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Microsoft Office 2024 is Now Available For Macs and PCs (theverge.com) 73

Microsoft is releasing a new version of Office this week, designed for people that don't want to subscribe to Microsoft 365. From a report: The standalone Microsoft Office 2024 release is now available for both consumers and small businesses, and includes locked-in-time versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote, and Outlook across both Mac and PC. Office 2024 includes a lot of the updates that Microsoft has been delivering to Microsoft 365 subscribers over the past few years.

Microsoft last released a standalone version of Office in 2021, and this new Office 2024 release includes improvements to the core apps, as well as accessibility and UI changes. Office 2024 has a new default theme, with Microsoft's latest Fluent Design principles that match the visual changes to Windows 11. Microsoft has also added accessibility-focused improvements to help Office users find potential accessibility issues in documents, slideshows, workbooks, and emails.

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Microsoft Office 2024 is Now Available For Macs and PCs

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  • by lordDallan ( 685707 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @09:10AM (#64833717)
    I will buy this. I want a license and a fixed cost. Not a shitty subscription.
    • by BeepBoopBeep ( 7930446 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @09:19AM (#64833743)
      They always had a non-sub product, its just not released annually
    • by fyngyrz ( 762201 )

      I will buy this. I want a license and a fixed cost. Not a shitty subscription.

      Exactly. I have the 2021 version; happy to upgrade to the 2024 version now.

      Subscription-only applications are straight up anti-consumer fishhooks. Looking directly at you, Adobe, you assholes.

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Exactly. I have the 2021 version; happy to upgrade to the 2024 version now.

        Subscription-only applications are straight up anti-consumer fishhooks.

        Well, another way to consider it is the subscription to Office is $100/year. Office 2024 is around $300. So it's the same in the end.

        However, when you spend $300 for Office, it's for a single PC license - you can use it on one PC at any one time. The subscription for $100 lets you use it on 5 PCs at a time, so you can have it on your main PC, your kid's PC for h

      • Why do you feel the need to upgrade? I am sure 2021 will be perfectly serviceable for at least 3 more years... or more likely for the entire life of your PC.

    • nonsubscription that you can't use without linking a broken windows store account

    • I will buy this.

      I've used the 2021 edition: The copy-n-paste functions are severely crippled. (The default copy-as-a-screenshot-image, can be disabled.) The point of these stand-alone releases, is so people can 'read' XLS, DOC and PPT files created with their subscription-driven, not-crippleware products.

  • by NettiWelho ( 1147351 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @09:14AM (#64833727)
    Can I use it without a microsoft account?
    • Login requirement is why I switched to libre office. Still works fine for my needs.
      • LibreOffice is what I am currently using as well, for pretty much the same reason.
      • So you don't want the bad guys getting your docs?
      • I've been using OpenOffice, and then LibreOffice, for nearly 20 years now. The latest versions have had what I would consider 100% compatibility with Office formats for some time. They are full-featured and user friendly. I really don't know why anyone still pays for Office when LibreOffice is available. Of course, I primarily use the word processor. It's possible Office has better spreadsheets etc, but I'm not sure that's a big deal for most users.
        • The compatibility is very far from 100%, writer is better than calc but even it is far from there. Calc is missing many functions which Excel has, including some which it has had for decades, it is simply not very compatible at all.

    • If its important, did you read the article to the end?
      • And, in the end, there is the answer:

        Microsoft says Office 2024 will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection

        • by fyngyrz ( 762201 )

          Microsoft says Office 2024 will require a Microsoft account and an internet connection

          So far (referenced to the non-sub version of Office21), all that's been used for is to let you know you can downgrade to the subscription version of Office any time you like to get whatever new features / fixes you absolutely must have. You can just click the offer away and carry on. I find this to be acceptable; Microsoft's not force-picking my pocket the way Adobe would.

          It's also worth pointing out that Office21's sub-

    • by sconeu ( 64226 )

      In my experience, no. I've got 2019, and it still uses an MS account to confirm the license.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Can I use it without a microsoft account?

      I've switched to Libre Office for my personal devices as I rarely use it enough to justify the cost and it does 100% of what I need it to (mostly just quick and dirty spreadsheets for personal budgets, et al). The only hurdle I've had was having to redo the formatting on my CV, 45 mins of my life.

  • 'Nuff said.
    • That's what CoPilot is for! Instead of just Office, Clippy can annoy you throughout the entire OS. That's some vertical thinking.
      • Only now, instead of free, you can pay just $20 a month extra for the privilege of adding the "new" Clippy to Office.

  • ....underwhelmed by my apathy

  • by Ormy ( 1430821 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @09:35AM (#64833813)

    I remember looking forward to new MS office updates 20-25 years ago because they actually offered useful new features and genuine usability improvements. Going from Office 97 to Office 2003 was a big jump in quality, and similar from 2003 to 2007 (and less so 2010). But since then, apart from extended language support and accessibility improvements, what have they actually added that is meaningful? Cloud integration stuff? Don't care. AI copilot shit? Don't care. Maybe there are a bunch of features they've added recently that I just don't use, if so, I'd like to hear about them. Anyone?

    • much of computer-related software and hardware peaked already. I upgraded my 10-year old computer recently and I can barely tell anything changed.
      • by Samare ( 2779329 )

        On the hardware side:
        CPUs still improve, but more in number of cores and power efficiency than in single core performance.
        GPUs are improving very fast.
        HDDs have peaked and are being replaced by SSDs.
        SATA based SSDs have peaked in speed but not in capacity but their M.2 counterpart are still improving everywhere.
        Displays are still improving a lot with OLED screens replacing LCD ones.

        On the software side:
        Windows has peaked and is actually going downhill for power users.
        macOS has peaked.
        Linux still improves a

        • by Malay2bowman ( 10422660 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @12:15PM (#64834447)
          "Displays are still improving a lot with OLED screens replacing LCD ones." I don't really see this as an improvement unless they somehow managed to fix the burn in issue. And I can barely tell the difference between an OLED and a high quality LCD anyway.
          • by Samare ( 2779329 )

            With LCD screens, you have to compromise between viewing angles, colors and deep blacks.
            You can work around the burn in issue by using a dark theme, which will look much better on an OLED screen.

            • On a large screen TV viewing angles are an issue and this iis a problem that OLED solves. But usually with a typical standard sized computer monitor, there is one person looking at the screen head on so the viewing angle isn't really an issue. Unlike how a TV is typically used, there are static elements on the screen which may remain unchanged for hours on end, day after day, and this becomes a real problem with burn in. I just want there to be a choice, and I don't want every laptop manufactuer to "go OLED
          • by BigZee ( 769371 )
            I have an OLED TV. It's got some burn in issues (it's 9 years old) but I still think it is pretty good. I would likely get another OLED TV. However, I have learnt that there is content that I would use with it and content I would not. For example, the top left hand corner has hearts from BOTW burnt in. Fortunately they're only visible occasionally. Similarly I have a couple of youtube buttons that can be seen under the right circumstances. If I were to get a new OLED TV (and I probably will), it will not ge
          • by Ormy ( 1430821 )
            Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant "what has actually improved within MS office to necessitate a new release?"
        • Most of these are not meaningful improvements. You used to upgrade because MS Word ran like dogshit. Now you can do word processing on any computer from 2010 onwards. If you use something like Latex or Typst, you can do it on a computer from 1990 even. Once most major programs ran decently quickly on hardware, the only reason you upgrade is if you really want to do something like gaming or AI. Checking emails and writing documents and doing some spreedsheet work peaked and don't require you upgrade to anyth
    • by necro81 ( 917438 )
      It probably doesn't have enough new features to justify an upgrade. But it's still useful as a new purchase.

      In my case, I replaced my Apple laptop six months ago. In the process, my ancient (early 2000s) copy of Office stopped working (new OS + Apple silicon = broken by deprecation). I've been getting by using Libre Office, but a genuine copy of Office would be worth $150 to me. I specifically held off getting the 2021 standalone copy, because I knew this update was coming down the pike.
    • Why dont you read the article and educate yourself vs asking the internet random questions
    • by Njovich ( 553857 )

      Why would they improve anything? They got 95% of companies to pay for a subscription without changing anything. This is the real annoying thing of these subscription services. They don't have to convince anyone to upgrade anymore.

    • I remember looking forward to new MS office updates 20-25 years ago because they actually offered useful new features and genuine usability improvements. Going from Office 97 to Office 2003 was a big jump in quality, and similar from 2003 to 2007 (and less so 2010).

      2010 was the last version I really liked, and its biggest improvement was the ability to use multiple Exchange mailboxes in a single profile (prior versions required separate profiles, or that secondary mailboxes were set up by IMAP).

      Since then, there's been a good amount of Onedrive integration (I hate it, but it's helpful for sending large attachments [Google does the same thing with GDrive]), the ability to open and edit PDFs in Word has gotten to a "good enough" level (not a replacement for Acrobat, but

      • by Ormy ( 1430821 )
        I didn't know about the PDF stuff, that might actually be of occasional use to me, thanks for that.
    • In a word, sharing and multi-user features.

      The new stuff is all about collaborating on documents. A document can be shared and edited simultaneously by multiple people. They can have comment threads within the document.

      If you don't want that kind of sharing, you probably don't need the upgrades.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      No. Starting in 2016 they've been deprecating (or outright removing) standard Excel functions and rolling out new (and incompatible) versions. It's had the intended effect - my bosses ordered us switched over to Office 365 so that they wouldn't have to deal with error messages when they receive spreadsheets using the SUMIF function instead of the old nested method.
    • Cloud integration stuff? Don't care.

      You may not care, but the reality is Office is a groupware software. Once the basics of being able to type word documents, create spreadsheets, and read email was done, what is left? There's nothing more you need that can't be met by the Office 2010 if you work by yourself.

      Most Office users don't work by themselves. You may not see value in cloud integration stuff, but it is objectively valuable in corporations. The ability to parallel edit, control reviewer comments, get notification of modifications, sync

      • >> For me at home I couldn't give a flying **** about the cloud. For me at work, I can't imaging going back to working without it.

        Giddy-yup. Me in a nutshell.

        At work: my productivity would dip without the complete O365 suite â" along with OneDrive integration.
        At home? I de-Officed my machine earlier this year and started using LibreOffice and Thunderbird.

        Do I miss Office? Yeah, sometimes.
        It's not the cost that I resented as much as Microsoft relentlessly trying to increase their ad revenue at the

    • by PsychoSlashDot ( 207849 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @04:37PM (#64835405)

      Anyone?

      I use Word 2003 on my personal devices and I've got M365 Apps for Enterprise at the office, so it's not like I don't know and use the current product.

      There has not been a single time since I started using 2003 that I've encountered a "if only I had X, Y, or Z" situation.

      Yes, yes, 2007 let you use more than 16 colours, and bigger spreadsheets. But it also came with the ribbon bar, chewing up screen space in place of menu shortcuts I already knew. Yes, yes, the latest version has direct OneDrive and Sharepoint in the File|Open dialogues but... the older version doesn't, meaning saving to whatever network drive or USB drive or local folder I want is easier plus it'll use the ODFB client if I really need cloud.

      Basically Office has been feature-complete for at least two decades and everything since has been things like "we changed the Outlook icon from orange so it was obvious to blue like Word because... otherwise we'd have to fire our UI designer and he's the boss's cousin so..."

      I'm not saying there's nothing in newer versions that someone wants, but there's very little that anyone needs.

      • by Ormy ( 1430821 )

        Basically Office has been feature-complete for at least two decades and everything since has been things like "we changed the Outlook icon from orange so it was obvious to blue like Word because... otherwise we'd have to fire our UI designer and he's the boss's cousin so..." I'm not saying there's nothing in newer versions that someone wants, but there's very little that anyone needs.

        As I suspected, I just thought I'd ask before I declared it as fact.

    • I still use this old version in my updated 64-bit W10 Pro PC. I hope I can keep using in the future versions. I don't use advanced features in Word and Excel. I also have updated LibreOffice as a back up.

  • by BenFenner ( 981342 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @10:09AM (#64833947)
    The headline implies Macs are not PCs. Macs are PCs.
    • The headline implies Macs are not PCs. Macs are PCs.

      Not in common parlance.

    • The headline implies Macs are not PCs. Macs are PCs.

      You are technically correct! The best kind of correct.

    • Apple would like you not to think that way about their product.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

    • Apple disagrees. They ran entire marketing campaigns to that effect.

    • by jonadab ( 583620 )
      I suppose that depends which definition of "PC" you want to use. Maybe you're using "PC" as a synonym for microcomputer? Macs are microcomputers, but basically *all* computers these days are microcomputers, so that's not really a useful classification any more. For a while it was common to use "PC" to mean the x86 architecture, but I haven't seen that usage any time recently, and also, Macs were x86 for a while, but I don't think that's really true (of current models) any longer. I don't think many rece
      • I'm using the definition of PC (Personal Computer) as it was coined, and the only version that ever made any logical sense.

        A personal computer is a computer that is two things:

        1) Small and inexpensive enough for a typical person to personally own and comfortably place in their home. This of course includes microcomputers, but also smaller devices like game consoles, telephones, etc.

        2) Runs a general-purpose operating system. Examples are MS Windows, GNU/Linux, MacOS, BeOS, TempleOS, etc.

        Most game co
    • The headline implies Macs are not PCs. Macs are PCs.

      In that case the headline implies that Microsoft office 2024 is now available for Linux...

    • And also it doesn't run on all PCs, just Windows PCs. I'd argue that Macs aren't PCs anymore since they're back on ARM :)

  • I still have 2019 and it works great. They have not yet provided a compelling incentive to upgrade. And with a fixed license I don't have to. At least until 2019 no longer works with newer OS's.

    Subscription models are great for a company, terrible for a consumer. The opposite is true as well for fixed price versions. We were lucky in that before the advent of e-commerce, subscriptions were not frictionless for either party. The only time you'd find that kind of licensing was for very high end spe

    • I still have 2019 and it works great. They have not yet provided a compelling incentive to upgrade.

      The reason to upgrade is the most insidious: Once 2019 reaches end-of-life, it won't be able to access e-mails on Office365 accounts. Certainly, this won't affect existing users or the ability to edit Word documents or Excel sheets, but that's the big push (and I wouldn't be surprised if Onedrive integration breaks around that time, also).

  • Now Mac users can experience the hate and frustration that comes from using Word, Excel, Powerpoint, etc etc etc.

    The subscription should include a free bottle of Xanax and coupons for unlimited tequila.

    • by jonadab ( 583620 )
      Eh, Word and Excel were ok the last time I used them on a regular basis.

      Granted, they were running on Windows For Workgroups at the time, so this was several versions ago. (I switched to StarOffice before Sun bought and renamed it, and have stuck with OOo to this day, because I like it.)
  • by nuckfuts ( 690967 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @11:16AM (#64834183)
    There was a time when having an activation key for Office was sufficient to permanently activate the software. Now you must register with a Microsoft account in order to use your key.
  • by wernst ( 536414 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @11:48AM (#64834321) Homepage

    What I posted a year and a half ago AND three years ago still stands today... (copy-pasta follows)

    Potentially Unpopular Opinion: the Microsoft 365 Family Annual Subscription plan is a fantastic deal if you have a lot of family members, and devices, and could use a huge amount of online storage/backup/file syncing.

    For $100 a year, here's what your Office 365 license gets you:

    - Full use of the installable versions of Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, Publisher, and Access, plus OneNote (although OneNote is now free for anyone to use, it integrates with the rest of Office 365).
    - These installations work on ALL your devices: Windows PCs, Macintoshes, Android devices (phone/tablets/ChromeOS), iPhones, iPads. So in my case, I have Office installed on my Windows desktop, my laptop, my *other* desktop, my MacBook, my Android phone, my Android tablet, and my Chromebook. All for one license.
    - One TB (!) of online storage (or backup) on Microsoft OneDrive for your documents, music, photos, or whatever, using a Dropbox-like syncing tool that works across devices if you like, so I can access all my files and photos across all my devices all the time from anywhere, or just use it as an off-site backup. Acronis charges about this much for 1TB of online storage just by itself. Carbonite is like $80 a year. iDrive is like $70 a year. If you were going to use an online backup tool for lots of stuff, then you might as well do Office 365 - it's like paying for the online storage you were looking for, and getting all the Office applications for free.
    - Full access to the online versions of MS Office. So if I'm at someone else's PC or at a business center in a hotel, or using the PWA version on my Chromebook, or need to do some office work on my Linux box, I can open up (a semi-reduced feature version of) Word or Excel in a web browser, and if I'm using OneDrive (and I am), I can access all my files from that browser too.
    - And then I can have 5 family members do all this too, all on the same license, because that $100 a year is for the whole family! So my wife each gets all these apps on all her devices, and she gets 1TB of device-syncing OneDrive storage too. So does my kid. So does my Mom. So does my Father in Law. So each person is getting all this stuff, including 1TB of online storage EACH, for about $20 a year.

    Now don't get me wrong, I've used and recommended LibreOffice for years too, and I fully respect its capabilities, but Microsoft's pricing model for Office reminds me of Netflix vs. Torrents for movies: yes, Torrents are free, but Netflix is so much quality content for so little money, if you can swing a few bucks a month, it's worth it. So is Office 365.

    Yes, yes, Hail Corporate.

    (Ninja 2024 edit: now you also get a lot of extra online content and apps for your license too. Other than product names, everything I wrote 3 years ago still applies. If you have 6 friends who need Office and a TB of online storage, each of you chip in $18 a year and stop worrying about licenses.)

    • THIS is why I subscribed. I started out looking for a cloud backup solution, considering software such as CrashPlan, and found that Microsoft's OneDrive was more generous for the price, and threw in Office too.

    • The sub is the way to go as you mentioned. This one off BS is locked to an OS, where as the sub you can use it on as many devices as you want. If you have Office 365 at work, you get addicted to how well this eco-system of productivity is.
    • you are right, I have this specifically for the family feature, it is well worth it as you lay out here. Far better than trying to assist them in using Libre Office and a suite of other tools.
    • It's a fantastic deal if your have a real need for Word/Excel/PowerPoint at home or if all you need is raw online storage. But in my experience, real-life use of online storage is for the tons of photos and videos we take each day with our smartphones, and OneDrive is a really subpar alternative to Google Photos and Apple Photos. Documents and emails only use a small portion of my online storage quota.
    • ... some office work on my Linux box, I can open up (a semi-reduced feature version of) Word or Excel in a web browser...

      Wait, Linux isn't fully supported? Ooh noooh, it's still not the year of the Linux desktop.... :'-(

  • What is it with people here ? People happy with this new M/S Office, even when it requires a Microsoft Login and Internet access. That requirements is the #1 reason not to use Microsoft Office.

    Libreoffice is just as good, you may have to learn new ways of doing the same thing, but so what. Even a typewriter and an adding machine is better than Office with what I can only deem is loaded with spyware.

    Why else do you need an ID and an Internet connection to use it ? Do not say piracy, that is really BS. M

  • by ndykman ( 659315 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @10:37PM (#64836079)

    I know they said they would release non-subscription versions every three years, but I honestly thought this would be a enterprise only thing. Guess somebody at MS still remembers this is a good revenue stream to maintain.

    Goodness knows some Adobe people would be thrilled to have the option, that's for sure.

  • I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind being excited about this. How people prefer Microsoft's archaic lipstick-on-a-pig (that's still pretty poorly applied) is beyond me. Give me Google Docs, Sheets, Slides, Gmail, etc over Microsoft's crap any day of the year.

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