using the McCormick Reaper to make harvesting grain more efficient.
Nope. The USA has high unemployment (Fun fact: the USA records unemployment differently to most other developed countries so as to hide the real numbers) & a poverty crisis & US employers are having difficulty finding employees because the pay & conditions they offer are worse than the shitty jobs &/or situations that potential employees are already in or they just can't afford to switch jobs. Many employers being racist, sexist, homophobic, & religiously &/or culturally intolerant p
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Just for information, the numbers: this article https://www.thebalancemoney.co... [thebalancemoney.com] says the usual USA unemployment metric U-3 is 3.6% while the "real" number U-6 unemployment is 6.7%. Meanwhile EU-27 averages 6.0% and Eurozone (EU-19) 6.6% https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/... [europa.eu] I don't know what you would consider "high" unemployment, currently it's the same as Eurozone.
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There's a typo in my Eurostat link, this one works: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/... [europa.eu]
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I wasn't questioning this part of your statement, I was trying to quantify it. According to the first link https://www.thebalancemoney.co... [thebalancemoney.com] , in USA the completely jobless (U3), which is the metric usually reported, represents 54% of the total ("real") unemployed (U6, which includes people with infrequent work or part time who are looking for full time).
The fractions of fully unemployed and partly employed seems to be similar to what happens in France (category A = fully unemployed, ABC = all who look for
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I make $6000 a week (Score:3)
Well (Score:5, Insightful)
The guy's so lucky that their "job" is so devoid of any requirement for creativity and skill, that even a half-assed web scraper can do it. It is quite interesting to see if he'll be able to keep these jobs for long, or if chatgpt-like crap will phase him out.
ChatGPT generated reply... (Score:3)
My chatGPT query:
"Write a forum reply to this: - quote entire article -"
The response:
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That actually reads a whole lot better than most if not all story replies.
Seems fairly obvious to me that it would be kinda fun to code up something like this:
Watch for post updates on any given site that accepts comments.
Scrape the story content.
Use the ChatGPT api to generate a response.
Use something like Puppeteer to automate a headless browser that can login with an actual account and reply using the generated response.
Set some form of randomness, so it doesn't reply to everything.
Hook it up to as many
Re:ChatGPT generated reply... (Score:4, Funny)
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Yeah, totally obvious reply and I'm glad you posted it. ;)
The web is already awash with ML generated content - it's not AI, not even close.
I wish I was naive enough to believe this type of thing hasn't happened already and isn't happening on a mass scale - but it is.
What interests me, is ChatGPT and like being released to the masses right now, begs the question what is available behind the scenes - as in, not publicly available - and how long has the level of quality the ML developed by many different compa
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If you act as if you pay me, I act as if I work (Score:2)
One way or another, people will get a living wage together again from doing one job.
Anybody consider (Score:2)
Dishonesty that will cause a lot of harm (Score:2)
That leaves these "good" empl
You Are The AI (Score:3)
If your job can be done by a stochastic parrot, then your job was always bullshit and you are essentially disposable to humanity.
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True. That's why those hustlers take several jobs. They know they won't last in any, just try to make the most out of their uselessness for humanity.
ChatGPT will likely be banned from govt/corp nets (Score:2)
I am also thinking of the TikTok bans cropping up.
I predict that most companies and governments wi
in-office work (Score:2)
Publicly hosted ChatGPT will certainly get banned. But it's a big productivity boost not to host one privately.
This will further strengthen the case for "in-office work". Employers will want to put an air-gap around their data.
Guys, this is obvious (Score:3)
I work to live not live to work (Score:2)
Multiple jobs, whether using ChatGPT or not, sounds like living to work. I'd rather get paid for the little actual work I do now and enjoy the rest of my time than take on another job.
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I had a friend that did this for a while. His goal wasn't to live to work; it was to pay off his wife and child. He owed a significant amount of money for them (child support and alimony) after a contentious divorce.
We drifted apart, but I believe his plan was to pile up some money and take a few years off. I can respect that. I think of it as time-shifting a few years of retirement back to when you're young enough to enjoy it.
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It does make good CVs (Score:1)
I am skeptical of most of this, but the CV thing is definitely legitimate.
I used the publicly hosted ChatGPT3 to make a CV based on my skills, which it did a good job at.
Where it is most useful is taking your CV and making a version of it tailored for the role you are applying at. That is an insanely useful application that makes job applications much easier.
"But what if people steal your information?"
To me, that is the tradeoff. I choose to use OpenAI's massive database with some non-named personal inform
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millions of work age men are not working, not looking for work and are not doing anything meaningful or positive with their lives.
They're also not breeding, so the problem is self-correcting.
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Who are you to dictate whether what I do with my life is meaningful or positive?
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Who is dictating? However I can make a judgement, I have my own ideas and sensibilities, I wouldn't give a red cent to any of these men (or women) who can work but choose not to and use all the means that governments provide to avoid working and live on the dole. This will end within our lifetimes I think, given which way the economies are going.
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In the end, you will pay for them, one way or another. But you can choose. You can buy them off or you can first pay when they rob you and then pay for them being locked up or fried to a crisp.
Personally, I prefer the option where my life doesn't get endangered. It's cheaper, too.
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no, I disagree. This argument doesn't work for such huge numbers of people, we have created this attitude, made it possible and once the system stops making it possible these millions of people will be working, they are not bandits (which is what you are implying) they are taking advantage of the situation because we have provided them with the means. It is like we are creating new subspecies. These are not the people that will behave like the bandits, that would be the politicians.
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That's the thing, they won't be working. Maybe some will, fine, but by and large, they have smelled the java and learned that working won't get them anywhere. If I have to spend as much as I make working just to do that job, I'm better off not doing it because then at least I keep my time. And we're at that point.
People may be stupid, but someone will do that basic math for them if they can't get that done.
These people will instead find other ways to lie, cheat and swindle their way into money. We've been t
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You are accusing millions of people of being thives, etc., when in reality they are only taking advantage of what the governments are allowing them, they are rational people who came to the same conclusion as I - if free money is handed out, people will take it.
You should really listen to this podcast, the entire thing. It is very telling about the state of affairs in government and media today.
https://www.youtube.com/live/b... [youtube.com]
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I hope you have an abridged version of that podcast, if someone talks for an hour, the reason is usually that he can't be assed to condense it to the important bits and instead drones on.
And I don't accuse them of being thieves, I "accuse" them of having learned to game the system properly. And they will continue to do so. They understood the basic principle of life: Invest the lowest amount of effort for the highest amount of benefit. The basic principle that is the foundation of life on our planet as well
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that podcast is worth listening to in full, I never spend an hour listening to them, that is why you can play it at twice the speed.
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Even our CEO gives me a summary when he invites to one of his hour long speeches. Because else nobody would show up, and he knows it. So either give me an idea what I'm supposed to listen to or I really have no reason to even waste a minute, let alone an hour.
You should know yourself just how many people will send you an "oh, you have to listen to this, this will TOTALLY explain everything" link, only to spend the next hour listen to meaningless drivel that you debunked ages ago. After you've been through t
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I don't have to talk you into anything, sometimes is not meaningless drivel but may not be interesting to listen to, however if you are too busy then you don't have to, cheers.
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Sometimes it's not, true, but experience tells me if someone isn't even able or willing to offer a half-paragraph summary, it usually is.
I like our conversations. There aren't many people here who not only have a polar opposite point of view to mine but are also intelligent and can present their point in a way that I have to actually engage with instead of being able to dismiss it outright. But I think you know as well as I do that there just isn't enough time to read or even listen to all the information o
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the video is about Peter Schiff, his take on the US financial crisis, which will have to play out as a full blown recession, given what the government and the Fed are doing, will likely drug the economy into ain inflationary depression. However the reason I offer to watch it rather than to read about it is his personal story in the second part of the video. He started a bank more than a decade ago, a full reserve bank, where account holders could have their money stored as gold deposits and their debit c
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Made the same mistake on two freelance contracts. Both burned and I got nothing.
ChatGPT might be a danger to slogging paperwork jobs and silicon valley fake it till you make it companies, but it can't make a working 24 bit mode DMA i2s driver to communicate with a poorly documented 32 bit mode non-DMA i2s DAC, while also making a professional electronics-embedded cosplay for an upcoming convention.
Trust me, I tried.