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Does the job for most situations that require any form of ID.
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Same here. A driver's license is pretty much mandatory for anything. (Driving of course, but some stores require a DL when paying something expensive with a credit card.)
I also have a work ID to open doors at work. I just keep it in my wallet.
I am a foreigner so I also have a passport and an ID from my country. But I almost never carry them with me.
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Depends on the state. Thanks to the draconian immigration law in Alabama even if you're a citizen of the US but happen to be of foreign ethnicity (i.e. Germam, Japanese, Hispanic, Indian, etc.) the officer has the power to detain you until you can produce proof of your citizenship.
Law enforcement in the state hate the law and have showed their displeasure by detaining executives of foreign owned plants who are caught visiting without their passport and VISA on their person. The executives are good natured
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It allows for the detention of anyone who is not a naturalized or natural-born citizen if they do not have documents on their person providing proof that they are in the country legally. That's the legal definition of "foreign," as it relates to natural persons. Naturalized or natural born people could be detained if they don't have ID on them, until the point they can prove their identity. This is more likely with a naturalized citizen who has a heavy accent, though I doubt it would be difficult for an off
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and some of us also carry their SCUBA certification card with photo... OK, at least I do. If I don't keep it on me, I always forget it when I do go to dive.
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Don't forget your concealed-carry license!
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Or if you live in an anti-freedom socialist wasteland like Canada, your worthless PAL! :)
Re:Yeah. (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm a new Icelandic immigrant, so I'm one of the (currently) only 9 people in the "6-10" group: a passport, US driver's license, atvinnuleyfi (work permit) card (linked to my kennitala), work badge (RFID chipped, tied to my kennitala, and with a visible photo), and a Landsbankinn visa card and bank card which, as is standard here, both function as photo IDs and are chipped and tied to my kennitala. A kennitala is the Icelandic equivalent of a social security number, except it's fully public and *everything* is linked to it in a big public database. So, for example, I go to buy a refrigerator, the cashier asks me for my kennitala, I give it and up pops my name, phone number, home address, etc, so they know where to deliver it, how to reach me, etc.
It sounds weird and maybe a bit Big Brother-y to most Americans, but it's precisely because the info is so public that it works. Nobody is dumb enough to basically treat a kennitala as a "password" like people do with a SSN, so they're forced to use real security where security is needed - and if people start doing stuff that affects you while pretending to be you using your kennitala, you get mailed about it and can remedy the problem immediately (including if they try to change your mailing address). And it's really convenient, too.
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Do you actually have to carry all that stuff? or do you just find it easier to keep it on you all the time?
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Could probably leave the passport and maybe the atvinnuleyfi card at home. Just feel better having them on me in case any questions ever come up with law enforcement officials for god-knows-what reason. As for the rest, I use my work badge daily, obviously I want my bank and credit card, and obviously I need my drivers' license.
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... and obviously I need my drivers' license.
Er, wait, why is that "obvious"...? [Ok, maybe in Texas, but...]
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Because I drive?
My US license is valid here for six months.
Re:Yeah. (Score:5, Funny)
"work badge (RFID chipped, tied to my kennitala ..."
"A kennitala is the Icelandic equivalent of a social security number,"
Whew! For a second, I thought it was part of your anatomy.
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Heh, I thought it was a portmanteau for keychain and genitalia to describe that dangly little badge holder that clips onto your belt... I'm actually kind of disappointed that it's not.
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... (linked to my kennitala)...kennitala...kennitala...kennitala...kennitala...kennitala...kennitala
Okay, dude - we get it! You're proud of your kennitalia!
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> card (linked to my kennitala)
am I the only one who read that all wrong???
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I needed a photo ID with my kennitala to open a bank account. And of course info about the account being opened up was mailed to the address that popped up from the kennitala search by the bank. If some cashier tried to do that, and made a fake ID of me somehow (IDs here are chipped, by the way, making counterfeiting harder), I'd find out that it had happened within a day or two and could easily remedy it before any damage was done, and the cashier would almost certainly be caught.
The problem with the US
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I don't think you can say any state that has legalized donkey shows has "failed."
I only have... (Score:2)
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Cowboy Neal (Score:5, Funny)
Cowboy Neal carries my photo IDs.
Passport (Score:2)
My passport is the only valid ID I have... I usually keep it in my backpack so I have identification. My wallet has my Oregon state ID that expired in 1996, and sometimes that works when I need to show ID.
The two I legally need to have to go about my day (Score:3)
Drivers License - to legally operate a car
Concealed Carry Permit - to legally carry a firearm concealed
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Where can I get these 'bear arms'? They would look so freakin' cool on my wall!!!
Re:The two I legally need to have to go about my d (Score:5, Funny)
Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
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So when the bad guy shoots you for having a gun, he knows what house he can go and rob.
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I wonder what happens when you remove members of the military, police officers, and other dangerous weapon carrying jobs from that statistic.
Might as well say...
The single greatest thing you can do to increase your odds of running into criminals on a daily basis is to carry handcuffs.
Re:The two I legally need to have to go about my d (Score:5, Interesting)
And the single biggest thing you can do to increase your odds of dying in a plane crash is fly on a plane. Except it's much, much more likely for an unarmed person to get shot than to have a plane crash into your house. You're an idiot.
Nope. Is more likely for an armed person to get shot (accidentally or not).... by his own gun. Also many more chances for criminals to obtain a new gun.
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Is more likely for an armed person to get shot (accidentally or not).... by his own gun. Also many more chances for criminals to obtain a new gun.
Thus reducing the population of criminals!
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Yes, because the majority of non homicidal gun deaths are suicides...
Given that people in gun-banning countries manage to find plenty of other ways to kill themselves, I'm not sure that's a useful statistic.
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I feel sorry for you, living in constant fear, so afraid that you feel the need to carry a gun. I'm lucky to live in a country where you can go almost everywhere without being paranoid that anyone around you is a criminal with the ability to hurt you from ten meters away.
Now, if you ex
Yes, but... (Score:2)
If you own a car, you can use it to get somewhere. One would assume ability to get places outweighs risk of an accident.
If you own a gun, you can use it to defend yourself. One would not assume a greater chance of getting shot with the gun is worth a lesser chance of preventing yourself from getting shot by another gun (or severe harm befalling you in some other way.)
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One would not assume a greater chance of getting shot with the gun is worth a lesser chance of preventing yourself from getting shot by another gun (or severe harm befalling you in some other way.)
However, deterring criminal activity is a social good, which might induce altruistic citizens to carry concealed weapons despite their increased personal risk.
Not to mention additional freedom; the fact that I CAN walk into a shooting range and run through a box of ammo if I feel like it might well be worth the chance that I'll be careless and hurt myself.
Re:The two I legally need to have to go about my d (Score:5, Funny)
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Say there's a 50% chance that you can out-shoot the bad guy, but carrying a gun makes you 10x more likely to get shot. In this case you're 5x more likely as a result of carrying "protection".
say there's a 42% chance that all statistics are made up on the spot. And at least a 37% chance that these statistics are not among them. I've increased the size of your strawman 10x, which makes it roughly equal to 1/3 the size of the moon.
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"If you have a loaded weapon in the house then the most likely person to get killed by it is one of your family members."
YOU or one of your family members (not just the family members). To be exact, I think it's "someone living in the household" i.e. including roommates, bf/gf, etc.
Criminals on the other hand are usually deterred by the mere presence of an armed homeowner, and even when shots are fired, the chances of death are small.
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To be fair, you are assuming the generalization applies to the poster.
Averages are just that... they include the people who are very likely to get shot with their own firearms (or people in their household who are) and those very not likely to get shot with same.
Averages are a reasonable basis for public policy. They are not necessarily how one should run ones life.
I'm more likely to get killed by a construction accident walking out the front door than I am by one of my various blades. The same will be true
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Assuming he lives in the US, it is his right to do so. If we don't regularly exercise our rights, we often find ourselves in situations where they are no longer our rights.
Personally, I have never even fired a gun, but I feel safer with people legitimately carrying them. (warning, cliche) If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have them. I like the fact that a criminal should to be aware that he might not be the only one with a
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Assuming he lives in the united states is not enough. It is not legal in all 50 states to carry a concealed weapon. Furthermore, state laws governing where he can go with the weapon vary from state to state as well. Some buisnesses have a no conceled weapon policy as do most schools. Stictly speaking the act of carrying a concealed weapon is not a right. It is permitted under certain circumstances governed by law, hence the need for a permit.
Re:The two I legally need to have to go about my d (Score:5, Informative)
Assuming he lives in the united states is not enough. It is not legal in all 50 states to carry a concealed weapon
It's a reasonable assumption though. There is only one state (Illinois) in the US which completely outlaws concealed carry. The other 49 states all have some variation of concealed carry law in place. I'll grant that in places like California, New York or Hawaii it's difficult to obtain one unless you're wealthy or have the right friends, but many of us live in more enlightened states with "shall-issue" laws in effect.
As for businesses and schools, you simply have to be aware of the laws of your state and behave accordingly. I don't carry on school property and I've stopped doing business with companies which choose to disallow carrying on their premises. It's really not that complicated.
Re:The two I legally need to have to go about my d (Score:5, Insightful)
adds more to the discussion than many of the posts do.
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It's also BS as it assumes the only way to confront evil is with the immediate and direct threat of violence.
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It's also BS as it assumes the only way to confront evil is with the immediate and direct threat of violence.
I would posit that to be a true assumption. It does require a deffinition of evil though. An evil man can not be reasoned with, without the use of force. If you can reason with them, they are not evil.
Personally, if I or my family is threatened, I will not stop to see if I can reason with them... I will simply shoot.
Re:The two I legally need to have to go about my d (Score:4, Informative)
I can think of a few more reasons why it's BS:
1) it assumes that there is such a thing as universal evil. The real world is not so black and white. It's not even shades of grey.
2) it shows an utter unwillingness to see things from another perspective. (My evil is not your evil)
3) It's a bully statement. Negotiation is not domination.
4) It induces a weapons race (communists are evil!)
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"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Col. Jeff Cooper
Tell that to the student who stood in front of the tanks in Tiananmen Square.
Tell that to Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
Tell that to anyone who's stood up to evil, armed only with their convictions and courage.
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The tank drivers were, evidently, not evil. Their bosses? Yeah, probably.
But when push came to shove, the tank drivers and gunners, being actual people, did the semi right thing, and did not obey their orders from above and simply drive over the guy.
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Tell that to the thousands of people who are shot by robbers because they refused to hand over their wallet.
Anecdotal, and doesn't address the question of the number, but there have been a number of stories in the Milwaukee paper the last year or so about robberies where the stuff got handed over and the thug shot the victim anyway. Take that for what it's worth in the context of this discussion.
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and I've stopped doing business with companies which choose to disallow carrying on their premises.
Well now, I think *I* would be the one who stopped doing business with YOU if you feel the need to carry a firearm into MY business.
Tip: The 'wild west' was in the 1800's...
Re:The two I legally need to have to go about my d (Score:4, Insightful)
You're right - it's not there. To say "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means that there is no part that says "except if you can hide it under your shirt."
Where in the statement "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" do you see anything limiting free speech?
How about in "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized" where does it say "except for if we want to put a GPS tracker on your car, because it's parked on the street in front of your house, rather than in the garage" ?
Why is the Second Amendment allowed to be limited when the others are off limits?
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So you're saying people with CC permits commit felonies are dangerous thugs who trample on the rights of anyone who attracts their attention and like to shoot dogs?
Cops are the worst criminals out there. When a regular criminal commits a murder they get a trial, when a cop does it they get a medal.
Go ahead mod me down, I have excellent karma.
Re:The two I legally need to have to go about my d (Score:5, Funny)
Drivers License - to legally operate a car Concealed Carry Permit - to legally carry a firearm concealed
And you need to carry a firearm why?
Sometimes they dodge the car.
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Whats need got to do with it? As garret points out below, its a right here in the US and in a few other nations. Do you need to justify a need to exercise your other rights?
If I was going someplace where I *knew* I needed a gun, I either wouldn't go there or I'd bring a rifle.
A small, but statistically significant, portion of society doesn't abide by the law or any cultural social contract. They will use force and lethal force to get what they want. Why should I and other peaceful law-abiding people be disa
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They will use force and lethal force
NEVER have I encountered something like that in my life.
Ignorance is bliss
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Interesting contrast, he said "Need to", you said "Get to".
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Seriously, dude, the gun can only escalate the problem. If you're armed you will be shot at.
This might be situationally true, but is provably not true as a blanket statement. Both parts.
There are mountains of verifiable cases where the simple display of a firearm ended a crime in progress.
Here's just the most recent I'm aware of: http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/conceal-and-carry-stabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx [abc4.com]
Criminal stabs people, bystander pulls firearm and do
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Hypothetical situation: You're a passenger in a car. Unbeknownst to you, the driver has a firearm in the glovebox. For some reason, he gets pulled over and the car gets searched. They find the firearm. Even though you deny it's yours, you both get cuffed and charged with concealing a weapon. With the concealed carry permit, your charges are dropped as soon as you show it to the arresting officer. Without it, you face a potential visit to the jail and a legal fight on your hands to get the charges dropped.
I don't know if i buy that.
Aren't you still on the hook for failing to inform the officer you were carrying? And if you do things your way, doesn't getting released require admitting that you were carrying the gun and opening yourself up to explaining any shadiness related to said gun.
The simple fact is, holding a CCP gives you more rights than someone without one. Assuming everyone with a CCP is carrying, or even wants to carry a weapon, is a foolish view.
Interesting. I had never considered someone would get a concealed carry permit without intent to carry.
Re:The two I legally need to have to go about my d (Score:5, Interesting)
Interesting. I had never considered someone would get a concealed carry permit without intent to carry.
The 3 picture ID I have in my wallet are drivers license, student ID, and CCP.
If I'm out of the house with a firearm, it's in a locked case in my trunk, and I'm either on my way home from purchasing said firearm or on my way to or from the range. So why the CCP?
Why not? My state also has different low- and high-capacity licensing. Sure, I could go to the range with only revolvers or small-capacity pistols. But I figured, I'm going through the application process, background checks, etc., might as well cover all the bases. So I went for concealed-carry, high-capacity, the full monty.
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Interesting. I had never considered someone would get a concealed carry permit without intent to carry.
The permit has some more bonus features. As an example it reduces the required waiting time when buying a new gun in some states.
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Interesting. I had never considered someone would get a concealed carry permit without intent to carry.
I never use it, but I have a concealed carry permit for three reasons:
1. When transporting, where I can legally store the gun is no longer at the discretion of the cops. Otherwise it has to be "out of reach", and that might be the back seat for one cop, or the trunk for another cop. And my car doesn't have a trunk.
2. If I get pulled over, their in-car computer will flash "Concealed Carry Holder!!" on the screen when they run my tags. If a cop has pulled me over on the side of a busy highway, endang
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I don't understand this. If the driver (your friend) does not have a CCP he is violating the law, whether or not you have one, and I can certainly imagine scenarios where you can still get in trouble, they could claim you encouraged your friend to carry illegally. If he does have a CCP then I don't see how there is any problem at all. Are you suggesting that if you have the CCP you claim the gun is yours just to get your friend off the hook? What if the weapon was later found to have been used in a crime?
Th
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How do you think he gets the car?
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You need a concealed carry permit to have a hunting rifle? Isn't that a little difficult to conceal?
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Do they have to be mine? (Score:5, Funny)
If it's just my photo ID, then 0.
If I include IDs of clueless German and Asian tourists, then it's between 5 and 20 depending on the day.
Sincerely,
That guy with sunglasses who hangs out on the subway platform at rush hour
3 Cards (Score:2)
Drivers License
Security Card to get into work ( okay, I don't carry it, I keep it in my car so I don't forget it )
ATM card
- if your bank doesn't offer this, nag them. If you lose cards at all this will shut people down looking to go on a spending spree with your card.
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ATM card - if your bank doesn't offer this, nag them. If you lose cards at all this will shut people down looking to go on a spending spree with your card.
In what way will your photo on an ATM card stop a thief using your card to retrieve money from an ATM? Do ATMs have facial recognition where you live?
True. Also, very rarely does the cashier even touch my card, much less look at the back. Usually it's just swipe and choose credit or debit. Doubtful the picture is very useful except against very large purchases.
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Where I live, the Northeast United States, many ATM cards are combination ATM/Debit/Credit cards. You use the card to make all of your purchases, not just ATM transactions. You use it like a credit card, so someone picking it up or stealing it doesn't need to know your PIN. Your picture on the card prevents this from happening as your picture does not look like the person making unauthorized use of your card.
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Assumiing it shows an expiration date, your work ID would work for complying with the USAPATRIOT act, if used with a non-photo ID such as a Social Security card to meet its two forms of ID rule, with one a current photo ID. Work IDs are specifically listed. That's about as "PHOTO ID" as it gets, backed by a law with $10,000 or year in prison penalties possible to support the definition, but this is slashdot, so some idiot AC will doubtless continue to argue with the point.
Japan: legally required to have an ID at all time (Score:5, Interesting)
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I used to go to college in japan, and have spent weeks at a time there visiting friends etc.
I've been stopped 4x for ID checks, including bicycling while white. This was all in the Tokyo area, never had any issues elsewhere.
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actually that is the same in the US....
Really? There was an uproar in my county in Virginia when they passed a law requiring proof of residency for people suspected of committing crimes. What? That wasn't already the case?! Anyways, it caused an exodus of illegal immigrants and brought on complaints from the civil rights people claiming it was unfair.
Not quite official... (Score:3)
DL (Score:3)
Days when I know I won't be getting behind the wheel, I prefer to be unidentified. More fun that way.
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Ha! I have you beat! I carry two driver's licenses!
My driver's license expired this year and I had to get a new picture done. The picture on my old license came out really well. The new one? Not so much. So I keep the old one and show it and, if anyone remarks that it's expired, I show them the new one.
The ego is such as fragile thing... :^D
As an aside, I was traveling recently and showed my expired drivers license to the TSA agent. He looked it over and there was no problem. But just in case, I use
Photo ID or Governmental Photo ID? (Score:5, Funny)
Personal most interesting use of an alternate ID: I was at a conference in Redmond a couple of years ago and got a visitor pass to the Microsoft store. When I went to purchase some stuff, they asked me for photo ID. I asked them "What kind of photo ID do you need?". They said, "Anything with your picture on it." I showed them my Six Flags season pass and it was a done deal...
More than 10... (Score:2)
With several different names.
Don't carry but don't refuse, either (Score:2)
Under normal circumstances, I don't carry any photo ID on me. My drivers license is in my wallet which is in my car. My work ID I only carry from the car to the door to unlock it, at which point it sits on my desk all day unless I need to get in to a secure area. So I don't really carry any photo ID on me under normal circumstances.
That said, due to a situation my brother and his friends were in many years ago, my comment regarding carrying ID is as follows:
If the police want to identify the carcass, they
Zero (Score:3, Informative)
Here in Britain the only photo ID I have is my driving licence and my passport, and I never carry either, to avoid losing them.
The only time I was pulled over by the police I was given a "producer" - 24 hrs to show my licence at a police station; my passport is only for going on holiday.
I suppose that's why government talk of ID cards causes such debate over here.
ID I carry (Score:2)
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four (Score:2)
driver's license, work id, old college id (i still live in the same city, it's sometimes handy for getting into alumni events), and "passport card" (the thing that lets you drive into canada or mexico). (i'm not really sure why i carry that last--i think it may be a carryover from a year i spent living abroad a couple years back when having unambiguous proof of US citizenship on me at all times seemed like a good idea.)
a faceless employee (Score:2)
My badge used to have my picture on it, but it came off on the plastic cover that broke and I had to replace.
Here we do not lack of photo IDs (Score:2)
- ID card (one of the only officially accepted means of ID besides passport)
- Work access badge (to go to work)
- Public transport pass (to take public transport everyday)
- Driving license (mandatory if driving)
- Social security card (if I need to drop by a drug dispensary)
- Railcard (which I could probably leave at home most of the times, but then I'd probably forget it when
Re:Pointless answer categories (Score:5, Funny)
Expecting poll options to give a useful or even sensible breakdown? You must be new here.
Heck, be lucky it's not
1-10
100-100,000 *
More than 100,000
Even more than that
Fewer than zero
Photography is against my religion, you insensitive clod!
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6 fingers are the dominant mutation. According to the wiki, there was someone born with 34 digits
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Perhaps it's to milk drivers for even more money than they get from the stealth speed cameras, or perhaps it's a canny way to reduce the paperwork overhead that the "producer" system would entail.
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AFAIK the current requirement in Victoria, Australia, is that you must be carrying your license on your person if you are behind the wheel of a car. I believe the police have the discretion to ask you to present within 24 hours, but you can still be fined.
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In Victoria, you must carry your licence while driving if you are under 26 years old. If you are older, then you have 7 days to produce it. This has been the case since 2007, and I only just found out about it now.
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I generally carry my driver's license, my work ID and a Working With Children Check ID (I used to work on school premises). All three have a photo.
Ironically the WWC has the longest expiry date of all of them, but every job I've applied for in recent times have required a recent (12months or less) police check, which is less stringent than the WWCC.