Microsoft Planning to Buy Open Source Companies? 276
mjasay writes "At the Web 2.0 Summit, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer admitted that Microsoft 'will do some buying of companies that are built around open-source products,' suggesting that to avoid open-source companies would 'take us out of the acquisition market quite dramatically.' Ballmer has apparently come a long way since dubbing Linux a 'cancer.' The real question, however, is which open-source companies make sense within the Microsoft product portfolio, both from a technology and philosophy perspective. Novell? 37Signals? Jive? SugarCRM? And, equally importantly, which companies could look their communities in the eye after selling to Microsoft?"
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GPLv3 (Score:2)
Any that have tech they want, but are at risk of moving to GPLv3, I'd say.
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Any that have tech they want, but are at risk of moving to GPLv3, I'd say.
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Also note that this isn't really a "threat" to the community because large-scale OSS projects have copyrights owned by a myriad of people, so they really can't be sold. It only applies to companies that develop completely in-house, or require contributors to sign-away their copyrights.
Related note: I work for a company that uses SugarCRM internally, and has modified it (very slightly) for our purposes. SugarCRM would become useless if we didn't have the source.
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* Version XXX has probably fixed the problem, but the boss doesn't want to pay to ugprade past ver 8.02, so my gripe stays. In addition, I'm the one that's told to support it, but I can't suggest an alternative, th
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Agreed. Business is business. Just because M$ owns an OS based company doesn't make the code closed.
The bigger issue is if M$ ends up buying all the cards in the game, and starts to sprinkle proprietary code into the OS code what happens to the OS code then?
Re:Through Money tinted glasses (Score:5, Insightful)
Novel's market cap: $2B
Red Hat's market cap: $4B
Microsoft's market cap: $292B
Microsoft could easily buy the two largest open-source companies on the planet without denting their reserves. If Microsoft ever suspects Linux is a significant threat, they'll just buy out the largest players. Let's face it... that's how #1 companies remain #1.
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Only problem with your theory is that Microsoft is a convicted monopolist. There would be an amazing number of regulatory hurdles it would have to jump through even to think about buying a company that makes a competing OS.
You're right. Cuz remember when they were under trial for abuse of monopoly powers and they were let off the hook after Bush took office? It would work just as effectively as that. Enforcement of monopoly ruling against Microsoft will be just like the war on drugs and the war on terror, we don't have either of those now!
You're only thinking desktop. (Score:2)
Huh? Sure they do. Just not in the desktop OS market. They are definitely competitors in the server OS market. Microsoft Windows Server vs RHEL; they're probably the two dominant platforms in commercial server deployments.
Re:Through Money tinted glasses (Score:4, Funny)
Microsoft could easily buy the two largest open-source companies on the planet without denting their reserves. If Microsoft ever suspects Linux is a significant threat, they'll just buy out the largest players. Let's face it... that's how #1^H^Hmonopolies companies remain #1^H^Hmonopolies.
FTFY.
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False. Completely false, but often misconstrued as the truth wrt public companies.
The truth is that companies must adhere to their mission statements or they face the possibility of a civil tort.
Yes, most mission statements include maximization of profit or somesuch, but it's mistaken (very mistaken) to believe that public companies can only take actions that are intended to maximiz
Ah - c'mon (Score:2)
Go away.
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That is the incredible power of OSS. you cant make it go away, you cant take it from the people.
Even if you make it illegal, it's still there thriving..... DECSS anyone?
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Luckily, what will happen if MS buys RH and starts forcing people to pay for their patents is that they will discover US patent law extends very little beyond its borders.
As I said before, it's sad the US tech industry will suffer, but IT companies can always move to other countries. A lot of them would be very happy to harbor the next Google if the US ends up being a hostile environment for new developments.
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One word: SysInternals.
/. Borg icon is right on the money...
They were open source, and they sold up to MS. Now their code is being slowly neutered. In another year or two their really useful utilities (FileMon, RegMon, et al) will either be history or blind to accesses to 'sensitive' information.
The
First of all they were never truly open source. They released the source code to their command line apps, but not the cool gui ones. Thats not to say the source code wasn't useful, but it was more of a learning tool than anything, and they were not fostering community development. Their apps continue to improve I'm not a full time windows admin so I haven't noticed any reduced functionality. Feel free to point out specific examples.
What we lost from sysinternals getting acquired was we no longer have an
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Microsoft SuSE? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Microsoft SuSE? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Novell wasn't doing so well prior to the MS tie up. So a 250% jump doesn't mean much. Once more corporates realise their portfolio is built on top of FUD, rather than Value; they will struggle to keep up the same turnover.
And then, Microsoft will simply ditch them and buy up another promising Open Source co. to kill off.
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Does not compute. Neither financially, nor strategically.
Whatever people say about MSFT it actually has a very good M&A group. If we discount one stupid affair in France it has a nearly spotless record. It has to be in a company that does not innovate and buys most of its "innovation". I do not quite see this M&A finding a sound reason to buy Novell. It is a huge can of anticompetition worms which once opened will crawl all over the place, not particularly enticing financials along with a num
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loyality (Score:3, Insightful)
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If anyone would have a go at it, it would have to be Microsoft. Their legal dept has deep pockets.
Bet You Can (Score:2, Insightful)
If I were a deep-pockets-legal-department-with-gold-plated-business-cards type of company, I'd try it.
I'd be willing to bet that a judge will look at it and say, "Well this part is GPL'd, but you own it, so you can still enforce your GPL rights. This part is not, and because the project is yours, you can do with
Clippy (Score:4, Funny)
Would you like help?
* Crush the life and soul out of the idea and shelve it.
* Use your new acquisition's IP to bludgeon the competition.
* Add bloatware to Vista.
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Well, sure, most probably: it's what Microsoft Does(tm). However, it won't change anything for versions previously released under real open-source licenses. It's called a "fork".
However, will users follow microsoft's versions, or the free forked versions? That's the interesting question that only time will tell.
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Re:loyality - doesn't matter (Score:5, Insightful)
And I have to wonder how anybody on
And the sad thing is that Steve Balmer was the one saying this yet nobody in half the posts mentioned them just terminating the project. WTF?
LoB
Be realistic.. (Score:2, Funny)
Methinks the founders will be too busy cruising around on their shiny new megayachts to worry about such things.. and why not?
Re:Be realistic.. (Score:4, Funny)
Because everyone knows that submarines are the new megayacht.
If you can't beat 'em, buy 'em. (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft aren't bothered about small projects which don't attract much attention. Nor are they particularly bothered about large projects, provided there isn't any serious commercial backing to them.
They're bothered about commercially backed projects where there is the potential to offer significant competition. Their spouting about how "you won't get any real support" (which is probably about their only reasonably sensible piece of FUD) only works when there aren't many commercially backed solutions based on open source software. If I worked for someone like KnowledgeTree or SugarCRM right now I'd be slightly nervous.
Forking won't solve the developer problem (Score:2)
If MS buys SAMBA, for example, yes, we could fork off the SAM
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That's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. In many fields, there aren't a great many open source projects which are making any significant inroads, for whatever reason, and despite being open source the only people doing any significant work on the projects which are any good are employed by the organisation behind the project.
Stumbling block (Score:2, Funny)
Ballmer hasn't changed, buying companies to EOL (Score:4, Insightful)
Probably buy and extinguish. (Score:3, Informative)
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Hey, the Borg Gates image fits! (Score:4, Insightful)
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This could be funny... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Wait, wait, wait... (Score:3, Interesting)
Microsoft may be many things, but stupid is not one of them. I would bet substaintal sums of money that the staff will have signed non-competes keeping them from working on any non-MS fork (and maybe any other OSS as well). Actually, umpteen gazillion dollars may not be a bad price to take out the various project leaders. Let us be honest, without good managment familiar with the source, large-scale OSS projects are impossible. And a rapid decapitation may take years to recover from.
Unintended Consequences (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, people might now start investing in open source projects in the hope of getting a slice of that MS cash a few years down the line. This looks like a Good Thing.
Aaaaaaand, we developers will be dropping (Score:4, Insightful)
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Many (most?) commercial open source products don't have many community contributors at all. Sure, some do, but Microsoft could easily target the ones that are developed mostly internally for their buyouts.
After patent trolls (Score:5, Insightful)
1. fork the most recent open release of a recently MS bought out OSS project.
2. improve and offer support for it.
3. Now MS either has to improve its own branch or buy you out too (which is the 3b. Profit!!! part)
I mean, seriously, isn't Microsoft going to prove money can be made with OSS?
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I think it is a hilarious show to watch. All that desperation (and chair tossing).
surely this is a non starter,,, (Score:2)
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The on to get! (Score:2)
37Signals! (Score:2)
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It'll be a cold day in hell before they sell that company to MS.
Hahaha.... (Score:2)
Hahahaha... hahahaha.. Jesus, you can't make this stuff up. Thanks, Slashdot!
No..., Microsoft isn't after SugarCRM, a PHP CRM system.
It's not after Novell either, since this would undermine their Windows brand. You probably understand that suddenly starting to sell another OS while Vista is having some harsh time won't be great for Microsoft's business. Partnering with Novell the way it is right now is the perfect solution for at least 5 years ahead.
Expect the OSS companies to produce products tha
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Well the most innovated companies won't be bought (Score:2)
Lispire (Score:2)
My money's on Linspire as the acquisition target.
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I think taking on a Linux distro would be too big a can'o'worms for Microsoft - far too many copyright holders to allow a closed-source fork, probably including some GPLv3 components in the mix. I think even GPLv2 goes far enough to undermine the IP FUD argument if MS actually became the "owner" of an active Linux distro.
I'd look to the more self-contained, FOSS products that have been substantially developed by a single
New MS Slogan... (Score:3, Insightful)
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Microsoft Lawyers (Score:2)
Before anybody tells me that the law is on the side of OSS, consider how long the SCO case took. What if MS doesn't play to win but to not lose, allowing them to delay and cripple projects until they give up?
Great American Streetcar Scandal; 1936-50 (Score:4, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy [wikipedia.org]
Vivendi Universal bought-up mp3.com and bulldozed it, Microsoft bought-up RAV AntiVirus and buried it. Now, M$ will probably do the same with these others; buy-up the businesses and turn them into parking lots.
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Only one entity can control mp3.com. Very few people have/had the source code to RAV AntiVirus. There is no parking lot.
Microsoft can try to assimilate open-source projects and incorporate it into their culture, but they can't harm it by swatting at it any more than I can destroy a bee colony with a sword.
Fun with quotes (Score:2, Funny)
Steve Ballmer has got to go... (Score:2)
He keeps going on these rants, throwing chairs around, etc. Why would Microsoft buy 20-100 companies. There is really no benefit to doing so. I've really felt M$ has been on a bad path. I had hopes Vista would change that...but obviously th
Trust (Score:2)
I know I'd stop any business relations with any OSS company bought by MS. For the simple reason of trust. MS has proven time and time again that they are a dirty company playing dirty tricks and not stopping at screwing over their business partners.
When you buy OSS, you have two reasons. One is it could simply be the best product of its kind around. The other is that you trust the OSS project to not play bait-and-switch, let's-not-renew-your-license, look-at-that-smallprint,
They've done it before (Score:2)
Let's review Microsoft's MO (Score:2)
2. Slap the Microsoft name on the whiz-bang technology they just bought, claim it as their product of "innovation".
3. Publish a press release that the the software company will be offering better "Windows compatibility" on all platforms to "build a better community".
4. Once the added Windows APIs have been debugged, (after a few months) start dropping all other non-windows OS support due to "customer demand"
5. Profit
They did this before (Corel, Wordperfect) (Score:2)
I thought you might.
I still miss "reveal codes" :-(
Buying "Web 2.0" companies (Score:2)
I was worried, until I heard that Monkey-boy wants to buy Web 2.0 companies.
Gotta go, I need to get the business plan for my new start-up, pimentoloaf.com, into shape for the VCs..
Speaking of cancer... (Score:2)
Most likely OSS companies with patents (Score:3, Interesting)
Beginning the move to the next stage (Score:2)
thank you Microsoft! (Score:4, Interesting)
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Would it change a thing? A bit. L
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(The whole HIRD/HURD thing's a great project, but the thing I love most about it are the co-recursive acronyms. Infinitely more fun than normal recursive acronyms)
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The beauty is in imagining how much of the money they pay for such companies will get funneled back into FOSS projects. It could represent an impressive boost mainly because projects and companies cooperate between them, something MS is unable to do.
Their best shot is to try to own as much intellectual property as possible and that will only take them as far as US-like soft
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Re:Balmer should be more careful about his threats (Score:2)
Gerry
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This - to me - speaks more of people like Linksys, some of the CRMs (as suggested) or perhaps even TiVO . That is companies that use Open Source software in their products rather than those that specifically and only produce Open Source software.
Or a whole lot of OSS projects (Score:2)
Rather than just go for a single project why not buy Sourceforge? Move all the projects to a new revision control system based on
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Just wondering... what metric for success are you using?