Brazil's Top Court Says X Paid Pending Fines to Wrong Bank (reuters.com) 83
An anonymous reader shared this report from Reuters:
Brazil's Supreme Court said on Friday that lawyers representing social media platform X did not pay pending fines to the proper bank, postponing its decision on whether to allow the tech firm to resume services in Brazil.
The payment of the fines, which X lawyers argued that the company had paid correctly, is the only outstanding measure demanded by the court in order to authorize X to operate again in Brazil... Earlier on Friday, X, owned by billionaire Elon Musk, filed a fresh request to have its services restored in Brazil, saying it had paid all pending fines. In response to the request, Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes requested the payment to be transferred to the right bank. He also determined that once fines are sorted out, Brazil's prosecutor general will give his opinion on the recent requests made by X's legal team in Brazil, which has been seeking to have the platform restored in the country.
Following Moraes' decision on Friday, X lawyers again asked the court for authorization to resume operations in Brazil, denying that the company had paid the fines to the wrong account and saying they do not see the need for the prosecutor general to be consulted before the ban is lifted.
The payment of the fines, which X lawyers argued that the company had paid correctly, is the only outstanding measure demanded by the court in order to authorize X to operate again in Brazil... Earlier on Friday, X, owned by billionaire Elon Musk, filed a fresh request to have its services restored in Brazil, saying it had paid all pending fines. In response to the request, Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes requested the payment to be transferred to the right bank. He also determined that once fines are sorted out, Brazil's prosecutor general will give his opinion on the recent requests made by X's legal team in Brazil, which has been seeking to have the platform restored in the country.
Following Moraes' decision on Friday, X lawyers again asked the court for authorization to resume operations in Brazil, denying that the company had paid the fines to the wrong account and saying they do not see the need for the prosecutor general to be consulted before the ban is lifted.
Scammers delight (Score:5, Funny)
Someone sent X an email saying our bank account details changed and they didn't check first
ROFLMAO
Re: Scammers delight (Score:3)
It was, probably, sent as a tweet on X
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It was, probably, sent as a tweet on X
Obviously. Factual information. Instant ban. No excuse.
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So someone now have $5.2 million that they aren't really entitled to.
Re:Scammers delight (Score:4, Insightful)
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Very very interesting, off-topic but very interesting indeed.
This kind of suppression of evidence has to be a criminal matter rather than a civil matter? LOCK 'IM UP.
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Could we not just put it in as a story... oh wait, it's already there [slashdot.org].. and like discuss it normally? Or have we lost faith in the editors to read that and publish? They don't do it instantly and never have. Give them a few hours?
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This is the new Slashdot, twice or not at all.
Mistakes happen (Score:5, Informative)
Musk is busy campaigning with Trump [nytimes.com], so his minions are a bit out of control.
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He will always be Chanadler Bong to me.
HEY! That's Misses Chanandaller Bong!
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Not that anyone said anything to the contrary, but you've been triggered, so let me assure both Musk and you: Being an idiot in public isn't illegal. It's a free country.
Re:Mistakes happen (Score:5, Interesting)
The story is literally about Brazil's censorship of X.
You mean the same, exact censorship Leon rolled over for in Turkey [imgur.com]? The one he unequivocally made excuses for?
Re:Mistakes happen (Score:5, Informative)
Not that anyone said anything to the contrary, but you've been triggered, so let me assure both Musk and you: Being an idiot in public isn't illegal. It's a free country.
The story is literally about Brazil's censorship of X.
A company Musk literally bought to implement his version of free speech.
And now Musk is jumping around and campaigning for a guy who routinely threatens to use the power of the state to go after media organizations that criticize him, and shut down social media that moderates him and generally restricts free speech [aclu.org].
So beyond the incompetent leadership (wrong bank account) Musk is being deeply hypocritical.
And you hate Musk
And for well justified reasons, if he's the tipping point that gives Trump a second term then he'll more than undo all the good he's done with EVs and revitalizing the space industry.
Re:Mistakes happen (Score:5, Interesting)
So ... you are in favor of Brazil's censorship of X, because you hate Musk. Thank you.
Wow.... you've got some "creative" reading comprehension.
Lets break it down a bit:
1) I do believe nations have the right to enforce their own laws, including censorship in some cases, these laws are not always just. For instance, I don't know the full details of the stuff Brazil wanted censored, but I'm deeply skeptical of Turkey's and India's requests.
2) My chief charge against Musk in this matter is that he's a dishonest hypocrtic. Now only has he been more than happy to use the power of his platform to enforce his own speech preferences (not censorship, even though he's claimed it as such in the past). But he's been happy to implement actual censorship when requested by far right figures.
3) He's openly campaigning for Trump, who is actually trying to restrict the first amendment, which is supposedly one of the core free speech codes that Musk believes in.
Re: Mistakes happen (Score:4, Informative)
So youâ(TM)re only suspicious about what you perceive to be censorship laws if it is in a religiously oriented democracy but not in a socialist dictatorship.
The Brazillian accounts blocked were associated with a literal coup attempt [wikipedia.org]. So yeah, I think there's some legitimate justification for stopping those trying to end Democracy in the nation.
In Turkie it was blocking political critics of a government accused of turning authoritarian [vanityfair.com]. So yeah, I'm deeply suspicious.
Honestly, Musk's pattern seems to be that censorship is only justifiable if you're trying to attack democracy, not defend it.
Re: Mistakes happen (Score:4, Insightful)
In Brazil it was also blocking political critics of a government accused of turning authoritarian. There was no "literal coup attempt", people protested, as they do a lot in Turkey or the US as well, Democrats often "attempt a coup" as you would call it by storming the capitol: https://www.politico.com/story... [politico.com] or will even bomb it in the attempted coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] and https://www.history.com/this-d... [history.com]
Really? Which of the 7 accounts were just political critics?
Otherwise, good to know that you think a forceful invasion of the legislature with the express purpose of installing a different executive isn't a coup.
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Honestly.... I can't believe that you actually believe what you're writing. I'm not even sure why you're writing it, you're obviously not going to convince me, do you think you'll engage me in some kind of rhetorical jiu jitsu and feel like a champion?
Re: Mistakes happen (Score:4)
Ah yes, I don't believe you so you should censor yourself.
No, you're being a disingenuous idiot, so you should moderate yourself. You're comparing mobs that tried to overturn the results of an election with protesters who pushed into a legislators office advocating for a particular policy goal. Why would you even bother? Do you think just be posting a link I'm obliged to rebut or you win?
Great tactic there Goebbels.
Wow... that might be the lamest instance of Godwin's law that I've seen. What's next? Calling parents who vaccinate their children Dr Mengele?
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When you boil it down, either they're both mobs trying to overturn something, whether that is elected law or elected officials. You're saying protest from one side is bad, but not from the other side. Protests are often violent, see BLM riots that burned down Minneapolis, probably a lot worse than a few tourists in a tourist attraction.
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Mod parent sadly informative. The orange albatross with three right wings is gonna crash. The only questions are when and how much collateral damage. Trying to milk the latest hurricane deaths for political advantage is especially EVIL.
My votes for the crash? ASAP and with Musk on board.
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Didn't buy any chance fire the admin who'd validate the transaction did he?
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Musk is busy campaigning with Trump [nytimes.com], so his minions are a bit out of control.
Uh-huh... Accident.
Sure it was "accidentally" sent to the wrong account... It's not Musk trying one last trick to thumb his nose at the law.
someone has to say it (Score:3)
Wasn't this in HHGTTG? (Score:2)
Re: Wasn't this in HHGTTG? (Score:2)
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They're not misinformed - there are people here who root for the censorship of their political opposition, same as Morales.
They serve the totalitarian goals of the people saying they need to destroy Democracy to save Democracy.
It happens every time - in a vain attempt to be one of the "winners", regardless of outcome.
"But I was on your side!" /
"Turn around and face the wall."
Ideally we could all learn from history. Apparently not.
The mask has come off (Score:3)
This is completely true, we have a lot of people now saying the first amendment needs modifications so they can censor people they think are wrong, including Hillary Clinton who said "we lose total control" if they don't do this. Problem is a lot of people only ever supported the first amendment because it was helpful to them at the time.
Re:His royal highness (Score:5, Informative)
Seriously though, have you people read about what has been going on there (apart from the X thing, though that is of a piece with it all)? Not good.
Yes. Bolsonaro wanted to use the military to keep himself in power [apnews.com]. The people, in a democratic election, said no and elected someone who prefers freedom over a dictator. In fact, after the democratic election, Bolsonaro supporters stormed the capital [cnn.com] and destroyed government property.
Any more quetions?
Re: His royal highness (Score:1, Flamebait)
Yes, how did the current President get to power despite being convicted on corruption charges, who were the people that decided the election despite legal challenges.
If the elections were so straight and secure and honest, why does the current government want to remove any criticism? The best answer to lies is the truth, censorship just proves you have something to hide.
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Yes, how did the current President get to power despite being convicted on corruption charges, who were the people that decided the election despite legal challenges.
The case against Lula began to collapse as Wikipedia tells us (with reference to sources):
On 9 June 2019, The Intercept published leaked Telegram messages between the judge in Lula's case, Sergio Moro, and the Operation Car Wash lead prosecutor, Deltan Dallagnol, in which they allegedly conspired to convict Lula to prevent his candidacy for the 2018 presidential election.
There have been many movements in courts following this, and that led the supreme court to cancel the ruling against Lula, and to the indictment of Sergio Moro.
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That would be the same Supreme Court that participated and could not be prosecuted for the same corruption, the same Supreme Court that decided the election and the same Supreme Court that now decides criticism is not allowed and as you said, prosecute the prosecutors.
There is a lot of conflict of interest there.
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Legal systems feature an appeal process, and there is a single supreme court that tops it. And it can change a ruling when new evidence are presented.
Do you have a problem with that concepts? Do you have improvements to suggest?
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Yes, it's called separation of powers. The supreme court in most places is not an unimpeachable plutocracy.
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he was later proved not guilty and released. Actually the Judge that was on that case was a Bolsonaro supporter and in rage against Lula. He made decisions without any evidence that even the prosecutors were puzzled. When Bolsonaro won, that judge was promoted to Justice minister, but the new supreme court checked the case was shocked how bad that process and decisions were and scrapped all of it, clearing Lula from all accusations. That judge (Sergio Moro) now is a politician and not a judge anymore
So yes,
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I know where the payment went (Score:5, Funny)
I know who X sent the money to (Score:5, Funny)
His name is Prince Adewale Johnson of Nigeria. He sent me an email stating that he very recently came into a considerable amount of money and needed someone to cash the check on his behalf. This must be Musk's money.
If anybody wants to actually learn something ... (Score:1)
Re:If anybody wants to actually learn something .. (Score:5, Insightful)
Worry about your own country.
https://www.motherjones.com/po... [motherjones.com]
Musk has been gaslighting you for years about how the Overton window has shifted in recent years to the far left; meanwhile he has been funding Trump's campaign.
So again, you don't care about principle, it's all about who you hate. Censoring them is okay.
I love how in the article you posted where the guy trots out the whole, "The elites don't want freedom" schtick when referring to anyone but the richest guy on the planet who regularly [imgur.com] censors [washingtontimes.com] people [politico.com] on Twitter [imgur.com]. Then you go on trying to gaslight people by claiming others don't care about principles and are okay with "censoring" when there is an entire political party hellbent on censoring [www.wesa.fm] anything [kansasreflector.com] and everything [lancasteronline.com] they can get away with [kansascity.com].
Until you state unequivocally that the above censorship is wrong, you can keep on lying just like JD Vance.
Re: If anybody wants to actually learn something . (Score:1)
One party is carrying out book bans and has section 230 protections in their sights. Literally nothing is stopping you from spreading whatever bullshit you want about deworming pills, the election being stolen, the earth being flat, cat eating immigrants destroying your culture, or any other right wing ideology. I've seen your post history, don't lie, you weren't censored. There is no mechanism for the government to censor those posts.
The book banning OTOH is real, and so are the plans for 230.
https://www.t [theverge.com]
Re: If anybody wants to actually learn something (Score:3)
Not even a full day has gone by
Republicans backing Donald Trump are threatening Deloitte, a consulting firm that is one of the federal government’s largest business partners, with the loss of billions of dollars in contracts because an employee shared messages from 2020 in which JD Vance, now the GOP vice-presidential nominee, criticized the then-president’s record.On Sept. 27, Donald Trump Jr. exposed the employee’s name and photograph to millions of people on social media, writing, “Maybe it’s time for the GOP to end Deloitte’s taxpayer funded gravy train?” Others — including Vance’s chief spokesman and a Republican senator — circulated Trump Jr.’s comments, and the conservative website Breitbart published a story naming the man and highlighting his job.
- https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
Think about that a minute. He didn't leak any government or company secrets, he didn't deepfake, fake, or misrepresent anything, he shared his own Twitter DMs and the truth about what Vance thinks about his boss. That has nothing to do with him employer. Frankly, nobody should be surprised because Vance is an intelligent man by all rights, playing a reprehensible game. We know he's the magician's assistant forced to swallow dumb acts, but he
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when there is an entire political party hellbent on censoring anything and everything they can get away with
There is. It's not the one you think though.
It's definitely this one, the one that can't go 24 hours without threatening someone for telling the truth. Good look bud, really underscores your point. But it was just Don Jr, and he was jOkInG, except for all those retweets ouch.
And Vance wasn't even wrong, but you can't go after him because he's in the family now (that's how it works with you guys right?), so you have to go after the guy telling us what Vance literally said. By threatening his employer with the power of the government you hope to wield.
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We write as counsel to Floridians Protecting Freedom (the "Campaign") in response to a letter ("Letter") from the Florida Department of Health ("Department") regarding the Campaign's television advertisement entitled "Caroline" (the "Advertisement"). First, and most importantly, this Letter raises serious First Amendment concerns - indeed, it reflects an unconstitutional attempt to coerce the station into censoring protected speech. Second, the Advertisement is true - the Letter provides no evidence to the contrary. The Advertisement must continue to air on your station.
This is not simply an instance where your station has received a baseless cease-and-desist letter in the context of a heated political campaign. We are sure the station is more than familiar with such letters, and how to dispose of them. Here, the Department is threatening the station with criminal prosecution if it does not cease running the Advertisement. This is not just an unfounded request, it is unconstitutional state action. The Letter is a textbook example of government coercion that violates the First Amendment.
https://www.documentcloud.org/... [documentcloud.org]
https://floridapolitics.com/ar... [floridapolitics.com]
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For the record
https://www.miamiherald.com/ne... [miamiherald.com]
When he abruptly resigned from his post last week, the top attorney for the Florida Department of Health suggested in a resignation letter that he was uncomfortable with decisions taken by the state agency, which days earlier had threatened to prosecute television stations over political advertisements. “A man is nothing without his conscience,” John Wilson wrote in a resignation letter obtained by the Herald/Times. “It has become clear in recent days that I cannot join you on the road that lies before the agency.” His resignation came seven days after he sent cease-and-desist letters to Florida television stations that threatened to criminally prosecute them if they did not take down political advertisements in support of Amendment 4, a ballot measure that if approved on Nov. 5 would broaden access to abortion.
Sorry Elon (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re: Sorry Elon (Score:2, Insightful)
Misinformation is just an excuse for censorship.
Re: Sorry Elon (Score:2)
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So why can't you just say they are lying, you don't need a fancy word. Because lying is constitutionally protected as free speech. The only solution is more free speech, not less.
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Yes, educate them, censoring them just pushes it underground and doesn't resolve anything.
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"Send lawyers, guns and money,
The shit has hit the fan!"
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"Send lawyers, guns and money, The shit has hit the fan!"
Went home with a waitress, the way I always do. How was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
Damn, I miss Warren Zevon!
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Yeah. +1 Wistful.
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This is a foreign and sovereign nation, which has the rules and regulations you do not control.
Are you sure you want to be celebrating this quite so much? These developments are not a good thing for anyone who prefers democracy. I get that you don't like Elon Musk (for which there are many good reasons), but that's not some sort of democratic awakening that's good for the citizens of Brazil, either.
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This is a foreign and sovereign nation, which has the rules and regulations you do not control.
Are you sure you want to be celebrating this quite so much? These developments are not a good thing for anyone who prefers democracy. I get that you don't like Elon Musk (for which there are many good reasons), but that's not some sort of democratic awakening that's good for the citizens of Brazil, either.
So what is your solution - world war 3 to foce universal free speech? First thin is you need to determine if Space Karen's version of free speech is actually free speech. Wh8ile he brags about bveing an absolutist, his actions show otherwise.
The far right version of free speech is being allowed to scream out that you are allowed to say anything from lible, to outright falsehoods and perjury, but other people do not have the right to react to it. That isn't free speech at all. And WW3 to enforce the Repu
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Despite being a legend in your own ,mind, this is not the USA, where you are above the law. This is a foreign and sovereign nation, which has the rules and regulations you do not control.
Anyhow, if your daddy Trump becomes Americas' first dictator, you and he can invade Brazil, and all will be well. Now take your ketamine and relax.
Just a question - are you and your daddy using the same lawyers?
The irony is, and St Elnor is clearly not a student of history (decades past or recent Trump), dictators generally screw over the people who helped them into power, Stalin and Trotsky, Hitler and Rohm... List is endless and never ends well for the useful idiot. If Trump ever gets near power again, there will be an American night of the long knives.
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Despite being a legend in your own ,mind, this is not the USA, where you are above the law. This is a foreign and sovereign nation, which has the rules and regulations you do not control.
Anyhow, if your daddy Trump becomes Americas' first dictator, you and he can invade Brazil, and all will be well. Now take your ketamine and relax.
Just a question - are you and your daddy using the same lawyers?
The irony is, and St Elnor is clearly not a student of history (decades past or recent Trump), dictators generally screw over the people who helped them into power, Stalin and Trotsky, Hitler and Rohm... List is endless and never ends well for the useful idiot. If Trump ever gets near power again, there will be an American night of the long knives.
I would concur. There are followers that believe they can bend him to their will or even control him. Assuming that he does what he says he is going to do, they will eventually end up on the wrong side of whatever thoughts pass his mind.
Just being a dick every step of the way (Score:2, Interesting)
It's just a tantrum flung by a narcissist who is being made to do something doesn't want to do - comply with legal and reasonable laws of a country he operates in. And because Brazil had the balls to threaten his business and bottom line he eventually comes crawling back but not without shit posting about Brazil, delaying the process and trying to be a dick the whole time. It's a pity more countries don't do this. The EU and the UK for example have laws they could throw at Musk for the amount of hate and di