EVE Online Targeted By LulzSec 352
lordsilence writes "It seems LulzSec is now targeting CCP Games' Eve Online with a denial of service attack. The extent of this attack is yet not known but the game cluster and EVEOnline.com website are down at the writing of this post.. A possible reason for targeting CCP could be the affiliation with Sony. CCP recently announced during E3 that their upcoming game Dust514 would be Sony Playstation 3 exclusive."
I call BS (Score:5, Insightful)
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It boggles the mind how emos found the time to learn hacking.
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LOIC just floods a server, it's not a terribly useful tool for anything other than DDoS. For Anonymous, that's good enough.
LulzSec though wants to go after blood - userlists, corporate data, etc. You need a fancier tool than LOIC to do that, and some skill.
Anonymous would just make EVE harder to play by increasing lag of the entire game. LulzSec would really just mess things up by zeroing everyone's balance or giving tons of money or screwing with everyone's stats.
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You mean found the time to download a kit to do the hacking for them.
Re:Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.... (Score:4, Insightful)
It was a good speech from "Good Will Hunting".
Did you type it out yourself, or just cut and paste ?
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Re:I call BS (Score:5, Funny)
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No, I feel angry because my internet spaceships are gone.
QFT. Internet Spaceships are serious business.
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Dammit We have a War dec starting today...
- Dan.
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You may feel angry because those toys aren't available to you, or me.
What you'd love right now is being in the playground with the others and not in a dark, isolate angle, trying to pretend you want to help them out.
See, the canonical good samaritan doesn't fake his attention needs, you might want to look for someone who actually hear _your_ problems.
Seriously?
I couldn't eek out a moment in my day to use these toys to attack some web site somewhere. I have an actual life, and no basement to crawl into.
Some day the perpwalks will start.
How smug will you be then?
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They didn't "pwn" anything. They just DDoSed EVE, and the admins took the servers and forums offline which is pretty standard when you're being DDoSed. Not quite the same thing as breaking in and stealing all the password/credit card info... but they're acting as if they are the real shit.
EVE Online: 1 LulzSec: 0
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"Anonymous Rejects"?!? wow... (Score:3)
What's that like, getting thrown out of your local community college for poor grades?
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It's probably as much for the Something Awful ties as the Sony ones. Anonymous aren't exactly known for having a high threshold of reasoning required for DOSing something.
Re:I call BS (Score:5, Insightful)
The real Anonymous of yore wouldn't point their cannons in such arbitrary manners.
I thought that arbitrarily pointing the cannon was most of the point of Anonymous, both of yore and today. The whole thing with not being your personal army and all that.
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Doubt it, they just opened up an 800 number are simply accepting requests on targets. It sounds like they targeted Escapist because of their recent reporting on their Bethesda hack, but Minecraft and EVE just seems to come from boredom.
Re:I call BS (Score:5, Insightful)
Paranoid much? Just accept that your heroes are no such thing. They do what they do, "for the lulz". There is no higher purpose. No false flag. They just enjoy making other people miserable and laughing at their misfortune.
I saw something online a month ago or so. Apparently Anonymous responded to a bunch of dating site ads by lonely men, pretending to be interested women, and inviting them to a date at a predetermined place and time. They secretly filled the spot, hoping to live-stream the misery of these people as they realized no one was coming. Was that a false flag attack too?
These people are just bullies, getting off on the suffering of others.
Re:I call BS (Score:5, Insightful)
Paranoid much? Just accept that your heroes are no such thing. They do what they do, "for the lulz".
Well...
When everyone is out to get you, paranoia is just good thinking.
There is no higher purpose. No false flag. They just enjoy making other people miserable and laughing at their misfortune.
I saw something online a month ago or so. Apparently Anonymous responded to a bunch of dating site ads by lonely men, pretending to be interested women, and inviting them to a date at a predetermined place and time. They secretly filled the spot, hoping to live-stream the misery of these people as they realized no one was coming. Was that a false flag attack too?
These people are just bullies, getting off on the suffering of others.
Yeah, LulzSec does seem to be rather loose. Their actions in the example you give are rather cruel, too. :|
"Original" Anonymous are trolls. (Score:4, Interesting)
You just don't get it. The original, from 4chan, Anonymous are a bunch of trolls and always have been. The only time anything approaching morality entered the mass consciousness of Anon was during Project Chanology, and if anyone hurts cats. Long before Anonymous was in the news they were happily trolling Nazis, furries, pedos, twelve year old girls, quadriplegics, gay kids, Christians, Muslims, Atheists etc.
The only rule is "we do it for the lulz".
The moral hacktivist Anonymous of Project Chanology era was entirely a creation of a handful of individuals who did a very good job of media manipulation. The vast majority of Anons were just participating because it was funny to annoy the Scientologists.
4chan is not your personal army, but if you offer them an interesting enough target they will participate until bored. If your target isn't interesting they are just as likely to track down your docs and harass you instead of the target.
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Amazing that no matter how many times people explain Anon there are still people like artor3. They are obviously deaf. Various misc may form splinter groups for lulz, but the causes that gain most traction tend to be just ones as most people are fairly decent. Anyway the dating prank is pretty tame compared to many. Odd argument that some hidden camera joke is false flag compared to hacking the Senate web site, that just doesn't make any sense.
Phillip.
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My guess is that LulzSec == government entities (joint or not is no matter) looking to discredit Anonymous. The real Anonymous of yore wouldn't point their cannons in such arbitrary manners.
Eh? They would not? How do you know? Do you claim to speak for anon? Oh right, anybody can speak for anon. Perhaps you can begin to see the problem here...
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My guess is that LulzSec == government entities (joint or not is no matter) looking to discredit Anonymous. The real Anonymous of yore wouldn't point their cannons in such arbitrary manners.
Eh? They would not? How do you know? Do you claim to speak for anon? Oh right, anybody can speak for anon. Perhaps you can begin to see the problem here...
My point exactly! :D Governments and most of the media are intent on Anonymous being one large structured organization, labelling all who wear the name as evil when in fact that's not necessarily the case. In reality using the name of Anonymous is entirely interchangeable with "an unknown group of people", whereas governments and most of the media tend to have it be interchangeable with something like "Microsoft" (in terms of loosely knit group of people versus structured organizations).
Also, I'm not spe
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My money is on the same bet. Cui bono? It's easy to say "they do it for the lulz", but where's the lulz? If they really wanted to screw with people, target WoW servers, preferably during raid primetimes, and cycle through the shards around the globe to follow the timezones. Now THERE is some outcry and whining to gain! But EvE? Oh please, who cares besides the roughly 3000 people who play it "seriously"? In WoW, you can target 3000 per server to grief!
But Blizzard is a US company, while CCP is based in Icel
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The real Anonymous of yore wouldn't point their cannons in such arbitrary manners.
You mean the Anonymous that trolled gays, 12 year old girls, dating site members, etc...? Certainly sounds like the 'Anonymous of yore' would do that sort of arbitrary trolling and attacks.
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Or... (Score:5, Insightful)
Or maybe they don't have a motive and are just being dicks for the sake of being dicks.
I know it's from a movie, but ... (Score:5, Interesting)
Alfred Pennyworth: A long time ago, I was in Burma, my friends and I were working for the local government. They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones. But their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit. So we went looking for the stones. But in six months, we never found anyone who traded with him. One day I saw a child playing with a ruby the size of a tangerine. The bandit had been throwing them away.
Bruce Wayne: Then why steal them?
Alfred Pennyworth: Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
I find it fitting since they're in it for the "LuLz" as was the Joker
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-- Joe Haldeman,"Colonizing Other Worlds."
While he was discussing closed cultures on Interstellar Travel and Mutli-Generation Space Ships, Spaceship Earth also has some of the issues with having real live people trying to keep it together for the whole voyage. And we just go 'round and 'round with nowhere in particular as the course.
If I wrote the news... (Score:5, Funny)
"IT departments everywhere noted huge gains in productivity today, as LulzSec announced it was taking Eve Online, offline. 'We don't know what happened exactly, but the whole tech crew start screaming about their crack being gone, and suddenly things started to get fixed. Oh - and they all even took showers.'"
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Well, _I_ didn't shower today. We're in the middle of a drought here, gotta do my part to conserve water. All you people taking showers are ruining the planet!
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All you people taking showers are ruining the planet!
Yeah. It's a damn shame that using water for personal hygiene actually destroys the elementary matter it's made of, in clear and inexplicable violation of the laws of Conservation of Mass.
Unless, perhaps, your shower drains into some kind of mass-conversion energy system, in which case... why aren't you selling that sweet, sweet electricity to your local grid and solving the world's energy problems?
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Bah, they should just switch to Vendetta Online instead.
Phillip.
Given the EVE attitude... (Score:5, Insightful)
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I'm somewhat inclined to wonder if this is just part of some terrifyingly value-rational spreadsheet junkie's byzantine plan to manipulate the market in refined-fictionalonium futures or something of the sort...
Honestly, that was my first thought as well.
There's so much metagaming going on in EVE... I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out this was all some plot to gain in-game advantage.
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Probably a Titan went offline during the DDoS and they are going to tackle him as soon as the game returns.
Though anyone who loses a titan to anything less than a cap fleet is a moron...just log and ask alliance to secure the system for you...
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I doubt the Sony connection (Score:4, Insightful)
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Nothing to do with Sony (Score:3, Informative)
This has to do with their Twitter feed. They were asking people for suggestions on who to aim for. Someone called in and must have requested Eve online. They stated they intended to take down the login server, but it also accidentally took down the webserver.
Here's their offer: http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/80675710246723584
Here's their following post with the result: http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/80681360292978688
Looks like they also took down the minecraft login server, escapistmagazine's web server, and finfisher's web server (some IS company?). They're calling it TitanicTakeoverTuesday.
The real news (Score:2)
Is that Dust514 is going to be PS3 exclusive!
I mean WTF? lets be honest here, 360 has the better online community, and after the month long PS3 network downtime, they still want to make this game exclusive with Sony?
I was seriously thinking of picking up this game, but if its PS3 only, there is no chance regardless of how "amazing" the game is.
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Have a link to back that up? I have not seen a single source that was direct from CCP mentioning that information.
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I don't read the dev blog or anything like that, but others in corp who do stated the same thing. It must have been some kind of announcement recently.
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It wasn't just that. It was also that Sony was willing to relax their policies and negotiate with CCP.
Neither vanilla Live or vanilla PSN was suitable for CCP to run Dust 514.
And since MS doesn't allow Live players on the 360 to interact with network players from the PC or PS3 going with 360 would pretty much nix any future of CCP releasing a PC version of Dust 514.
PS3 was the only platform to launch it on because of MS's stubbornness. I also doubt they will add PC for Dust 514 anyway. There exists the risk
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Which was a first person shooter thus being one of the most monumentally stupid games to champion the Live crossplay between 360 and PC.
The game was also purposefully written with locks to prevent it from working on XP, which were later hacked out and the game did indeed run just fine on XP.
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It was a "Windows Live" game, not a general PC title. Also was developed by Microsoft, so it's not a great case. Microsoft simply won't allow a cross-network game if part of that network involves PSN customers. At least, that's their current policy.
It's almost a law that the current console market leader is going to be really dickish toward developers. Nintendo was during it's early heyday, and so was Sony (you'd be amazed at the change of attitude when developing a PS2 vs a PSP title). MS is currently
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I don't recall any instances of Xbox Live ever being down for weeks + losing lots of customer information.
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PS3 was never really picked years ago... it was always discussed with both consoles in mind, of course if they needed a custom setup, its more obvious that PS3 would have been chosen over 360.
I think we also all know that there is no chance they would release on PC as well as a console... If they did, all the contracts would be going to PC players and not console players... Only the top 5% - 10% of console players would even have a chance.
TY for the link dyinobal.
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They could release a PC version of the game, however, they would need to segment those players somehow for balancing purposes.
Instead of having just one planetary battle, have two or more, one (or more) being console vs console, and another one (or more) being PC vs PC. I don't see why this wouldn't work, planets are huge, there could be multiple planetary battles going on at the same time. Instead of one battle deciding the outcome, multiple planetary battles simultaneously decide the outcome, maybe havi
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PS3 was selected at the time because it was the most popular out there and now a couple of years later, it isn't.
The PS3 has never been the most popular, so that argument is fucking stupid.
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Generally, no, with one exception: XBox or 360 to PC. The XBox and it's successor use the DirectX API for games, just the same as on Windows, which makes porting much easier. This is by design - Microsoft knew it'd make the XBox more attractive to developers if they were able to easily sell the game game to both console and PC gamer markets without having to do extensive porting.
The PS3 is notoriously difficult to port, due to it's unu
At this point (Score:2)
they seem to be a quite energetic group of hacktivists.
A possible reason... (Score:2)
Maybe they're just doing it for the lulz?
After a shitty day (Score:5, Funny)
of writing shitty code... for a shitty company... surrounded by shitty coworkers... who think I am just as shitty as they are (haha bitches you are wrong I am NOT as shitty!).... and getting in a shitty traffic jam....
I just want to go home, take a shit, wipe, and play a dumb space game (that eerily reminds me of Microsoft Excel in some ways) and unwind.
Is that so much to ask? But no, the cocks have to be themselves.
Dangerous (Score:2)
These attacks by LulzSec, Anonymous, et. al. remind me of the old Twilight Zone episode "It's a Good Life [wikimedia.org]". In that episode, a child with godlike mental powers causes untold misery when, without understanding, he compels the residents of a small Ohio town to conform to his whim. Likewise, these hacktivist groups wield previously-unknown power, and they use to capriciously destroy whatever offends their ego, whimsy, or underdeveloped sense of justice. In the process, they not only hurt innocent bystanders no
Re:Dangerous (Score:5, Insightful)
They are legion. They do not forgive. They do not forget. They do not plan. They do not show restraint. They do not not choose their battles. They do not help.
They are juveniles. They are irresponsible. They have social issues. They are only brave because they are anonymous. They would sob like a girl if they actually got caught and put in prison.
Youthful Foolishness (Score:2)
LulzSec is destroying any benefit that groups like Anonymous might provide. I could get behind, or at least understand acts done in the name of social justice. Fighting despotic regimes, exposing fraud, supporting the little guys' struggle against the corporations, etc.. But a bunch of "me too" juveniles on a power trip indiscriminately attacking for the sake of amusement is dishonorable and destroying any support the public, even governments might have had for Anonymous type groups. No one in a positio
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It will be interesting to see the "Eve Online Protection Legislation". You are a bit like those that say RMS is destroying Linux, because his extremist views are off-putting to the business community. Well whether you agree with him or not you can't shut him up. You might scream that these kids hacking high-profile web sites are ruining the good work of Anonymous, but they are NOT Anonymous and nobody has any control over them.
Stop running scared. LulzSec will probably trip up at some point, and they will h
KGB treatment (Score:2, Insightful)
haha...bad target to pick on (Score:2)
Do you have any idea who plays EVE? These guys didn't think it through when they considered this target. The EVE player base getting pissed at them is probably one of most dangerous player bases a game has out there. Measure the learning curve of EVE, then contrast it to other MMOs. EVE is global, on one server. They have nationality factions. Military types playing it. People who work IT. LulzSec will be lolToAsT I suspect very soon.
White Wolf gone too (Score:2)
Since CCP Games is the owner of White Wolf Publishing (makers of RPGs like Vampire), a number of White Wolf's sites have gone down as well.
Main site: http://www.white-wolf.com/ [white-wolf.com]
Open development/info site for the 20th anniversary of Vampire: http://www.vampirethemasquerade.com/ [vampirethemasquerade.com]
Site for the annual World of Darkness fan convention: http://www.thegrandmasquerade.com/ [thegrandmasquerade.com]
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They already reported on the Senate hack, and failed to report that "lulz" is about schadenfreude rather than laughing out loud.
Re:Keep going, LulzSec (Score:5, Insightful)
This is important. People poke fun at that one report that referred to lulz as "a corruption of LOL," but it really is, both in the linguistic sense and a wider philosophical one. It's not just about having fun, but specifically having fun at someone else's expense. Or, in a word, bullying.
Actually, now that I think about it, I'm going to have to stop using the term. A shame, that, because it really is fun to say.
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Lulz doesn't mean bullying, it means schadenfreude (sp?). Nothing wrong with using it in the correct context.
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Certainly in the UK, no change in the law is required. They can already be jailed under the Computer Misuse Act.
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"Just wait until the mainstream media (sic[sic]: Fox)"
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Re:Bad Idea. (Score:5, Informative)
Considering they once took it so seriously they were going to cut the power to the home of a pilot of a Titan ship in game to keep him from logging on, I don't think it's that far of a stretch to avoid pissing off some of the russian players.
Not BS either, see: http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/65475/page/3 [tentonhammer.com]
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This needs to stop. I can't wait for long prison sentences for all of the people involved in this.
Yes, they are terrible, you cant play fav game or check out some website. The world is ending
Re:What.the.fuck. (Score:5, Insightful)
Did you know Goldman Sachs was just demonstrating the insecurity of the American financial system? Get your head out of your ass and look around at the world. You are at the mercy of everybody, and the only way to stop this kind of behavior is through social pressure which will come in the form of being able to identify internet users. Get ready to talk about the good old days when you didn't get raped at an airport and the government didn't ID you before you could log in to the internet. And what were you saying at the time? "Good! I'm glad people are assholes and we can't trust each other. It just shows how much we can't trust each other."
It was inevitable but don't fool yourself in to thinking it is a good thing.
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Nice. I miss BoB, and they would still be around if Goons didn't get help from NC and Test (though test is a postion of former Goons)
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(though test is a postion of former Goons)
I blame spellcheck...was supposed to be portion, not position...
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DDoS doesn't reveal insecurity in computer systems, and apparently that's all they're doing to EVE and Minecraft.
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For some of their previous attacks - like exposing when companies left their users passwords relatively unprotected - I might agree.
A DDOS is pretty lame, though, since anyone with large resources can DOS sites targeting small audiences just by exceeding their server capacity.
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A DDOS is pretty lame, though, since anyone with large resources can DOS sites targeting small audiences just by exceeding their server capacity.
Lame and easy since CCP uses one M$ SQL server for website/forums AND the game itself.
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DDoS has nothing to do with secure sites. Overloading a server with bogus requests doesn't break into the server.
You seem to have disqualified yourself.
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he offered me free candy (Score:2)
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IIRC the name comes from Lulz + Security.