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GE Will Split Into Three Units, Ending Conglomerate for Good (bloomberg.com) 52

General Electric will split into three separate companies in a stunning breakup of the iconic manufacturer founded by Thomas Edison whose sprawling businesses once made it the world's most valuable company. The shares surged. From a report: GE will spin off its health care business in early 2023 and combine its renewable energy, fossil-fuel power and digital units into a single energy-focused entity that will be spun off a year later, the company said Tuesday. The remaining company will consist of GE Aviation, its jet-engine division. "What we're doing today is creating three outstanding investment-grade, global leaders in health care, aviation and energy," Chief Executive Officer Larry Culp said in an interview. "GE has led in these markets for a long time and today we're setting ourselves up for another century of leadership."
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  • Alternative link (Score:4, Informative)

    by williamyf ( 227051 ) on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @11:36AM (#61971215)

    The bloomberg link is kinda sorta paywalled, here is an alternative from reuters:

    https://www.reuters.com/busine... [reuters.com]

    Lets hope the new companies are Called GE Aviation, GE Health and GE Energy, and that the tickers are GE-A, GE-H and GE-E instead of the Kindryl clusterFSCK ... ;-)

    • by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @12:18PM (#61971331)
      I guess all the naval ship components will fall under GE-energy? Obviously the power production side of things would. GE owns so much of the vessels that we more or less rent it than outright own it. The rumors behind how Reduction Gears are made is elevated to almost urban legend status. I have no idea the truth behind the rumors that of the machinist making a particular set of reduction gears were to die, they would scrap the gears and start over. 1 tool&die machinist per set of gears.
      • by Pascoea ( 968200 )
        Huh, that's interesting. I'd never heard of anything like that before. Great, another youtube rabbit hole to crawl down.
    • by shanen ( 462549 ) on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @12:57PM (#61971431) Homepage Journal

      Thanks for the alternative link, and a reasonable FP, but it still didn't address my burning question:

      "This creates real value, how?"

      Actually it's a rhetorical question. The answer is obvious: "Not."

      It's a stupid shell game, but the speculators and gamblers see more ways to play games with a few more cards. And somehow that means the "cards" for the dying brand are each worth another 6%? Of WTF are they worth? Near as I can tell, every nickel GE has ever invested in advertising to build up the brand's reputation and "brand value" is being flushed down the toilet. Almost as funny as the artist formerly known as Prince, eh?

      Another branch of the discussion already mentioned HP's self-immolation, and today Toshiba announced an amusingly similar division into three fragments, too. https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotli... [nikkei.com] (Of course the underlying and sad reality is that Toshiba killed itself some years ago. Doubled down too many times and all of the bets went bust. How rotten is the core of GE now?)

      Must be the season for maximizing "shareholder value" with this sort of game? Anyone have any seasonal stats on when the most corporate divisions, bankruptcies, and suicides are announced?

      Solution approaches, anyone? If you've seen my prior comments on corporate cancers, you know that I think the best general solution approach would be changing to (or at least evolving towards) a pro-freedom anti-greedom tax system. Let them divide themselves to increase their retained earnings. Separating business divisions is completely the wrong way to do it. Instead, the companies should be split up within lines of business. There MUST have been something good there or the division never would have succeeded in the first place. So the good bits should be reproduced in several competing companies, and at least one of the children will have a chance to find and fix the bad bits.

      (There was another branch focusing on the CxOs as the villains. I think it would have been a better FP, for whatever that's worth. However, I mostly dismiss the personalities these days. Too much competition to be the biggest idiot in the monkey barrel. If Jack Welch and Carly Fiorina hadn't screwed the pooch, someone else would have come along. I don't even know who screwed up Toshiba, and as a shareholder you'd think I should know or at least care.)

      (In other tangential and unrelated news, it's a good thing Slashdot doesn't have an insert-sound feature. One of the messaging systems I have been "encouraged" to use includes a way to insert sounds. Very annoying intrusions, but it has led to the thought experiment of inserting a flushing sound after certain comments. (And no, I haven't done it or even heard such a sound there, but now I know what's coming.) As regards this story, the sound would IMNSHO be appropriate after future mentions of GE. <FLUSH>)

    • Let's hope they're not called GE. It's nearly impossible to figure out which are different entities. Buying a freezer? It's a Haier, but branded with a GE logo. Want a light bulb? Savant makes those, but they use the exact same GE logo on them.

      People think that Meta is a dumb name for Facebook's parent company or that Alphabet is bad for Google, but at least they aren't just naming everything the same thing.

  • by Experiment 626 ( 698257 ) on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @11:44AM (#61971239)
    Which of the three will be making the GE minigun?
  • Break up the company whether it makes good business sense or not but use bogus BS such as "core focus" and "realign" to fool the gullible then collect fat bonus as shares go up. Meanwhile the broad expertise is lost. In 20 years time re-amalgamate. Rinse and repeat.

    • Break up the company whether it makes good business sense or not but use bogus BS such as "core focus" and "realign" to fool the gullible then collect fat bonus as shares go up. Meanwhile the broad expertise is lost. In 20 years time re-amalgamate. Rinse and repeat.

      Hey, it worked for Carly Fiorina at Hewlett Packard.... actually, nevermind

    • by Rei ( 128717 ) on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @12:00PM (#61971267) Homepage

      It's an awkward conglomerate. In general, investors pay a premium to be able to be selective in their exposure. I invest in energy, but not aircraft, for example; having a GE Energy company is more appealing as an investor. Meanwhile, someone who mainly invests in aircraft may have just the opposite viewpoint.

      Broad conglomerates are useful when their branches have synergy, sharing manufacturing capacity, talent, patents, etc across all their branches. But GE is a weird mix, esp. healthcare.

      • Aviation and Energy should have tons of theoretical synergy. After all, whether it's aircraft engines generating thrust or power turbines generating electricity, the same technology is used. In fact, Aviation's tech slowly migrates down to Energy, albeit at a slower pace than you'd think.

        • And there's no reason that the two sister-companies cannot still have licensing agreements and shared services between them. It's all just contract paper - when they split, they just sign a perpetual ongoing license agreement for turbine tech for $1/year.

        • Aviation and energy are going down separate paths. Jet engines will still be a thing 40 years from now, but gas power plants maybe not so much. They can share in the meantime, but Energy can now investigate other paths without worrying about dragging down Aviation if they screw up.

          • by Hadlock ( 143607 )

            GE makes a ton of money in the oil and gas, but they're deep in wind, solar and nuclear as well.
             
            GE's specialty is that they make all sorts of high efficiency turbines, both for jets and power plants. They're being split up on paper, but a lot of GE's facilities are shared, I don't see this split being very deep or strong due to the shared roots.

      • GE is a bizarre mix. Healthcare equipment. Aircraft engines. Industrial control software. A capital investment wing. Industrial-scale power equipment.

        It made a lot more sense when they were much larger, but now it's, pretty much, everything that's left after the previous divestments.

        The other thing people miss is - managing a small business is hard, managing a medium-sized business is really hard, and managing an enormous conglomerate is nearly impossible. Now imagine a conglomerate made up of entirely diff

        • One could argue that related businesses, or at least interdependent businesses, would be easier to manage if they were under one roof. But if you're treating them as independent or even quasi independent units that still compete for some common pool of cash or executives' mental cycles, then it really puzzles me how such an entity can be more profitable than just owning shares of separate businesses. I assume the conglomerate began as a pissing contest in a different time and never quite got extricated out

        • GE is a bizarre mix. Healthcare equipment. Aircraft engines. Industrial control software. A capital investment wing. Industrial-scale power equipment.

          It all makes sense in the grand scheme of things. You have the capital investment wing which works with the industrial-scale power equipment which needs industrial control software to make aircraft engines which help fly healthcare equipment around the world.

          Or, alternately, the capital investment wing helps create healthcare equipment needed to rep
        • by sjames ( 1099 )

          In many ways, managing a small business is hardest. You can't afford people to help and unlike a large business you can't just announce that you've decided to pay the bills a couple weeks late and if anyone objects, talk to the hand.

          • by JBMcB ( 73720 )

            In many ways, managing a small business is hardest. You can't afford people to help and unlike a large business you can't just announce that you've decided to pay the bills a couple weeks late and if anyone objects, talk to the hand.

            I have relatives who own a small store, and while you are right about labor (every time minimum wage goes up they end up hiring less seasonal help) their suppliers are actually pretty flexible about payments. Being a small store, if they have a slow year and have to hold off on completely paying their suppliers, the suppliers are usually OK with it, as it's not a whole lot of money in the grand scheme of things. If a huge retailer decides that they are going to hold off on paying their suppliers, that's a *

            • by sjames ( 1099 )

              That varies by industry. In other things, suppliers get quite antsy if you go a single day over net 30 and frequently will refuse any new orders until you bring the balance to zero. If it happens more than once, they won't even answer the phone when you call.

      • by EvilSS ( 557649 )
        Yea the days of big industrial conglomerates are over in the US. Yes, we still have conglomerates, but most are focused into broad categories like food, retail, entertainment, etc. In the old days, Wallstreet liked them for their diversification and size. Today, they baffle the analysts who struggle with them due to their broad mix of industries. GE might be one of the last of it's kind in the US, at least at the scope of what they were. Sure we have Honeywell, 3M, etc but even they are not as broad as GE a
    • Normally I would agree, but there's not a lot of synergy between people making aircraft jet engines, and people making CT scanners. There's zero customer crossover between many of their business lines if you take "United States Department of Defense" off the list.

      This could be a way to jettison a shitload of debt through having multiple stock issues in order to make three healthy companies from one somewhat-healthy industry titan. And aren't we always bleating on about "too big to fail" around here anyway

  • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @11:53AM (#61971253)
    During the reign of Jack Welch, GE was at its peak as "most valuable" company with record profits. As a conglomerate, the hype was that it was too big to fail. What many missed is that GE was relying heavily on GE Capital profits to shoulder losses from other divisions [theweek.com]. Like many finance companies, GE Capital also invested heavily into real estate. When the housing market fell in 2008, it exposed GE’s tenuous finances. And GE never really recovered.
    • by gtall ( 79522 ) on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @12:12PM (#61971309)

      Jack Welch was moron. He acquired companies because he could, not because they fit into the rest of GE. He was also the fellow who got GE involved in real estate. When the music stopped, so did GE. But he was nowhere to be found since he retired in 2001.

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      Welch focused on financial gimmicks instead of R&D, and is now paying the price. Intel made a similar mistake.

      • It is a similar story with HP. Carly Fiorina rose to the CEO due to the performance of her division. Her division was printers but around that time inkjets were experiencing record sales and profits for the company. In retrospect it was not really her leadership skills or principles that drove that division. She simply did not hinder that division during that pivotal time.
        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Carly Fiorina rose to the CEO due to the performance of her division.

          Incorrect, Carly Fiorina was hired externally, from some (old) AT&T division, to be the CEO. She never managed any HP division,

      • by sjames ( 1099 )

        That's the thing. Welch isn't paying for it at all, but GE is. Even if Welch was still living, he wouldn't be paying for it due to his golden parachute.

      • I thought GE pioneered "the beatings will continue until morale improves" policy of firing the bottom 20% on performance reviews of their tech workforce.

        I told SpaceX does a a similar thing?

        GE should have been an unassailable technology leader?

    • by fermion ( 181285 )
      Most companies were using financial services to drive profits. UPS famously made so much money off the insurance business that it had to launder the money b

      Another thing that happened around that time is that GE offloaded the failing nuclear power business into a private firm with Hitachi.

      Like most old companies, GE is caving under legacy real estate and employees that kill profits. If this separates some of that legacy bloat, it will be good for the bits that survive.

  • So anyway.

  • by gurps_npc ( 621217 ) on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @12:58PM (#61971435) Homepage

    GE was at one time a brilliant, can't lose investment. They had a ton of money. Then a new CEO came along and decided the best thing he could do with all the cash was to buy EVERYTHING. He went looking for anything he could buy and over-paid for a ton of junk.

    Finally they are doing the exact opposite, selling off businesses and letting them survive on their own instead of being in a huge conglomerate that had little to no reason to be one company.

    • GE was at one time a brilliant, can't lose investment. They had a ton of money. Then a new CEO came along and decided the best thing he could do with all the cash was to buy EVERYTHING. He went looking for anything he could buy and over-paid for a ton of junk.

      Finally they are doing the exact opposite, selling off businesses and letting them survive on their own instead of being in a huge conglomerate that had little to no reason to be one company.

      I've seen too much of GE taking a product, making as much profit off it they could, and firing anyone that knew anything about it, rather than improving on the technology to something new and using the knowledge of the people who developed the original.

  • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @01:46PM (#61971531)

    I worked as a consultant for GE as an IT Consultant. Compared to the other customers I have worked for, GE didn't seem to have any company sole. While the people were nice enough, none of them seemed overly motivated, and preferred to keep the status quo, spend most of their time trying to cut costs, vs build a better product, or find a better workflow. Successes are to be treated as a minor improvement, Failures are deeply punished. With everyone job on the line it was about playing it safe.

    I expect that the higher ups were seeing bad numbers, and figure the other units are the ones bringing them down, and if they can do it their own way they will be able to succeed.

    • Was that while Jack Welch had his policy of firing the bottom X% every year? I could imagine that making a company incredibly risk averse.
      • by Anonymous Coward
        Yes, in that era GE would layoff the bottom 20% end of each year, so they could go hire new folks in the new year. It was them that also were among the biggest champions of all those metrics such as ISO900x, SixSigma, etc. which were supposed to enable every firm to transform themselves into a GE-wannabe powerhouse, except very few people have the diligence to maintain all that so the acronyms became fodder for resumes and CVs.
  • by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @02:24PM (#61971633) Homepage

    Each of the three spinoffs of GE will be a conglomerate in its own right. They'll just be more focused on a particular theme.

    Before the split, GE was made up of about 20,000 separate companies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] I'd say that roughly 7,000 companies for each of the three, still constitutes a conglomerate.

  • What is that supposed to mean?

    It's a conglomerate. They split. They buy. They split again.

    GE has been doing this since the 1980's.

    Ending it for good? What?

    • Maybe they're killing the head vampire as a part of the move or something like that. It's still probably too much of a lumbering giant for it's own good, but even massive icebergs melt away given enough time.
  • What the hell is investment grade? It needs money? What if car companies made repair grade cars?

  • Jack Welch also gutted GE Corporate Research & Development, ending most of the tax on the divisions which originally funded it and requiring CR&D to sign contracts with divisions for particular work. Long term R&D went away.

  • ...I'm not at all surprised that the current junk CEO is keeping direct control over Aviation. They've been spinning the less profitable bits of the company off since Culp took over, this is just the punchline of this effort.
  • horizontal integration has turned out to be a loser for your stock price, since no one can figure out what business you're in.

    vertical integration is a winner, because you can control your supply chain.

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